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MMW - March 18, 2017 - Transcending Ego

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DianeHB

I wholeheartedly recommend the judicious use of psychedelics, if one has access to the drugs and a trusted guide. I have blogs posted on a couple of the experiences I've had over the last few years. I used the psychedelic method naturally -- My trusted guides were Tex during the experiences and Michael, who helped me understand them and the work I had to do to get there on my own. I would go many months to a year before I felt like/had the chance to do the drugs again.

 

I think the advantage to using psychedelics is that you get to experience what's possible beyond who you currently are. I would suddenly realize I was capable of being something much better (in my opinion) than who I was on a regular basis, and I wanted to be there more or less permanently. I can see how without external guidance, it's easy to think that state is only accessible with the drug. With meditation only, it would've been easier for me to give up because I couldn't see where I was going or wouldn't think it was possible for me to get there, or I was just fine where I was. Every time I did psychedelics (a total of 5 times over the last 3-4 years), I would have a breakthrough, whether big or small. My MDMA experience from last year had a huge impact -- I was so inspired by the loving person I could be on MDMA that I wanted to do whatever it took to get there. I observed how I habitually pushed people away through silent judgments, and I made an effort to stop doing that. I did MDMA again a few months after that, and I felt more loving on the drug but not that drastically different -- because I had changed and moved closer to that state. I feel like I'm even closer now, after the most recent breakthrough and having worked through my emotional ups and downs while unemployed.

 

Could I have gotten there without drugs? Probably, because personal growth is a passion for me anyway (I use Growth the get out of Inertia - enthusiastically), but I think being able to experience where I was going and being inspired by it accelerated the process.

 

One thing to note on psychedelics is that I only ever did it with someone very close to me who was capable of seeing all of me, not by myself and not at parties, etc. So my experiences were integral to having someone like that with me. Not sure what you could do if you had to do it by yourself. I imagine it'd be really helpful to do it with the support of a therapist, as well.

 

http://our.truthloveenergy.com/blogs/entry/697-my-first-lsd-trip-with-michaels-comments/

http://our.truthloveenergy.com/blogs/entry/1032-mdma-experience-and-false-personality/

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1 hour ago, Bobby said:

MEntity: It may not change your life, but it can change how you create and choose your way through life.

 

 

By the way, this quote is accurate but a total understatement. Changing how you create and choose your way through life does change your life, less so in the short term, but significantly over the longer term. If you hadn't seen me for ten years, you wouldn't recognize me now compared to who I was then. 

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Matt

This is just my opinion for me, but I say no to drugs.  My personal experience with drugs my whole life is my reason for the bias, as I have witnessed the destruction they can do. I'm really no fan of escaping anything either. I figure if it's meant to happen for me, it's going to happen sober. I understand others choosing to try it, and am not judging those who do, but my life experience up to this point has made me 100% against any drug used to get high or escape.  I do however like meditation very much, so I'll go with that one. 

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27 minutes ago, Matt said:

This is just my opinion for me, but I say no to drugs.  My personal experience with drugs my whole life is my reason for the bias, as I have witnessed the destruction they can do. I'm really no fan of escaping anything either. I figure if it's meant to happen for me, it's going to happen sober. I understand others choosing to try it, and am not judging those who do, but my life experience up to this point has made me 100% against any drug used to get high or escape.  I do however like meditation very much, so I'll go with that one. 

 

I would not recommend it to those prone to Addiction, but for those who aren't, it can be an effective tool. People can use food and behaviors to escape, too. Addiction is more a result of early trauma and emotional neglect than it is about drugs. 

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BrianW

Wow this is a powerful workshop. Maureen, that was a beautiful addition to the workshop, it definitely opens up new areas for us to learn and explore. Diane, congrats on nearly transcending :)

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Maureen

Thanks for the reminder @BrianW.  For those wanting more information on the 4 other Chief Feature realms, beyond the 3 that we primarily work with, here is a link to my blog. Chief Feature Exploration and 4 Other Realms. I would love to study/explore this more with Michael and with other students. Perhaps we could do a Michael Speaks or a workshop (MMW) on these 4 other CF realms to see how they show up in our lives and what we can do to transform or transcend them.

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Stickyflames

Dance party at the gathering now changed to mushroom party?

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" we are here now, Maureen please divvy up the molly....we are about to get...tra....nnzzz..eee...NnN..DENTAL......"

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9 minutes ago, Stickyflames said:

" we are here now, Maureen please divvy up the molly....we are about to get...tra....nnzzz..eee...NnN..DENTAL......"

 

Matt is never gonna show up at the gathering now. ?

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5 hours ago, Matt said:

This is just my opinion for me, but I say no to drugs.  My personal experience with drugs my whole life is my reason for the bias, as I have witnessed the destruction they can do. I'm really no fan of escaping anything either. I figure if it's meant to happen for me, it's going to happen sober. I understand others choosing to try it, and am not judging those who do, but my life experience up to this point has made me 100% against any drug used to get high or escape.  I do however like meditation very much, so I'll go with that one. 

Matt, I have always been such a prude where drugs are concerned. My prudishness towards drugs mostly comes from hearing countless confessions from people who " cured their anxiety" , " became one with life" ...but seem to be a complete mess when they are not on drugs and seem to believe the drug itself was in fact the answer to getting into that state and is the ONLY answer to getting to that state. As time has passed, I have been lucky to run into another spectrum of humans who did not speak about drugs as " the path" but instead as an experience, a guidance. Assistance on the real path. There is a lot more that goes into addiction than drugs alone. A lot more. I would not recommend drugs to anyone who does not have a great support system of stable others. Especially someone who suffers from depression on a regular basis, who does not have a sense of self beyond that depression. I have dabbled a couple times with mdma, mushrooms, acid, and even meth in one of my more foolish moments of life. I loved walking around and confidently talking to others , bouncin back and fourth between conversations and genuinely being interested in what others had to say to me. I loved the affection I felt for others. These were valid experiences. Michael seems to be reffering to drugs that are not harmful to us though. Shrooms being a good example...which has no disastrous fallbacks unless used as escapism. I think drugs can be a beautiful tool for those who really do not have an idea of what is possible for them without fear always on the backburner. For myself, I am not too curious about exploring them much further. I have my vision of what is possible for me. I aim towards that as best I can. I also fail towards that as best as I can. If one is truly lacking in vision in that department, then go for it...chomp those shroomies.

 

reading this transcript reminded me of those couple of stroke victims I read about who experienced complete loss of their " ego" after losing functioning in that part of the brain. It made me wonder if some future sci fi scenario could occur where we just simply " quieted the ego" via some implant. These stroke victims also could not function at all during their days because they needed that part of their brain for planning, defining their life and communicating....so....it may be a nice episode of black mirror atleast.

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Matt

It's about more than addiction for me. I could use with no issue I believe. I feel like the sober me is the real me in the physical plane. The very idea that drugs make you into something different, is the main reason I'm against it. I have no doubt the experiences could be and are great for some people, but it's important to me to stay myself and figure out life sober. I don't even drink alcohol, so I know I'm a minority with this stuff. I'm an odd duck. Thinking on this now though, maybee it's the fact that i joined the military at 17 and became a firefighter at 21 is the reason i never got interested in any drugs too.  I have been getting drug tested since i was 17 years old, so i never really had a chance to rebel or be crazy in my life, or experiment with that kind of stuff.  Either way, i have no doubt that it could be a great time trying some mind altering stuff, but i plan on just hearing about it second hand for this lifetime.  

Diane, that was funny about the gathering. Too bad narcan doesn't work for mushrooms, I could have brought that, LoL. 

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DianeHB

We actually thought about bringing MDMA to the last gathering -- it seemed like a good idea while we were on it. ? But when I had some adverse physical effects (headaches and nausea for hours, likely from high blood pressure) and the recovery period was a week long, it was obvious that we couldn't take that chance with other people. I've had the worst time recovering from MDMA. Acid and mushrooms were benign in comparison (mushrooms being the easiest to recover from).

 

I was thinking that as a method to transcending ego, psychedelics has much more ups and downs than meditation, even though it can be an accelerated path. It requires more navigation and management.  I realized that that's actually why it appeals to me because I prefer psychological/internal adventures to adventures in the physical world. Travel and physical challenges don't do much for me, but I love overcoming internal obstacles. A psychedelic experience is like traveling through the Astral or the mind -- they even call it a trip. Meditation is the slow and steady path, and it bores me. ?

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Janet

Well, I'm going to chime in with a plug for meditation, perhaps because it's something I've only recently been able to do. The Monroe Institute course I took taught a methodology for first going into a state of mind awake/body asleep (or body very relaxed -- they call it Focus 10) and then counting up to a meditative state (they call it Focus 12, a state for accessing your higher self).

 

I found Focus 10 familiar and realized I use it quite a lot spontaneously when focusing on a project, but now I have a mechanism for getting there when desired. After several introductory guided sessions into Focus 10, we were able to set a shortcut -- just breathe in and think 10 and then exhale. It works once you know what the state feels like for you. 

 

When I have trouble going to sleep, I now count up to Focus 10 with attention to relaxing different parts of my body. Even if I'm still awake after the count, I'm very relaxed and it doesn't matter if I sleep or not -- but I'm usually asleep before long. 

 

The meditative state (Focus 12) was new to me, and I found it incredibly enjoyable. If this state is helpful to Ego, then I'm all for trying it more frequently now. I do find that the Monroe Institute hemi-sync recordings (which use binaural beats) are useful for maintaining this state. 

 

I wonder if inputs make a difference as far as which path you might choose. As an Artisan I have brain activity nearly 24/7 from all those inputs, so achieving the quiet of the Focus levels may be just what I need to regroup and be refreshed. 

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AnnH

My late brother did very careful LSD therapy with a person who had studied with the originators of it. I noticed a considerable change in him over the years. He did a number of other modalities as well.

I'd let you and Tex guide me on LSD.

I'm sorry I had to bow out of the Workshop yesterday. I was so exhausted I kept falling asleep and slept most of the day.

 

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Troy posted this Q&A with Yuval Noah Harari on Facebook, and while reading it I was struck by how clear and conscious his thinking was, and how many of his ideas are similar to Michael's. He says he meditates daily, and I read elsewhere that he goes on a 2-month meditation retreat every year. I suspect that he has transcended his ego or is close to it. 

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2017/mar/19/yuval-harari-sapiens-readers-questions-lucy-prebble-arianna-huffington-future-of-humanity

 

@AnnH Tex's brother-in-law through his first wife did LSD with Timothy Leary when he was young. Although it wasn't careful at all as he took a mega-dose and was in and out of reality for two years. ?

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7 hours ago, DianeHB said:

We actually thought about bringing MDMA to the last gathering -- it seemed like a good idea while we were on it. 1f612.png But when I had some adverse physical effects (headaches and nausea for hours, likely from high blood pressure) and the recovery period was a week long, it was obvious that we couldn't take that chance with other people. I've had the worst time recovering from MDMA. Acid and mushrooms were benign in comparison (mushrooms being the easiest to recover from).

 

I was thinking that as a method to transcending ego, psychedelics has much more ups and downs than meditation, even though it can be an accelerated path. It requires more navigation and management.  I realized that that's actually why it appeals to me because I prefer psychological/internal adventures to adventures in the physical world. Travel and physical challenges don't do much for me, but I love overcoming internal obstacles. A psychedelic experience is like traveling through the Astral or the mind -- they even call it a trip. Meditation is the slow and steady path, and it bores me. 1f61b.png

That is very interesting Diane. That is the one reason drugs are not appealing to me! I feel as if psychedlic journeys never do anything for me afterwards. I feel far too jaded to the weird. I accept those dimensions far easier than I accept this hard slloooow slog of a physical plane. I feel most alive in those moments i accept this slogworld. Meditation works for me in that regard, in the sense that it reminds me I am here. This is my life. I am in a body. I see others who use drugs get such an AWE out of it, where as i just shrug it off as another dose of the truth of how fucking weird shit is. It would be interesting to furthur explore why that may be the case.

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To chime in again. I found jumping simply into meditation at an early age held no appeal to me. Looked boring. I needed more than that in terms of a spiritual path. To KNOW more. After a few years with Michael, meditation seems more appealing again. More so that I know WHY I would be doing it now...where as before it was just like " well, i guess this is what one does if they are spiritual...but I have no fucking clue what this is going towards" .

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6 hours ago, Janet said:

Well, I'm going to chime in with a plug for meditation, perhaps because it's something I've only recently been able to do. The Monroe Institute course I took taught a methodology for first going into a state of mind awake/body asleep (or body very relaxed -- they call it Focus 10) and then counting up to a meditative state (they call it Focus 12, a state for accessing your higher self).

 

I found Focus 10 familiar and realized I use it quite a lot spontaneously when focusing on a project, but now I have a mechanism for getting there when desired. After several introductory guided sessions into Focus 10, we were able to set a shortcut -- just breathe in and think 10 and then exhale. It works once you know what the state feels like for you. 

 

When I have trouble going to sleep, I now count up to Focus 10 with attention to relaxing different parts of my body. Even if I'm still awake after the count, I'm very relaxed and it doesn't matter if I sleep or not -- but I'm usually asleep before long. 

 

The meditative state (Focus 12) was new to me, and I found it incredibly enjoyable. If this state is helpful to Ego, then I'm all for trying it more frequently now. I do find that the Monroe Institute hemi-sync recordings (which use binaural beats) are useful for maintaining this state. 

 

I wonder if inputs make a difference as far as which path you might choose. As an Artisan I have brain activity nearly 24/7 from all those inputs, so achieving the quiet of the Focus levels may be just what I need to regroup and be refreshed. 

It might be that Artisanness, Janet. I feel like my thoughts are superspeed at all times as well, drugs seem to be the least appelaing thing for me because of that deep craving for focus.

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53 minutes ago, Stickyflames said:

That is very interesting Diane. That is the one reason drugs are not appealing to me! I feel as if psychedlic journeys never do anything for me afterwards. I feel far too jaded to the weird. I accept those dimensions far easier than I accept this hard slloooow slog of a physical plane. I feel most alive in those moments i accept this slogworld. Meditation works for me in that regard, in the sense that it reminds me I am here. This is my life. I am in a body. I see others who use drugs get such an AWE out of it, where as i just shrug it off as another dose of the truth of how fucking weird shit is. It would be interesting to furthur explore why that may be the case.

 

That is really interesting. I wonder if part of it comes from being high frequency, and part of it from being a highly creative person who half lives in your imagination most of the time. The first time I did acid, I started to feel everything more easily and was amazed by it. Meanwhile Tex was like, welcome to my world. He stayed sober the couple times I did acid and could still go halfway there with me. He's also Emotionally centered. I wonder if the psychedelics jolt me out of my habitual Intellectually centered functioning, and maybe that's why I learn so much from them.

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KurtisM

I think you guys are right about the Energy Ratio/Frequency and Centering contributing to how you transcend ego. But I think your Goals hold primary cues as to what you choose to do as well. The goal is action oriented after all.

 

Royce's Goal is Growth and that probably helps him pay attention to the state of meaning he's deriving from his choices more. If something is pointless, why do it when there are other more meaningful experiences for him to pursue+create?

Diane's Goal is Flow and that probably helps her pay more attention to the state of resistance vs permission/surrender she's experiencing in her flow through life. Certain choices help her create a state of freedom in structure rather than routine momentum.

Matt's Goal of Discrimination likely helps him pay attention to his state of sophistication and refinement that comes from a place of integrity and experience. He's not going to make a choice he deems sloppy and uncalculated unless it comes from that state of refinement.

 

The Goals are really interesting to me when you pair them with the Attitudes. :)

It's the what you do based on why you'd do it.

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Sam K

I've meditated on and off since I was pretty young, though I've gradually been getting more serious about it.  It helps that I'm an avid martial artist and meditation has practical benefits in that field as well.  I prefer concentrative meditation, which seems to be the sort of meditation that Michael is referring to here (as opposed to contemplative or Mindfulness meditation).  I recently got a singing bowl, which has actually surprised me with how much it helps me enter and maintain the desired state of mind.  I've yet to be able to fully "put my Ego to rest," as it were, though I feel like I got pretty damn close just a few minutes ago.

I've no interest in psychadelics, though I recognize they can be useful for some people's spiritual growth.  For me, given my personality and the basic mindset from which I approach my spirituality, loosening ego with the aid of drugs would feel like a "shortcut."  Of course I understand that there is no "cheating" at this and the specific method really doesn't make much ultimate difference, but that is how I choose to play the game.

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1 hour ago, Sam K said:

I've meditated on and off since I was pretty young, though I've gradually been getting more serious about it.  It helps that I'm an avid martial artist and meditation has practical benefits in that field as well.  I prefer concentrative meditation, which seems to be the sort of meditation that Michael is referring to here (as opposed to contemplative or Mindfulness meditation).  I recently got a singing bowl, which has actually surprised me with how much it helps me enter and maintain the desired state of mind.  I've yet to be able to fully "put my Ego to rest," as it were, though I feel like I got pretty damn close just a few minutes ago.

I've no interest in psychadelics, though I recognize they can be useful for some people's spiritual growth.  For me, given my personality and the basic mindset from which I approach my spirituality, loosening ego with the aid of drugs would feel like a "shortcut."  Of course I understand that there is no "cheating" at this and the specific method really doesn't make much ultimate difference, but that is how I choose to play the game.

Michael could also be thought of as a " shortcut". I remember a few times when I brought up the teaching I would get the response " I would rather investigate myself on my own and figure things out on my own"  . Knowing those who prefer drugs, I can definately say that it is no shortcut...It is no more a shortcut than if you wanted to be a musician and you hung out with your favourite musician for a day to get a feel for how a proffessional lives their lives. You still have a lot of work ahead of you as a musician, but it was great to see where things can go. Michael provides that for us as students as well. For myself, I know the life is not that long so I need all the help I can get! There are so many avenues for that help and others gravitate towards their own prefered help. I looooove my helpings of help , baby.

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Cong

@DianeHB just by reading some of your recents posts, and compared them to your earlier ones, I got a strong feeling that you have transcended yourself in quite significant ways. For me, it is the level of compassion that you showed - it means a lot to me, as Michael has once told me compassionate leadership is something I deeply appreciate after working with Kings and Priests closely over many lifetimes.

 

Interestingly, one of the first lessons I learned after starting to read Michael's teaching is about how ego is merely a defense mechanism of your fake personality. I think at that point, I have been fooled around by my self-depreciation/arrogance for many years so the foundation work of accepting this truth is already there. Michael's words just helped me connect the dots and i had one of those "aha" moments. Later, I realized most Eastern Religions (Taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism) have already taught in great detail how ego or sense of self has started our departure from the Tao. But then, what would you choose? The messy and beautiful game of working our way back home while the Siren of ego is chanting our names, or that eternal emptiness and detachment of staying at home with Tao?

 

As for the preferred ways of transcending ego, I'm more aligned with Matt and Sam in that I prefer approaches that are more solid in a bodily sense. I don't necessarily consider meditation is "safer" than drugs. A lot of people do not realize that without proper guidance, meditation or some other forms of connecting to essence (yoga, tai chi, etc.) can also go out of control. I think I might have drawn a fairly limited comfort zone in experiencing the more fluid side of the physical plane, but so far I'm quite confident in this choice. At the end of day, it's all about how you want to choose your experience. We all will get there one day.

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3 hours ago, Stickyflames said:

Michael could also be thought of as a " shortcut". I remember a few times when I brought up the teaching I would get the response " I would rather investigate myself on my own and figure things out on my own"


Haha, indeed; maybe by the rules they've set for themselves, Michael WOULD be cheating for those people!  I know I very consciously kept divination, channeling, and most other forms of occultism at arm's length for most of my life, despite my keen interest in those subjects.  I only fully embraced them after the election; something about that event told me the time was right to rescind that particular rule and expand my toolset.  Who knows, maybe the time will come for psychadelics too!  I just know they're not for me right now.

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