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    [Excerpt from Ask Michael: March 2014]

     

    [Juni] How is it possible to tell the difference between (and validate) when one has had actual contact/conversation with others while sleeping versus it being "just a dream" and is there cording happening when it's the former?

     

    MEntity:
    If you dream about a person, you are most likely in some form of contact with that person. Even your sex dreams about a celebrity are "real," in that regard. The Astral Plane is not restricted to known or appropriate relationships, and this is why you might even have sexual dreams about a family member. In the Astral Plane, sexual exchanges are not exploitative or ugly. They are forms of nurturing, support, and resonance. This is often carried back into the waking state as disturbing or distracting, because of the rules of relationships in the Physical Plane, but one can simply let them be what they were, and not impose temporal concerns on them. The Physical Plane is not burdened by those Astral relationships/contact, beyond the memory of the person dreaming, and what he or she chooses to do with that. In most cases, it is quite specific to the need of the dreamer, and not the one dreamed about.

     

    We emphasized sexual exchanges here, but we speak of any exchanges.

     

    And, yes, Cording does get involved. In most cases, the Cord would have had to have been in place already.

     

    If you dream of communication with someone you know you know in the dream, but do not know in waking state, it is often the case that you simply do not have a current incarnation that can reference that fragment very easily to you. If you dream of an exchange with someone who is faceless, or is vague, it is often an exchange with some facet or extension of yourself.


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      [Brian_W] Alright, I'll see you guys by the swingset then
       
      MEntity: Next, Martha.
       
      [Martha] I have a recurring theme where I have a vivid dream that I am with one of the men that I love (one at a time Bobby!), and usually there is some acknowledgement of mutual affection, love, lust, friendship and closeness but I can’t get past some boundary or other to just have a fun dream or enjoy that time with that person. Usually as they start to kiss me or something I remember they have a girlfriend in real life and I pull back, or we are both aware of the wife, girlfriend, whoever and end up just holding each other or sitting together and that is enjoyable and meaningful but not really enough. And I do see how the theme of recognized love or connection that I can’t let myself have applies to my lack of intimacy or matedness in waking life, but I don’t seem to learn anything new, just the same thing every time. Recognition, then realization all I can do is appreciate the connection, then understand why I can’t indulge and then that’s it. It seems like this is a lesson I have already learned, but clearly not or I wouldn’t keep having these kind of dreams.
       
      MEntity:
      This falls into the Symbolic Realm, and tends toward the Fantasy range, which is one of the reasons it is a sort of limbo state, as it reflects your fantasies in Waking State. It is simply a bit more submersive.
       
      Or rather, immersive.
       
      [Martha] if I'm going to have a fantasy, couldn't it be more fun?
       
      MEntity:
      To "have more fun," the fantasy would need to be replaced by invitation, which can be done upon falling asleep. Invite the fragment to meet with you in the most literal meaning of the word, using your fantasy as part of that invitation so as to show what it is you would like to experience.
       
      However, if you find there is no result from this, it would seem to us to indicate that you simply do not find it interesting to resort to the fantasy, or even the "fun" that could be had in a dream.
       
      [Martha] I do!! I do!!
       
      MEntity:
      That is for you to validate, then. We can only describe what certain scenarios may or may not indicate.
       
      Old Souls tend toward sensual dreams, or affection, because that is what is truly craved over stimulation. It tends to be more honest and direct.
       
      Even in dreams that are sexual, they tend to be just that: sexual, but not sex.
       
      This is a tendency. Not a rule.
       
      [Martha] I agree, I'm just wishing I could not have to include their girlfriend in the dream
       
      MEntity: Your description of your dream indicates to us that honesty is far more important to you than your stimulation, which may be part of why you do not have the "fun" dreams.
       
      [Martha] I get it
       
      MEntity:
      What we suggest is to allow room for flexibility in your symbolism.
       
      Instead of a replica of the individual, which brings with it replication of other parts of his life, invite another version of him.
       
      Because there are many versions of him.
       
      NEXT, Bobby.
       
      [Bobby] When I woke from a dream I had this week, I remembered "Dachau" and "rye bread" and was just curious what this was related to? A past life? Another ET past life coming through?
       
      MEntity: This dream appears to have been Astral. It is yet another Past Life, but not your own, which indicates to us that there may have been some information gathering relative to the fragment of focus. Though we are not sure about who it is, it is most likely relevant to a relationship that is prominent to you. The details are of a bakery near a camp in that vicinity that was friendly to the prisoners.
       
      [Bobby] Is this typical, dreaming of someone else's past lives? This is the 2nd time now that I know of
       
      MEntity:
      It is not unusual at all. We are all connected, and the older the soul gets, the more its "memories" begin to expand beyond its own, and accesses relevant information for helping with the current lifetime.
       
      However, that access is usually limited to those mathematically linked to a fragment, or those fragments direcly relevant to the current Personality.
       
      We will close with a quick suggestion for how to direct your dreams more effectively.
       
      [Bobby] thank you... very insightful
       
      MEntity:
      Using the map we described earlier, we suggest being creative in your interpretation of is, so that each "Room" is understood as representing these various parts of each realm. Depending on the nature of the dream one wishes to explore, imagine walking the path it would take to get to and through the door into that room.
       
      To add to your effectiveness, it would also help to name your rooms and even to write down the room you wish to visit, as a pre-heading for your dream recall.
       
      Experimentation and record-keeping are key here, in bringing more and more control and recall.
       
      Keep in mind that regardless of what you intend to dream, it may be bumped by other priorities relevant for your well-being.
       
      If rooms are not of interest for you to use, then direct intention is as helpful, alone or even combined with the map.
       
      For example, "I want to dream about what I am doing in my life that is hurting me the most, and how to change that." or "What obstacles do I still need to overcome before I open to true intimacy?" or "I would like to get to know my next Mate Agreement." or even, "What have I experienced between lives when I died before?"
       
      The prompts that work best are the ones that of strong interest to you.
       
      We must close now. Our channel grows weary. Good evening to each of you.
    • Kasia
      By Kasia
      [Excerpt from Ask Michael: March 2016]

      Juni: A few months ago there was a conversation on one of the Energy reports about how a number of people were having dreams about people in their past whom they'd not seen for a while. It was suggested that this related to cord sorting. For instances where it was, what prompts Essence to engage in it and how is it beneficial, and can you comment on this within the larger context of this year with its theme of endings/beginnings, time allowing?

      MEntity:
      Cording evolved long before language, and its effectiveness and practicality transcend limitations of language, time, and space. 

      Cording is still useful for remaining close to those who are far away, or those who have died or those with whom you build a life. 

      The useful and energizing Cords are connected between the "fronts" of the bodies. 

      But as populations have grown and more people share space and time, Cording is sometimes generated as attachments that are not mutual or beneficial and these become draining, exhausting, and even painful. 

      Long after bonding is mutual, Cords can remain. Long after passing glances on a street, Cords can remain. Long after an argument, Cords can remain. Long after exposure to a crowd, Cords remain. 

      These are the Cords that one would sort and release. 

      The Cords that are intended or welcome are energizing, inspiring, and comforting. The Cords that are not intended, outdated, or remain without mutual consent are draining, exhausting, and distracting. 

      The differences between these are in the mutual exchange and circuit of energy shared vs that of simply taking energy and "feeding" off you. 

      For many who have been enduring or tolerating or being lenient with Cords attached that are not mutually beneficial, there has come a realization that it is time to let these go, to cut these loose, and to nurture healthy boundaries. 

      There is a shift in necessity for great clarity about where one stands and how one is receiving/giving energy.
    • Janet
      By Janet
      This session took place on June 8, 2008.
       
      [Michael Entity] Hello to everyone. We are here.
       
      [QUESTION] I see a lot of folks who have bad dreams in my work and have found that while interpretation can be useful, people often find relief just by imagining a better ending for the dream. I don't remember where I learned that (maybe from you?). Anyway it seems to bring relief from nightmares. What is the mechanism by which this works? is it just that I say it will and people believe me? Or is it something astral? or simply the subconscious mind doing its thing? All that seems to be required is a good imagination and being in "alpha" waves.
       
      [Michael Entity]
      There is a level of dreaming that is primarily symbolic and these dreams are where issues from the waking life are being processed or examined. It does not require a fragment to be asleep for those symbols to be meaningful, but the symbols that are recalled from the dream are often the most directly-significant to the issues. For most fragments, the dream state can help resolve these issues being played out symbolically. This symbolic level of dreaming is very similar to how fragments experience and interact on the Astral Plane anyway, but for those fragments who have not resolved the issues being played out in symbolic dreaming, then bringing in the consciousness of the waking personality can help break the worrying cycle that has led to what some describe as "nightmares." This method of resolution is a natural strength for most fragments, which is why it so naturally occurs during sleep where the Personality dissolves to its default nature of strengths and weaknesses. Nearly all fragments assign symbolism to emotional, intellectual, spiritual, and physical elements of the life, though this symbolism is often lost to the conscious personality (waking state). When you, QUESTIONER, direct a fragment to use those symbols and experiences from the dream in a conscious way to bring about a break in the cycle and to direct toward resolution, it is not only resolving the issue in many ways, but bringing about an alignment between the conscious and subconscious selves.
       
      This same method can be used for those who are not having nightmares or remembering dreams:
       
      Examining an issue within the waking state and breaking it down into symbolism, then manipulating those symbols into a way that brings about a sense of direction, closure, or change can help implement those very things in the reality.
       
      For instance, a fragment may be feeling obstacles or patterns that keep him or her locked into poverty or survival modes. This fragment might choose a symbol to represent himself and the obstacles or patterns, adding in a current idea of a solution, and manipulate these into a way that displays a symbolic solution. Keeping that symbolic sense of solution at hand, in mind, heart, or even visually depicted (drawn out), can help to break the current symbolic pattern.
       
      [QUESTIONER] cool! bypasses the intellect setting up barriers I would think
       
      [Michael Entity] Your assessment is valid, for it is the Intellect that often keeps movement locked into an undesirable pattern. This is by no means true in all situations, but in many, it is.
       
      [QUESTION] Could you give an example of this conscious working with symbols such as the poverty or survival mode idea?
       
      [Michael Entity]
      Questioner, the symbolism would have to be specific to the individual, so our example will not be universal.
       
      For instance, one example might be a CAT to represent the individual, a BALL INSIDE A CIRCULAR TUBED TRACK with just a bit of a slit along the inside ring of the tube for reaching at the ball, to represent the pattern/obstacle. The current situation has the cat swatting at the ball over and over and often in a frenzy while the ball is forever locked inside that circular track. No amount of swatting or maneuvering is going to change this ball's circular roll within the tubed track.
       
      This person might then change the pattern by realizing that the symbolic pattern of the ball in the track means that everything about what the cat is doing is never going to get anywhere beyond chasing current ideas, actions, and feelings in circles.
       
      This situation would either require intervention (maybe a human to come along and break open the track to get to the ball) or to simply walk away to a completely new adventure. For the sake of this example, it might seem to be the most directly implementable action to simply walk away from the current ideas and actions. This person might then imagine the cat walking away wistfully and finding a small tree with accessible branches bearing dollar bills, all dangling in the wind. The cat is seen as having an hilarious and playful time jumping and swatting at the branches and knocking down the dollar bills into a pile.
       
      This person, then, might keep that image in mind when he or she begins to feel trapped again within patterns that are obviously not working so that he or she can be open to other, more accessible, inputs and possibilities within the reality.
       
      Keep in mind that these symbolic plays are NOT the solution in themselves, but are symbolic shifts toward internal solutions or breaks from patterns in how one is perceiving and interpreting reality, which is then a powerful step toward finding and creating external "real life" solutions and breaks.
       
      We would also suggest examining why this person might have chosen himself to be symbolized by a CAT, looking at all that a cat means to that person and applying that insight as a way to discover how he or she sees the self in relation to the issue.
       
      We will point out here that this topic could be an entire discussion in itself and one that might be worth examining in the future.
       
      [QUESTION] What is meditation? Is it just silencing the internal chattering, or is something else involved? I recently had some personal advice in meditation from Michael, but trying to follow it, I started wondering what meditation actually is.
       
      [Michael Entity]
      From our perspective, "meditation" is a word to describe the work through a triad that leads to adaptable balancing among all centers. This triad could be described as: EXAMINATION, IMPLEMENTATION, REALIZATION. We will describe this in detail now.
       
      First, a fragment would Examine the life to determine which Center is seeming least used, least effective, least understood, etc. For simplistic purposes, we will contain this to the 3 Primary Centers. So if one were to see that the MOVING Center is being used the least, or is the least effective, then this would determine the direction of IMPLEMENTATION. This would mean that your "meditation" would be of a Moving-Centered sort. Stillness or stereotypical concepts of "meditation" would not work for this fragment. This fragment could then Implement a moving meditation into his or her days. This moving meditation could be anything that includes the body and movement, which means that meditation could be anything from exercise to dancing to simple movements of the body while seated. Once a method has been Implemented, then the practice of this on a regular basis will lead to REALIZATION, which simply describes the effect of that particular meditation. In this case, a balance within the self that has taught the body how to call upon its moving center in a more effective way. The Implementation stage is the most important stage as it requires some amount of commitment for Realization to come about. The entirety of the experience from Examination to Implementation to Realization is "meditation." In other words, Meditation is not simply a separation from your routines (examination), nor is it simply the clear focus of intent during parts of your day (implementation), nor is it just the benefits on the other side of implementation (realization). It is a triad of effort.
       
      [QUESTION] what would be an example of using Emotional as the Center for Implementation?
       
      [Michael Entity] Listening to music that stimulates the emotions could be good for some fragments, while watching dramatic movies could be good for others; still others might find a walk through beautiful environments to be a means for implementing Emotional; exploring art could be another example for some.
       
      [QUESTION] So it doesn't matter if I think of this and that during implementation, as long as I move?
       
      [Michael Entity] The more consciousness one can direct toward that which is being implemented, the greater the Realization. So if one is implementing Movement, one can think and feel whatever one wishes, but allow the consciousness to fully embrace the body, the sensations, the experience of the movement as clearly as possible. It cannot hurt to be as focused as one can be on the implementation, but it is not necessary to block other natural elements within you.
       
      [QUESTIONER] I thought so
       
      [Michael Entity]
      Those who experience the Realization will find that one can think, feel, and act in a way that each does not overshadow or block the other.
       
      This is another topic worth exploring, if our students wished.
       
      [QUESTION] I want to know about the 4th internal monad and how one would know if they were on the way to manifesting their true personality
       
      [Michael Entity]
      The easiest way one can gauge whether one is moving forward through the 4th Internal Monad in a way that is a positive transition, or to gauge whether one has completed a 4th Internal Monad in a way that was in the Positive Pole, is to ask one, simple question:
       
      DO I LIKE ME?
       
      To the degree that a fragment can honestly say that he or she likes himself or herself, is the degree to which the 4th Internal Monad is being completed, or has been completed, in the Positive Pole.
       
      The Positive Pole of the entire 4th Internal Monad is Self-Realization, which is the experience of being present with who you are and generally liking who you are. The Negative Pole is Acquiescence, which is the feeling of being forced or succumbing to "who you are," and not really liking who that is.
       
      In short, if you can answer the question DO I LIKE ME? with an answer of "yes" to any degree, then you are generally manifesting True Personality to that degree.
       
      [QUESTION] There are different ”schools” teaching how to do psychic readings/how to read energy fields/do energy work. When doing a reading it's sometimes being used different energy techniques for different issues coming up in a reading. For instance: 1.Create and destroy, 2.Removing fear energies, 3.Delete programming, 4.Erasure and 5.Astral healing. If possible I would like Michael make a comment on the use of these techniques and the fact that some of these schools, even today, try to keep some secrecy around the energy techniques.
       
      [Michael Entity]
      Many "schools" who claim secrecy over their techniques are run by, and determined by, Baby Souls. The techniques involved would be beneficial to other Baby Souls, and to some Young Souls, but probably quite ineffective for Mature or Older Souls to use. This is because the techniques and beliefs that make these work are mythological and superstitiously rooted. If one can adapt these Baby Soul concepts into a more mature language and method, then the schooling might not be lost on the Mature or Older soul, but this would have to be kept in mind along the way. For instance, the idea that one can heal another is a Baby Soul concept, but the reality that one can help another to heal himself is a Mature concept. Even on the most physical of levels of intervention, a physical doctor can only do so much in treating a fragment and the fragment "being healed" must ultimately do the healing. Tending, or intervening the impact of wounds is one thing; but healing is always a personal matter.
       
      The older souls know this.
       
      We mention this as an example because many of the more secretive techniques and schoolings teach as an undercurrent a kind of power over others (whether for "good" or "bad,") and this ultimate power is simply not valid.
       
      If your technique for healing is considerate of the dynamic that needs to be in place between healer and wounded, with an holistic awareness, then the technique would be the most effective and valid. Techniques that leave out the choice of another tend to lead to Karma.
       
      [QUESTION] I have recently been involved in discussions with a few of my friends regarding political and governmental systems regarding which are the most effective. My friends would gladly describe themselves as “libertarian” whereas I cannot completely proscribe to such an ideology, if only because their description of “libertarianism” seems to give too much authority to the private sector and private interests; of which I am not entirely comfortable. They would likely label me as “socialist” or as “bleeding heart liberal” if they didn't know me better! I guess the questions are: Is there or are there ideal governmental system(s) or ideology for the current average soul age we are in currently, based on what Michael has perceived from other sentient beings? What do these systems look like? Perhaps what the United States and the rest of the world is currently experiencing in their governments are pretty typical for our current soul age development? That would be my perception at least. Also, what do typical governments look like on worlds that have a majority of old souls? Or do they even have governments?
       
      [Michael Entity] The politics of any given region or period of time usually describe the friction between the approaching paradigm and the current paradigm, each respectively defined by the approaching dominant Soul Age and the current dominant Soul Age. Many of the names assigned to the varying "parties" are tedious and unnecessary, so we will speak in broader terms here.
       
      NOTE FROM TROY: Some editing was done from the original text as I asked Michael for clarifications and questioned a couple of the original details. Also, the true definitions and delineations for all of the political/governmental systems can really get complicated, so Michael's response seems to be exactly what they've said, a "broader" perspective, at best. They did explain to me that there are really only three political systems, but a multitude of systems within those systems.
       
      [Michael Entity]
      It could be said that the following political systems are associated in this way:
       
      Infant Souls have no politics or order, and are therefore at the mercy of whatever dominant political system is in place at the time. However, they may be most comfortable with Dictatorship, which would be implemented by Baby Souls.
       
      The Baby/Young politics have shown up as Dictatorship, Capitalism, and Socialism.
       
      The Young/Mature politics have shown up as Monarchy, Republic, Socialism, and Communism.
       
      The Mature/Old politics have shown up as Monarchy, Democracy, and Anarchy.
       
      Old Soul politics return to a state of no politics, but more of what might be considered Anarchy. We use the word "anarchy" in its true definition, not as the Young or Mature soul might exploit the term. The anarchy usually takes on a form that would be recognized as Tribalism.
       
      In response to your questions:
       
      We would say that the politics of your current world are exactly indicative of the shifts from the dominant paradigm/soul age to another.
       
      From what we can see of other populations dominated by Old Soul Ages and paradigms, there are no governments that you would recognize beyond being more tribal groups in communication and exchange with one another, but with no discernible leader or authority.
       
      This is one of the reasons our teaching is particularly attractive to the older soul, since there is no discernible authority beyond the self, and even the sense of self is held in question to a degree that allows for sensitive consideration of all factors involved in the life.
       
      An Old Soul world is similar.
       
      [QUESTION] I realize my background in government is obviously lacking when I ask this question, but: Is there any distinguishable difference between a democracy and a republic according to Michael's perception? By including both, it seems to be implied that there is a difference.
       
      [Michael Entity]
      We differentiate a Republic from a Democracy in that a Republic has a more specifically-defined body of qualified voters or elected representatives, while a Democracy seeks to include all people, even those who might not be obviously qualified. The concept of Democracy can get confusing in some cultures such as in the United States because several forms of government are in place. Rather than a pure Democracy, the United States is far more accurately described as a Republic, which is a form of Democracy, but not true Democracy. In addition to this, the general promotion of Democracy is run from an Authoritarian perspective, or as a Plutocracy, to be specific. It could be said that the Physical economy of the United States is run by Plutocratic (authoritarian) politics, while the Emotional economy is run by Republican (Democratic) methods, and this is to be considered when looking at politics. There are Physical, Emotional, Intellectual, and Spiritual levels of Politics and Economy to consider in any system.
       
      The closest to an old soul political system that exists in your world today is what is experienced as "the Internet."
       
      [QUESTION] How are the Internet and politics related?
       
      [Michael Entity]
      If "politics" is seen as a term to describe how a body of people govern themselves and resolve apparent conflicts, then the Internet could be seen as a system of politics. In this case, as would be the case for the Old Soul world, COMMUNICATION would be at the core of those politics, or the INTELLECT as economy.
       
      The Infant Soul uses Freedom; the Baby Soul uses Authority; the Young Soul uses Capital; the Mature Soul uses Well-Being; and the Old Soul uses Communication at the root of their politics.
       
      The "ultimate" political system, in the end, will have to utilize all of these factors to govern a mix of soul ages. Hence, the politics of a Democracy or a Republic will include previous political emphases to some degree, but with the more current politics being the emphasis.
       
      [QUESTION] And so, just as we are doing here in this chat, everyone determines for themselves, and then relates to the outside world through communication. but as an autonomous being similarly engaged with other autonomous beings/people? Something like this?
       
      [Michael Entity]
      We think we have understood your question and we would agree. It could be said then that the politics of the Old Soul are CONTEXTUAL. Certain politics apply within specific instances, but are not seen as appropriate across the board. And each person determines his or her level of compliance within certain contexts, or freely moves to more appropriate contexts.
       
      We realize this is far from being deeply explored, but we will move on now.
       
      [QUESTION] Since we acquire new bodies each lifetime, why do we still carry "memories" of injuries from past lives into new lifetimes? How does this work? For ex. my back pain has been channeled as being from an injury from a past life that I am working out.
       
      [Michael Entity]
      One only carries "memories" of injuries into a current life when those injuries or memories are relevant to the current life. They are never random, and never literal. For instance, your back pain is a manifestation of similar patterns being explored within this lifetime that are resonant to other lifetimes of similar exploration. It is not that the injury was literally carried over, but that you are doing similar things in a similar way that then resonate to that other lifetime. That resonance can help in healing the current injury only insofar as insights can be gained from experiences integrated by your Essence from that lifetime. The resonance to the other lifetime is not to give justification or distraction from your current ailments, but to allow a means of direct access to the wisdom stored by Essence from that lifetime.
       
      If one can imagine one lifetime as one point on a line, while another lifetime is another point at a distance on that line, and then imagine a line being drawn from one lifetime to another, that line CANNOT be "drawn" without first creating an arc through Essence, which is "above the line." Often Personality can relate to other Personalities before it can relate to Essence, so it "remembers" (or receives through a channel) the reference to another lifetime of similarity, but this is merely a method for indirectly accessing Essence. Keeping that in mind can help the point of that remembering and resonance.
       
      However, to be more specific in response to your question, it is not the injury that carries over, nor the memory, but the PATTERNS that are stored in your Instinctive Center, which is pulled from one lifetime and then "inserted" into another lifetime. This is not a literal event, but the image is helpful. It can also hep to think of it as a program, or a collection of programs/software that is now available to the new personality. Depending on the choices of the current personality, certain programs/software/patterns will emerge for use, and many will not.
       
      In your case, QUESTIONER, you have called upon a theme of self-esteem issues, and these issues are often ignored or overridden on the emotional or intellectual levels to a degree that physical manifestation helps in tending to that theme of issues. You will then find resonance to lifetimes where a similar physical injury or ailment was being explored for similar reasons.
       
      [QUESTION] Could Michael suggest some energy-work on such an issue?
       
      [Michael Entity]
      The "energy work" for any given ailment would have to be relative to the ailment and the individual, but we can say that any chronic aching that is related to self-esteem issues would require "energy work" on the Emotional Body as a focal point, while emphasis of RELIEF on the Physical Body will help in allowing that focus. This energy work on the Emotional Body might be anything from cathartic expression to gestalt therapies to flotation therapies to singing therapies to permission therapies that allow for more of what one craves, etc.
       
      We wish to point out here that the patterns carried over from one lifetime to another are only brought into reality by the choices of the current personality. For instance, there have have been lifetimes for the Questioner that have been lived between the past life back injury and the back injury of this lifetime. Back pain was not an issue in those lifetimes between.
       
      A more poetic way to understand this might be that the songs heard from other lifetimes depends on the melodies played by this one.
       
      [QUESTION] I would like more information on the upcoming (or current??) nexus. It feels to me as if everything over a period of some months has been leading to this (at least for me personally.) Lots of old wounds and even fear patterns (particularly self-esteem, self-worth issues) have been triggered. I recognize them for what they are, but I need to find a way to stay focused on what it is that I want to create, particularly in terms of my career. I am also dealing with a boss who has a very different approach to life than I do. I am guessing she is some combination of sage/priest/warrior - very focused, driven (passion mode?) energy though even though I think she is emotionally centered. Whereas, even though I am a scholar, and intellectually centered, my approach is more fuzzy, diffuse, and go with the flow, or at least it feels that way. Any suggestions here? Please direct your answer in any way that would be helpful to others in general. I can follow up with Troy on the more personal aspects later.
       
      [Michael Entity]
      What we can say about the upcoming Nexus is that there seems to be an exploration of the concept of COMPARISONS/CONTRASTS. This seems to be resulting from the enthusiasm/collapse extremes that we have described for many of our students. The enthusiasm comes from the Persistence energy that pushes beyond the collapsing experience of Unchanging energy. It is fair to compare and contrast the unchanging energy with the persistent energy, or the collapsing energy with the enthusiastic energy, but will not be fair to oneself to presume one is stuck in this pattern indefinitely, or to presume one has to remain in one or the other.
       
      In light of this, many of you may find representatives of your inner enthusiasm/collapse around you.
       
      In your case, it could be said that your "boss" represents the enthusiasm, while "you" represent the collapses. This then leads to your attributing distaste for enthusiasm because your boss expresses it differently from what you would, and this leads to distaste for yourself since you see most easily the collapse in you.
       
      [QUESTION] and how to move beyond this?
       
      [Michael Entity] What one could do, using your example, is to try what we suggested in our Energy Report, which is to DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. In this case, it might mean to flip and reverse your perspective and interpretations in a completely enlightening and revitalizing way (instead of in the debilitating way that is your current pattern). Allow your boss to be the wonderful representative of how you create your collapses, and for yourself to represent what actually inspires your enthusiasm. In other words, doing things your way actually leads to productivity, creativity, and meaning, while doing things her way leads to confusion, overwhelm, and hopelessness.
       
      [QUESTIONER] I'm not quite grasping this
       
      [Michael Entity]
      If we are seeing the situation clearly, we would say that your collapses come in your comparing yourself to others forms of productivity and trying to implement methods not natural to you, whereas realizing what does and does not work for you allows for you to implement practices that encourage your enthusiasm and do not require you to conform to anyone else's methods.
       
      We believe we may be getting into personal territory and will halt our response here, but simply point out that the upcoming Nexus is one that emphasizes CONTRASTS and COMPARISONS and this is to allow for heightened awareness of what IS and IS NOT working for you in various areas of your life. The process of Comparing and Contrasting can often feel like self-judgment or judgment of others, and it is just that, but it is not something to be feared. It is simply a natural method for navigating life. To fear it is to remain stuck. To remain stuck is to remain at the extreme of collapse.
       
      We will conclude here, then. Good day to each of you. Goodbye.
    • DanielaS
      By DanielaS
      Michael Speaks Live
      OPEN FLOOR QUESTIONS
      November 24, 2013
      Channel: Troy Tolley
       
      [MEntity]
      Hello to each of you. We are here, now. We can begin our exchanges with you.
       
      We understand this exchange to be focused on the questions and considerations of those students "new" to our teachings.
       
      What we will do to launch this discussion is to share with you how best to go about your approach to learning and studying our teachings, and where best to apply what it is that you learn.
       
      The best way to go about your approach to learning and studying our teachings is: YOUR WAY. The best places to apply the teachings as you learn them is: WHEREVER AND HOWEVER YOU WISH TO DO SO.
       
      We know of no "best way" for either of these things
       
      Your questions are yours. Your path is yours. Your pace is yours. We have not presented our teaching in a linear or delineated way for a reason. It is a spherical teaching. It can be approached from all "sides" and each side is interlaced with every other side. You cannot go wrong.
       
      [dave] hello michael. is there anything in particular that would identify the influence as you when i am making choices? is there a way to hear each of our guides individually? i feel love for them and am incredibly grateful.
       
      [MEntity] First, we will say that we, nor your guides, have much influence through even the most willing of fragments. "Influence" from guides can only come in three forms: insight, perspective, or support. We know this can be considered influence, but we wish to clarify that we cannot do more than what is asked of us.
       
      [dave] i get it. those 3 are what i mean.
       
      [MEntity]
      Next, we would say, yes, there are ways to differentiate between "you" and your guides/us. However, this takes time and awareness. Most fragments are quite content with the more practical "inner voice" that one tends to know as one's own voice.
       
      Because we do not have a voice, nor do your guides, the indicators for those voices tend to need to be defined by the listener, and then listened for.
       
      For example, if you have a guide who is sought for help with career choices, you might assign a more distinct authoritative voice to this guide. That guide will not override this, and all guides would rather use any voice you can hear than to not be heard when you most wish to hear them.
       
      [dave] yeah. i think i maybe shouldn't care too much about it. just that i make wise choices.
       
      [MEntity]
      If a guide or teacher does not have a distinct "voice" assigned to them, we can say that voices of guides with INSIGHT tend to come with more unaffected, flat deliveries, while voices of PERSPECTIVE tend to come with more "personality" and even symbolism, and voices of SUPPORT tend to come as quite comforting and quiet.
       
      All of these would tend to come as "bursts" or spontaneously, and it is in those moments that you can begin to build your awareness of what each "voice" tends to, and how it is slightly different from your own.
       
      We are speaking of those who live with guides and teachers, not of those who pursue a career in channeling where the differentiation is far more important to distinguish.
       
      [Connor] Hello Michael. This is a question I've run into a couple times which has not been clarified to date, as far as I know. Can Transcendental Souls create karma? An example of Muhummad comes to mind, whose teachings didn't quite 'get across'.
       
      [MEntity]
      Any fragment who is incarnated can create Karma. It is always a gamble.
       
      However, by the time one has come to be Transcendental, the requirements necessary for the formation of a Ribbon or Ribbons would be highly unlikely.
       
      Karma can be generated without Ribbons. It is the Ribbons that are evaded, not the Karma.
       
      [Connor] Ah. Still learning to differentiate the two.
       
      [MEntity]
      Karma is imbalance generated by intensity of interference of choice. This almost always generates a Ribbon. A Ribbon is the unattended necessity for balance that is caused by the imbalance.
       
      Older Souls and beyond in Soul Age tend not to generate Ribbons because they can process any imbalance quite rapidly, and it is rarely relative to any Physical Plane requirements for balance.
       
      [Connor] So then the fragment who killed Gandhi, for example, would not have generated a ribbon, despite the act of murder? (if time allows)
       
      [MEntity]
      For example, a Transcendental Soul may still find himself distracted with the pleasures of the Physical Plane, as was Mahatma Gandhi, and generate some Karma because of some irresponsible choices that create imbalances between himself and others.
       
      There was no interference of choice in terms of the Physical Plane, but there was neglect and indulgences that created imbalances in the Emotional and Intellectual realms. These were then balanced in those realms, such as through dreams or after the life.
       
      [Connor] Cool.
       
      [MEntity] Dying is wholly understood and known to be built into the life of a Transcendental Soul. It is expected. The death is often orchestrated through Agreements in a way that would bring about the changes that the life may not have been able to generate. Karma *could* be generated through the murder of a Transcendental Soul, but it has yet to be done. This is because there is simply no sense of intensity or violation to generate the imbalance necessary.
       
      [Kurtle] Hey Michael, I'm getting to know the overleaves better. For today could you elaborate on the Caution and Power modes and how they appear in older souls(mature and old)? The definitions we have here typically apply to the younger souls so clarification would be useful in how they “manifest”.
       
      [MEntity]
      The Mode is how one RELATES. This is how one relates to the Goal, to the life, to others, and how one goes about securing Intimacy in the life.
       
      At the core of Caution and Power are EXPRESSION, so these will be all about the FORM.
       
      Regardless of Soul Age, Caution will relate DELIBERATELY (with intention) as a way to give form to a relationship, to a goal, to intimacy.
       
      When the forms of relationship, goals, and intimacy are not felt to be representative of Caution, it can fall into PHOBIA, or an extreme aversion to most everything that is in relationship to the fragment.
       
      [Kurtle]
      ah that makes sense.
       
      Well the definition of phobia I mean.
       
      [MEntity]
      In the older souls, DELIBERATION can come in the form of having quite specific standards and parameters for what is of interest for relating to the fragment. Think of Caution as DISCRIMINATION in the context of relating. Deliberation aims for Sophistication.
       
      So Caution Mode is about refining relationships.
       
      When Caution is in Phobia, it is like Discrimination in Rejection.
       
      [Kurtle] It sounds like a friend of mine. 😛
       
      [MEntity]
      It is a refusal to take responsibility for the forms that have been created or allowed.
       
      Caution could be said to be an emphasis on how the other half of the equation of Relating takes form, whereas POWER is about how YOU take form in the equation of Relating.
       
      Power is about how PRESENT one is in a relationship.
       
      The more Present one is, the more Authority one has over the self.
       
      [Kurtle] So it's like Caution is adapting itself to the situation and Power is adapting the situation to itself?
       
      [MEntity] When POWER feels its Presence is not taking form, it can compensate by falling into OPPRESSION.
       
      [Kurtle] Kind of like Enforcing their presence on others. Ah I see.
       
      [MEntity]
      In the older souls, Power is all about being awake in a relationship. When the old soul falls into Oppression, he has fallen asleep. If Power is like ACCEPTANCE, the Oppression is like Ingratiation. It is about losing one's form as a way to conform so that one has some sense of power, in the same way that Ingratiation is about doing what one thinks is necessary in order to be loved.
       
      Of course, Ingratiation is not Love, and Oppression is not Power.
       
      Kurt, in the younger Soul Ages, Oppression does come as more of an enforcement of presence upon others, but in the older souls, this turns around so that one begins to shrink in the shadow of anything deemed more powerful.
       
      For all of the Overleaves, try this for understanding the differences between how they manifest in younger Soul Ages versus older Soul Ages:
       
      Add SELF- to the Positive or Negative Pole of the term.
       
      [Kurtle] ohhh that make s a lot of sense.
       
      [MEntity]
      For instance, in Discrimination, the Negative Pole of Rejection is more often SELF-Rejection for the Old Soul. The Goal of Acceptance is more about SELF-Acceptance. CAUTION Mode can fall into SELF-Phobia, or the Stoic into SELF-Resignation. And so on.
       
      This is not always a clear differentiation, but it can help.
       
      [Kurtle] Ah, would that be the same for the Mature Soul? Self- I mean.
       
      [GeraldineB] That's for another time, Kurt
       
      [GeraldineB] Time to move along 🙂
       
      [MEntity] By "older" we always mean mid-Mature through Old.
       
      [ViP1]
      Sex education for children is something that seems particularly important in order for children to know how to manage their impulses with respect for themselves as they become older, and yet it is approached in wildly varying, ad hoc ways that typically depend heavily on cultural background.
       
      Such approaches range from no intentional attempt at sex education at all, rather avoiding the topic completely, to complete openness that might strike other people as awkward and inappropriate.
       
      The education itself might come from parents, or from teachers, or from friends, or from the media, or all of those. In addition, there is usually some degree of awkwardness in parents around even raising the topic with their children to begin with.
       
      Do you have any insights on how to approach sex education for children, irrespective of their cultural background, in a manner that is inclusive of their own makeup, that is appropriate to and respectful of their needs and level of mental/emotional development, the best age for children at which to introduce it, and who such education might best be provided by?
       
      [MEntity]
      The greatest approach to sex education is through the removal of shame from the equation. The rest is fairly moot. Shame is easily learned, and this informs one more so than any other guiding factor for health.
       
      We say that the rest is fairly moot because most education for children regarding a topic that cannot be fathomed is difficult to instill in any meaningful way, and for those in the throes of it simply cannot hear. "Education" would be most effective in removing shame, and inviting choice.
       
      By inviting choice we mean that children would do well to know that they have a choice for being safe, asking for more information, accessing protection, etc. For some, the details are helpful, for others the details are meaningless, but for the entire spectrum of ages and cultures, CHOICE is what is often missing from the equation of education.
       
      "You do not have to understand what you are doing, just that you have a choice in how you are doing it."
       
      Once the power of choice is in a child's hand from any culture, and the weight of shame is removed, the eagerness for "better choices" comes naturally.
       
      In short: reduce shame, increase choice. This can be implemented in any number of ways.
       
      [HunterG] Hello Michael, I know you have said listening to music can be a direct link to essence. My question is "What is the interaction with essence in the context of CREATING music?" Because not much has been said in that regard.
       
      [MEntity]
      The process of creating music is often the process of manifesting Essence. It is a bringing of the language of the Astral Plane into form.
       
      All music is an extension of the Astral Plane.
       
      This could be said of any Matter, actually, but music is one of the more fluid and concise extensions.
       
      Different kinds of music extend from different levels of the Astral Plane, but all of it is an extension of this Plane.
       
      This includes the "music" of non-sentient species, as well.
       
      [HunterG] Would there be a way to differentiate the different kinds of music?
       
      [MEntity] Yes. Think of the Astral Plane as something like an Emotional Center with all of its Parts. The Moving Part would be that which encourages movement/action. The Higher Moving would be that which encourages resonance/Beauty. The Intellectual Part would be that which brings Expression, such as song, lyrics, etc., while the Higher Intellectual would be along the lines of choral, or philosophical/Truth explorations in word, and the Emotional Part would be that which soothes and calms, while the Higher Emotional Part might bring healing/Loving. Music is not one or the other of these, but often a mix of at least 2 or 3.
       
      [HunterG] yes
       
      MEntity:
      If there is a question to which we can respond in brief, we will take that to close out our session. 
       
      If there are no more questions, we will conclude here for tonight. Good evening to each of you.
       
      Goodbye
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