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This material originated with the March 2010 Michael Speaks. Special thanks to BrianW for posting his copy of the session or the content would have been lost. Although this session suggests that the missing content will be added, this has not yet been done. The roles covered in this session are those that were represented by session attendees.
Note: In 2019 TeamTLE completed a project to update this session to include Mature and Old Ages for all Roles. See TeamTLE: The Roles for Mature and Old Souls (Updated). The updated version includes all the content below with new content added. This transcript was left in place to preserve the discussion string.
Hello to all of you. We are here. We will begin with a discussion on the topic requested.
Before doing so, we would like to point out that while it may seem to be the case, it is actually impossible to misrepresent, misunderstand, or misapply our teaching.
When we say "impossible," we speak in relative terms that describe the fact of so many nuances and dynamics that go into representation, understanding, and applying our teaching.
Our teaching cannot be misrepresented because it is either represented, or it is not. Beyond that, it cannot be misrepresented because if the student is not discerning and questioning beyond the representation, then he or she is not learning anyway.
Our teaching cannot be misunderstood because this implies that there is a standard method and means for understanding. The only time this teaching is "misunderstood" is if one standard is held up against another. You will understand this teaching as you understand it.
However, we will add to that statement that your understanding is never complete, and to presume that it is would be the end of learning.
Our teaching cannot be misapplied, as again, this would imply a neat standard that describes how it "should" be applied. Even when our teaching is used as a platform for justifying behaviors, or to seek a sense of specialness, it is being applied on your terms, and those are the only terms we encourage.
However, we would add to that statement that your terms are never fully understood, and to presume that your terms are static is to halt growth.
When we say "halt growth" and "the end of learning," we mean these as temporary conditions of the Personality, and not permanent on any meaningful level for Essence.
Though Troy's introduction was not intended to provoke this clarification from us, we do think it important to distinguish our channels' opinions from our own.
That being said, there is validity to the fact that there is little recorded from us through our channels about the distinctions among the Roles in how they manifest through the Soul Ages, and we can address that today.
We must point out, though, that anything we describe about any aspect of our teaching will, by necessity, be "generalized," as there is simply no way to describe ALL Old Sages, for instance. Numerous factors go into the manifestation of a Personality and Essence within a lifetime.
Our Teachings can best be understood in both CONTEXTUAL and HOLISTIC terms.
Contextual in that each phrase, term, or polarity is distinct within a specific context, and that context is an entity in itself, so to speak.
Holistic in that this is a system that works dynamically, "organically," and when understood as a system, comes to life in a way that cannot be fully understood in its parts.
For instance, if one were to be described or dismissed as being only a Kidney, it would not capture the full humanity of that individual, but to understand the functioning and purpose of the Kidney is vital on its own.
Furthermore, lacking comprehension of the full humanity of that individual leaves one lacking understanding in how that particular Kidney actually functions for that particular person.
We say all of this to you before delving into the topic at hand because what we will describe today, for the most part, is CONTEXTUAL.
Within the time limits, we will cover Mature and Old Soul contexts for each Role, but will complete the subject with Troy so that Infant, Baby, and Young are included in exploring each Role.
Each of the Roles through the Soul Ages could best be understood as manifesting more and more Essence through the Personalities that are created. Essence Manifestation can and does happen within all Soul Ages, but the degrees to which that manifestation occurs does grow.
What we will describe today are what those degrees might look like for the Mature and Old Roles, in both positive and negative ways. Keep in mind that regardless of your technical Soul Age, you may be manifesting younger Soul Ages at various points within the life, or for the entire lifetime.
For the most part, manifestation of various soul ages is proportional to the various contexts of your life, so that if you work within a Young Soul environment, you may call upon the Young Soul aspects of your Essence, and in Intimate circles, you may call on more of your actual Soul Age.
"Manifesting Soul Age" is not static, and is not a description of limitations. It is simply a description of emphasis and resource for the lifetime, a relationship, a career, project, etc.
What we describe today is a Role manifesting its actual Soul Age.
Because of Personality, this may show up wildly different among that Roles "in the world," so what we describe may only be obvious to you privately.
The progression through the Soul Ages for the Roles could be described as a progression of emphasis from DOING to HAVING to BEING. Infant and Baby emphasize DOING. Young emphasizes HAVING. Mature emphasizes the reconciliation between HAVING and BEING. And Old emphasizes BEING.
Understanding this can help lend insights into the various Soul Ages and how the Roles manifest.
Now we will walk through the Roles as they might be understood in Mature and Old Soul contexts.
Mature Servers tend to find themselves struggling with the reconciliation of Having Recognition, and Being Helpful.
Over the course of the Young Soul Age, it finally occurs to the Server on a profound level that it is okay to be recognized, praised, rewarded, and that a reciprocating circuit of energy is vital to sustaining Service.
Service is not a one-way circuit. One cannot serve where it is not received, and one cannot continue to serve without some form of exchange of nurturing at the very least.
For many lifetimes previous to the Young Soul Age, this nurturing is either neglected until it cannot be any longer, or it is found in breaks between Serving. The Young Server then tends to use that entire Age to "catch up" on self-service to the extent that it can.
In the Mature Age, then, the reconciliation begins between having that necessity of exchange in nurturing, and the core Being that seeks to serve in meaningful ways.
Mature Servers, then, tend to be extremely busy, pulled in many directions, internally and externally, while they struggle with issues of utter availability and ineffective over-extension.
The eventual reconciliation comes when the Mature Server only offers service when it can.
The Old Server now emphasizes Being, and in this case, Being Helpful. At the very core of the Server is the design to HELP.
(An aside: At first, all design in the early Soul Ages is manifested as compulsion as the default design is relied upon, but eventually becomes impulsion as the capacity for conscious choice grows.)
Old Servers often do not "serve" at all in the capacity that one would think of as serving. The Mature Soul is ACTIVE. The Old Soul is PASSIVE. In this case, the Old Server "passively" Helps.
The Old Server then begins to use exemplification as his or her means of offering Help. The entire life, self, and Being become the manifestation of Essence in that the Old Server WILL NOT allow himself or herself to suffer.
If help can be gained from that by another, then the Old Server may extend upon that, but it has learned that suffering is a useless experience and will refuse to Help at the expense of self, but will unconditionally Help those who are willing to give up suffering.
That may sound conditional, but it is not. It is simply a hard lesson learned that those who suffer most often choose not to be helped in any meaningful way.
We define "suffer" here as that state of intellectual and emotional overwroughtness that leaves no room for solutions.
Those who suffer in that way eventually learn that they are the only ones who can transform that experience, and all other influences are merely salves or addictions.
The Old Server does not cater to that endless dynamic.
The Mature Artisan has just come from an Age where it experienced being able to create and have everything it could possibly imagine within the constraints of resources at the time.
The Mature Artisan now enters into an Age that must reconcile Having What It Wants and Being Who It Needs.
Previous to this Soul Age, simply wanting something was often enough to have it, because it could either be created, or it could be discovered, and most of what was wanted was tangible and all "new" to the Artisan. In the Mature Soul Age, nothing tangible is "new" anymore, and what is most wanted is often intangible.
This causes a struggle for the Mature Artisan so that cravings can often show up as a distraction with "things" as a means to compensate for the intangible, or as rejection of "things" as a means to hold out for the intangible.
Mature Artisans can often find themselves in desperate relationships, devastating patterns of collapse and destruction, and manipulative methods for finding ways to be special. More than any other Role, this Role, in general, struggles with the inner battle between Specialness and Uniqueness.
What the Mature Artisans eventually realize is that it is THEY whom they crave, desire, and want more than anything "in the world."
Therein lies the reconciliation between Having and Being for the Mature Artisan.
Artisans tend to develop patterns that leave them functioning only as conduits, often feeling as if "they" are left out, or left behind.
During the Mature Soul Age, it is the first time in a long time that they "come home to themselves."
And recognize their vital part in the equation of their desires and wants.
Until that realization has been comprehended, there will be many instances where the Mature Artisan develops symbiotic relationships that continue to enforce the loss, or blurring, of self with environment or another.
The Old Artisan is often no longer concerned with creating tangible things, but struggles to make the entire life the creation, the work of art. Everything around the Old Artisan becomes symbolic and every symbol has meaning in relation to the self.
The Old Artisan, then, is often tireless in the effort to showcase the life, the Personality, and even the relationships as symbolic extensions of the Soul.
They become extremely sensitive to any deviation or distraction from their own symbology, and can often find themselves bewildered, hurting, and profoundly confused by these things.
They develop systems of symbology that work, but often do not realize that these are not always the same symbols or meanings that others will tend to use.
Eventually the Old Artisan realizes that there are a multitude of symbols and meanings for symbols that cannot be truly standardized, and this is when the Artisan is finally free.
In conclusion for the Old Artisan, if the freedom is not found through the realization of various symbolic systems, then that Artisan may find he or she begins to tunnel-vision into a closed network that only supports his or her system of symbols, and anything beyond that is either a threat, or is ignored.
Due to time constraints, we will do our best to streamline the details for each of the following Roles, and Troy will "flesh it out" for the final transcript.
We will address Old Warrior, Old Scholar, Old Sage, and Old Priest now.
We will include the rest in the final transcript.
The Old Warrior has now moved through the Mature Age that helped to reconcile the struggle between HAVING AMBITION and BEING SAFE. During the Mature Age, both of those terms become profoundly redefined so that "ambition" becomes "enthusiasm" and "safe" becomes "loved."
The Old Warrior then begins to naturally generate enthusiasm over emphasis on accomplishment and ambition, and begins to persuade circles of love from the self and from others as opposed to circles of protection and safety.
Protection is no longer seen in terms of defense against physical threats, but as a transformation of strengths through the capacity to love.
This may go counter to what is often understood as a Warrior, but the Old Warrior is done fighting, and seeks to share what it has found to be the most bountiful resource and strength in the universe: Love.
Of course, this can show up in many different ways and to several different degrees, but when the Old Warrior is manifested, it has a profound sense of safety in the world and seeks to extend that validity to others.
If the Old Warrior has not comprehended that sense of safety, he or she will often show up as emphasizing warnings, concerns, preemptive strategies, and constant over-anticipation.
The Old Scholar has now moved through the Mature Age that helped to reconcile the struggle between HAVING EXPERIENCE and BEING INTIMATE. During the Mature Age, the reconciliation between Experience and Intimacy is a long, often painful, road for the Scholar.
Much of what is considered necessary by the Scholar for Experience is to have as "clean" an experience as possible, which often means leaving others out of the inner world that processes these experiences.
QUESTION: Could you define intimacy in the sense of your meaning?
Intimacy here is meant as any form of Resonance, from sharing common ground to sex. The key being that it is INCLUSIVE, in that what is shared is not only mutual, but experienced as mutual.
More than any other Role, the Scholar struggles with issues of Intimacy, of feeling connected to others, of finding common ground, and of feeling embraced.
The Old Scholar has realized that Experience and Intimacy are not mutually exclusive, but Intimacy has been put off for so long for the sake of experiments, exploration, etc., that the world of Intimacy as an Old Soul is entirely new for the most part.
Because the nature of the Scholar is to observe objectively, then this search for Intimacy may often be approached from the angle of provision, in that IF it exists, then it must be something provided for the Scholar, and not something he or she must work to generate from the self.
Intimacy is such an amorphous concept to the Scholar that in the Old Soul Age, it will either feign intimacy as a means to have any kind of human contact at all, often leaving it to others to sort out the details, or to nurture that intimacy, or it will finally realize that he or she IS the source of intimacy, and begin to develop this from "the inside, out."
The issue for the Scholar is often that if it is not found externally, then it is not a valid Experience, and therefore is not to be trusted.
Ironically, anything that is already deemed as so amorphous that it cannot be trusted when generated within will also be deemed suspicious when generated from others.
Therefore, the key for the Old Scholar in his or her embrace of Being Intimate is to begin comprehending TRUST.
Trust is a mix of anticipated results and past experiences. It is not blind, and therefore it can be used by the Scholar.
When the Old Scholar begins to recognize his or her embrace of himself, he or she can then begin to embrace others. If the embrace of others is attempted before the embrace of self, then there will always be an equation that returns the Scholar back to the beginning.
They are highly mathematical that way.
Trust comes in as the gathering of experience grows to show the Scholar that he or she will not die because he or she reached out, and that one is not alone just because one might actually like oneself.
In short, the validity of Being for the Scholar cannot be proven through others, but the validity of others can be proven through the embrace of Being.
The Old Sage has now moved through the Mature Age that helped to reconcile the struggle between HAVING FUN and BEING HONEST. Now the Old Sage begins to emphasize Being Honest, even if it means at the expense of Fun.
Old Sages often begin to withdraw from the "stage" and move into tighter circles that value honesty and true communication. It is no longer appealing in any way to simply perform the life. For the first time, the Old Sage values the importance of truly being SEEN.
Even if there are a myriad of personas from habit and skill, the emphasis will still be there underlying every relationship and every opportunity: PLEASE SEE ME.
This starts out as a kind of panic for some Sages entering the Old Soul Age, in that their existence depends on the utter honesty and rawness of being SEEN, and this can show up in desperate attempts to be understood, clarifying themselves, over-explaining, etc.
This eventually levels out to a simple state of invitation.
The emphasis moves from needing to be seen exactly how the Sage sees himself or herself to an emphasis on understanding how others actually see.
This comprehension frees the Old Sage from the panic and loneliness of not being seen, and moves him or her into simply BEING HONEST. Once the Sage realizes that he or she cannot control how others interpret others, then Being Honest stands as an invitation, not as a prompt.
QUESTION: How much of this "role in essence" material applies to casting?
MEntity: All of what we have described can be extrapolated to apply to understanding Casting and Imprinting, in terms of Roles.
INTERJECTION: I've never thought of Imprinting being a co-equal on use of role descriptors
For many who live as the Role that most influenced them, it can be helpful for freeing the self by transforming the dynamic that keeps the imprinting locked in place.
Imprinting will always supercede Role and Casting, as Personality has the most control and influence while Physical.
We should say, Imprinting will always supercede Role, Casting, and Overleaves.
INTERJECTION: So, that's why it's especially important to figure out one's parents' profiles 🙂
What would be more important is honest self-examination to determine just how conflicted one is within himself or herself.
When Imprinting is useful, there is no conflict.
When Imprinting is harmful, there is often pain ranging from apathy to tremendous turmoil.
Harmful Imprinting ALWAYS shows up as the reprimanding voice that undermines your efforts. ALWAYS.
Harmful Imprinting ALWAYS shows up as any conclusive voice within that divides you and defeats you.
Your inherent nature, when free from harmful Imprinting, is truthful, loving, and energetic. When weighed with harmful Imprinting, you become divided with a dishonest, shameful, and undermining force against that inherent nature.
However, it must be understood that Imprinting is NEVER PERMANENT and can be shed at any moment.
If one struggles for any length of time with that Imprinting that is harmful, then some part of the self finds some value in it.
We define "harmful Imprinting" as any Imprinting that has been kept beyond the 3rd Internal Monad that does not serve the Personality and Essence in any helpful way.
QUESTION: why and how is it that a personality tends to manifest more essence as it progresses through the soul ages?
QUESTION: still don't understand this...
QUESTION is personality designed that way by essence?
The progression of Soul Ages is our way of describing a regaining of consciousness that allows for bridging between the Essence and Personality. That regaining of consciousness is done through experience. Therefore, in early lifetimes that have less experience, then it goes that less consciousness is involved, and thus less manifestation of Essence.
Even the Oldest of Souls must regain consciousness within a single lifetime, yet that regaining of consciousness is accelerated because of the sheer weight of experience previous to that lifetime.
It is not that manifestation of Essence does not happen within earlier lifetimes, but that the manifestation is specific to the degree of consciousness, relative to the degree of experience.
So an Infant Soul can manifest Essence fully into the lifetime, but most of that manifestation would still be within the contexts (or degrees) of Survival.
When an Old Soul is born into a body, that infant body is going to drool and wail and poop itself as it focuses on surviving. To that degree, that Personality's consciousness can manifest Essence.
As that body grows, so does its capacity for consciousness.
In that same way, the ROLE grows for ESSENCE.
The Role and Essence are two different things.
Therefore, the "body" that is the Role must grow over lifetimes as a means to manifest more of its Essence.
June 21, 2001
Troy Tolley, Channel
Note: This content has been corrected based on Troy’s acknowledgment of errors on June 26. Although the report is for two weeks, Michael included info regarding a shift in August.
Hello. We are here. We will begin with the Energy Report as it stands for the weeks between June 24 through July 7. We will comment momentarily that the energy over the past couple of weeks has built and will peak this weekend, for most of you. We speak in a wider meaning of “you” at this point.
This weekend will be a pivotal social experience for some of you. It is suggested that you take part in any events you have been invited to or are considering in any way. We do not wish to infuse any more meaning into this weekend than you, individually, would extract, but the energy is there for this to be a great change in your usual setting.
If you are in some way involved in a larger gathering or social event than you have been for a while, we suggest it is in an indication that you are, indeed, considering more of your Needs being responsibly fulfilled. If you are not involved in any events of this nature, it may be simply an indication that you are open to examining the more social aspects of yourself, responsibly considering your personal Needs before exposing yourself to a larger circle. Regardless, the themes over the next couple of weeks are, indeed, about exposure and even further reaching out to other fragments in Agreement, Karma, or any other connection.
Many of you older souls shy away from the more “silly” aspects of being “out there,” resigning from indulging in social activities and playfulness. It is not because you do not crave it, but that you feel as if “there are more important things to do.” Even if you believe you are a fairly playful and social person, as our channel here does, we still suggest that there is an opportunity this weekend, and over the next two weeks, to “let your hair down.” Your Chief Features will be highlighted, but only lightly, in relation to how you feel in groups, and as part of a group.
August 4 marks your next Parallel Shift; this one focusing on arranging, rearranging, adding, and moving away from people in your life. Any relationships that are not fulfilling to you on at least two levels (out of 4; Instinctive, Emotional, Intellectual, Physical), will more than likely dissolve. Any relationships that have been introduced within this year that are “new” and are fulfilling at least two of your levels (and reciprocated, of course), will more than likely take a serious, permanent turn. We include the next ten days or so as a period of time in “finding” some of the “new” relationships, as well. This does not have any bearing on relationships outside of this context, as anyone met after August will have different contexts and “reasons” of their own.
We do not mean to imply anything more or less about relationships outside of these parameters in the Energy Report; we are merely commenting on the nature of the energy at this time.
During this Nexus, you will be DIVERGING Parallels, primarily, meaning you will be in a period of potentially obvious Choice Making. Your choices will determine the nature of any parallels created or sustained.
We realize choice making occurs at all times, but during a Nexus, there are either MERGINGS or DIVERGENCES, primarily, and with Diverging, there is a heightened sense of needing to consider your choices. While during a MERGING, there is a sense of needing to sleep, wait, exhaustion, etc., as with the previous major Nexus.
We will begin with your questions, either about the Energy Report, or otherwise.
[MaryBV] Well, it is interesting that you brought this up, because I have been wondering about the nature of the TrueView list now that the membership has changed. Can you comment a bit on the purpose of the list now?
The “TrueView” list has several “purposes,” many of them personal to the participants. In and of itself, though, “TrueView” has as its “purpose” to house the elements of your Cadre and Energy Ring who are concerned with this Teaching as it can be applied in the lives of others. We do not mean “apply” in terms of recruiting or teaching it, yourselves, but rather, many of you are serious about how to translate the elements of your lives through the lens of this teaching, and utilize that insight as a means to help others.
We have seen a common denominator among those of you actively participating with “TrueView,” in that you are “working on yourselves,” not as a means to only “better yourselves,” but as a means to be MORE for others. Each of you appear to be “touchstones” for many in your contact circle, and whether subtly or more openly shared, your perceptions are used as a means to better your relationships, and this extends into helping others with their own.
If “TrueView” were to have a “Task,” it could be said to be “to comprehend and embody the importance of being Needed and Wanted.”
[ludmila] This changing of relationships you refer to, as happened with people unsubscribing from this list, and still others recently joining, does this mean the agreements have been filled or just changed, or is it that those people who left resonate more to another channeler?
Many Agreements were abdicated, while still others simply resonate more to other speakers. Those that have abdicated will find other Agreements to fulfill; those who were left with the abdication will find their second strings of Agreements to fulfill. Agreements are malleable, as you know, and are not Karmic in their fulfillment or abdication, for the most part.
Abdication though, does tend to bring out any Self-Karma for examination. The shift in the list you refer to certainly created a wave of self-examination and self-karma, mostly around acceptance and, as we said, the nature of being wanted and needed.
[Dewliet] Hi Michael. Aside from what Troy would call “sucky channeling,” what are some reasons for discrepancies in overleaves channeled by different people?
There are three facets to a Personality, the Akashic Records (or True Overleaves), the Perceived Overleaves; and the Projected Overleaves. The True Overleaves are just that, the True Overleaves. They are sometimes not understood or agreed with because they do not “match” the behavior the fragment appears to be exuding, but they are the Overleaves, nonetheless.
Due to Imprinting, a fragment can appear completely in opposition to his/her True Overleaves. No amount of valid channeling will bring awareness or validation to this fragment or those trying to comprehend them.
Perceived Overleaves are the Overleaves of another fragment as they are filtered through your own or a channel’s; it is how YOU see Other. Channeling the Overleaves of a fragment as they are being perceived by those around them can be very freeing and enlightening. This, then, can bring understanding and acceptance for that aspect of them and/or free the Perceived fragment from the confines of the imprinting and bring about the True Overleaves.
Projected Overleaves are those being attempted to as a presentation from the fragment in question.
Regardless of the True Overleaves, this fragment may have decided on a way of being and behaving that is conducive to certain tasks or images. This does not change their True Overleaves, but certainly affects how they are perceived. Channeling for that fragment or about that fragment can bring understanding and acceptance about the nature of their Ego and self-perception.
It can be said that the Perceived Overleaves can shed light on the nature of the fragment as they are expected to behave, while the Projected Overleaves shed light on how that fragment expects to be accepted. ALL versions of the Overleaves are “valid” in their own contexts. Many channels are not aware of these differences as Facets.
So, aside from “sucky channeling,” there is this to consider.
[Annette] Psychic Sylvia Brown has stated that the soul chooses three “exit points” for its lifetime – possible “outs” in case life isn’t working out and fragment chooses to return, or when fragment feels work is done. Can Michael comment on this?
[Michael_Entity] We have seen the average as being 5 Exit Points. We concur other than that minor point.
[Liiona24] During last report on Needs, the statement was made that we should watch our reactions and that those indicated where we needed to be doing more for ourselves, if I interpreted correctly. However, some needs appear to be “other” oriented such as Exchange. How is this resolved then, how does one meet a need for “exchange” unilaterally, for example?
[Michael_Entity] ALL Needs are only “Other-Oriented” in that they do require a certain circuitry for their fulfillment. What we mean in terms of these Needs as being the individual’s responsibility to fulfill, for instance: if you believe there is no fulfilling Exchanges in your life, then you would seek out more appropriate “circuits.” If you are trying to have a meaningful, deep, emotionally/intellectually/physically satisfying Exchange in a relationship that is not creating a circuit, then it may be appropriate to lose the expectations of that being your source. Exchange is not just about giving something to someone else, but that you are having True Communication on some level. Exchange can be satisfied even in the realms of financial investments, so it is not simply about Other. Their is no way to “unilaterally” be concerned with the Needs of Others, except in terms of what you feel you are comfortable in offering. You will all find your sources and matches in some way.
[JNelson] What emotions are goosebumps and the “chills” a physical manifestation of, not counting responses to temperature? Or intellectual manifestations of, for that matter.
[Michael_Entity] This could be called “Instinctive Realization.” It is the result of the Lower Centers responding/reacting simultaneously as PARTS of the Instinctive Center. This experience is always linked to “realization” on a level that bypasses all of the Lower Centers, but creates a release in them as Parts in the Instinctive Center. When this occurs, it is safe to say that the very base part of you has resonated to something rooted in fear or desire. Fear may be obvious, but when the realization is in desire, as it is meant here, is in the connection made on a level wherein you had no previous realization that you were “expecting” something of that nature.
[ClaireN] Would Michael please comment on the function of the pineal gland and any disorders that it may cause?
The Pineal Gland is related to what might be considered your Higher Emotional Center, 6th Chakra, or “Third Eye.” We have seen its function directly related to dreaming, astral perception, channeling, imagination, and true perception/love. It is highly affected by the amount of sunlight, or any light for that matter, that is taken in through the sense of sight, and as the light permeates the forehead. Those who have a block or “disorder” in this gland can tend to have fertility problems, menstruation problems, and inability to have imagination of an optimistic nature, inability to recall dreams, may have depression and sleep disorders.
One of the major contributors to the suppression of this gland’s ability to function properly is in the use of what is called “microwaves.” Food prepared in this fashion tends to carry within it “vortexes” of energy that, when integrated over a short period time, can lead to lack of motivation and lack of clarity for a future. The “vortexes” remain in the body, particularly affecting the Pineal, for an average of 7 years. We do not have a term through this channel to more adequately describe that which is transferred through the act of microwaving, but this will do.
The “vortexes” collect in the center of the food prepared, in a size approximately equal to a golf ball. Larger ovens preparing larger foods can create collections in sizes up to a tennis ball. Those who are overexposed or underexposed to sunlight can develop a disorder of this gland. Those who are overexposed to what is called Fluorescent lights are susceptible to this, as well.
We will conclude here. Good Night.
[Excerpt from Michael Speaks: January 2001]
[ludmila] There has been much talk lately about child-abuse. What kind of karma or agreements is involved in this? Specifically sexual abuse of children by adult authority figures
Child abuse is not a standardized event. There are many factors that may be involved in the experience of abuse, whether between adult and child, human and non-human, etc. Karma is either created or is being balanced, though it is very rare for an Agreement to be involved, except in the Old and Mature Soul Cycles. Abuse when linked to an Agreement is specifically, then, related to the imprinting required for the fulfillment of the Life Task. Whether the abuse is “used” effectively as a tool in that process will rely on the fragment and the use of the Overleaves, in general.
Abuse in relation to “Authority Figures” and children is not a category anymore than abuse from a stranger harassing a child on the playground. There are no definitions or differentiations that can create categories of abuse except in “styles” of abuse. We will say, however, that those who have experienced abuse as children at the hands of Authority Figures (assuming it is not a Karmic Formation), are generally balancing Karma related to Positions of Authority where Abuse was inflicted by “themselves.” As with all Burning of Ribbons, the Karmic situation is usually, simply, reversed.
We do not know if we have addressed the deeper issues of concern or question here, but we have answered the question as stated, as clearly as we can.
[mamajo] How can one tell when Karma is being created, and when it is an agreement to facilitate imprinting?
Any formation/burning of Karma interrupts and distracts the life in a deeply affecting way. Karmic Formation can usually be identified as lacking compulsion to be involved, but there is an element of shock and chaos. Karmic Burning of Ribbons is usually marked by a compulsion to remain involved far past logic and emotion and body would dictate otherwise, followed by a great relief when the Karma is burned. In the event of the Burning, much of what was so compelling is then seen in a bewildering light, as if you were in a trance the whole time.
In terms of facilitating Imprinting, the fragment being abused usually has a “bizarre” sense of safety and peace throughout the events. There is a creation of a strong support group outside of the event, in many of these cases, which are rare, as we said. The abuse as imprinting is heavily marked by this use of the experience as a platform for a greater vision or affect on the life in a discernible way, without referencing the abuse in a negative way.
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August 10, 2003
AGREEMENTS, CORDS, and PARALLELS
We will speak on the subject of what we refer to as Agreements.
"Agreement" is most directly defined within our teaching as a "casual, non-binding preconceived agenda created between two (or among many) for the sake of a mutual or directly impacting experience."
Before a lifetime is physically begun, the Essence has anticipated many contexts within the lifetime and in that anticipation knows that certain other fragments are required for certain experiences. As part of that anticipation, Essence seeks out fragments who share in similar paths, or who may need some reciprocating event, or who may simply be interested in the experiences being anticipated. There are a number of contexts for which preconceived Agreements are arranged. Some examples might be in the areas of Matedness, Child-bearing, and Pivotal/Facilitator experiences.
Agreements are made on a personal level and on a group level. Some of your Agreements are, for instance, to meet another fragment and try out Matedness. Some of your Agreements are, for instance, with a group of fragments, such as with your Entity and Cadre, to try out the teachings of a non-physical Entity during a span of lifetimes.
We remind you that Agreements are NON-binding. No Agreement is static, nor is it a commitment. It is an Agreement.
While between lives, the anticipation of the upcoming life can set up hundreds of Agreements, but as the life actually unfolds and the Personality is in charge of making decisions, the Agreements can be abdicated, delayed, or altered. The management of Agreements is usually done from the perception of Essence, so there is usually no need to be too concerned. As the soul grows in awareness, though, the participation of the Personality becomes extremely important in the process of Agreements. To accommodate the Personality and its own experience of navigating the Physical Plane, the Personality has complete "say" in creating, altering, or delaying any Agreements, regardless of plans generated before the life.
The Essence may have set up a Mate Agreement for a certain period of the life, but has come to find that the fragment in Agreement has taken up smoking and heavy drinking, which is far from compatible with the Personality. The Personality may have made it very clear to Essence through varying means that he or she is incompatible with a smoker or an alcoholic. In that case, new Agreements may be generated to accommodate the Personality. In other instances, the smoker may have died or be in alcoholic rehabilitation for the time frame of the original Agreement. This can result in an abdication or a prompting from the Personality to have Essence "set up something else." In other words, Agreements can be made at any time and are extremely malleable, including the wishes of the Personality.
Most fragments retain most of the original Agreements made before the lifetime, even if new ones are made, especially as an Older Soul because the perceptions as Essence vs. Personality become more and more synchronized for the creation of the life.
Agreements are made as Primary or Secondary. Primary Agreements are those made with the original intentions and participants, while Secondary Agreements are those made with fragments who agree to be “back ups.” If you have a Secondary Agreement, the fulfillment can come like a surprise compulsion or distraction until your life adjusts to the need for your participation in that Agreement. If you need one of your own Secondary Agreements to stand in, you may find a shift of direction that may seem surprising and disorienting at first, because the Primary Agreement has abdicated. Secondary Agreements are made when it is highly important for that particular experience to be gained. Some of our channels use these terms without comprehension and this can be confusing to the student. In those instances, we usually find our student through an alternative channel and clarify the context.
While the notion of Agreements may seem intangible, there are skills that can be developed by the Personality as a means to navigate the lifetime more consciously so as to fulfill Agreements, or attract/find those Agreements of interest. Many competent Astrologers, for instance, can calculate varying Agreements by looking at the transits occurring for an individual. We can elaborate on our astrological methods in another gathering, if there are those who are interested.
Agreements are fulfilled by entering what we call a Sequence. A Sequence is the steps taken to fulfill an Agreement that then become a kind of acceleration toward that fulfillment. Although Agreements can be abdicated, altered or delayed, once the Sequence has begun, the abdication or alteration can tend to have more impact.
If the alteration or abdication is mutual (or at least mutually understood), it is relatively uneventful, but if the abdication is one-sided, the effect can be as devastating or uneventful as the other fragment’s chosen reaction. Most of the stronger reactions to an abdication are in the realm of intimacy, such as Business Partnerships, or Mate Agreements. If two fragments agree to matedness, and one abdicates after the Sequence has begun, the experience can be quite painful. This does not mean one is obligated to an Agreement once one has started, but in the process of understanding Agreements, it is fair to consider the impact of your choices on your Agreements.
The fulfillment of an Agreement, once a Sequence has begun, can feel quite compelling, but it is not Karmic. Karma is a search for balance among extremes, while Agreements are a search for basic experiences.
Agreements are not always what would be considered "positive." Sometimes an Agreement can be as bizarre as making sure one is in the right place at the right time to have a car slide on ice to then impact another car, providing the other person with an exit point from the life. In fact, many "accidents" are simply Agreements. Synchronicity of events to fulfill agreements is neutral, but how you interpret those events is the key to how they impact you or another fragment.
We will begin taking questions now because of the limitation of time, but the subject is capable of being explored more deeply.
SilverOne126: how do you determine what is an agreement and what is monadal? How do the basics differ? thank you
MichaelEntity: External Monads ARE Agreements. [definition: External Monads are strong Agreements between 2 people to experience one side of a particular kind of classic relationship, such as Husband/Wife, Parent/Child, Slovenly/Meticulous, Hopelessly Loving/Hopelessly Loved, etc.] A Monad may seem more compelling because of the submersion in the Sequence, as mentioned previously, but it is still a form of Agreement. In the same way that one may make an Agreement for Matedness, one would make an Agreement to complete a Monad together. If a person is in a Monad, an Agreement has been struck. In the same way that any Agreement can be abdicated, any Monad may be interrupted, though the impact is quite strong.
slacnj: My question is, aside from being in the positive poles of Overleaves, how can you contact essence or other sources to attract more agreements if nothing is happening in your life?
MichaelEntity: When you have made conscious contact with Essence, you would then specifically determine what kind of Agreements you wish to attract/create/find. We have suggested to many of our students a method for examining Agreements in the life, and we will share that method briefly.
slacnj: if essence sets them up, you have to contact it to have them
No. In most instances, if you simply live your life as you choose, you will wander your way to any Agreements that may be standing. On the other hand, if you are an Older Soul who wishes to participate more in generating Agreements, you can use the method to follow.
Agreements are attracted/found/created among fragments through the finer connections shared among fragments “stretching” from the Chakras, or Centers. We refer to these connections as CORDS, an almost non-physical means of communication among fragments. Cording was evolved before language and is now so intrinsic to human interaction, it is quite unconscious.
While Cording is a phenomenon that is basic to any interaction, Agreements are a specific kind of Cording. Cords could be described as the frequency, or resonance of particular Chakras with another fragment's Chakra, most easily visualized as an elastic-like cord. If one were to have a general visualization of the auric body, one would find hundreds of cords streaming from the body out into the world and connected to loved ones, friends, and complete strangers. Of course, the “cords” are merely a means to visualize something finer, but the image works.
Cords coming from the "front" of your body are those you have consciously allowed to connect with you and your energy system. Cords streaming from the "back" of your body are those you have accepted unconsciously or out of obligation, etc., from people who are "leaching" your energy system.
Of course, ALL Cords are attached to you through some level of consent. The Cords are never imposed upon your energy system. In the same way that you might not realize you have food stuck in your teeth, Cording from "behind" is attained as easily.
Cords from the "front" are uplifting, energizing, and inspiring, while Cords from the "back" are draining, tiring, and depressing. Cords from the “back” can be those left from old relationship issues, from strangers curious about you, “crushes,” distanced relationships, being exposed publicly (such as on stage), etc. We use the words Front and Back as a convenience and as a means to simplify your visualizations, but there is not literally a front or back to your energy system.
If you wish to attract or create Agreements beyond the scope of the original life plan, you might begin with a practice of Auric Hygiene, visually cleansing your energy system of the draining cords, then inviting the new ones. Cords can be cleansed from your energy system by being submerged in water, or through a visualization process. If using water, we suggest simply "washing" the cords from your "back" as you shower or bathe, imagining the fine cords dropping from your back and freeing your energy. If just using visualization, we suggest "draping" a mesh “shawl” of gold light from head to toe, "burning off" the cords from behind. The mesh is visualized as a shawl draped over your head and around your shoulders, and down the length of your back. Imagining the shawl remaining on you throughout the day can help divert unwanted cording, as well.
To specifically invite or create an Agreement, one would clearly define/state/invite them. Consider exactly what it is you are inviting into your life, for what reason, and clarifying the potential mutual benefit. This would then need to be clearly stated to your Essence, either verbally, in writing, or as approaching sleep. Next, we always suggest INVITING an Agreement, since an Agreement involves another fragment accommodating your request. Imagine that you are making psychological room for this new agreement and ask yourself/Essence what steps need to be taken to attract this into your life. Pay attention to your impulses, trust your Essence, and comfort any desperation you may have.
There are two ways to repel any Agreements from being fulfilled: By never actively socializing or interacting with other fragments and by falling into a sense of desperation and neediness that can repel even the most loving of Agreements. If you do not interact with the world, you cannot fairly expect the world to find you on your couch in your living room, for instance. If you panic with emotional need and desperation, making no effort to nurture yourself in the ways you may wish another to provide you, then even the most loving of fragments may be repelled. Most Agreements are fulfilled because they will “make a difference” or because they are fun. To simply wish another fragment to rescue you from some aspect of your life, be it emotional or material, can be the equivalence of inviting a fragment into a “black hole.”
When you consciously INVITE an Agreement, and then turn lovingly back to your life, trusting the process, the space and time is then more easily generated to make those Agreements move into Sequences.
BradburySE: I want you to confirm or deny something, although I think you've touched on it already. Is it true, to say that an Agreement with another cannot be abrogated at the personality level once essence has decided absolutely to go ahead with it? If essence has decided to follow through, the personality can no longer abrogate the initial stages by moving away, for instance? And if essence has decided to "skip it", nothing the personality can do will make it happen?
No, that is absolutely false. Essence has no investments in corralling the Personality into some kind of contrived, “fated” funnel of experiences. Essence has as many parallels as needed to accommodate the varying reactions and decisions of the Personality across time. [NOTE from Troy: “Parallels” are dimensional “spin offs” of reality created when you make a major choice, leaving other choices behind. In truth, those choices are explored as well, in another version of reality just as “real” as the one you consider your own.] There will always be at least one version of the Personality that will seek to follow the original ideas of the Essence, but Essence finds great excitement in the creativity of the Personality as it makes its own decisions, creating far more avenues of experience than even Essence could generate from its perspective. Essence has a broader perspective of the life, but it relies entirely on the Personality for navigation through the Physical Plane.
Agreements are also flexible enough that they can shift, if necessary. If an Agreement was made to meet a fragment by bumping into him at a certain corner, and your Personality gets distracted by an ice cream parlor long enough to miss the meeting, the two Essences will find this humorous and simply reschedule. The Agreement is delayed or altered and Essence gets to experience the delicious joy of a spontaneous delight of dessert.
We will say, however, that if only one of the parties involved abdicates the Agreement, nothing can be done to force one back into an Agreement.
Kieran O Shea: What happens when two parallels die? Are they integrated into the essence?
Yes, if a version of the Personality "dies" in a parallel, it gets its own version of the afterlife, as it awaits the conclusion of all parallel versions of Personality. The afterlife and review experience is sustained until the last of the parallels "die" wherein the entirety of varying parallels are then examined by Essence. In most cases the next life begins with the knowledge and experiences gained across all of the previous life’s parallels. As the Soul ages and becomes more adept at creating lives, multiple separate starts of the next life can be of interest to Essence, which we refer to as concurrent lifetimes [having multiple bodies and personalities on the planet with the same time and space].
All of you here have had at least 3 or more versions of your Personality "die" in some parallels by now.
These deaths DO NOT affect the remaining Parallels.
flimflamdamn: is there some impact of that event in one's life?
MichaelEntity: Some fragments can begin to consciously or unconsciously bridge a few parallels and sense the deaths. This comes from a strong connection to Essence, and while the deaths may not strongly affect a sensitive parallel Personality, a vague sense of grief may be felt.
upstaate: is this life the main trunk and the rest are parallels?
There are many Parallels that could be said to make up the "trunk," but we remind you that even the most remote of parallels branched from the trunk are as "real" as any other. We also remind you that while friends, family, etc., can exist within the same space, some may be in their "trunk" reality while others are not. It has been thought that the ideal parallels would be as close to your "trunk reality" as possible, since this is the path most harmonious with Essence's original ideas for the life, but that is not necessarily the case. The reason for this assumption is because most of the branching parallels have been created from the decisions and choices made from the level of Personality, which can be made as a result of ignoring Essence. Any reality that disconnects from Essence can be difficult, and it is not unusual that a “branch” parallel is created from that disconnection. The “trunk” realities are inherently connected to Essence, so the perception can be that one “should” be as close to that trunk as possible, then. What many do not consider is that if any "branch" reality seeks to invite Essence as part of that path, harmony and connection is generated as much for that Personality as any other.
In all Parallels the Personality Overleaves are the same, but the use of the Overleaves may be very different.
It does not matter from which parallel "you" exist. You are as real as any other. Invite Essence to participate and co-create, if you choose.
We will conclude here. Our channel has had a long day of work with us. We realize there are many directions and depths we can explore in this topic, and we will eventually do so with those of you interested.
Good night to all of you.
March 4, 1999
Troy Tolley, Channel
Dreams and Symbols 1 of 3
Hello everyone. We are here.
We'll start off with the weather forecast as usual and comment on your shared exploration of symbols on your discussion lists today. We had mentioned in our last couple of interactions that some of you were looking to ANIMALS as symbols for where you were heading in your exploration of probable futures. It is clear that many of you partaking in the discussions today on your lists will be moving further into your EXTERNAL worlds and lending your presence to actions required there. The symbolism in your debate and exchange over where animals stand in terms of rights was obviously not the level of discussion occurring for yourselves internally, with your own Essences, but rather gauging where you individually stand with how much you are willing to give OUTWARDLY this year. Your debate was symbolic.
It is a difficult and enticing potential decision to be making yourselves available for outward interaction when you have mostly, for the past couple of years, (and some of you for the past four or five years), have been INWARDLY healing and improving. This period of time where your symbols showed up and where your reactions stood individually, brings up some very personal and deeply touched issues that have “just” been “healed” to a degree. What we mean by this is that any of you interacting with ANIMALS as symbols over the past few weeks, where animals were in dreams, or as in today's exchange in heated discussion, essence has suggested through these symbols that you might be “ready” to “go back out there”.
Many of you have been bored with your EXTERNAL worlds giving intensity and focused lessons in your INTERPERSONAL worlds. Though interpersonal relationships are far from being completed in terms of lessons, it is a period of time currently where many Older Souls are being called outwardly to be present in the world for more impact. We will say this: As the exploration of symbols comes to a close sometime into next week, we have seen those of you who have brought ANIMALS to the forefront of your symbolism each having some sort of Teacher/Student Agreements unfolding. We would suggest you trust your inclinations to “reach out” to those who ask.
Finally, March 12 through 14 appear to be pivotal days for most you gathered here. This is the overall window for your finalizing your decisions on an Essence and Personality level for:
1. How available you will be,
2. In what capacity you will be available,
3. For what length of time you will be willing to take focus off of your personal lives.
[k1] There are five us joining to gather on the internet to connect. Can you give us some advice on what the first focus might be? This is a regular committed group of students.
It appears to us that you have already decided that focus, which could be called “collective intuitive exposure”. Each of you are exposing to what capacity you are capable of intuitive EXPRESSION and RECEPTION, some of you will be receiving, while others EXPRESSING. Specifically we see 2 of you as expressing data that has been collected during your individual pursuits, while 3 of you are receiving, either through the 2 expressing or through their own heightened levels of development in your gatherings.
TOPIC: Dreams & Symbols
Dreams have become highlighted again, and usually are, during Parallel Shifts. This is one way with which to explore all of your options as ESSENCE and including Personality.
When one enters into Dream State, it is almost always entered through the Instinctive Center. The Instinctive Center acts as a mediating ground for determining what is to be experienced while the body is resting.
There are THREE levels or planes of Dreaming.
Out Of Body/Higher Centers
Depending on the nature of the Waking State prior to sleeping, you will enter Instinctive Center, assimilate or evaluate your experiences, and move on to either Astral or Out Of Body.
We will address the Symbolic Level first:
It is easily determined when in the Symbolic level because there are simply SYMBOLS everywhere. This is the level where most find quite elaborate fantastical worlds and strange interactions and props. While in this level, simple concerns of the day or registered events not consciously noted are brought to light and processed, stored. This is also where all of your Sub personalities interact and exchange their perceptions of events. All of the symbols experienced here MEAN SOMETHING, but it is only through individual analysis that one can truly determine their meaning.
We will note here that if one were to never discover the meanings of their internal symbols nothing would be lost except conscious interaction between inner and outer domains; it is certainly not NECESSARY to know the meanings of symbols in your dreams.
Why we share this information with our Students is simply because many of you are in a place where “inner” and “outer” are closer together, therefore knowledge gained in one area means breakthrough on many levels.
To move on: While in the Instinctive Center or Symbolic Level, depending on your particular Centering or Center “worked” that day, you will then move FROM the Symbolic through, for instance, the Emotional PART of the Instinctive Center. To elaborate then, the Instinctive Level or Symbolic Level would then have 7 “doors” through which to move. The most fantastical and indecipherable dreams are from the Instinctive PART of the Instinctive Center. You have remained in pure symbolism. This is helpful for processing experiences carried over from past lives, and certain parts of early life THIS lifetime. This is also the level with which many gain lucidity and claim Astral Projection, warning of dangers and fearful domains. This is due to the pure experience of Instinctive/Symbolic exploration while in a conscious state.
Now the next level, the ASTRAL level, is where most of you go next.
This is simply where you make your Agreements, learn from each other, play out Karma not requiring Physical presence, etc. The Astral Level is extremely fluid and still utilizes symbols (all levels do to a certain extent) and it is easily determined you have “been there” if upon rising you literally FEEL like you have “gone somewhere”. This is truly the realm of Essence. Where the Symbolic Level is about Personality and its Sub personalities, the ASTRAL is about Essence and its Personalities.
We will move quickly to the next level, realizing again the constraints of your time.
In rare designs of Personality and under certain conditions, Out Of Body experiences occur. This is able to occur since upon leaving the Symbolic, the consciousness moves through one of the Higher Centers. In this instance, literally, Essence AND Personality fuse and are able to sustain the Etheric Body in such a way as to remain within the Physical Plane without the constraints of a Physical reference. A fusion of energies rather rare within this time period of your species is experienced in this event. A more recent and not uncommon bridging of acceptance toward this level of dreaming is in Near Death Experiences.
This is merely the scratched surface of this topic, but we will take questions now in regard to the topic.
[M6] I dreamed I was with this chat group at a party in a beautiful and old apartment building. I felt I knew everyone and was excited to arrive. I had a specific task relating to a specific person. What level was this dream, and what did it signify about our relationships and work together?
[Michael_Entity] Although we have not elaborated on the more specific levels, this would be, from our perspective, the Astral, of course, and Intellectual Substrate. The significance would be an angle with which you need to explore. This dream is incomplete in its exploration. We see this as a sequential dream.
[Note from Otterly [aka Troy Tolley]: I hadn't heard of this before and will be getting more on it. We will be continuing this topic at the next meeting].
[El] I just wanted to ask how one can remember the astral work?
[Michael_Entity] The dream experts are correct. Upon rising, a simple noting of certain memories from dreaming, even if vague, is the most effective route toward Conscious Recall. When looking over your notes it is also an extended exercise for the conscious waking self to fill in the gaps with imagined experiences. This means, if you can't remember what ACTUALLY occurred, it is not amiss to pull up creative ideas based on what you wrote, drawing still from your unconscious/dreaming self. Be creative.
[Jn] I have some rather similar dreams where I am in familiar places (in dreams, not in physical) and met with familiar people. Are these dreams contacts from entity mates? Are we meeting for our entity task? BTW, what's my entity task?
[Michael_Entity] Many of these contacts, in your case, as we see it are more than your Entity Mates, they are your Essence's manifestations through time; past life selves. You are in a lifetime where gathering knowledge from a multitude of similar selves across time is a regular resource for your present self. So this is more of an element of Essence Task not necessarily an Entity Task although they are linked. The Task of your Essence (or one of your Personal Life Tasks) then would be “gathering personal definitions of strength through recollected knowledge”.
[Mn] To which level would you liken Jung’s archetypes of the collective unconscious? And can you say anything about following his methods of dream interpretation, or is it better to devise your own?
[Michael_Entity] Archetypes are Waking State Symbols. We have not covered this yet here. Though they DO spring from the Astral Collective ideas (or Unconscious Collective), they are still an outward manifestation. We will cover waking state symbols in our next exchange, and the levels involved. As far as Jung's method of dream interpretation, we find it heavily flawed in that it negates the individual to a great degree. There were clues here to levels of information about Collective Unconscious/Astral Collective, but to apply it to dream ANALYSIS moves one in a direction where his theories are less workable.
[a1] On what level does lucid dreaming occur?
[Michael_Entity] ALL levels. It can occur on any level. Lucid Dreaming is an umbrella term. To be LUCID simply means you are conscious while on the level of dreaming being experienced. There are levels in which it is more difficult to attain this state, particularly the Instinctive PART of the Instinctive Center. Although, ironically, this is the first level to gain notoriety for lucidity due to its bizarre landscapes.
[fg] I've had many dreaming experiences, some of which I thought were conscious out of body experiences. From what was said here they seem on the other hand to be rare. Last night I had such a dream. Have these dreams I'm speaking of not been conscious OOB? Is it a case of just being lucid astrally speaking?
[Michael_Entity] You are correct. Lucid Astral Dreaming is most often mistaken for Out Of Body. We will say that Lucid Astral Dreaming seems to the be the popular chosen route as a “springboard” for OOBEs. The experiences on the Astral, while lucid, gives the Personality some stability in its preparation for completely disengaging from Body. It does require extremely heightened consciousness to sustain the Etheric body while moving through the Physical Plane, or heavily sustained injuries “knocking” the Etheric out of the body, Personality intact. Note we did not say you have not had an OOBE, in fact you have. It is through your studies and examinations of the minute differences between the ASTRAL and your OOBE that you will then be able to maintain an “open door” out of the body, if you wish.
[s5] Bridging of Acceptance and death scapes, how are these two subjects intertwined? Where does one's own creativity intrude?
[Michael_Entity] If you are referring to our information about Near Death Experiences being a bridge to acceptance of “natural” OOBE, this is simply because your species has chosen to take this route of exposure for this realm. Those sharing their experiences are in a position of influence on a “grass roots” level. Though many contributing to this phenomenon are Late Baby Souls, they are nonetheless contributing to the acceptability of “something” valid in terms of consciousness beyond the body.
[s5] I am just trying to understand which is which?
[Michael_Entity] S, ‘which is which’?
[s5] What is created vs what is real? Or once created does it become real?
The reason for your confusion comes from the fact that there is no defining boundary. That is why a valid form of dream recollection is to “make up” the parts you do not remember upon waking.
We will take another question, then complete the session.
[ha] Back to the OOBE line; I had an unusual experience where I felt like I was lying on top of myself, what would this indicate—OOB or lucid dreaming? Or something other?
[Michael_Entity] This is the beginning of OOBE. You are becoming lucid “too quickly”, drawing yourself “back into” the body.
[ha] Yes, I totally understand. I'm of two minds about whether to go or not.
[Michael_Entity] We will share more of the details of these levels of dreaming for Otterly [aka Troy Tolley] to put on his web site. We can continue in our next exchange. We will close the session now. Good night.
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This topic continues in Michael Speaks -- Dreams and Symbols (Part 2 of 3)