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DanielaS posted a topic in 2012 Michael Speaks12:31 PM 7/22/2012 MICHAEL SPEAKS Consumerism vs Citizenry Channel: Troy Tolley [MEntity] Hello to each of you. We are here, now. Barely, but here. We will continue to move more into focus as we deliver on the topic of choice. [MEntity] We understand the topic of interest to be that of the shift between what might be referred to as a paradigm of Consumerism to a paradigm of Citizenship, or Citizenry. [MEntity] This is, basically, the shift between a Young Soul Paradigm and a Mature Soul Paradigm, except in specific terms of how one's interactions in the world contribute to that paradigm, and not just how one experiences it. [MEntity] The levels of paradigm we describe by Consumerism vs Citizenry are levels most applicable to the environment of economy and resources. [MEntity] While any group is sharing a paradigm of Consumerism, the aim is primarily toward COLLECTING. [MEntity] While any group is sharing a paradigm of Citizenry, the aim is primarily toward CONTRIBUTION. [MEntity] A paradigm, here, is the larger context in which everyone is expected to participate, and is taught as being a meaningful or appealing value, both in the positive and negative poles of that paradigm. CONSUMERISM AND COLLECTING [MEntity] In the paradigm of Consumerism with its aim for Collecting, this value is regarded as meaningful and appealing, when the Collecting is done through hard work, exploitation, entitlement, investment. [MEntity] Any way to Collect. To take one's part. [MEntity] This paradigm is not good or bad, but simply another way of sharing the experiences of the world. [MEntity] However, when there is a paradigm for Collecting, the dynamic inherently implies a constant imbalance as each tries to take as much as possible. [MEntity] This paradigm, then, inherently brings with it poverty, extremes of Class, Racism, Slavery, Theft, and even violence, as the means for Collecting. [MEntity] This paradigm supports the entire spectrum between earning and taking, as long as there is an aim for Collecting. [MEntity] We will define "Collecting" here as an aim geared toward personal gain, meaning, motivation, fulfillment, satisfaction, craving, longing. [MEntity] Everything that is shared in terms of an economy and resource is subject to this spectrum. [MEntity] Those who do not wish to participate in that paradigm will be pushed to the edges of it, so to speak, and will "play by their own rules," but as quietly as possible so as not to bring attention to the breaking of rules set for that paradigm. [MEntity] As Consumerism is quite in line with the Young Soul, the Young Soul does quite well within this paradigm, and enjoys the spectrum in many ways. It is exciting, competitive, and, forgiving the pun, consuming. [MEntity] Regardless of Soul Age, a paradigm will be an insidious part of any fragment's life. [MEntity] Regardless of how conscious a Personality is, and how Manifested the True Personality and Essence, there will, inherently, be some level of the self that willingly or unwittingly "plays the game." [MEntity] Essence and Personality are not victims of a paradigm, but simply agree that if being born into a paradigm, there would naturally be some sense of it. [MEntity] It is already difficult, if not impossible, to escape the imprinting from a culture and society, even if the imprinting from caretakers is lifted. Therefore, it is more often than not, embraced to some extent, even if the Personality is resentful of it. [MEntity] In this case, in order to "ride the rides" of this paradigm, then at least "some of the tickets" must be bought, if you will. [MEntity] It is rare, and certainly of no significant nobility, for an Old/er Soul to opt out of a paradigm that does not cater to an Old Soul. [MEntity] In fact, it is often just the opposite: the Older Soul relishes in the opportunity to call upon the "younger" perspective for new experiences from a broader perspective. [MEntity] Old Souls do not flock to the pastures for retirement and tree-hugging, though many do, but often for the satisfaction of False Personality, than anything, in those cases. [MEntity] If Old Souls wanted to avoid the struggles of a paradigm, they know full well by now that all one has to do is wait for the cycles to turn, and a more comfortable paradigm will emerge. [MEntity] Instead, Old Souls tend to flock to the most challenging of paradigms for the sake of a more complete experience. It is of no coincidence that many can say, "If I knew then what I know now." A return to High School with your adult awareness would change everything about how your choices would be made. [MEntity] Essence gets to do that. [MEntity] The Old Soul in a Consumer paradigm is like going back to High School, and making choices from a more adult perspective. And it is never quite what was anticipated. [MEntity] Many Old Souls get through the entire incarnational cycle of lives without an Old Soul paradigm in place. [MEntity] No specific paradigm is necessary for any Soul Age to evolve. Your evolution is your own, and dependent only on your choices, and what you do with them, both as Personality and Essence. [MEntity] The shift in paradigm is moving, though, and living during a shift is always enticing to every Soul Age. [MEntity] Every global shift tends to attract nearly all fragments still incarnating. [MEntity] One of the reasons a shift takes "so long" is because there are usually not enough bodies to go around for everyone to be involved at once, so it is a gradual process that each gets to experience in unique ways that either passively or actively engages with it. [GeraldineB] that's interesting -- similar to when ISs manifest [MEntity] Geraldine, the Infinite Soul tends to Manifests directly in relation to a shift in paradigm. so the shift and/or the Infinite Soul is attractive. [GeraldineB] Oh, that's right, JC came in during the last shift [MEntity] Not all shifts must be accompanied by the Infinite Soul and the Logos. [MEntity] Only those that may be sensed as going terribly awry. [GeraldineB] I will have to ask you deeper questions on that during my Project [MEntity] Though it may seem as if there is a lot of leeway, there is an awareness on the scale of the Infinite Soul that can calculate the probabilities of devastation with either little, or no, recovery for the species. [MEntity] All fragments eventually get to participate in a Manifestation of the Infinite Soul (as it is part of the Soul Ages), as there will always be at least one parallel version of existence that is headed for devastation. [MEntity] In other parallels, a Manifestation has already taken place in the wake of devastating nuclear war, which was averted "here." [GeraldineB] yes . . .back in the 80s [MEntity] The Manifestation would have been around the millennium mark. [MEntity] Though the war was earlier, yes. [MEntity] For now, "this" parallel (and a great many of its parallels) appear to be doing well in terms of evolving the shift in paradigm. [MEntity] In the parallels that did not do so well, there were fewer Old Souls in bodies. It should never be presumed that one's mere presence does not make a difference. [MEntity] When we say "did not do so well," we do not mean this on the scale of Essence, as all of it is meaningful and valuable, but for the Personalities, "better" can mean the difference between painful suffering and comfortable growth. [MEntity] The shift now into Citizenry is one that is a move away from Consumerism, but not excluding it. No shift in paradigm leaves one behind, but finds a way to build it into the new one. CITIZENRY AND CONTRIBUTION [MEntity] Citizenry will not eliminate competitiveness and Collecting, but would move it to the side as an emphasis, and bring into focus a new aim of meaningfulness and value. [MEntity] Citizenry here would be defined by us as Conscious Participation. [MEntity] As we said, Citizenry aims for Contribution as the predominant value and meaning instilled for that society, but would include a wide spectrum for how this plays out. [MEntity] This can play out in the forms ranging among philanthropy, charity, mutual benefit, sharing, homogenization, global government, "one world" [MEntity] Citizenry corresponds to a Mature Soul perspective, which can be understood as the Baby Soul perspective, Exalted. [MEntity] The pressure to conform can be very similar to the Baby Soul paradigms, but with the aim for the benefit of each other, and not a central authority. [MEntity] The precarious key here is in deciding what is beneficial for all in a way that does not harm. [MEntity] It is a Mature Soul concept couched in Young Soul terms (or vice versa, for some). [MEntity] Citizenry cannot function well with the part of the phrase "do what thou will." [GeraldineB] LOL -- no, we're finding that out [MEntity] Unless that "will" is conscious in its awareness of impact on others. [MEntity] That level of consciousness awareness is one that does not evolve "overnight," though the concept and paradigm of Citizenry will have been in place long before that development. [MEntity] So that phrase is a helpful bridge, and has been in place for many for some time, in some form. [MEntity] As Citizenry gathers up a momentum of conscious awareness, the shift, ironically, moves away from "so long as it harm none," to "so long as it benefit any." [MEntity] This would mean that anyone who would be impacted by the choices and actions within that paradigm were somehow AT LEAST capable of being benefited. [MEntity] It is not presumed that everyone will share the same will, of course, but that the aim would be for Contribution, at the very least. [MEntity] When the aim is only for avoiding harm, choices can become clouded by fears, frustrations, guilt, defensiveness, etc. but when there is a realization that a choice may benefit more than just the self, the aim can tend to be light, fueled by enthusiasm, and creativity. [GeraldineB] Would GMO (Genetically Modified Organisms) fall in the Contribution category as they purport to give larger crops due to being less susceptible to insect damage -- yet they cause corollary damage and some allergies [MEntity] Geraldine, such things would fall into the category of "benefit any," so long as there is actual benefit, and benefit that can be opted into or out of without the cost of another benefit. [MEntity] For instance, if this is the only choice for food, or if that foodstuff is not labeled for the sake of choice, then this is not considered a "benefit to any." [Martha] but Monsanto is trying to own the market and take away farmer's choices, does that outweigh the benefit? [MEntity] However, if without that option there is no other choice, then it would fall into a category of "benefit" for that group. [MEntity] Martha, your point supports our clarification that Citizenry, Contribution and Conscious Participation, always involves an expansion of choice, not a narrowing of it. [MEntity] This may be contextual, in that a starving group may find GMO to be its saving grace of benefit and expanded choice, while an abundant society with GMO imposed may not. [MEntity] However, the entire concept of GMO would have begun to fall by the wayside in a truly embraced paradigm of Citizenry, since this economy would lean toward a Resource-based economy, and would not require such extensive measures to create or sustain food sources. [MEntity] Issues of starvation begin to fall away, as well, since the sharing of resources for the benefit of more than Collecting becomes emphasized. [MEntity] Resources begin being looked at in terms of how they can help others, not in how they can protect, defend, and be withheld. [MEntity] Even the motivation for career and income move toward how one can Contribute, not just Consume. [brian] Michael, you said that the Young Soul aim might be described as COLLECTING and the Mature Soul aim might be described as CONTRIBUTION. For the sake of completeness, what themes might you use to describe the Baby Soul and Old Soul paradigms? [MEntity] Brian, that might be for Infant an aim for SECURING, and for Baby, and aim for CIVILIZING, and for Old an aim for EXPERIENCING. [MEntity] To make it easy to understand, one could add "use money for.... _____" and fill in the aim. [MEntity] Old Souls tend to use money for Experiencing. [MEntity] Mature Souls tend to use money for Contributing. [MEntity] Young Souls tend to use money for Collecting. [MEntity] Baby Souls tend to use money for Civilizing. [MEntity] Infant Souls tend to use money for Securing. [MEntity] Of course, "money" might not be what is used, but whatever is the exchange of that economy. [MEntity] No matter what the dominant paradigm, a Soul Age will tend to "use money" for whatever the aim is for that Soul Age, even as they play by the rules of the dominant paradigm. [MEntity] For example, even in the paradigm of Consuming, the Old Soul will tend to gladly gather money, forgo money, spend money when it brings Experiences. MORE QUESTIONS: [MEntity] We will open the floor now to more questions such as these, as we know Troy must comply to a time limit in his current environment. [Bobby] my question was based on right now I feel like money to me is more about security. I suppose that really depends on what is going on in one's life at the moment as well as the major paradigm they find themselves in, correct? [MEntity] Bobby, as money is currently used within a paradigm of Consuming, with an aim for Collecting, then when one is not able to consume what one is used to consuming, or expects to consume, it can cause great stress. [MEntity] When there is no paradigm in place for Citizenry with an aim for Contribution, there is little to consider as a network of support for fluctuations in what one can Contribute. [MEntity] As long as there is a paradigm of Consuming in place, there will be a paradigm of lack, and the subsequent prompts for what is necessary to remedy that. [MEntity] If that might require help, there may be shame attached to it. If that might require enduring a great shift in what was expected or familiar for Consuming, there can be a great deal of fear provoked. [MEntity] The only remedy for the Older Soul is to INCLUDE its own paradigm as valid. [MEntity] In other words, regardless of income, finances, comfort, there is EXPERIENCE here. [MEntity] This does not mean that the Old Soul would embrace starvation because it is a glorious Experience, but more that the embrace of something such as that as simply being a rich resource of Experience, solutions can tend to come much easier. [MEntity] Embracing whatever paradigm is useful within the grasp of your Soul Age is helpful. This might mean embracing the paradigm of Citizenry, and allowing yourself to ask for help, and to do what you can to help, so as to create that circuit in the life. [MEntity] It will not negate the dominant paradigm, but can, at least, expand paradigms. [MEntity] Thus, expanding solutions, feelings, perspectives, resources. [MEntity] Another way to look at the situation would be in terms of drawing from your rich resources of Experience as a means for helping bring you back into a sense of security. It is not so much that you need to see the current situation as rich with experience, but that you have a bank of experience that is already useful. [MEntity] On the other hand, Security is one of the 9 Needs, and this can tend to be a theme of exploration, regardless of what economy or paradigm is in place. [Maureen] I know this is far off future, but ...Will the Resource Economy start with a Mature Soul world and move into a more "progressed" form in an Old Soul world? What will be the biggest "change" to experience from Mature to Old - especially for Older souls? [MEntity] The shift of economy for most Mature to Old is toward bartering. A resource-economy would have already been in place for this, as well as a sense of support for any individual's sense of Contribution. [MEntity] Contribution then feeds into Experiences. Foods and Goods are not as valuable as experiences. [MEntity] Food and Goods would tend to have become so freely shared that lack is a foreign concept, except in terms of experiences, and this is what would then be bartered, specifically in terms of how one might be instrumental in helping to aim for experiences. [Maureen] Do you have an example for us? [MEntity] There are many examples of this via what is called the Internet. [MEntity] A great amount of resources for expanding upon one's experiences is available there. [MEntity] And often in terms of barter, which is not always specifically negotiated, but implicit. [MEntity] Simple participation in the web site generated by each of you as "TLE" is an example. [MEntity] There are few, if any, conditions on what is exchanged, with benefit freely offered and received, with Experience as a great part of the aim. [MEntity] That is a working example of something similar that might play out on a large scale. [EricM] Bit of an overarcing question, but Is this the first time humanity has ever experienced Mature as a predominant paradigm, or has it happened in the past (or alternatively, might it return to a predominantly young paradigm in the future)? I ask, as I’m trying to clarify how these shifts have happened (i.e. are they more linear or have they had cycles/starts and stops). [MEntity] It is not the first time, and it will not be the last, and while there tends to be a fairly linear cycling on a global scale, they are built from sub-cycles with those that may or may not be linear or obviously connected. [EricM] oh, and examples are appreciate as well :) [MEntity] Dominance of paradigm and Soul Age is entirely dependent upon those incarnated and participating in the world. [MEntity] Every cycle of "recorded history" tends to be a set of sub-cycles that lead up to a global manifestation of the average Soul Age of the entire Design. [MEntity] Most of what is currently understood as recorded history only maps the return to an emphasis on Infant and baby, and then a shift into Young. [MEntity] We must conclude here for today, as Troy's time has come to a close in his environment. [MEntity] Good day to each of you.
DanielaS posted a topic in 2013 Michael Speaks12:55 PM 1/27/2013 Michael Speaks "The State of the World" Channel: Troy Tolley MEntity: As the topic in request is that of our perspective of "the state of the planet," we will begin with a review of what we see as the "Overleaves" for the time frame of 2013: MEntity: Though we cannot usefully predict anything of any meaningful use, we can describe the general, collective tone and context of themes for a year by assigning a Role. In the same way that we can describe an Essence as being a certain Role, we cannot conclusively describe how that Role will show up, but we can describe fairly consistent symptoms that are inherent in that Role. MEntity: Or, rather, characteristics inherent in that Role. MEntity: 2013 appears to be a year best understood with characteristics described by SAGE. MEntity: This means the year would most likely tend toward patterns, issues, and themes of truth, communication, learning/teaching, drama, laughter, playfulness, and innocence. These are quite broad terms, so it is important to understand what we mean by this so that one can validate and benefit from understanding the tone of a year. MEntity: On a more collective scale, the themes, patterns, and issues as described by a Role would tend to show up in the dominant theatrics and media and politics and other collective arenas on the planet. MEntity: On a personal scale, knowing the Role of the year can help one to find more immediate solutions to challenges between the self and "the world," understand the dynamics of those interactions in the world, and understand your part in the contribution to collective evolution. MEntity: It is not that events and exchanges would be created by the energy of the Role, but rather that events would tend to be most easily understood and tended to through the understanding of the Role. MEntity: For example: the tragedy that took place in the area known as "Sandy Hook" was directly related to the launch of the Sage year. MEntity: This event was not something planned to make any point, of course, but that its unique launch into the spotlight was greatly because of the themes of interest this year. However tragic this scenario may seem to be, in any other year, it may not have gained the same attention or momentum of meaning. MEntity: However, in a Sage year, this event's association with children, innocence, and the truth of an issue was regarded as extremely meaningful to those participating in the world. MEntity: It's overlap from 2012 helped to highlight the divide generated by Stubbornness, played out by those in Obstinance and those standing up to the Obstinance through Determination. MEntity: As the Stubbornness fades from focus over January, the sense of need for Determination will fade, as well, and the work of change would become much easier for addressing the truths that the event brought to consciousness. MEntity: The Center is another term we use to help describe a collective tone and theme for a year. MEntity: This year appears to be more Intellectually-focused. MEntity: This means more expressiveness, more ideas, more philosophical pondering, more emphasis on thinking before acting, more organizing of emotions and actions. MEntity: In a year that is Intellectually-Centered and Sage, the trends would tend toward ideas to protect children, enrich communities, enhance schools, and make decisions and choices from thought. MEntity: Usually, the first obvious, major event of a year can help exemplify the collective tone and theme of a year. There are many events that could be described as "major" and "obvious," but on a collective scale relative to our students, something like the tragedy of "Sandy Hook" would, clearly, be this example. MEntity: This ties into the Goal of the year, as well, which tends toward emphasis in January through March. This year can be described as aiming for FLOW, with some sliding to Acceptance and Discrimination. MEntity: The surrender to the necessity for gun control, for example, is Flow working in as a theme, with issues around "freedoms" coming up, and played out in spectrum between those who know that this must be addressed in some meaningful way versus those who are simply in Inertia (the negative pole), locked into their momentum of defense. MEntity: There is a near-inevitability for any Mature Soul culture to give up its addiction to weaponry, and it is beginning to take hold in the United States as the Priest who is known as President Obama continues to anchor Mature Soul paradigm as a norm. MEntity: The fears rising in response to the idea of gun control come from the experiences of life in a world ruled by Young Souls, and populated with many Baby and Infant. The necessity for weaponry was valid, and remains valid to some extent, of course. MEntity: As the planet moves toward a Mature Soul norm, nearly all of the ideals of the Young Soul paradigm begin to fall, such as competition, privacy, and defense. These concepts no longer serve the Mature Soul. MEntity: These concepts do not disappear, but find less emphasis and more organic positions in one's life, rather than as front and center as priorities. MEntity: There would still be a concept of privacy, competition, and defense in culture of the oldest of souls, but these would tend toward a refinement that may be very difficult for those of you in the current paradigm to even conceive. MEntity: For example: the Mature Soul discussions over gun control are not looking to be fulfilled through tactics of defense, competition, or concern for privacy, but with tactics aimed toward collective trust, networks of support, and education. MEntity: The Mature Soul paradigm is inclusive of the Young Soul paradigm, so the concern for privacy and the need for defense would tend to be accommodated for those who still require that as a focus, and the mere discussion of gun control satisfies the competitiveness of the younger souls as they fight against any encroachment upon their individuality, even as the approach from Mature Souls is not with this intention. MEntity: As the subject of gun control in the United States is quite sensitive, the approach toward it in an Intellectually-Centered year is beneficial, as there would tend to be a support for even the most resistant of individuals to have access to the thinking involved for why this is a beneficial measure for a society. MEntity: So as 2013 unfolds, we think our students will begin to see more and more of the effects of anchoring of Mature Soul paradigm, played out specifically through those qualities inherent in descriptions and spectrums of the Sage and Intellect, expanding rather quietly and gently through the Goal of Flow. MEntity: Rather than speak to general contexts relative to the state of the planet, we will now open the floor to questions about what we have shared already, and questions relative to the topic, in general. MEntity: QUEUE IS NOW OPEN Diane_and_Tex: From Tex: There has been a lot of war-like chest-beating between China and Japan, and to a lesser extent other Pacific Rim countries, and India against China. Structurally, the situation is similar to the defense relationships before WWI, an illogical war with no possible positive outcome for anyone. There is no logical reason for what is happening now, either. Populations in Japan and China and the Philippines all feel threatened by each other and want revenge while trading mightily with each other. What are the chances for a stupid war? MEntity: "Chest beating" is an apt description of nations shifting from Baby to Young, which is fairly inclusive of all you describe. When the Baby shifts into Young, in the same way that a "tween" shifts into teenhood, there comes a phase of rebellion. MEntity: Though precarious on large scales, it is a healthy part of the process of a nation and its peoples to establish their individuality and their collective identity. MEntity: However, the dominant Soul Age of the species will tend to influence how the various Soul Ages manifest. MEntity: In Infant, Baby, and Young paradigms, war is quite easily launched as a potential solution to differences. MEntity: Only when there is Mature Soul anchoring of paradigm is war more often avoided than not. MEntity: If the Mature Soul paradigm continues with the anchoring that we see happening, then the "chest beating" would tend to remain only as that, and be used for display when negotiating differences. MEntity: As with many teens, the rise of a collective consciousness into Young Soul Age is wrought with internal conflicts over needs, demands, resources, and issues of self-identity, and so it is for a country or nation whose population is awakening to concepts of individuality from within a Baby culture. MEntity: We would say that, despite resistances and controversy, one determining factor contributing to stability in other shifting nations is the successful leadership of the United States' current President. If that continues along lines of successful policy changes, bringing more anchoring of a Mature Soul paradigm, then other Soul Ages on the planet would tend to align their behaviors within that paradigm. MEntity: War would not be such an easy reaction, but one that is regarded with consequences beyond the satisfaction of assault or retaliation. Diane_and_Tex: Tex: That's my hope Kathryn41: Also what are the soul ages of the leaders of China and Japan? MEntity: Both the current Prime Minister of Japan, and President of Republic of China appear to be early Young Souls. Kathryn41: Is this perspective focused primarily for North America/the US or will this perspective also be evident in other countries? In other words, how do you perceive these overleaves being expressed in other geographic locations, such as the Middle East, the European Union, Asia, etc?etc? MEntity: There are a few different sets of overleaves that we deliver through our valid channels to accommodate the circle of students of that channel, or to accommodate the specific requests of that channel. In most cases, our delivery of overleaves is relative to the students who may resonate with the channel. Their reading of that set of overleaves is directly beneficial to their understanding of the overleaves, and then they extrapolate that understanding to their world view. In some cases, such as with this channel, the request is to bypass accommodation of the students, and to hear our own interpretation from a collective, planetary perspective. MEntity: In the same way that we have described one as having Personal, Public, and True Overleaves, so are there these similar ways to interpret collective patterns over time. For some students who do not interact much with the world-at-large, the Role on a "personal level" for the year may make more sense to be described to them differently. For those who are quite active in the world, a different Role might make more sense to them as describing the year in a more "public" way. And those overleaves shared from our perspective should be most easily inclusive of both of those. MEntity: Sometimes all of these will be the same, of course. MEntity: For those channels who deliver more customized sets of overleaves for their students, this tends to be relative to geographic locality, as well, but as some of our channels take to modern options of expansion beyond locality, it is more specific to that circle of Agreements than to locality. MEntity: In short, it could be said that some channels receive overleaves for how the world will tend to affect you (personal), while others deliver overleaves describing how you will affect the world (public), while our interpretation, as requested through this channel, is simply describing those patterns happening in the world. Kathryn41: Thank you Bobby: Are there any changes that can be seen at this time for this year pertaining to the debt based economy also are there any likely major economic upheavals in store this year? MEntity: Bobby, we cannot predict such things, and no upheaval tends to be "planned," but we can say that it is a pivotal and precarious year for such things. Three major areas are in need of being addressed "immediately": climate change and the exponentially-escalating effects, income disparities, and government debts, in that order. MEntity: We do not see that the year ahead might show any obvious shifts in this regard, but if these three factors are not addressed and secured with support within the next 3 to 4 years, the results would probably tend toward unpleasant. MEntity: Contending factors as associated with the above would be the sudden collapse of a currency value among those of more widespread value, and declining viable water supplies. All of these would seem to use to be of high priority for any group concerned with securing stability within the familiar economic dynamics. MEntity: The latter two factors would tend to hinge on the combinations of the first three we described. MEntity: We list climate change as the priority factor because it will not matter that the second and third factors are addressed, if the species is taken by surprise by the effects of climate to any degree that could be devastating. MEntity: The effects of climate on economy is at 72% probability, at this point. Jana: I had a different question prepared, but I would like to expand on your answer to Bobby - what can we, individually do, about climate change? MEntity: There are two levels of climate change, one of which you have no direct control, and the other as a source of causation that leads to effects. The climate on the planet shifts is great cycles that are not understood from the relatively recent and limited recordings of data, so there would tend to come these shifts, with or without a species causation. MEntity: However, these greater cycles can lengthen, shorten, or shift when there are new factors of causation in effect. "Greenhouse" gases would tend to be the greatest causation, at this point, generated from a vast industry generating this factor. MEntity: The greatest contribution any individual could do, at this point, is to make conscious choices regarding one's part in generating or supporting this factor. In a society and culture where simply being alive will contribute to certain factors, it would tend to be most effective to educate oneself to how one's most mundane choices may be contributing to these factors, and to make different choices regarding those that can be changed. Jana: What would be the most effective things we could change as individuals? MEntity: Any reduction of "carbon footprint," however "trendy" this may have come to be marketed, is a valid and effective approach. It has a direct reversal effect of causation by, at least, slowing down the generation of the effect. MEntity: There comes with this consideration a great inconvenience in many cases, but we can only say to this that there are far greater inconveniences in accelerated climate change to usurp any that may concern one now. Martha: meanwhile we have people who don't believe it's real Jana: yes, it all makes sense and we all know it, sometimes it's easy decide based on convenience vs inconvenience, or get discouraged and think it makes a little difference on the grand scale MEntity: The climate will change. It always has. We have lived through many. We know. Most natural changes are fairly slow to come, allowing for us to adapt, with very few having been "sudden" in any meaningful sense for the species, but not only is the current acceleration of climate change nearing a point of "sudden," the current modeling for climate change seems to us to be off by 30 to 50 years. Martha: as in sooner? Jana: So people are kidding themselves MEntity: An acceleration of global temperatures by nearly 10 degrees fahrenheit are not unlikely before 2075. GeraldineB: they've been saying 3 degrees would be catastrophic MEntity: Currently, we can see this as 45% probability and rising, based on current momentum. When we factor in potential of education and implementation of choices that would reverse this, it drops to 10%, relative to 2075, and moves the climate change toward "natural" by 2100, with a rise in temperatures coming over a 300 to 500 year period, if at all, instead. Jana: I cannot even imagine 10 deg in such a short timescale. so we can influence it considerably MEntity: Yes. MEntity: Choice can be seen as quite powerful on a personal level, but part of the evolving soul is to grasp the effects of choice in larger contexts. Choices make a difference in both personal and grand ways. MEntity: When one begins to make choices based on effects beyond the personal, one is manifesting Essence, and the older Soul Ages. Maureen: So "what's in it for me?" -- becomes "what's in it for others -- or for us?"? Jana: Would choices such as choosing train over plane, and cycling to work instead of driving make a good difference if enough people did it? MEntity: Jana, those choices are valid for having an effect, though in terms of the train, this would tend to depend upon the fuel. Jana: of course, I meant electric, but that does necessarily mean clean either GeraldineB: Well, the train is going to run its route, no matter whether it has passengers or not Jana: that is true as well, but so is plane? unless they reduce it based on lower demand MEntity: Jana, Geraldine, yes: lack of demand affects rate of use. Kathryn41: what will create the biggest influence on hindering this massive change? MEntity: Kathryn, the biggest hindrance would tend to be lack of comprehension. The scale of climate is difficult to comprehend, but coupling this with its drastic effects on life "as you know it," are difficult to fathom. It is easier to simply eat, take, and do as one has always done, particularly when "everyone else" is, as well. Kathryn41: unfortunately, yes. so better education with a 'personal relevance' would have the biggest impact MEntity: One of the hallmarks of awakening, whether in Essence or Soul Age, or both, is that the impact of one's choices do not have to have immediate payoff or obvious effects. That equation is of the younger soul ages. The older soul grasps, at least intuitively, the threads of choices that weave together, collectively, to generate impact. Jana: Michael, how much does not eating meat make a difference in this matter? MEntity: Jana, the industry of enclosing, feeding, watering, and processing of animals as food, and the subsequent disposal of waste from this, is one of the top means of contribution to climate change acceleration. MEntity: We did not have to check the Akashic Records to see this as valid in your world today. Maureen: MEntity: Its part in the equation of economy, climate, and water supply is integral to their potential demise. MEntity: When one begins to make choices based on effects beyond the personal, one is manifesting Essence, and the older Soul Ages. MEntity: Jana, those choices are valid for having an effect, though in terms of the train, this would tend to depend upon the fuel. MEntity: The last time there was an industry of equivalence on the planet, nearly 1 million years ago, our species was nearly destroyed. MEntity: This was not from the same consequences, but that this disconnected type of process for storing, treating, and distributing a food has yet to have had beneficial consequences in the long run, even if contributing greatly to the convenience of a people in the short-term. MEntity: By "disconnected" we mean that those processing the foodstuff are disconnected from the care necessary for healthy processes, and the average recipient of the foodstuff is isolated from the entire process. This disconnection and isolation comes with a toll, since "no one is home" to manage the quality and vitality of the foodstuff. And the recipient simply consumes it without question. MEntity: This could be said of many industries in terms of consequences on the species, but when that industry then has impact on greater scales that involve ecosystems, other species, and atmospheres, the consequences are potentially far more than we can fairly anticipate for our students. MEntity: Your choices in the matter, matter. Jana: Thank you for the detailed answer Maureen: What does our current paradigm look like as opposed the myriad of others out there? What do those other paradigms look like? MEntity: Please clarify "other paradigms." Maureen: In your statement you mentioned our current paradigm: "In Infant, Baby, and Young paradigms, war is quite easily launched as a potential solution to differences." Maureen: Michael – What did you mean by “There would still be a concept of privacy, competition, and defense in culture of the oldest of souls, but these would tend toward a refinement that may be very difficult for those of you in the current paradigm to even conceive”? Would you give an example of what will be difficult for us Older Souls to conceive? MEntity: Maureen, from what we have seen in any older soul paradigm, the concept of competition would tend to be either in playful terms, or in how that competitiveness contributes to the joy and well-being of the others involved. There is no real concept of winning. Games would tend to seem either boring, confusing, or pointless to the younger paradigm of game players. Imagine a football game where there are no teams, no score, and no winners, and you may come close to a glimpse. MEntity: This is starting to come into fruition in the world of video games where those games emphasize experience as the priority over the winning or scoring. Maureen: I can see that. One of the reasons I don't professional sports so much is that someone "has to lose". It's heartbreaking to watch at times. MEntity: Privacy is all but gone in the old soul paradigm, at least in terms of how those from a young paradigm might see it. Body image issues lose all footing, and clothing becomes optional, while resources are no longer used from a base of competition and debt, but availability, so there is no currency or details about oneself that can be exploited in those ways relative to resources. MEntity: Ownership of objects tends to be seen more in terms of borrowed, so that there is little attachment to "things." MEntity: When one person may lean toward more ownership of things than another, they are considered available within reason to anyone, and expectations or demands to the use of anyone else's objects is minimal, since they are fairly readily available anyway, and when not available, it is not taken personally. Maureen: I have "imagined" that in the future Michael - about not "owning" most things - borrowing even personal things. MEntity: There are some hints of this in terms of digital products in your world now, with confusion in place regarding the legalities of control and ownership for such products. MEntity: It is a different world of rules regarding ownership when objects can simply be duplicated without effect on the original object. Theft is not only no longer of interest, but no longer of necessity or use. MEntity: For now, this paradigm of borrowing is fairly limited to the world of digital products, but is mired in younger soul concepts of profit and ownership. The Priest who was known as "Aaron Swartz" is in a Configuration looking to change this paradigm of competitive ownership. MEntity: In terms of defense, the older soul paradigm tends toward dynamics that usurp any necessity for assault and defense in any obvious sense, though there would tend to be tactics in place relative to any known threats. For instance, there would still be concepts of healthy preventions, and remedies, as well as physical weaponry relative to threats. MEntity: However, the concept of defense would be relative to threat, not to paranoia, or speculative threat. Maureen: So his death may have some meaning then? MEntity: Maureen, if those who remain from the Configuration choose to carry forth point of his vision, awareness could come, but the actual changes necessary for implementing his vision would seem to be for another generation. MEntity: The "foot is in the door" of this precarious consideration for the future of digital data, so this was Good Work. MEntity: We must conclude here for today.
NYC Live: On Current Events July 14, 2011 Note from Janet: This session was transcribed by Elaine and Eric from a live recording. MEntity: We are here now. It will take a little bit of time for us to come through smoothly, so bear with us if we pause in awkward moments in our responses. Hello to each of you. We understand the context of our exchange with you today will be current events, and what we will do first is speak to you a bit about that context so that the parameters of discussion are more defined, as well as having some dimension added to the context. We would define current events as anything that is happening in the world on some scale that is relevant to you now. In fact, it might be more accurate to call them relevant events rather than current events, because the time frames for events that are relevant for you are not necessarily so current, and of course our perception of what is current is very different from yours. The reason current events are something worth exploring is because they often give insight into what is happening with your species and with your collective consciousness. There are a lot of things happening in the world and only a portion of those come to your awareness, and now that there are so many avenues with which you can access information and current events, it is even more telling what it is that comes through to you. You are no longer just dependent on radio stations or limited broadcasts or even word of mouth, but you can actively go out and find information. What you seek and what makes its way through to you has some bearing on your world view, and where you find yourself in relation to the rest of your species. Often, current events, or events happening in the world, are polarized in their meaning and they play out the extremes in a way that we can most simply describe as the spectrum between love and fear. So what you are drawn to usually resonates to issues that you are working on relative to your capacity to love, and issues that represent your issues relative to your fears. Usually the things that fall in-between those personalized holes doesn't make it through to you or, if it does, is dismissed. And so looking at what you are drawn to in the media — and this would include films, this will include music, this doesn't just include the news – can give you great insight into where you are in your participation with humanity, and how you find yourself represented in the world. In general, a lot of what makes the news and becomes relevant to you makes the news and becomes relevant because it plays upon the three levels of truth that we have talked about in the past. The more collective a species becomes, the more cohesive it becomes. Or, in other words, the more it matures in soul age collectively, the more it begins to examine its truths on a personal level, on a global level and on a universal level. So a great deal of what happens in the media and in the news and what you are drawn to represents your process of those three levels of truth, what it means to you personally, how you understand what it means to everyone else, and how it represents the more universal truths such as love and fear, and truth itself, and energy or beauty. So with that in mind as a foundation for looking deeper, as we look at the various subjects you might bring up we might circle back to what we just shared to give examples. And with that, we'll open the floor to questions from you about current events, and you may ask in whatever order comes from your group. [Comment] Well okay, so I would like to know if Casey Anthony killed her daughter and, if so, why? MEntity: At this point we cannot answer that question any more accurately than you can. The Intensity of such dynamics that are being played out, especially when it comes to karmic dynamics, are difficult for us to read because we do not have access to the details of an individual or a group's Karma until it is played out, until it is completed. The reason we do not have access to it is because it could incur Karma for us to provide that information for people who are in the middle of it. And therefore, not only is it not accessible in many cases, but we also refrain from exploring it to any extent that might incur Karma. We cannot incur Karma from where we are. [Question] Are any of us in the room involved in this Karmic event? MEntity: No, but that will not change our ability to access it. When a situation is unfolding that is within the process of burning or creating Karmic ribbons, our access to the details is quite limited. For your information or for those involved, this is because ... for instance, imagine that you have a karmic ribbon with another fragment who owes you, so to speak, a murder. If we were to share with you that you have a karmic ribbon with an individual who owes you a murder, the impact on your psyche could potentially be to such an extent that it generates a ribbon between us, or at least the channel and you, do you understand? [Comment] Yeah, I understood that from before when we had the issue where we obviously had Karma. MEntity: However, we can answer questions around the question of if she did or did not and we can say that this is a Karmic situation that is playing out, which is one of the reasons why it is such a fascination for the public, because it does resonate with not only the human drama in general, but those who have gone through this before in other lives. They are watching to see how others process this. It is quite interesting for most fragments to watch, to see how another group plays out such an intense drama. For the older souls, we would say that this subject has not been so interesting because you have “been there, done that.” You have murdered your children, you have accidentally killed your children, you have accidentally been killed by your parents or caretakers, and you're rather neutral about the subject. Those who are not so neutral about it, and are polarized, have probably not played out both sides of that scenario yet in terms of incarnations. We cannot say whether she killed her daughter or not, but we know that she was involved to such an extent that this appears to be a ribbon that is burning, a burning of a ribbon, as part of the dynamic that we can see. Within a short period of time — 6 months to a year — included in this dynamic is a confession that will clarify everything, because that is part of what we can see as the flip side of the original initiation of this Karma. The why of it we can answer as well, that it does not appear to have been intentional, the death itself. And that is the best we can do with the details. [Comment] Thank you. [Question] Can you comment on the unrest in China, some of what we've been seeing a lot of (protests) recently, and also in the context of the transition of the leadership, and their path towards democracy. MEntity: For quite some time that particular area of the world has been where most of the Servers have been incarnating, and things have been fairly passive in that regard. Cultures such as the United States have been lacking the incarnation of servers, which has contributed to some of the breakdown of family and the redefining of family, and this is part of what happens when a culture is shifting or emphasizing the Young Soul consciousness. The Young Soul paradigm is “I can do it myself,” and so Servers do not have a great deal of positions to be in except to be subservient. Not all Servers are interested in simply being subservient or exploited, and Young Souls can tend to do this. So Servers moved away from the United States, for instance, as it went through its Young Soul phase, and congregated in China, or at least in that general area. However, as the United States begins to mature and shift into Mature Soul consciousness, the Mature Souls then shift the paradigm from “I can do it all myself” to “Let me do it for you,” or “Let me help you.” As the empathy begins to spread, Servers find a more comfortable position again in that kind of paradigm. And so more Servers are coming back to the United States and leaving China. However, those Servers who are still in the incarnational process in China are part of the whole reason for the unrest and uprisings, because the exploited Server either falls into a passive category, and moves into being exploited, or they get, for lack of a better phrase, pissed off, and would begin to lash out and begin to pull the rug out from underneath those who previously depended upon them. Servers know more intimately and in more specific detail what it is that those around them need. It is simply built into the design of that essence. And so if the Servers are maturing in consciousness to a point where they have realized that there is a need for, say, democracy or more freedom, less exploitation, then they will work in that direction to inspire that in those around them. So this is a revolution of Servers that we see unfolding in that area. So many may see the Server role as only being of service, or of a following nature, but they are responsible for some of the major shifts in paradigm because they make up most of the population of the planet. This shift will occur. It is moving towards a Young Soul culture of intolerance towards any kind of restrictions, any kind of cap on the capacity for success, any kind of control over the desires and cravings of those who are incarnating. And so the shift is moving towards a Young Soul paradigm, and that part of the world, as far as we can see, in momentum may rise to what the United States have been for the past many years. [Question] So as a follow up question then. Is it valid to view the momentum of LGBT rights in America and recognizing the importance as part of that shift into the Mature Soul phase? MEntity: Yes. You'll see the Mature Soul paradigm begin play out, as, for instance, represented by your leader, the Priest, Barack Obama, who is a Mature Soul and is using Mature Soul tactics for progress, which requires a great deal of compromise, deliberation and consideration of all aspects and all needs. And so some who have criticized his methods or his tactics and criticized the lack of drive or force are simply seeing a different way of leading. It's going to set a standard for others as well, as the Mature Soul paradigm takes effect. Leadership will no longer be about dictatorship making choices for others, but hearing from all sides and making a choice in the best interest of the most that can possibly be accommodated. Therefore, you will see that in smaller pockets happening around the country, where, in a Mature Soul paradigm, the rights of groups become vital because the consciousness no longer allows for the division, that discrimination in the sense of prejudices. It does not fit into that awareness anymore, because if the Mature Soul rejects you there is a visceral response to that. There is a rejection of the self there is a rejection of a part of you. So to embrace differences, to embrace diversity, to embrace the rights of those around you, is a way of also becoming more whole and of nurturing your own sense of wholeness and evolution. So, yes. [Comment] There was my question. I was gonna ask about why he is so damned wishy washy and not getting anything done for the Democratic Party. MEntity: Yes, it is simply a different method of leadership. Mature Souls do not lead through force. It is through communication, often compromise. [Comment] Well, yes. He's compromised right out of a lot of things MEntity: That is the negative side of negotiation for the Mature Soul, the compromise. We're trying to find the right word for describing the other end of that spectrum, which is something along the lines of harmony. Compromise in this case would be the loss of, or at least the perceived loss of, something for the sake of a group. However, when the negotiations are more harmonious, those losses are not seen as losses. They are perceived as small prices to pay for. [Comment] But unfortunately, he is negotiating with people who are much more Baby Soul oriented, Young Soul oriented, that are demanding and ridiculous, and so … MEntity: That is a valid perception. [Comment] Why thank you. So it's like he is working with a set of rules that he is trying to apply, but since they are playing with their own special set it is like he's just getting stomped on in a lot of ways. So do you think that it will be perceived … because a lot of people are concerned that he won't win the next election. I think he will, but a lot of people think he won't because he's pissing off the left by not doing anything for them, that they want done, they voted him in for, and then the right is just whackadoodle shit. MEntity: Everything that this Priest is doing is more calculated than might be obvious to those who perceive it from a distance because the Priest in the positive pole is compassion, and that translates into empathy. That sense of empathy can be its own curse as well as its own blessing, so to speak, and so the empathy is driving this fragment to explore what is important to everyone. And that can take time, to hear everyone out and to make sure they are heard and understood. But it can also give clues as to what can be done on a larger scale that will allow for the greatest good, or the highest good, because the Priest aims for the highest good, whatever that Priest has decided is the highest good. A Mature Priest will have a hard time imposing a highest good without hearing from everyone involved. [Comment] He only gets 4 years (unclear) MEntity: That is the only obstacle: time. This is a race against time for this fragment because this fragment may find himself in a position where he has to draw lines that are extremely uncomfortable and counter to his intentions. [Question] Otherwise he won't get another 4 years to keep going and working on it? Are you saying that when it gets closer to the election he is going to have to do more things to show he has a pair? MEntity: We would not phrase it in that way. [Comment] But I would. MEntity: We would also say that that would not be from what we can see as this fragment's motivation. It would be more to get done and into place those things that matter, even if it meant not having another 4 years. So the motivation would be to do what can be done in a limited period of time. If that ends up being to the liking of those who will vote, then that may bode well for the election in his favor. And while that is a concern, of course, he would not draw the line just to prove something. It would be, from what we can see, motivated by the concern that if the line were not drawn then those things that were intended would not be done by whoever took his place. [Comment] So it sounds like he is a pivotal president because of the shift in soul age at this time. MEntity: Oh yes. [Question] So he is thinking more about laying groundwork for much farther in the future than just his presidency? MEntity: We would agree with that. For instance, going back to the rights of homosexuals and transgender and so forth, the methods that are being allowed to unfold on their own are securing rights in a way that would be much more difficult to remove if someone would choose to do so in the future. There were options along the way that could have imposed or enforced rights, but the encouragement for the population to choose those is a much more effective means of securing them than to enforce them or to impose them. [Comment] I see what you are saying. MEntity: Yes. [Question] Along maybe a similar line, we're supposed to be shifting into a Mature Soul paradigm in the United States, but it is funny hearing it sometimes because in politics it's gotten so much more partisan. And also, when we look at just the pop culture, the pop culture feels like it has degraded over the time. We used to have movie stars and cinema, and now we focus on Jersey Shore and Paris Hilton. It feels like the culture is becoming more materialistic and more simplistic. And again, with the political spectrum, it feels like it is becoming more self-centered. And I understand that part of that may be the more access to information, so I would be curious to hear how much that is affecting it, but also, how do we reconcile that in terms of understanding that we are shifting into a Mature Soul paradigm? MEntity: Every transition is going to have, especially a major transition, will have two dynamics at play. One will be the reaction to that shift and the attempts to stop it, and so that is being played out in politics. The amplification of the Baby and Young Souls who do not want things to change are obviously going to be contrasted more obviously against the change that is coming inevitably. And we say inevitably, not because it is something fated or destined, but because evolution is difficult to stop. Momentum is difficult to stop, and once you learn or mature you can't unmature. You can't unlearn. You can't lose that compassion and that empathy that is gained. And that spreads. So the contrast is the one element or the one dynamic that is being played out. The other is that, in a transition, one of the ways the transition can take root is by using the very familiar world from which the transition is coming. So as your media, or your entertainment, moves towards more “reality TV,” it is stripping away the glamour that was the Young Soul paradigm portrayed in movie stars and the romanticizing of those movie stars — stripping away the entire Young Soul glamour – and moving towards reality: more intimate, more accessible, more personal, which is the Mature Soul paradigm. But in order to introduce that, or to make it acceptable, it is being pulled in and focusing on the Young Soul characters willing to play that. And so while the paradigm is shifting towards more intimate, more real, less glamorized, less protected, less private, it is still being played out with Young Soul values. Do you understand what we are saying? [Comment] Yes. MEntity: And so while it may look like what's being emphasized is the Young Soul paradigm, it is being emphasized through a new lens which is the broader paradigm that will eventually find new characters. For instance, politics itself is a breeding ground and a meeting ground for Baby and Young Souls. Mature and Old Souls have no interest in politics, because it is dominated by Baby and Young Souls. However, as more examples show up in politics to show how that context can be played out in a different way, it will draw in more Mature Souls who are willing to realize that, “oh it doesn't have to be played by those old rules anymore, it can be played by new rules.” And so you will see more and more Mature and Old Souls showing up in politics. The same with your media or entertainment. While the emphasis now is seeming to be, in a lot of ways, ludicrous, obnoxious Young Soul behavior, that will grow tiresome for a while. But, it will have gotten on board the Young and Mature so that, when it shifts in focus, they will be watching. [Comment] Crafty. [Comment] Interesting. MEntity: It is also just a natural progression in a Mature Soul culture. The concept of privacy begins to degrade. In a Young Soul world, privacy is extremely valuable and extremely protected and fought for. In a Mature Soul, and especially in an Old Soul world, privacy isn't of a concern at all, because the concept of privacy falls away when there is no more shame, no more concepts of judgement, no more division based on differences, no more exploitation based on individual values. There will always need to be some measures of practical protection when it comes to individuals and your participation in the world. But the emphasis on privacy starts to fall away. So reality TV, or all of the contrived versions of reality, are still playing out that idea that all of you are being watched, all of you are willingly exposing yourselves in such things as social media. This is another step in the direction of the Mature Soul paradigm [Comment] He says as the camera is on him. [Comment] That's interesting if you think about Facebook and tweeting in that kind of context. That's a breaking down of privacy MEntity: Yes. And once again, a Mature Soul concept for instilling something is to have those participating voluntarily bring that into permanence. So such media as Twitter, Facebook, social media in general where the world is participating and willingly doing so, willingly revealing from the most meaningful to the most minutia of their lives … the concept of privacy begins to fall away and it was done so willingly. [Question] My question concerns the US food supply and what is being done to it: pumping the meat full of antibiotics, and genetically modified foods. If it is making humans more sick, and if the government is behind this deliberately, and if they're possibly in cahoots with the big Pharma companies, to get them sick and then sell them their drugs. [Comment] I think they are in cahoots MEntity: And that would reveal something about your participation and place in humanity. We do not see such a sinister element involved in that cycle. But, there is a phrase, or a cliché, that is something like, “the road to hell is paved by the best intentions,” and that would be one of the ways to describe some of what has come up as a cycle in your food industry. Genetic modifications, hormones, antibiotics, all of these had good intentions to some extent to make things more or less perishable, to make them easier to transport, to make them grow where they wouldn't normally grow. This is good. That is something that is seen as helping. However, there are long term effects that do take a toll when those things are ingested over time. What we've seen in parallel versions of the food industry, or in other planetary systems where food issues exist, is that these were short term solutions and, in the context of things, it would be in this case as well. It doesn't work for very long that these things are injected into or modified, but they do help in certain parts of the world during certain periods of time. Having that as a backup is something important for every sentient species to have at their disposal. But, to rely upon it becomes a problem and does begin to undermine the health systems of those participating over time. One of the shifts that we see occurring over a period of time is the return to small local farming and an emphasis on the importance of that, so that what can be grown in certain areas is then locally provided as much as possible. The abundance of what can be grown locally is much more than what is being speculated. At this time, the only reason why it is not sometimes seen as viable is because of the profit that can be made on lands in different ways, and the fight for who gets control of those lands. But once it becomes realized across the board that every city or every localized area must have its own food source to the capacity that it can, there will probably be, in least in these other versions we've seen, designated areas for that to be provided. So, in answer to your question, no, we do not see that this is a conspiracy. However, it is a perpetuated good intention that is not of benefit in the long run and will probably … anything that goes in that direction eventually collapses, and we see that it is on its way out. It will peak and then be stored as a possibility for certain contexts, but not something relied upon. At this point, each of you have the options of what to purchase for your food intake. The more your choices move towards the local and truly organic and so forth, the more that helps to instill it as a part of the paradigm. [Comment] Farmer's market here we come. [Question] My question is more about our relationship to nature and the planet. And it grows from all of the current events surrounding the Japan earthquake that created alarm about the nuclear reactor and the possibility of nuclear waste going into the air and the atmosphere, into the ocean, back into the earth and into the ground. And more recently here, with the Exxon Oil spill in the Yellowstone River up north, and how that is not being maintained and controlled, to, from a political standpoint or an industrial standpoint, an overproduction of things such as oil rigs and the whole oil and gas industry. It's globally saturating our planet and is exhausting our fuel supplies, and, to a certain extent, all of this kind of planet harvesting is affecting the climate. And I am not gonna say that things like global warming and the shifts in climate are completely man made events, because I know that weather patterns and climate patterns are a thing a planet goes through cycles of, millennial cycles. But, I think we are expediting or accelerating some of these cycles. So, I guess I have two questions. The first question is: I know there is a debate as to whether or not other technologically advanced societies or civilizations have been here, and for whatever reasons they died out or left or whatever. I want to know, have any of them or did any of them experience similar situations — a sort of rape of the natural world — and how did they deal with those issues as they surfaced in their civilizations? The second part to my question is: is it inevitable; is it inherent in a society's evolution? As you become more industrialized and more technologically advanced, does that have to pair with the destruction of the planet? Can you evolve without actually having to take away all of your planet's resources? MEntity: Yes. Otherwise species would not be able to finish their cycles. But, it is also not particularly uncommon to exhaust resources and have to move to another planet. That is something that some species end up having as an effect on their native environment. To try to answer your questions in order, ask them again one at a time. [Question] The first one was: if there were other civilizations in earth's history, did they also encounter circumstances of using up earth's resources too quickly or harming more than helping as they evolved? MEntity: Yes. The — what some have deemed mythological — civilization of Atlantis is a fairly recent example of what can happen when resources are exploited to an extent that they become taken for granted, or misunderstood, or misdirected. That was a pocket of Young Soul dominated culture. We realize that some romanticize it as an advanced civilization, but technological advancements are not necessarily parallel to maturity. That group of Young Souls found themselves in a position where their primary resource, which we will just refer to as power because we do not know if we have a term to describe it — it could be understood as parallel to nuclear power — found themselves in a position that literally destroyed everything. So it has happened before. A great deal of those who perished at that time are responsible for the development of the United States as a country. As part of the cyclical group karma — which is a valid concept as well; Karma can be created and generated in groups and then rebalanced in groups — they are finding themselves in positions to see examples of other disasters in the world based on the loss of control over power, or the taking for granted of the power, or the misuse of it. At least at this point, we are seeing the United States as at least establishing a momentum towards alternatives ahead of other countries as a way of “saving” or “revitalizing” the country instead of losing it, as happened in Atlantis. So it has happened before. And yes, the more a society is focused on subtle energies as a resource – or an implosive type of energy resource versus a combustible or explosive energy — as long as one or the other is emphasized as a primary source of power, it will almost always lead to some form of collapse or destruction. What hasn't been done in your species yet is the combination of the two to an extent that brings that balance as required that you would recognize as being in harmony with nature. So as more credibility is given to such advanced concepts, which were provided by such fragments as Tesla in the past, and experimented on again without the restrictions of Young Soul values, and freeing up energy to be much more available to those participating in it, then the balance may come and your species would stabilize a great deal in terms of its resources and the sharing of those. We do not know if we've completely answered your question. So we'll ask you to ask the questions again or to — [Comment] Well, you sort of answered my second question first when I was asking: in order to advance technologically or industrially, does a society have to basically use up or misuse natural resources? And I think you said no that's not the case. [Question] So, if there are species who had to leave their home planet in search for another one, can they still be Old-Souled? Were they just not very intelligent or practical, if they had to leave one planet to seek refuge on another, or can even the older souls make that mistake and have to suffer the consequences of it? MEntity: By the time a species has moved to an Old Soul paradigm, there is usually a great shift in emphasis of what is important for the day to day life, and no longer are such power resources necessary. So you would find, on planets where the population is primarily Old Soul, very humble dwellings, going back to very simple resources, living off the land, or living in an environment that has already mastered the balance between the types of resources that are available: the implosive and explosive. And so it is very rare that an Old Soul-dominated culture is in any position to have to leave. By then it has learned how to live. However, in a species such as yours that is primarily shifting from Young Soul to Mature, if something were to happen to affect your world, you would, of course, be a part of that as an Old Soul. That is where the importance of parallel universes comes to hand, because for instance, in the 1980's, there was nuclear war in one of your parallels. All of the fragments who were involved in that nuclear holocaust are tied to that parallel and working on rebuilding the planet in that version of reality. However, those of you who were in that reality who perished because of the wars that broke out simply do not return to that, but find a different version of reality to continue on. And so, even if the Young Souls “screw things up,” or the Baby Souls push and push until there is no more room for anyone to be free to be themselves, the older souls will find other versions of reality to continue their explorations. So in answer to your question, or to simplify, Old Soul cultures would not, or we have not seen them, be in that position where they would have to leave a planet. [Question] There is a question from Geraldine. She is asking about the concept of peak oil, which is defined as the point in time when the maximum rate of global petroleum extraction is reached, after which the rate of production enters terminal decline. She is asking if it is real and if it has already occurred. MEntity: Based on available or found resources, and the technology available to access those, yes that is a valid concept. However, that can shift if the technology shifts and if the means for extracting it, or the locations for extracting it, are found. So it is not a static concept, but it is a valid one within certain definitions or in certain context, and at this point, yes, there would be a decline after reaching a certain peak. However, as we said before, any time the emphasis is on one or the other resources for power, that peak will be reached and collapse. This would be an example of it. And though that peak can be extended or altered over a period of time, it is certainly not infinite. In this case, just the idea of peak oil is helping to prompt alternatives to come forth before reaching collapse, and this is one of the dynamics in place that are helping the fragments involved from Atlantis to find solutions before “too late.” Did this answer your question? [Question] I guess it did. To expand on that a little bit, I am curious about the concept of fracking: how they have been pushing to allow fracking in upstate NY. They've been trying to buy out landowners to allow them to drill for oil and gas; there's supposedly a great supply up there. So the backlash against it is because it's obviously very harmful to the environment. [Comment] And the concern is that, there are a lot of natural aquifers and water storage underground, and as they frack, the oil and gas then penetrates the water supply which then makes its way to our populations. [Question] Just the damage to the earth the (unclear) that they are doing up there just seems wrong, I think. MEntity: We do not use such terminology as “wrong” or “bad,” but we will say that it certainly is a detrimental impact and one that can only be stopped by the gathering of Mature Soul consciousness to take that on. You will find scenarios like this popping up in certain contexts where the power of Mature Soul consciousness or Mature Souls coming together can make a difference. We don't see this practice that you're describing … we see that it will be rather short-lived, because the impact is so obvious and so unwanted that the alternative is better. The alternative of running out of all of that is better than losing everything. Rather, the alternative of running out of those fuels is better than losing more vital fuels such as water and land. So that choice will be supported by the Mature Souls more than likely and taken on and righted. We say righted only in the sense that it will be put into the Mature Soul context where more is considered than just taking. Of course, that is not a prediction, it is only what we see as a natural momentum that would come up. [Question] We've all been talking recently or for a while about how poorly education is just, I mean, it's just going down into like ridiculous. Sometimes I think, “am I just a bitchy old granny, or is it really that people just don't know shit anymore?” I mean, it's just been so (unclear) to speak and then I'm thinking, “well maybe language is just evolving in a way I don't like,” you know? So, I mean, sometimes I do think is it … not is it “just me,” but is it that I am not evolving the way it is, or is it something that maybe will be corrected someway, like we'll go back to kids actually learning stuff and knowing things and not just how to push a button with their finger, or touch a screen. MEntity: Keep in mind as we talk to you about these subjects you're questioning where your perception of it is and your interpretation of it, so that you can gain insight into how you feel about your part in humanity regardless of what our response will be. [Comment] Yeah, I've established my crabby granny status. MEntity: In any transitional period of time, the concept of education is going to change. What has been in place for a long time as far as the methods for teaching, the methods for learning, and what symbolized knowing, or what symbolized being intelligent, is itself in a process of changing. In that transition, there are going to be some generations that are affected. [Comment] That's such a polite way of putting it. MEntity: However, the transition is simply adjusting to what's important, what is defined as important for a culture and defined by what is necessary. A great deal of what used to be necessary to carry around with you in your brain is no longer necessary to carry around because it can be carried around in a device. This is not to the detriment of the brain, or to the detriment of intelligence. It is simply a different way of accessing the same information. [Comment] But your phone goes dead. Your brain doesn't turn off. MEntity: Yes. However, a great deal of what is necessary to know, if your device were to go dead, would still be accessible, because what you need to know, you learn, and what you need to know is relative to your environment. [Question] Can't one argue, though, that part is not just about filling your brain with data, with information – i.e., equal knowledge – but the process is just as important? So if people are no longer learning about, or synthesizing, or drawing conclusions, or absorbing information in a way that they can convey it back out in their own terms … if they're no longer doing that because they have devices that can store information, or they have internet pages where they can go to access information, isn't there something still being lost? Isn't there an exercise there that still takes you to a higher level that's no longer being used? MEntity: The cycle that's happening right now is the shift from an emphasis of what we would refer to as the “century of debt” in the past — and we will elaborate on this at another time, but you just ended a century of debt as a platform for the world — moving into a platform that we would describe as a “century of choice.” We're speaking of arcs of experiences or themes that are a part of your species, your entire collective consciousness. So the movement is going away from debt, or even a debt-based economy, and shifting toward a resource-based economy, resource-based world, which will take some time to implement. But also, there are two things that have been a detriment, or a source of detriment, to a great deal of the population of humans as the shift into the new century has happened, and they are population and information. These two forces are probably the most detrimental forces working against humans. There is not enough, or at least not the means to provide enough, for everyone, and information flow is of such a constant that the capacity to process it is being lost. So your perception is valid. However, it ties into the evolution of humans where choice is becoming the important factor to consider. So while there is a wall or a wave of sources of information coming into a person's life, they will need to pick and choose and learn how to discern from that ocean of information. Right now you are still at the beginning stages of having that kind of access, so there are not a lot of models for how to do that. For those of you who came from a period that the discernment was already in place for you, where you were taught certain categories, you developed a brain function that allows you to do so even now to some extent. You're able to compartmentalize, focus, and choose what is important to you from the wave of information and let the rest of it go. You do not have to consume it all, and therefore what you are taking in often becomes integrated over those raised within the past twenty years or so, who may have some difficulty with that, because the world became available and there were no compartments or categories or methods for organizing that information taught. Even if it was being taught in one area of the life, as soon as those children were outside of the context of that order, it was available immediately as a wall of information again, or a wall of exposure. And so it ties into the evolution of humans and the consciousness of humans to take responsibility for choices that are being made. Again, this ties into the Mature Soul consciousness in that choices become important to consider in terms of their impact on others and their impact on yourself, not just whether they are convenient. So on the one hand, these are detriments to humans, but it is also the playground for experiences that will be one of the only ways that humans will grow up and take responsibility for choices. [Comment] How joyous that we get to be here for the beginning. And all the morons going crazy, going “Weeee! We can do whatever we want!” MEntity: There is more truth to what you say than you realize. The population growth at this time is of such a magnitude because most essences wanted to see how this shift was going to go down. [Question] Does it look like we're going from debt-based to resource-based right now? MEntity: Not yet, but the seeds are planted. In almost all probabilities that we can see, in order for the species to continue here, at least, the emphasis for a resource-based economy has to be worked out. [Question] What would that look like? MEntity: We do not know if we can describe it in a way that can convey it accurately. But, in the world where the economy — and we say that rather symbolically — is built up around a resource-based paradigm, the willingness to cooperate and contribute is amplified by profound leaps. In a resource-based economy, the natural resources — not only of the land, not only of the continents, not only of the world — are tapped into in a way that accommodates that resource rather than simply imposes on it or takes. Individuals also begin to develop that enthusiasm so that what you are good at you give, rather than just plugging yourself into a cog or a machine that makes your society run. You help to create or contribute in a way that expands on what society means and what your culture is evolving. Materials, power, and food is all distributed based on availability, rather than debt, which is based on who can afford it. [Question] So it's more like Star Trek? MEntity: Yes. [Question] Is there a way that we can make that transition without war, because, when you say that, I can just imagine this social upheaval and the blood that will be spilled In the process. Is it possible to transition in a peaceful way? MEntity: Oh yes. It's possible. It's always possible, but it depends on the education of the masses. [Comment] Oh that's going to be a problem. [Comment] Oh dear god. [Comment] It's going to be a while. We're a long way away from that. MEntity: If more Mature Souls move into positions of authority, then the Young and Baby souls who are around, who may object to it, naturally find themselves listening to those in authority. And the more Mature Souls who are in authority, the less conflict there is in authorities, and therefore they will align themselves quite naturally to whatever the authorities are saying is in their best interest. However, in this transition you are seeing more of quite a few Baby and Young Souls in positions of authority saying what the world needs and what's important. That has been in place for so long that there is an alignment with that that will be difficult to break, but not impossible. So we would think that, if there were a smooth transition, it would probably be another 50 to 100 years before anything were obviously established in that regard. However, because there is so much resistance there will probably be a reality, or version of reality, where a form of collapse occurs of civilization to an extent that the rebuilding is where the resource-based comes up from those who then can move to positions to make it happen. In that case, it would be approximately 20 to 50 years. [Question] In terms of organically growing practice, how do you avoid situations where organic farming increases the possibility of food contamination, such as the various strains of E. Coli? MEntity: One thing that we cannot do is tell you how to protect yourselves from every possible scenario of scathing that happens while being physical. So while there will be risks involved with such practices as organic food choices, they will make their way to you in no different a way than a car accident would, and in no different way than illness would, in the sense that you will still be creating your reality through your choices, through your own effects on your immune system, through your capacity to be alert and so forth. So we cannot say what will protect you from E. Coli or other threats in organic foods other than any practices of hygiene that could be in place to help prevent this, such as washing these food resources. But, those types of threats will still be there simply because the physical plane includes, as a part of the game, so to speak, the possibilities of scathing, which we use as a term to describe any kind of physical harm or emotional harm. [Question] Geneticists are getting exciting and yet dangerously close to recreating dinosaurs. Is this something that will actually come to fruition? MEntity: We've seen it, yes. It’s already been done in some versions of your timelines. The implications of it extend quite far into a great deal of medical or physical/biological benefit. When this is accomplished in those versions of reality, the emphasis moves towards the benefit, or at least those have moved toward the benefit of that capacity. However, there is, of course, the novelty aspect of it that helps to generate the funds for the more beneficial part in some instances. This is a good example of how your media, especially in terms of films or even books, plays out scenarios for humanity that actually have happened or potentially could happen. The film Jurassic Park comes from a fragment who is rather adept at peeking in among other parallels and seeing what could happen and drawing fiction from that, because there is a parallel where that similar type of amusement park occurred. [Question] What are the benefits of having dinosaurs? MEntity: We did not say there would be benefits to having dinosaurs. [Comment] They said that the medical or genetic process by which we can recreate dinosaurs would yield to us some sort of advancements or research benefits. [Comment] Oh! I was confused, I'm sorry. [Comment] Discoveries will happen along that path. [Comment] But, because billionaires want their pet dinosaurs, they'll throw billions at the program that will develop the benefits. [Comment] That part I got, I was just thinking: what was the benefit part? MEntity: There are some parallels you wouldn't necessarily recognize, if you were to leap into them as being familiar versions of earth. In the parallels where this has occurred, the incarnational process has moved from requiring birth, and the physical growing up part to be involved has shifted to some degree to simply choosing a body, because fully grown bodies will be.... [Comment] That's like from the Twilight Zone MEntity: Another fragment who can explore the various parallel options. [Question] So they would choose just fully grown cloned bodies? MEntity: Yes. The birthing process would simply be a matter of waking up in the body. Of course, regardless of how a fragment is birthed into a body, whether it be a fully grown body that has been cloned or genetically grown, there is still almost always a seven-year adjustment period that the fragment, or the essence, or the consciousness must go through in adjusting. Even in your current parallel, your current world, across all parallels, the capacity to walk into a body is rare, but still a choice that is made so that, if you are done with your body, the body doesn't have to die with your leaving the body, but another essence can step in. These are referred to as walk-ins, and the walk-ins still take seven years to adjust to being in that new body. [Comment] My friend Ryan was a walk in. And he doesn't remember most of anything of his childhood, like during seven years a big chunk of his childhood (unclear) [Comment] Was he in a coma then or just one day he woke up as a different person? [Comment] He had gotten sick as a child. MEntity: Yes. The walk-in process requires the body to go into some sort of altered state for that to occur, so that's usually in a traumatic experience, illness, coma, and so forth. But our point is that there is still a growing up process that must be experienced; it's just different. [Question] So dinosaurs won't necessarily be a bad thing? MEntity: No. It is only a novelty that these might seem such a strange possibility. But even in this parallel, you live with creatures on the planet that you will never come in contact with or be affected by. And so it is in those parallels where these have been capable of being generated or built. Many only see word of, or rather media coverage of, these rather than ever come in contact of them. We don't see any instances where there are rampages or takeovers. [Comment] No Planet of the Apes. MEntity: And quite short lived as well. As with many dangerous directions that humans take, once it's established that it can be done, it is often not returned to. [Comment] Is that why they don't cure any diseases? “Oh we could, but nah.” [Question] Can you specify how it is a danger to humanity that once we discover a process we don't return to it? MEntity: No. What we were trying to convey is that sometimes some of the more dangerous directions that are chosen, such as atom bombs or the regeneration of dinosaurs, are established as having been accomplished, and in that establishment there is no need to return to it as a resource or as a constant. It is much like a child who has been told that the stove is hot. The child will still want to touch that stove until it's proven that it's hot, and once it's burned realizes “Oh, I don't have to touch that to know that it's hot.” So does the human species, or any sentient species, often do something dangerous and destructive and then say “Oh, we don't have to do that again.” Do you understand? [Comment] Yes MEntity: So it is not dangerous in itself to go in that direction, or dangerous not to. We were describing the fact that those things deemed dangerous are often not returned to. And so the creation of dinosaurs is a short-lived experiment that proved it can be done and then is focused in a direction that is more beneficial and less about novelty. We will wrap things up then here with a round of one personal question apiece, and we will see if we can get responses for you. You may begin. Personal Questions Excluded
Ask Michael Open Floor Chat August 3, 2014 Channel: Troy Tolley [Ty] I've been interested in the not-so-commonly held Historicist interpretation of the Book of Revelation lately: Could Michael comment on their perspective of what exactly is the deal with that piece of writing? (like what it means, etc) [MEntity] To examine this writing, particularly in terms of its reinterpretations of reinterpretations, would be quite a task, as there are such personal and nuanced symbolism within it that builds upon itself within particular contexts set. For example, if one were to explore the meaning of a dream where one sees a red wand that is suspended by light while swimming in a lake, one would have several elements here to explore before fully comprehending the symbolic language in its parts and as a whole as a message. So for simplistic purposes, we will say that, overall, the writing is a personal account of this individual's sense of his world ending, or transforming. It is not prophetic, and was never meant to be prophetic. It was never meant to refer to the world beyond his known world. [Ty] So things that appear to match up quite well historically would be coincidence? [MEntity] To apply this individual's dreams to relevance in time beyond himself is about as useful as reading any one of our student's dream journals in your community as a means to gain insight into your own life. Historically, there may be significance, but not beyond his own time. Depending on the version one is reading, the altering of words to retrofit more recent history (relatively speaking) can be fairly high. It is natural for imagination to find patterns, and then this must be navigated with intelligence to sort through which are valid. For example, there are many who feel that there is significance to a particular time seen on a digital clock when that is rarely the case. It simply happens that it is a pattern that you can extract from your experiences. Some patterns are ignored because there is intelligence involved. For example, going in and out of your front door of your home is not a startling event of significance, even though it is far more likely a pattern of significance and consistency than a digital clock read out. nd though a digital clock read out will never amount to more than an amusing synchronicity, many will impose mysterious significance upon it. [Ty] Sounds like you're talking about Angel Numbers [GeraldineB] 11:11 [MEntity] We use these more accessible examples as a means to point to the same process being used when interpreting writing, dreams, and records from the past as seen as prophecy. [Ty] Some of the writing claim in themselves to be prophecies, such as he book of Daniel from the OT [MEntity] We once described a "future" to our students as including homes that were partly triangular shape, connected by strands of light that were used for instant travel. This was met with oohs and ahhhs until we pointed out that we were describing the roofs of homes currently on the block, connected by cables of electricity and television and internet, which allowed for instant "travel." Our point being that our description of the present in more poetic terms could be interpreted outside of time and in any number of ways. This is how some historic writing is in nature, as well. [GeraldineB] I'd like to ask for followup information about how wide-spread Transcendental Souls are spread out through out society. You've alluded to it previously as many are unknown people outside of their local area. Recently, you said that several comedians were TSs -- is this in the full sense of being O6s or in a particular way they are functioning? [MEntity] We do not think we referred to these fragments as Transcendental Souls, but as teachers/channels for Entities. These are distinctly different contexts. [GeraldineB] ooh ok -- I thought the term TS was used -- [GeraldineB] then, please explain what you did mean [MEntity] For example, Troy is not a Transcendental Soul, he is a channel for us. Troy is not of our Entity, and therefore will never be a Transcendental Soul representing us. For us to be a Transcendental Soul, a fragment from our own Entity must incarnate. A Transcendental Soul is born, not channeled, though the fragment born does act as a channel for his or her Entity. [GeraldineB] oooooh [GeraldineB] But, you are cycled off [MEntity] Many comedians, healers, dancers, artists, etc are teachers/or channels for Entities with a teaching, just like us. Different Entities teach in different ways through different Centers. Our Teaching is Intellectually based, while including the Emotional and Moving. More Movement-based teachings require channels who move, use the body more, and/or have more direct access to students, such as dancers and healers. And so on. All True Teachings include all Centers, but are based in different ways. We do not provide healing energy, nor do we inspire through a pirouette, but we still heal and inspire. [Maureen] Which center did Seth teach through? [MEntity] Intellectual, of course. If the teaching is vocal, it is Intellectual. All Entities as they pass through the Causal will teach the Physical Plane in some way, so there must be a multitude of channels and methods of teaching. The variation of Parallels allows for all Entities to have sets of parallels that are focused on their collection of students. Within that set, there will be at least one parallel where the incarnation as Transcendental Soul is fulfilled. As for the state of Transcendental Souls on the planet, there are very few in this parallel. [Kurtis] Hi Michael, in the OMW section of this site I found some nifty information on how Aggression and Power Modes evolve intimacy. "...Aggression is an exalted action Overleaf. Aggression evolves intimacy by way of constant change, movement, activity, progress. One must be able to "keep up." Intimacy is nearly impossible with someone who might wish to slow you down, tame you, or fault you for constant change of focus and directions." "...Power Mode is about Being Present. It is an Expressive Overleaf, not an action, so it will be about making your presence known in some way. It is about owning your presence, being comfortable in your skin, "being yourself." In other words, how you might evolve intimacy is in how much of "you" can be present, be permitted, allowed, without shame, silencing, etc." I was wondering if you could provide the same info for how the other modes evolve intimacy like those examples. Particularly Observation, Passion and Reserve, as most students here are or slide to those modes. I don't want to take too much time off of others questions so if all other 5 can't be fit in, just cut some off of course and I can ask for them another time. [MEntity] For Observation Mode, it is a matter of truly seeing and being seen. The key, however, is that it is not a static state. It is an evolving, shifting, and adaptive state of seeing and being seen. Intimacy for Observation Mode is killed if someone locks him or her in one version of himself or herself. If the one in Observation does not allow for the variations and facets of others, but locks them into one preference or expectation, this begins to repel the other. For Passion Mode, intimacy is evolved through each being extensions of the other. This can show up in a range between co-dependency and co-creation. Co-dependency expects the other to represent himself or herself. Behaving in ways that are outside of the range of Passion's own behavior can be startling and divisive. This can still lead to intimacy, depending upon the relationship, because some are drawn to Passion precisely for that context of personal transformation. If this is not an understood dynamic, it can be messy. This is usually the case when Passion is used or sought for teaching. Co-creation is a dynamic of inspiration that feeds from one another as Passion learns about the self through other. This is more appealing, as both are learning then. Both are teachers. Reserve evolves in intimacy through layers of reveal. It must be experienced and processed as layers, not as a dive into a deep pool, but as a cool or warm sip at a time. As you can see, the reason Observation cannot be static is because it can slide to any of these, and each of these are valid paths of intimacy. We can elaborate upon all of these as a topic of focus, if that is requested. [ViP1] Why is it necessary for an Entity to reunite before cycling off the Astral plane to the Causal plane, as compared to fragments being able to reside on, or move to, the Causal plane without that happening first? (Or even before that, if I remember correctly, possibly by the 6th level of the Astral?) Is the sheer amount of input on the Causal plane too much for a single fragment to process without the bonding and resonance with the rest of the Entity in place? [MEntity] There could be two valid responses to that question. One is that your latter suggestion is true. To move through the Causal as a fragment would "destroy" the fragment. The density of the Plane is such that the physics would disintegrate the fragment. There may be more accurate words to describe this, but it is fair enough in terms of understanding it here. We can only speculate on this, of course, as no individual fragment has resided in the Causal. In much the same way that your Physical Body could not be sustained in the Astral, neither can the Astral Body be sustained in the Causal. At least, not in the way it was used in the Astral. [ViP1] ok (I thought individual fragments also had Causal bodies, but perhaps these are built such that they must "hook in" to the Causal body of the Entity as a whole?) [MEntity] Your response here leads to our second answer. The reason one is referred to as a fragment is because one is already a part of a whole. That whole already exists, and as one moves beyond the denser planes, that fragmentation is naturally left behind, even if the "individual" is not. Your "Causal" Bodies ARE your Entity. It is a field shared across all fragments of that Entity. As a Physical Incarnation, this may be more nuanced in its relevance to the fragment, but it is still connected across all fragments. Imagine an ice cube tray that could produce 1000 cubes. Your Entity is a perpetually replenished pitcher of water poured into that tray, divided into cubes. When frozen, that is like an incarnation. When thawed, that is like the Astral. When poured back into the pitcher, it is the Causal. So it is not so much that the fragment would be "destroyed" as an individual in the Causal, but that the very nature of progression to the Causal, naturally, requires a different state. As an ice cube, "you" are destroyed. But everything that made up that ice cube is never lost. [ViP1] and all ice cube shapes are stored in the Akashic [MEntity] We realize these are crude analogies, but they work. To include how the Akashic fits into this, we would have to move to a different analogy or metaphor, as it is not a Plane in which anyone resides, but is only accessed. It is more like the center of a vortex that exists because of what is spinning around it. A donut hole, if you will. [ROYCEonROIDS] Art as I know it at its best is a reflection of the mysterious, the wonder, the beyond words. As the world begins to approach an old soul paradigm in a few hundred year or so...how would art change. would it still be necessary in the ways we know it? as more PEOPLE become the reflection of that WONDER that art encapsulated, what place will ART have in that world? [MEntity] Though this varies among Old Soul worlds, Art escalates in range and importance among all of them. It is often no longer confined to a specific range of media or obvious creativity, but comes to include the entire life of an individual, how he or she creates his or her day, etc. This is already being glanced at in your current paradigm, though colored heavily by Young Soul filters. "Reality TV" is, at its heart, a glimpse of Old Soul Art. Becoming a celebrity only because one has become a celebrity is also a distorted form of Old Soul Art. These things may be repulsive to older souls as they are being presented now, but these hint at an undercurrent of acknowledgement of the LIFE as ART. In many Old Soul worlds, Art is entirely experiential and temporal. Exhibitions are sunsets that can never been seen again, or gatherings where spontaneous suggestions are matched up with random individuals who must then perform, create, or do the suggestion, even if it is well outside of their talents. This leads to great rounds of humor and levity that is often at the core of Old Soul arts. Interactivity is highly important to the Old Soul world of art, as well. For example, one installation we know of is something like a steep hill of xylophone-like panels that are carefully arranged in ways that an individual could dance down this hill in any number of ways to create his or her song of spontaneity. Collaborative art is highly important to the Old Soul world of art, as well. In many probabilities, holographic-like galleries are "online" for contributors to create projects that can be altered by anyone from anywhere. No walk through that gallery is met with the same version of the art. Interactivity, Collaboration, Temporal/Amorphous, and spontaneous are key traits for Old Soul arts, though we caution against presuming these traits are definitive. There is more we can say to this subject. [Maureen] I just realized that my question may tie in (indirectly) with Royce's question. "The "rise of the selfie" is pretty well accepted now as a big part of our culture, but I can see the “darker side” of it representing a self absorption and self-indulgence that seems "boundless" some days, especially on facebook where some choose very little actual dialogue and over-posting is like an epidemic. It's a one way blast of "me-ness"." Do you see that so much “self-interest” is related to 1) incomplete 4th Internal Monads, 2) the average Soul Age being Mature (including manifested Soul Age as well), 3) narcissism, 4) pure, unfettered self expression, or 5) all of the above, 6) something else? Any comment on this would be appreciated as I would really like to understand this phenomenon. [MEntity] At no other time in your history has there been such a shared space of celebration of the self. This is a transitional state between Young and Mature. It is beautiful to us. There was a time when it was sinful, shameful, and even evil to look in a mirror, as well as dangerous to be photographed. There was a time when disowning the self in disgust was Holy. Now you are in a time when the mundane is being celebrated. The self is being allowed to be seen, not just in terms of how others see that self, but in terms of how that self wishes to be seen. Yes, there is a clamoring of noise in this celebration, but that is the nature of celebration. You are in a time of liberation, which often comes before freedom. True Freedom. Liberation is the relief that comes with surges of noise while still anchored in some restrictions or extremes, often with great displays for the external world, while True Freedom is owned, experienced, and known, often in quiet, internal ways. It is beautiful to us because it is a step in the direction of acknowledging that you are important, that the mundane is important, that a moment is important, that context exists beyond preordained contexts. Our Species has long been subject to the notion that only the next world is important, or that *things* are important, or that only that which is deemed important is important, and those things are important, but not at the expense of the singular joy in sharing, of expressing, of being, of capturing a moment of mundanity. The species knows that privacy is a concept of the Young Paradigm, and that a Mature and Old Paradigm must embrace a lack of privacy in a healthy way for evolution to continue. Willingly offering up yourself in the most mundane of ways may seem to be a bumbling or chaotic, self-absorbed step, but it is a step in the direction of evolution. If the emphasis were to remain only on privacy and protection, then true invasion is much more likely. But in the same way that hackers teach systems better how to manage its delicate systems, so does constant exposure help the species to learn better how to manage its delicate identities. [Maureen] If Liberation is the "negative" pole and Freedom is the "positive" pole -- what are they the poles of? [MEntity] Among your options for describing the motivations of those contributing to the visual cacophony of "selfies" and other related sharing, we can say that "all of the above" would naturally be included because those motivations are reflective of the various fragments and Personalities among you. In response to the last question, it could be said to be the poles at either end of whatever was being oppressed: innocence, power, sexuality, etc. [Maureen] Thanks Michael. That was an interesting answer. [MEntity] When any of these oppressed states are liberated, there is "noise" that then moves into a more peaceful state. We will conclude here for today. Good day to each of you. Goodbye, for now.