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MICHAEL SPEAKS - June 14, 2009 - OPEN FLOOR [Michael Entity] Hello to all of you. We are here now. [QUESTION] Michael. This may seem terribly "basic;" however, due to discussions amongst students, I've become confused about how the various Soul Age Levels apply to Essence's growth and development. When Essence first starts incarnating as an Infant soul, is it actually an Infant soul that then grows and develops as each level is achieved? In other words, do completing Internal Monads in positive pole, Soul Level, and Age, apply to Essence's development? Could you please clarify? [Michael Entity] We think we understand your question and will attempt to respond appropriately. What we would remind you of, first, is that what evolves is the ROLE in Essence. We realize that the terms "Essence" and "Role" are used interchangeably, and fairly so, but they are quite different in technical terms. Much like your Personality and Essence are truly "one," they are still not the same things, technically. For the sake of this response, we will use the terminology of Essence for the part of you that exists with or without a Role. We will use Role to refer to the specific medium through which Essence experiences itself in relation to other fragments sharing a similar agenda, and sharing an intent to be a part of the spiritual ecology of a particular system, such as Earth, all of its life forms, and more specifically, Human Sentience. The PERSONALITY experiences evolution within a single lifetime, from its Infancy to Death. Within that time frame, it goes through rites of passages relative to its physical and psychological age progression and our channels refer to those as Internal Monads. The ROLE also goes through stages that our channels refer to as Internal Monads, which is a different scale than that of the Personality. To help in clarifying this differentiation, we think it would be a good idea to refer to the Internal Monads of the Personality as "The Seven Rites of Passages" as a means to differentiate from the Seven Internal Monads of the Role. The Seven Rites of Passage are still, technically, Internal Monads, but specific to the Personality. Not all stages, or Rites of Passage during a life will be experienced or completed within a single lifetime because of physiological or psychological interruptions, limitations, and interferences. ROLE experiences evolution from its first physical lifetime through its last physical incarnation, even if by proxy (Transcendental or Infinite*). Role's evolution is measured by Internal Monads, as well, but these are relative to the progression through the Soul Levels that you find in the Soul Ages. The Role's evolution through each Level is dependent on each Personality's efforts to progress through its own Rites of Passages. The further a Personality can progress through its Rites of Passages in the positive poles, the further the Role is progressed through its own Internal Monads. The 7 Internal Monads for the Role are the 7 stages of EACH LEVEL of the Soul Ages. Since it can take several Personalities (incarnations) to finally get through the 7 Life Stages, both physiologically and psychologically, it goes that it also takes that many lifetimes for a Role to progress from one level to the next in a Soul Age. With this understanding, you could say that it takes 7 successful Rites of Passages to equate the 7 successful Internal Monads of the Role. The process for the 7 Rites of Passages takes place within the physiological and psychological boundaries of the Personality, whereas the 7 Internal Monads take place within the levels of Essence/Role and is built upon the processes of the Personality. [ADDITIONAL ELABORATION from TROY] There are a couple of ways this evolution happens: COMMON PROCESS (classic process) Let's use a 5th Level Old Sage who is just starting the 5th Level. 5th Level Personality # 1 : lives to 12 years old; finishes the 2nd Rite of Passage (positive pole) 5th Level Personality # 2 : lives to 25 years old; finishes the 3rd Rite of Passage (negative pole) 5th Level Personality # 3 : lives to 50 years old: finishes the 3rd Rite of Passage (negative pole) 5th Level Personality # 4 : lives to 52 years old; finishes 3rd Rite of Passage (positive pole) 5th Level Personality # 5 : lives to 60 years old; finishes 4th Rite of Passage (negative pole) 5th Level Personality # 6 : lives to 45 years old; finishes 4th Rite of Passage (negative pole) 5th Level Personality # 7 : lives to 55 years old; finishes 4th Rite of Passage (positive pole) 5th Level Personality # 8 : lives to 72 years old; finishes 5th Rite of Passage (negative pole) 5th Level Personality # 9 : lives to 65 years old; finishes 5th Rite of Passage (positive pole) 5th Level Personality # 10 lives to 25 years old; finishes 6th Rite of Passage (positive pole) 5th Level Personality # 11 lives to 17 years old; finishes 7th Rite of Passage (positive pole) 7 Rites of Passages Completed; 7 Internal Monads Completed = 5th LEVEL Completed NEXT LIFETIME = 6th Level; and a completely new cycle through the 7 Rites of Passage/7 Internal Monads as a process toward the next soul level/age. Notice that a "short" lifetime can still quickly build upon the collection of past Rites of Passage as a means to "quickly" move into the later Passages. It is often the case that if only the 6th and 7th are remaining, a child will generate a terminal illness early in the life, speeding the process of awareness of mortality and impending death as a means to sum up the Rites of Passages, Internal Monads, and Level. RARE or NON-Classic Process: In some lifetimes, it is of interest to the Older Soul to transit a Level WITHIN the lifetime. This is rare, but not so rare for Older Souls. When this happens, the lifetime is quite literally "two lifetimes in one." There are a multitude of reasons for choosing this process, and here's how it works: Let's use a 5th Level Old Sage who decides to transit Soul Levels within a lifetime. Only the 6th and 7th Rites were not completed for the 5th Level, so rather than have a short life, or die when the 6th and 7th Rites are completed, the lifetime continues into a new cycle of Rites of Passages. When this happens, the Personality literally goes through a phase of deep awareness of its mortality and senses an impending "death." All Rites of Passages are physiological and psychological. We often think of these as relative to the physical age, but that just so happens to be a classic pattern. The actual Rites can happen at any physical age. It's the psychological levels that are the important dimensions. That's why someone can be stuck in the 3rd Rite of Passage, but be 80 years old. It's also why a 12 year old can be processing the 6th Rite of Passage. So when a person is transiting Soul Levels during a lifetime, it means they are also completing in the positive pole the 7th Rite of Passage. When that happens, the person undergoes a kind of psychological death (7th Rite), the Soul Level transit happens, and a psychological rebirth (1st Rite) happens, regardless of physical age. The following Rites of Passage will now add an interesting process to the lifetime as the person, regardless of physical age, now processes this rebirth, and then attempts the 2nd Rite of Mobility, the 3rd Rite of Independence, etc. as far as they can go with what years are left within the lifetime. Sometimes they only get through the first or second Rite, sometimes further. [END NOTE FROM TROY] [QUESTION] Does this mean that Essence can have multiple Roles incarnating -- what makes up Grand Cycles? [Michael Entity] With all of this being said, the ROLE starts as an "infant" because it is relative to its current cycle of exploration within a specific species, but the Spark who is Essence existed long before this current Role and species. There are other species and systems through which an Essence/Spark has already explored, from the initial choosing of a Role to its reunion with Tao. We refer to the entirety of this process as a Grand Cycle. Your Role does not change during one of these Grand Cycles, but once that Grand Cycle is completed, the Role is discarded, along with all of its dynamics, such as Frequency and Male/Female Energy Ratios, Essence Twins, Task Companions, Entities, Cadres, etc. and when a new Grand Cycle is chosen, all of those elements are chosen anew. [COMMENT] so, it's the Role that cycles off [Michael Entity] The Grand Cycle is to your Essence/Spark, what each Personality is to your Role. Most fragments within the Human Species have an average of 3 Grand Cycles. Most of our students, which is one Energy Ring, or 12 Cadres, share an average of 9 Grand Cycles. Essence does not evolve without the Role and the Role does not evolve without the Personality. Personality does not evolve without the 7 Rites of Passages. We realize we meandered through a response as a means to help provide context for our response. Did this answer you sufficiently for now? [COMMENT] Oh, indeed! Much more than I expected . . .everything clicked into place; thank you! [COMMENT] for me too!:) [COMMENT] Same here [COMMENT] wow; this is amazing good stuff - thank you [Michael Entity] In conclusion, the Essence/Spark DOES evolve, but it is on a different scale of measurement. There is a time when the Essence/Spark is an "infant," so to speak, but it inherently retains all of the qualities of Tao. The Essence/Spark's scale of evolution is of such a scale that the results would be difficult to comprehend. From what we understand, each Essence/Spark eventually runs its own universe, eventually fragmenting itself and continuing the spectacular creativity that is Tao, becoming its own "god," if you will. But this is not something one need concern oneself with as you consider how to pay your bills and get along with your loved ones. The number of Grand Cycles does have some effect on the way a Role will show up, even in its first Infant lifetime. Those with higher Grand Cycles can tend to seem much wiser than those with fewer Grand Cycles, which is why Entities and Cadres who share an average of Grand Cycles tend to incarnate quite tightly at first so that no one "sticks out." As the Role evolves, the Entities and Cadres "spread out" and are more capable of blending in with other fragments who may have more or less Grand Cycles. [COMMENT] Sometimes, I think we incarnate to escape the complexities of it all...we come here to stop and smell the roses so to speak [Michael Entity] We would agree, especially for those lifetimes having a Goal of Flow or Re-evaluation. Next question. [QUESTION] Back to basics 101 - I need a refresher on how to break the hold of the negative pole of Flow - Stagnation/Inertia. Would Michael offer some practical suggestions on dealing with this problem when it is hard just to do/start anything? I hope this is general enough - dealing with the negative pole of Flow. ( And yes, I see NCF playing a role in this as well, :) ) I think I'm stuck smelling the roses in only one place, hehehe [Michael Entity] One of the most effective ways of breaking Inertia is to surrender to it. This may seem counter to the intent, but one of the things that keeps a person locked in Inertia is the sense of "running in place," or "doing a lot of nothing." When one can surrender to the gravity that seems to keep one in place, the footing can be regained, or the sense of productivity and fulfillment can be regained. The point of having a Goal of Flow is to learn how to navigate within the currents that are natural to the life, and often those currents swirl, so to speak, or slow, or eddy. [COMMENT] . . . or get stuck on the rocks, hehe [Michael Entity] One of the greatest challenges for those in Flow is to overcome the pressure to show evidence and justification for their presence. [COMMENT] and NCF gets you on that part, for sure [COMMENT] oh boy do I get that... [COMMENT] me too [COMMENT] same here [COMMENT] It certainly affected me and I'm not in Flow [COMMENT] definitely me too [Michael Entity] When a fragment chooses Flow as a Goal, it is because there is an interest in the nuances and subtleties of existence and this increases the sensitivity of the Personality. [COMMENT] a big Ah [COMMENT] I second that! [COMMENT] So, smell that rose until it blackens, shrivels, and dries :) [COMMENT] .... and then make potpourri! [COMMENT] hehehe [COMMENT] yes! [COMMENT] lol [Michael Entity] This sensitivity is heightened so as to develop an intuitive grasp of the life and its natural flow, much like one might have when navigating a boat, skateboard, or other vehicle of momentum that pulls all of the senses together to calculate navigation without having to over analyze. [COMMENT] I understand this completely [COMMENT] hmm, maybe why this is why I think well while driving, lol; driving alone that is [COMMENT] I absolutely understand the idea of subtle navigation [Michael Entity] However, this sensitivity then leads to an awareness of all of the subtleties of one's "insides," so to speak, so all of the areas within oneself that are not flowing freely are felt, too. [COMMENT] perhaps that is part of the problem - a feeling that the natural flow is being blocked and feeling uncomfortable with that and wanting to 'flow' again - and not quite seeing how to get back there. [Michael Entity] Often, the Personality will turn to external environments for the solution to the lack of freedom within. [COMMENT] hence the inertia... [Michael Entity] Flowing externally and can help the flow, internally, but often it can take internal adjustments, as well. [COMMENT] ok [COMMENT] empty the well - so; it can be refilled [Michael Entity] Both the internal and external are connected, and one can help the other, but when one is neglected over the other, it can cause the sense of inertia, no matter how productive and free the life can seem in one area over the other. One of the most effective ways we've seen our students understand the concept of FLOW is to set alongside it the concept of PERMISSION. [COMMENT] ah to allow the flow...... [Michael Entity] When one feels the life is not flowing, internally or externally, it can help to ask where one has limited his or her sense of Permission. And often that permission is the barrier to the very simple and freeing experience of Relaxation. To relax. To embrace. To allow. To Be. Without apology or proof. [COMMENT] oh geeze, yes [COMMENT] thank you! [Michael Entity] We have more to say about this, especially in terms of how the negative pole can be shifted by using the positive pole of the other Goals, but we will elaborate on that in other sessions. Next Question [COMMENT] thank you very much, Michael [COMMENT] that was excellent; thank you :) [COMMENT] it was very freeing for me [COMMENT] quite excellent! :) [COMMENT] :heart: it [COMMENT] Today is a joy! [QUESTION] Hello Michael, my question has to do with choosing overleaves. In reviewing [between lives] does the fragment look over the whole series of incarnations to decide, or find a particular lifetime where something got missed... could you give me an example of how I chose this life's overleaves? [Michael Entity] There are basically three ways a fragment will choose its Overleaves: Randomly, Out of Curiosity, and Through Calculation. Earliest Personalities of the Infant Soul are a product of Randomness, with "random" simply meaning that no intent or calculation was involved in the choice, though choice was still involved. Late Baby through Early Mature bring Personalities that are products of Curiosity, meaning that there is more involved in the choice of Overleaves, but often with an "I wonder what would happen if..." kind of perspective. Mid Mature through Late Old can bring the most calculated Personalities, as the intent for final comprehension, integration, and commitment to the path for that fragment ensues. 7th Level Old is a free-for-all, which is why many who are truly 7th Level Old do not appear to be Old at all, since the Personalities are not of those you would presume to be so wise. But that is a perk of "getting older," in that one is no longer constrained by fears, obligations, ties, etc. and one can finally play with lifetimes in a way that are thoroughly understood as safe. [COMMENT] the perks of Old Age.....:) [Michael Entity] Some of the oldest souls on your planet are simply annoying and bring nothing of obvious value to society or to their social circles. Some of the "wisest," most spiritual and grounded of souls on your planet are far younger in soul age than one might presume, but many of these guru-like fragments are caught in the maya of what "wise" should look like, and play the role quite well. [COMMENT] I have always felt I planned all this since I was a kid [Michael Entity] The mapping of a lifetime, and the adherence to that map, vary from fragment to fragment, Personality to Personality. It would be accurate to say that you are of the more calculated choice in Overleaves and that your Personality found the mapping of your life to be of value, and adheres to that map within reason. Next question [QUESTION] abandonment - we all do this a lot , we come together, we go apart , that is life, as we know it... so, what can you tell me, that would help all of us, with this type of issue involved with our passages through our lives -- i am sure, it is a theme for many -- how deeply rooted is ABANDONMENT/does it have 7 levels; and; how do each of the 7 chief dragons affect it, like impatience, arrogance, self dep; self destruction, etc [Michael Entity] True Abandonment is of such popularity for exploration by souls that it is within the 30 "Classic" (external) Monads: the Abandoned and the Abandoner. It is quite popular for the same reasons that the other relationships are popular: it is an accelerated experience that holds great potential for learning about oneself. True Abandonment is an experience that eventually leads to a discovery of self-value and empowerment that, when discovered, is unprecedented. True Abandonment is antithesis to the truth of your resonance with others, and to experience it pushes one to question the value of oneself in ways that few other experiences push one to question in that way. The process of being abandoned, and the process of questioning, can be extremely painful until the lies are worked through and the truth is finally comprehended: that the value of self is never dependent upon the relative position one is within a relationship; and that the experience of abandonment is, ironically, due to the overblown value one has placed upon another fragment over self. [COMMENT] BINGO! [COMMENT] wow [COMMENT] (no wonder why sometimes, it is so easy to just detach) [COMMENT] what will the wind blow in next LOL sort of the like the ocean tide that deposits its treasures [COMMENT] I learned a lot of that in this go-round with my Father was a double-edged sword understanding intellectually why but an emotional hile [Michael Entity] There are 7 Circles of Abandonment that one can initiate or experience: Survival Abandonment: which is the abandonment of a position that is necessary for the survival of another, such as a mother abandoning a baby in a ditch. Sexual Abandonment: which is the abandonment of a position that nurtures another in an intimate way, either literally sexually, or simply as embracing the Other as Oneself. Physical Abandonment: which is the abandonment of a position that was necessary for the mobility and productivity of another fragment. Emotional Abandonment: which is the abandonment of a position that embraces another fragment with room to Be without explanation or apology. Intellectual Abandonment: which is the abandonment of a position of communication and exchange with another. Intuitive Abandonment: which is the abandonment of a position of encouragement for upholding the fulfillment of visions, dreams, and wishes. Spiritual Abandonment: which is the abandonment of a position of guidance and clarity for the bigger picture and pattern of the life. [COMMENT] wow-this is very deep stuff--you are writing a book of great value troy/michael-as, you do this [COMMENT] that alone gives me mucho food for ponderings [Michael Entity] In instances of True Abandonment, Karma is often created. When we say True Abandonment, we mean that one has instilled oneself as a provider for a particular context, and then bails on the responsibilities of that position upon which another became dependent. When one experiences True Abandonment, the effects are valid and we do not mean to suggest that they are not, though we do suggest that most of the contexts can be overcome as the individual fragment finds his or her own sense of value. In the first context of Survival, the exploration of value is dependent upon Essence, not the Personality. The Essence will either let the life go as a means to start again in another life, or find a way to get help to the Personality that has been abandoned, if the Personality is receptive to that help. [COMMENT] And all the 7 seems to relate somehow with the 7 chakras and centers too [Michael Entity] Yes, there is a relevant parallel to the Chakras. [COMMENT] (you can NOT make someone else into something of value-they must learn to do that for themselves-otherwise, they do NOT appreciate it , as, they would, if they earned the rite of passage for themselves) [QUESTION] Every Personality can experience many abandonments which are only experience -- not Monadal levels of True Abandonment? [Michael Entity] The Monadal process of Abandoned/Abandoner would focus on a single Circle, or context, emphasizing, for instance, Sexual Abandonment or Intuitive Abandonment. The Monad of Abandoned/Abandoner can be played out multiple times across different relationships for emphasis on the different Circles, or contexts. We would also wish to clarify that we use the term True Abandonment to refer to the legitimate relinquishing of responsibilities for a position that was originally, mutually agreed upon. This is to differentiate from the INTERPRETATION of Abandonment that is merely a reaction to the disappointment that someone did not fulfill your expectations. Most instances of True Abandonment are thoroughly explored by mid to late Mature. Most instances of abandonment after that are those of interpretation and directly related to self-karmic issues (personal, internal divisions within) that one is working on resolving. Last question. [QUESTION] An Infant soul has certain characteristics. Are these Infant Soul characteristics similar to what is experienced at each level. So that a person at a level one Old soul age, will be orienting to this new Age with some of the perspective of an Infant but specifically to the Old Soul experience. [Michael Entity] That is a valid observation. It could be said that the First Level of any Soul Age is the "infant" level of that soul age, and so on. The 6th and 7th Levels of a Soul Age would resonate to the Transcendental and Infinite Soul Ages, wherein the 6th Level is a process of opening to the collective experiences of your Essence for guidance through the life, and the 7th Level is a process of openness to one's Entity for guidance for the life. While this is not a strict correlation, it is one that can help lend understanding to each Level. We will conclude here. Good day to each of you. Goodbye.
[Private session content posted by Troy with permission on November 30, 2004] Troy: I’ve wanted to have Michael respond to this (and several other questions) for some time now, so here we go: ALAN ASKED: If a person abandons his/her partner and the partner commits suicide does that person who leaves incur any karma? Does the person committing suicide incur self karma? MICHAEL: Abandonment can lead to Karma if the abandoned party was left with an obvious interference to his or her ability to choose. Many who choose to “abandon” another fragment are simply choosing a different path, which is healthy and natural in the process of a lifetime; however, those “left behind” by the fragment will usually generate Self-Karma as a result, unless (as stated) an interference to his or her ability to choose is a direct result of that “abandonment.” Karmic Abandonment can be seen in instances where a helpless child or invalid is left to die or starve as a result of the Abandonment (or Neglect). An adult who is simply attached to another fragment who is choosing another path cannot hold the “abandoning” fragment as responsible for the feelings that are generated from that experience. Suicide is a choice. If a person has the means, the power, and the tools to commit suicide, he or she also has the means, power, and tools to choose otherwise. Therefore, suicide is rarely a direct result of Abandonment, but more a direct result of False Personality and the self-convincing of worthlessness. Suicide is chosen for one of two reasons: the individual has determined that she will absolutely NEVER have the one (or more) things that would finally, absolutely prove she is worthy; or the individual has profoundly determined that she has gained everything that can possibly be gained from the current lifetime and that she is “done.” Suicide extends from Self-destruction, but at its more peaceful end of the spectrum can also arise from the qualities of Greed, and is usually restricted to those who have heavy Intellectual Centering with very little ability to funnel the processes of thought appropriately. Self-Karma is never directly related to a past life. All Self-Karma is generated WITHIN the current lifetime. This does not mean there are no resonances, patterns, and themes across lifetimes as related to Self-Karma, but all Self-Karma is created by the Personality throughout the dynamics of remembering how to choose again within the current lifetime. This is why we call it Self-Karma, as it has to do with that particular “self”, or Personality. Self-Karma is the list of “issues” you have acquired that divide the self into two polarities and you may or may not seek to resolve that polarity within the lifetime. Self-Karma is always a matter of being able to see two sides to an issue, being aware that you are choosing only one side, but eventually seeking to comprehend the spectrum of that issue, and learning to choose appropriately within that experience. Self-Karma is always about YOU in relation to You, Others, Situations, or Events. An example from each might be: Self-Karma in relation to YOU I eat too much/I enjoy eating Self-Karma in relation to OTHERS I am unlovable/I am lovable Self-Karma in relation to SITUATIONS I can’t do it/I can learn Self-Karma in relation to EVENTS The world is getting worse/I see potential and can effect changes Each of these examples would have a “middle ground” to be found that acknowledges both ends of the polarized experience, yet resolves the issue; therefore relieving the Personality of that Self-Karma. We can speak more thoroughly about Self-Karma in future exchanges or in a class, but we believe this will give you enough for consideration in relation to the question.