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November 4, 2004 Troy Tolley, Channel MICHAEL SPEAKS Online – Open Floor [Michael_Entity] Hello to all of you. We are here. We realize that there is a great deal of dismay following your most recent United States of America election for 2004 presidency. This is to be expected when observing the surface of the events, but when the emotional and intellectual reactions clear, there will be more clarity and certainty than presently anticipated. Currently the United States is predominantly Mature Soul as an average soul age, but Young Soul perceptions are the predominant perception, even among the majority of Mature Souls. It is a confusing time for the United States as it transits from the Young Soul values and perception and into the Mature Soul values and perceptions. Most of the Mature Souls in the United States are 1st Level to 3rd Level Mature and this does not make for strong stances for Mature Soul values. With approximately 90 million Young Souls and 100 million 1st through 3rd-Level Mature Souls dominating your country, it could be said that nearly 200 million fragments are contributing to the paradigm of the Young Soul. This number is more than the number of counted voters in your most recent election, from what we can determine at this point. If every Old Soul and every 4th Level Mature to 7th Level Mature Soul were to have contributed to the vote, that number would only be approximately 40.5 million fragments. If you factor in the Baby Soul population, the older fragments with the higher perspectives are vastly outnumbered. We share these “statistics” with you as a means to put into perspective how the United States is growing, progressing, and maturing in its own natural way. We have stated before, but will state again, that one of the catalysts for final implementation of Mature Soul values and perspective is THROUGH the medium of Young Soul events. It is naturally, the “only way”. From our perspective, it is important to note that more Mature Souls voted in this election than did Young Souls. But with the inclination to support familiar Young Soul values, it could be said that nearly half of the counted votes were collected from “young souls”. The impact of electing the current president will most likely be the final catalyst for the implementation of a Mature Soul paradigm. The Mature Souls who voted for the current president of the United States are eager for something dramatic to change the paradigm to which that country subscribes. From the Personality level the votes were cast as a means to uphold the familiar, but on an Essence Level, the votes were cast as the most potentially-combustible and permanent path of change available in your time. The contrast between “now” and the time of what would be your next election may be quite striking and, in the end, quite beneficial. We will open the floor to your questions now. [Questioner] also aren’t many of the “older” souls still children, and not of voting age? [Michael_Entity] Of the 40+ million fragments we would refer to as “older souls”, it is valid that approximately 25 million of these fragments are under the legal voting age. [Questioner] What can you see happening in the next 4 years that would be beneficial? In other words, can you be more specific? [Michael_Entity] We do not (and cannot) predict, but we can see the probabilities that appear to be more or less likely to manifest. The term “beneficial” is subjective, but we will use it in the context of events contributing to the stability of Mature Soul perception. In that context, there are two major events of high probability that will contribute to that change: 1. the assassination or dramatic unseating of your current president; and 2. the revelation and factual reveal that both elections of the current president of the United States were a result of conspiracy We do not wish to “add fire” to the concept of “conspiracy”, but part of your dismay and intuitive repulsion to the recent election is not rooted simply in disappointment. Your inner perception of this event will more than likely be vindicated within the next 4 years. The “benefit” then of this election will most likely be the complete overhaul of an outdated voting and political system. When your voting system and methods have been changed and implemented, you will then know you live in a Mature Soul world. [Questioner] Can Michael suggest ways that we can stay in positive poles and avoid getting caught up in Maya and our Chief Features (fears) on an individual level during this difficult time? [Michael_Entity] If you wish to stay in the positive poles of your overleaves, we suggest considering this time frame as no different from any other time frame in your life. It is not the first time you have been disappointed, betrayed, or appalled. That is simply a part of life and this time is no more difficult than any other. Most of the “difficulty” that is being experienced at this time by older fragments is an exaggerated emotional extrapolation from the speculation or expectations of the resulted events, but not from the reality of the events. In other words, where the early Mature Souls are living through outdated Young Soul perspectives, the older souls are living through outdated Mature Soul perceptions, tending to over-dramatize events as a means of alleviating boredom and rediscovering purpose. Therefore, within the context of this specific disappointment and dismay (the election), and the resulting drama that may begin to unfold from this, we suggest a conscious examination of your specific Soul Age. We suggest gently examining your True Soul Age and implementing your own paradigm in ways that you are capable of living. It could easily be said that if the older fragments do not implement their own soul age, it does nothing to help the evolution of perspective among other fragments. In other words, “be yourself”. Find ways to BE more fully who you are. If you are confused about what it means to “be yourself”, this phrase always means being who you WANT to be at that moment. There is no way you CANNOT “be yourself”, but being conscious of the process and expression can help navigate you through your personal world more peacefully and with more fulfillment. [Questioner] Regarding the emphasis placed on “moral values” among voters, and the alarming growth of Christian fundamentalism since the 1990s (which is equally repugnant to liberal Christians like myself, and non-Christians), this [moral value] seems to have a broader appeal than just among Baby souls looking for religious structure: is that true, and what would be the reasons for it among other soul ages? [Michael_Entity] There are several reasons that may apply here: One is that most organized religions are not “spiritual”, but more a means of competition, territorialism, division, and gain. Christianity marked the full implementation of the Young Soul age on your planet, so it is not surprising that Christianity is the primary religion of a Young Soul country. “Christian Moral Values” is simply a Young Soul means of justifying the methods of protecting the comforts of gained territory, wealth, security, etc. Another reason for the appeal among various soul ages is that it is simply the popular religion of the United States. Along with iPods and AOL, most fragments in a Young Soul paradigm find the most popular to be the most appealing, regardless of the quality, resonance, or practicality. All soul ages are susceptible to that appeal when living in the Young Soul paradigm. And finally, of course, there are legitimate levels of spirituality found by any soul age in any distorted religions of your time frame. All religions were initiated or built upon a legitimate spiritual tenet. SIDE NOTE: It may be of interest to you to note that Religion is a Young Soul construct using the ingredients of Baby Soul myths. It is many times thought that Religion is a Baby Soul construct, but that has never been the case. Religion is highly appealing to Baby Souls, but it is the Young Souls who manage that business. We have yet to see a more powerfully marketed, unquestioningly-purchased, and ultimately pointless product on your planet. This is not to say that value is not ultimately extracted from the experience, but we have seen more detours in personal and global evolution due to the freely-accepted oppression of religion than from any other context in your history. [Questioner] Will fundamentalism continue to grow, or will there be greater tolerance for things like gay marriage? [Michael_Entity] Religion, Politics, and Commercialism will continue to collapse and rebuild itself in a way that accounts for diversity, not conformity. That is the key difference between where your world is moving and from where it is coming. It is already happening without being truly noticed, but it is happening. The implementation of hundreds of television channels, for instance, is a Mature Soul paradigm. The “death” of subsidized radio and a restricted music industry is another. The internet is yet another. When diversity becomes the foundation of Politics, Spirituality, and marketing, you are in a Mature Soul paradigm. In more specific response to your question: There is an irony in the current election result and the revival of religious fundamentalism: many Mature Soul personalities may soon, suddenly, discover that they simply do not fit into the very world they sought to sustain. Consider a teenager who has taken great steps to rebel against the obvious future of his responsibility as an adult; so, too has the Mature Soul rebelled within the comfortable paradigm of the Young Soul. But as with the teenager, the Mature Soul will simply find it exhausting to maintain a paradigm from which it is inherently alien and eventually embrace its growth. [Questioner] Is the Diebold company part of the conspiracy? [Michael_Entity] Of course it is. [Questioner] sequoia? [Michael_Entity] Of course it is. We do not wish to convey that all parties involved within those services are part of “a conspiracy”, but there are a handful of fragments with an agenda that is as obvious to us as it is to you. There is an 89% probability of this fraudulence being validated publicly, though actions taken as a result of this may be less-obvious until much later. We will conclude with the next question. [Questioner] The fraudulence of which you speak: Is this part of the so-called 10-year program designed to hypnotize people to vote against their own best interest? [Michael_Entity] No. We know of no such program in which “hypnotism” is involved. The fraudulence of which we speak is simple misrepresentation. If all votes were counted accurately, you would not have your current president. We will conclude with a statement: It is important that you consider choosing for your emphasis to be on the greater patterns of your planet’s evolution in Soul Age. While it may be exciting to speculate wildly about the dramatic possibilities, it is also as exciting to consider the beauty and innocence that IS your fellow sentience. As the Mature Souls must eventually let go of their Young Soul paradigm, so does the older soul have to eventually let go of the Mature Soul paradigm (at least, internally). Consider that there is an irony in your distaste and repulsion at this time: it is a clue to your next (and possibly last) step toward Agape. How do you love the unlovable? How do you love those who hate? How do you perceive innocence in the midst of violence? How do you extract possibilities in the midst of restriction? This current event is not just about your planet’s evolution through an average soul age, but about your own Soul Age that is under self-scrutiny at this time. Can you love? Can you rediscover trust in a way that includes the soul of another beyond his False Personality? We do not ask these questions as a means to convey “new age” clichés, but as a valid response to many of your feelings at this time. Beauty is defined by us as “the recognition of patterns”. Chaos is “the lack of recognition of patterns.” You live in an intelligent universe within an intelligent design that allows for both Beauty and Chaos, both of which are simply a matter of perspective. The Older Soul is capable of acknowledging Chaos, while perceiving Beauty. Regardless of any physical, emotional, or intellectual circumstance, the choice will always be yours. We will conclude here. Good night to all of you. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: Based on our recent chat with Michael, I thought it was interesting to explore further the numbers Michael shared. United States’ population is approximately 303,000,000 (according to Michael). Soul Age Demographics: 17,450,000 Old (about 6%) 123,000,000 Mature (about 41%) 90,000,000 Young (about 30%) 67,850,000 Baby (about 22%) 5,000,000 Infant (about 1%) Total Counted Votes Soul Age Demographic Breakdown: – 15,000,000 Mature/Old (older souls) 13% of the votes – 45,000,000 Early Mature 39% of the votes – 30,000,000 Young 26% of the votes – 25,000,000 Baby 22% of the votes An extremely minor number of Infant Souls voted. This accounts for about 38-39% of the population of the United States. 51% of the votes for Bush = 40,500,000 Mature (about 99% Early Mature) 9,000,000 Young (about 99% Early Young) 10,000,000 Baby (about 99% Early Baby) 48% of the votes for Kerry = 15,000,000 Late Mature/Old (older souls) 4,500,000 Early Mature 21,000,000 Young (about 1% Early Young) 15,000,000 Baby (about .5% Early Baby) Michael explained to me while I looked at these numbers that far more late-level Baby and Young Souls (in this case, 5th level to 7th level) voted democratically than did early Mature. They explained that this is because those in the latter levels of a Soul Age are more likely to intuitively anticipate the most useful future environment for their growth, but the earlier levels of a Soul Age are more inclined toward what has become familiar and comfortable. So it looks like the votes were affected not by Soul Age, but by Soul Age LEVELS! I had never considered that before! Michael went on to explain that they believe over 2,000,000 votes were discarded, uncounted, or rendered unacceptable and that over half of those were for invalid reasons and in “key states.”
August 5, 2004 Troy Tolley, Channel Michael Speaks – Open Floor [Question] Could Michael comment on some of the channeled material from “The Pathwork” and Duane and Sayana Roman? Are these astral or causal entities? Are these channeled materials helpful? [MEntity] We are familiar with “Orin” and “DaBen” as presented through Duane Packer and Sanaya Roman. “Orin” and “DaBen” are what might be called the “Oversouls” of the two fragments in question. Orin and DaBen are the personifications of the representative, collective knowledge gained by the entities to which Duane and Sanaya belong. Rather than channeling a separate entity, such as our channels do for us, Duane and Sanaya are actually channeling their own Entities. This is NOT in the form that a Transcendental or Infinite Soul would manifest, but simply as an Old Soul would creatively convey the knowledge that “bleeds through” the collective of an entity that is nearly completed in its physical plane cycle. Although a bit confusing to linear thinking, it could even be said that Duane and Sanaya are channeling their “future selves”. Each of you have two types of “Oversoul”. One is the collective identity of the Entity to which you belong, while the other is the collective identity represented by the name of a lifetime in which your Essence felt particularly personified. “Orin” and “DaBen” are variations on the names of the individual Oversouls, but the source of information between Orin and DaBen is the collective Entity to which Sanaya and Duane belong. The channeling is not only valid, it is “helpful”. [Question] There is a journalist by the name of Goeff Dividian who runs the putnampit.com, and shorewoodvillage.com. He seems to be on the same angle of reporting as Michael Moore can you tell us anything about him? Thank You [MEntity] This appears to be another witty and media-savvy Sage who has the ability to root to the underpinnings of a story and present it to the public, even if this means lacing it with entertainment. There is a bit of showmanship and identity distortion involved around this Sage, so we are unclear if he will be able to be taken as seriously as the Sage who is Michael Moore. He is another member of Cadre 1, Entity 3, if you were wondering. [Question] I was wondering about the hands across technique for centering. I was curious about some examples. [MEntity] The “hands across” technique, as some of our channels refer to it, is the process of utilizing the positive pole of the Overleaf that shares an axis with your original Overleaf… as a means to move that original Overleaf out of the negative pole. For instance: An individual who has chosen ACCEPTANCE as a Goal for the lifetime can easily find she begins to feel Ingratiating (the negative pole). Ingratiation comes from forcing a false form of Acceptance over a genuine form of Acceptance, such as saying “yes” when you mean “no”. Ingratiation can also mean forcing others into a position of Acceptance of YOU that is false, such as assuming someone will “get over it” when you offend him or her. The Positive Pole of Acceptance is AGAPE, which is acceptance without attachment, or LOVE. The partner Goal of Acceptance resting on the same Axis is DISCRIMINATION. The Positive Pole of Discrimination is SOPHISTICATION. When someone finds he or she is in the negative pole of Acceptance, he or she can use the “hands across” technique to quickly and powerfully move out of the negative pole. In this case, it would mean “sliding” to Discrimination’s SOPHISTICATION. Sophistication in our system means being able to determine exactly what is in resonance with YOU, what is in harmony with YOU, and learning how to choose that out of all the choices available to you. A person then who would be using Sophistication to move from Ingratiation would mean that person removes the pressure to accept, and allows himself to say NO to that which is not in harmony with him. In other words, the person gains a much more powerful ability to accept those things that are unacceptable, if he first surrounds himself with that which is more acceptable. [Question] how might this technique be applied to the centering, for example Emotional Center? Does the Center/Part change anything or do you treat them individually? [MEntity] This same method can be done with any Overleaves sharing an Axis. The Emotional Center shares an Axis with the Higher Emotional Center; therefore the “hands across” technique would require access to LOVE, the positive pole of the Higher Emotional Center. Sentimentality (the negative pole of the Emotional Center) is simply about ATTACHMENT to symbols, whereas LOVE is complete detachment. In other words, the way to move from your attachment to symbols is through the act of releasing those symbols. Sentimentality simply means being unable to allow an emotional evolution beyond the pictures you have deemed representative of a feeling you have experienced. The Center/Part does not change how you would treat a “hands across” technique in terms of the Primary Centering. However, your Centering is changeable and is only “Primary” and “Secondary” (part) because of your habitual uses. We note this because it may not be effective to use this technique on such a changeable and malleable system, such as the Centers. In other words, to balance your Emotional Center, it is simply a matter of engaging all other Lower Centers at the same time, which is always the goal. When the Emotional Center is imbalanced, it is most likely due to a lack of use of the Moving or Intellectual Centers appropriately. [Question] In the Seth/Jane Roberts material there is mention of a civilization on Earth called Lamania (not Lemuria). Is the information is valid & accurate, and was I, or any of us here, a part of that civilization? Thank you. [MEntity] We are unfamiliar with a civilization that called itself “Lamania”. The Warrior who is known as Jane Roberts may have expressed a name that was familiar to her or the entity known as Seth, but was known differently to others. The name “Lamania” may have represented any of a few unrecorded civilizations alongside or pre-Lemurian. The only major civilization we are aware of pre-Lemurian is that of the sentient race who completed a cycle before humans and “lemurians”. This race was silicon-based and existed during the later cooling stages of your planet. Our final comment would depend on our channel’s exposure to the source of the term so that we may cross-reference this against the records we use. [Question] Can you talk a bit about probabilities as they stand right now for the coming election in the US, and for our democracy and general sociopolitical situation here in the next couple of decades? Everything feels very fluid and somewhat confusing right now, and many of us feel that our country is not really a political democracy at all anymore. [MEntity] Surprisingly, there is a high probability that the fragment known as “Bush” will be re-elected or remain in office with the use of extenuating circumstances beyond the election date. This stands at a 20% probability, which may seem low, but it is not when compared to the other higher probabilities. The fragment known as Kerry stands at approximately a 30% probability of being elected at this point. We have seen this probability continue to rise. As we have mentioned in previous exchanges: what you recognize today as your system of government does not appear to be in place in approximately 25-50 years. The next two decades looks to bring a much-needed overhaul of an outdated system. [Questioner] I guess I’m wondering if we're heading for chaos in the near future. [MEntity] The process appears to be far smoother than one would expect. We do not (and CANNOT) predict your future, but the probabilities of greatest change appear to be leaning more toward a system of government that actually works for the new average Soul Age (Mature). We did not say there would be no “bumps”. We did not say that, nor did we imply it, but we did say it appears to be a smoother transition than one would expect. There will be “bumps”. Some of them may be harrowing and chaotic, but the recovery and benefit appears to be what makes the transitions seem far smoother than one would have expected. The previous and coming elections appear to be what prompts the pivotal community shift that is required as a means to “clean up” your government. [Questioner] I guess many of us feel like we're helpless to influence any of that right now. [MEntity] That feeling you describe is the “last straw” that will eventually pull your community together to make changes. One of the “bumps” you may sense is the 25% probability of a civil war, though it would manifest as more intellectually-focused than physical. That war has already begun on an emotional level. [Questioner] what is an intellectually-focused civil war? [MEntity] Heated Debate may be the most easily-used phrase to describe an intellectual war. [Question] What is the likelihood of an economic great depression in the foreseeable future, and if so, how will this help the shift in consciousness? And will the economic model of the world shift as well? [MEntity] We do not see a high probability of another “great depression” until around the year 2050, but this is dependent on the shift in government during the 40+ years previous to that. What happens as a result of the upcoming election will actually contribute greatly to whether there is another depression in the following decades. Those probabilities are not calculated as being dependent on which of the fragments known as Bush or Kerry is elected, but rather how the United States manages the results of that election. When we say “united states”, we refer to the community known by that name. The probabilities of a “great depression” during the “foreseeable” future do not look high, then. The shift in the economic model of the world, however, appears inevitable as the years pass and the world grows Mature. The use of a common form of currency will most likely be the first implementation.