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OMW - Aug 7, 2010 - Me and My Karma Troy Tolley, Channel (Note: At the end, the enthusiasm of asking more questions kept on. Troy is supposed to answer those questions. glb) [MEntity] The subject of Karma can be broken down into the two familiar categories of Karma: Self-Karma and Essence-Karma. Most of our students use the term "Karma" to mean that Karma generated between Essences, or Soul-Karma. But these are two distinct categories of Karma: Self-Karma and Soul-Karma, or Essence-Karma, if you prefer to keep with terminology familiar to our teaching. Karma, regardless of category, is a word that describes an imbalance generated from INTENSITY. The degree to which that Intensity is initially experienced is the degree to which that Karma is sub-categorized further within its own category: Major, Minor, and Sundry. This applies even to the category of Self-Karma. The difference between Self-Karma and Soul-Karma is that one is generated on a scale that is contained within the single lifetime and the current Personality, and the other is on a scale that transcends any particular lifetime or Personality. Self-Karma is generated within a lifetime, is contained within that lifetime, and is either resolved, or not, within that lifetime. Motion in this universe is a result of imbalance, so it could be said that Karma is one of the major evolutionary tools that is used by consciousness to grow and move forward. Aside from Essence Recognition, Karma is one of the only ways through which an Essence does evolve, hence its popularity and appeal, despite how messy or painful it can often be to the Personalities involved. Self-Karma is generated within oneself when one begins to generate issues, interpretations, and/or conflicts that divide oneself in a way that pits part of the self against another part. These Self-Karma may be generated from a burst of Intensity or from a build of Intensity, but it is the Intensity that generates the Karma. An extreme of polarities is what generates the Intensity. We know that most of you are familiar with much of the basics we will share here, but for a succinct delivery here, we will not presume to skip those basics. Soul-Karma is generated between one's Essence and another Essence when Intensity generates Imbalance between oneself and another. The key ingredient within all Karma is INTERFERENCE; more specifically, Interference of Choice. Self-Karma and Soul-Karma are not generated without some degree of Interference of Choice. This is obvious on the scale of Soul-Karma, but it is not as obvious on the scale of Self-Karma. On the scale of Self-Karma, those divisions within the self must be interfering with your own capacity to choose for it to be Self-Karma. And so it is that those three elements must be involved for true Karma to have been generated: INTENSITY, IMBALANCE, and INTERFERENCE. One can have an issue with body image, and not have Self-Karma if those three elements are not involved. One can murder another person and not generate Karma if those three elements are not involved. An example of the former might be one who does not enjoy being overweight, and so he keeps himself on a strict exercise routine. He still has body image "issues," but he is actively choosing how to deal with that. An example of the latter might be in the form of euthanasia wherein the very act of murder is embraced. We give those as obvious examples, but there are more complex examples that may not be as easy to understand. In the end, however awful or complicated an issue or event may be, it may or may not involve Karma. Karma is a very personal thing, if you will. [Geraldine] Are the tit-for-tat External Monads karmic? [MEntity] They may or may not be. They are often excellent contexts for Karma, so most often they are Karmic in generation or resolution, but that is not necessary. When one generates Soul-Karma, we describe the record of that imbalance between two Essences as a "Ribbon." We use that term because it almost-literally describes what remains between two Essences when Karma is generated. From an Astral and Causal perspective, one can see literal ribbons stretching among fragments still entangled in Karma. Since there is no physicality as you experience it, those Ribbons do not get snared or entangled with other ribbons, but remain stretched only between those who have generated them. They are more like frequencies than anything, and lock onto each involved. These are "connected" between the Instinctive Centers, or the Root Chakra. At the end of each lifetime, the Instinctive Center is the only Center that remains, with all other data from the other Centers burned to that disc, and this is "pulled" from the body much like a disc from a computer, and carried forth to be used for review, and in the next lifetime. When that disc is "plugged into" a new life, it does not inherently demand that the new Personality burn the Ribbons that have carried over. And this is very important to understand if one is to understand the nature of Choice and Free Will. One is NEVER affected by Past Lives, and one is NEVER obligated to burn Ribbons generated by a previous Personality. Instead, the current Personality will develop its own interests and directions and choices, and those will act as a kind of play of notes within the lifetime that then may resonate with a past life, and resonate with relevant Karmic Ribbons. [Bobby] sure seems like a lot of chance at play there [AnnH] Do we need to burn our ribbons, however, to cycle off the physical--move beyond the 7th Old and reunite with our Entity? That's been my understanding. [MEntity] So the Past is never imposed upon the Present, but the Present pulls in from the past what is relevant. This same equation applies from within a single lifetime. Your childhood never truly imposes itself upon your adulthood, but your adulthood may draw from childhood what is relevant for the present. To address Bobby and AnnH: Therein lies the art of creating a Personality. Essence learns over time how to create a Personality that is more inclined toward certain themes and interests, and while chance may still be involved, it does help the odds of at least one version (parallel) choosing to be open to the past and Ribbons. The 6th Level of every Soul Age inherently finds interest in the past and begins opening to Karmic Ribbons and the search for balance. As many Ribbons as possible are burned during each 6th Level, but not all get burned and then carry forth into the next Soul Age. ALL Major and Minor Karma will be burned before cycling off from the Physical Plane. By the time one is 7th Level Old, not only has most Karma already been addressed, but what might remain is mostly conceptual or emotional and can be done in dream state. Karmic Ribbons are also burned by generating very appealing pay offs for getting involved. [Bobby] I knew it... bribes! :-) [MEntity] For instance, Sex Karma is a very common, beloved, dramatic lure into burning a Ribbon. This is when one "falls in love" only to find that the one with whom one has had this lovely bonding suddenly springs a Ribbon up for burning. Karmic Ribbons, once brought up, are extremely compelling, much like being on the down-side of a hill on ice. [Brian_W] well, that explains most of the male gender [AnnH] Not just men, Brian. I've been on that slippery slope :) [MEntity] It is difficult to break the momentum once one has begun burning a Ribbon. Once the Ribbon is burned in Sex Karma, the partner suddenly seems like a stranger and one can hardly remember why one would ever be attracted to that person. [AnnH] What is Sex Karma, actually? [MEntity] As mentioned before, there are levels of Karma within Karma, so that there are Physical, Emotional, Intellectual, and Spiritual Karma. These are defined by technicalities, but they are often involving more than one of those areas. For instance, an Intellectual Karma may be when one has been tricked into thinking an investment is brilliant. Technically, this is a Conceptual Karma (Intellectual), but one can see that this will also affect one Emotionally and Physically. But for purposes of simplicity in burning Ribbons, the default context will always go to that technicality. Ann: Within those Karmic Contexts, there are lures that are set up for Personalities to find appealling in pulling up and addressing Karmic Ribbons. One of those lures is Sex. We refer to that as Sex Karma. There are a multitude of lures used. Money Karma, Sex Karma, Love Karma, Affection Karma, Acceptance Karma, Specialness Karma, Talent Karma, Power Karma. Depending on the Soul Age and the Personality, certain lures are planted and appealing over others. Despite our calling them 'lures,' it is important to point out that however compelling a Ribbon may be, one may reject the burning of that Ribbon, so one still has Choice. [Brian_W] But wasn't it just stated that it was much more difficult to stop the burning of a Ribbon once it has started? [MEntity] Much more difficult is not the same thing as lacking choice. [AnnH] Is it more difficult for the one who owes the karma to stop the burning than the one who is owed? [MEntity] It must be a mutual exchange. There are many times when one has set up for the burning of a ribbon "owed" to someone, and that person is not interested in taking that on. Balancing a Karma is just as disruptive as creating one. Or we should say, CAN BE. Continuing: Major Karma is that Karma which affects all levels of one's Being: Physical, Emotional, Intellectual, and Spiritual. Minor Karma is that which affects from one to three levels. Sundry Karma is the only Karma that does not actually qualify as Karma, but is included because it is treated the same when it is involved. Sundry Karma never interferes with Choice, but interferes with intentions. It is still an Intensity and Imbalance and Interference, and so is treated as Karma. [Brian_W] would Sundry be considered "those mild annoyances of life?" [MEntity] For instance, you are excited about your wedding and have hired a hairdresser who chops off your bangs and burns your scalp just before the wedding. This is a survivable event on all levels, but certain throws a wrench into the life in a way that generates Imbalance, Intensity, and Interference. Sundry Karma is the only Karma that is not compelling to balance. You may never get to burn off the hair of that hairdresser in another life. Sundry Karma is also often balanced WITHIN the current lifetime and does not carry over. So that the Wedding Fiasco is balanced by a lawsuit or non-payment, etc. All Karma is Imbalance, so all Burning of Ribbons is Balance. To burn a ribbon, or to resolve Self-Karma, the process is always Tri-fold. NEGATIVE-POSITIVE-NEUTRAL, or POSITIVE-NEGATIVE-NEUTRAL. Always resolving in Neutrality. Most "negative" Karma, or those Karma that do not feel so great, are generated from Positive-Negative direction, and received from the Negative-Positive direction. For instance: the one who murders is coming from the Positive-Negative angle, while the one who is murdered receives from the Negative-Positive angle. To bring balance, those polarities must be reversed between the two. [Maureen] In the initial murder - what's the positive and what's the negative? [MEntity] Murderer=Positive since this is the person who activated/created the Karma. Positive in this case is used as the active force, whereas Negative is the receptive. [Maureen] polarities [MEntity] We are not using the terms as describing "good or bad." For most "positive" Karma, or that Karma which feels good, the reverse is true: it is initiated from Negative-Positive, and received as Positive-Negative. This is because most "positive" Karma, such as Philanthropic Karma, is an act of GIVING, not TAKING, and the recipient is Expanded by the experience, rather than Contracted. However, it is still Karmic because it is still Intensity, Imbalance, and Interference. Consider a fragment who is poor who has decided to live a life inspired by his experiences as a resource for his art. Upon having his first attempts at art discovered, a philanthropic gentleman funds the artist entirely, removing all obstacles and challenges that had initially inspired the artist. The artist is certainly not harmed, but does experience his loss of inspiration and artistic motivation, and while his life is for the better on many levels, he still experiences Intensity, Imbalance, and Interference because now he has a new life that was not anticipated or chosen. This same reversal of Polarities for balancing is important for understanding how to resolve Self-Karma, too. And it is also important to understand that Self-Karma also has such instances of "negative" or "positive" Karma, in that some feel good and others do not. "Negative" Self-Karma is obvious as body type issues, habits, addictions, etc. [Private] The artist though, in this instance, is not a victim. He did have a choice, did he not? And he chose to be helped. Maybe I'm just mincing words here. [MEntity] "Positive" Self-Karma can show up as winning the Lottery, having a completely fulfilling intimate relationship, and even having a beautiful day. In response to Private, it is true that he would have had to have chosen to receive the money, but that does not mean he could have anticipated the effects of that, much in the same way that one may "choose" to invest money in a false promise, only to find total loss. [Private] Thanks for the clarification, it was a little cryptic for me initially. [MEntity] The idea of money being a solution for so many problems is very enticing for many in your culture, so to have a windfall of sorts can often throw the life into a spin that could never have been anticipated, and does not solve any of the problems that exist beyond the paying of bills, or the having of certain things. [Private] Right on. [MEntity] In the same way that many have thought that suicide ends emotional despair, only to discover that those emotions are carried over even into the afterlife, so do many who think that money can solve the problems of life find that only new problems arise and old problems fester, even as the bills are now paid. Now, to lead into more personal territory, we will point out that despite the balancing of Karma, either Self- or Soul-, there tend to be patterns for each fragment. Infant Souls generate mostly Spiritual Karma, Baby Souls generate mostly Intellectual Karma, Young Souls generate the most Physical Karma, while Mature Souls generate mostly Emotional Karma. Old Souls tend to move from the emphasis on Soul-Karma toward Self-Karma. Those are patterns, but they are not rules. Across those Patterns, there can tend to be the patterns of Karma specific to a Fragment. [AnnH] I think money is physical. I'm betting Young (Maddoff). [MEntity] Yes, this was technically a Physical Karma in that case, though, of course, it touched on all levels, and is therefore a Major Karma. Each of you have found certain patterns across your incarnations as "fascinating" patterns for exploration in Karma. [Brian_W] I'm curious what those are, even if "I" as a personality didn't create them. [MEntity] For instance, even though one may learn as an Infant Soul what the effects of murder are, and the subsequent balancing of that, one might then murder again as Baby, Young, Mature, so as to experience it from all Soul Ages. As an Old Soul, those patterns can often turn into Self-Karmic explorations. We will share our perspective of each of your patterns as we can see on record for your past incarnations. ANN appears to have a large pattern that revisited the Karma generated from PILLAGING. BOBBY appears to have a large pattern that revisited the Karma generated from WRONGFUL IMPRISONMENT. BRIAN has a larger pattern that revisited the Karma generated from RAPE. Private has a larger pattern that revisited the Karma generated from POISONING. GERALDINE has a larger pattern that revisited the Karma generated from MIND FUCK. MARTHA has a larger pattern that revisited the Karma generated from ABDUCTION, or Kidnapping. MAUREEN has a larger pattern that revisited the Karma generated from LYING. Each of those patterns are not limited to your initial ideas prompted by the term. [AnnH] I get it, if you look at it differently than just physical pillaging. [Brian_W] uh, can't get too more specific with mine. [Geraldine] actually, it can be mental and physical, Brian. [Geraldine] it's taking something with force. [MEntity] None of these terms are specific other than their larger context that includes all versions of that word. [Bobby] If I'm understanding this, these are things we have done or have had done to us? [Geraldine] and I can see why you'd have a Life Task of "intimacy" -- rape is the antithesis of intimacy. [AnnH] wow, yes. [Geraldine] well, both, Bobby -- a pattern would imply payback, too. [MEntity] For instance, POISONING may be literally poisoning another into death, but we include the times when anything physical, emotional, intellectual, or spiritual was sneaked into another without their consent in a way that caused harm. [Private] that happened this lifetime, did it not emotionally, with my mother's actions? [MEntity] Keep in mind that if we are accurate in our assessment, one should be able to see these patterns reflected in your Self-Karma, in some form. [AnnH] I'm having trouble seeing it in my case. I have a feeling, but I'm not quite sure how it works with Self Karma. [Geraldine] sort of bending over backwards to NOT do it? [Bobby] your accuracy is also validated from the humor we find in it/ourselves. [MEntity] Ann, yours may show up in issues that revolve around what is rightfully yours vs what you think/feel is rightfully yours. Be it positions of recognition, fulfilling relationships, material well-being, etc. [Maureen] I think Geraldine hit on something - I have had the urge and did so all my life - to be so honest it hurt me many times. [AnnH] Ok. Now it just went from funny to painful. [MEntity] Geraldine, yes, often that is the case in these larger patterns: one is either extremely repulsed by association with it, and/or extremely fascinated by it. For instance, Troy's larger pattern is TORTURE. He is actively fighting against all forms of harm against innocent animals and people, yet his favorite genre of film is Horror. Maureen, we would agree with your assessment. Keep in mind that these patterns are not generated because of some kind of morbid interest, but because the exploration adds to the eventual resolve of those experiences for others, as well. [AnnH] I can see this with my creative work, in terms of Self-Karma. [Private] Could you elucidate more about my pattern of poisoning? This life it certainly showed up emotionally by my mother's treatment of me, did it not? And subsequently, the Self-karmic issues with my Realist Attitude. [Brian_W] so how does one work through it, knowing that we get extremely repulsed and / or fascinated by it? [Brian_W] as for me, as soon as I saw it come across my screen, its like the laughter and everything else died inside - rather suddenly too I might add. [MEntity] For instance, the pattern of RAPE is explored by Brian as a contribution to the learning in this universe about the range between literal Rape, all the way to the gentle comprehension and consideration of boundaries that may exist, even if one does not think they should. [Geraldine] but, I think, truly, that your Life Task of intimacy is tied to this pattern -- it's how you perceive being able to be "other." [Bobby] As for me, I'm like, if it balances it out, bring it on baby, bring it on! [Maureen] You Warriors and your challenges! [AnnH] Man, I can feel the domino effect of this all the way through this life. [Bobby] Now, I want to schedule another private with a list of names :-) [MEntity] In response to Brian: to the extent that one is still personally offended by the term we chose may be the extent to which one is in the middle of resolving issues related to that term. The extent to which one could laugh is also an indication as to how far one may have come in resolving, though still recognizing, the experiences related to the term. [Geraldine] I can feel the attraction/repulsion -- being able to perceive others' mindfucks -- absolutely no desire to do one of my own -- other than "maybe" as pranksterisms [Brian_W] Oh I absolutely understood why I was offended by it, it's still the easiest way to make me want to hit the "abort" button and run. [Maureen] Lying and Deception are still a Hot Button for me (well maybe used to be - could be old emotions!) [Geraldine] also, Brian, in our culture, it's considered far more heinous in many ways -- you're conditioned to be more reactive. [MEntity] (BRIAN) To resolve the issues related to the term we chose would mean simply continuing to do what you are doing. There are no shortcuts. In your case, in this current lifetime, it appears to us that the key would be in losing any sense of offense when boundaries are clarified for you. If boundaries are not easy for you to discern on your own, then it is important to receive feedback from others when that is offered, and that has to be seen as a resource of information, not as a source of offense. In response to Private: your interpretation of the term Poisoning appears to be fair, and your resolution would come from the fact that you are aware of the "poisoning." The key to the Poisoning as a pattern of Karma is that it was often injected without the awareness of the one who was poisoned (literally or figuratively). In your case, you are aware of the poisoning and have the opportunity to generate, find, or create an antidote. [Private] As you know, I'm working on it really hard. [AnnH] Somehow I feel like "pillaging" is what happened in some way to my work as a writer. It feels like anything I do is going to be taken and decimated. [MEntity] Private, that is all that one can do, actually. To continue to work through it. [Bobby] and in my case? :-) [MEntity] There are no shortcuts. [Bobby] how does one balance false-imprisonment except to be falsely imprisoned? [MEntity] To Bobby: your pattern may show up in issues around feeling trapped, isolated, or stuck in a position that is beyond your capacity to free yourself. Your resolution would come through the realization of CHOICE, and the responsibilities that the word implies. [Bobby] I completely understand that, thanks! [MEntity] The range that we include under "False Imprisonment" is between the obvious, literal wrongful imprisonment, to the act of blaming others for effects that were not of their cause. [Geraldine] After Martha's followup -- I'd like to know the difference between Mindfuck and lying -- or is it more of a power and control use? [MEntity] We will quickly leave each of you with our assessment of where you are in terms of your resolving your outstanding Karma in both Self- and Soul- levels. [Bobby] I sometimes feels I am enduring an at home imprisonment due to my lack of options... it makes sense. [MEntity] Our assessment will be in terms of percentages as we calculate how much Karma is outstanding versus how much is resolved. This assessment will be limited to the current life in terms of what it has intended (at this point) to take on. Before that, we will respond to the two remaining questions: In response to Martha: We use the term ABDUCTION to include the range between obvious stealing of another human being against his or her will, all the way to seduction and infidelity. This may show up in the current life as issues related to the latter, in terms of how much power Martha may feel she has in context of winning others over, even in specific cases related to seduction and being seductive, attractive, alluring, etc. In response to Geraldine: Mind Fuck is rooted Spiritually, whereas Lying is Intellectual. Mind Fuck is about convincing another to completely betray himself, whereas Lying is about betraying another. PERSONAL ASSESSMENTS: keep in mind that these are not competitive numbers, but relative numbers, and the higher the number is no indication of "better" or "worse." Keep in mind that one may have resolved 99% of his Self-Karma, yet still be consumed by that 1%. ANN has burned 79% of any Major or Minor Karma for this lifetime, and has resolved approximately 82% of her Self-Karma. BOBBY has burned 98% of his Major and Minor Karma for this lifetime, and has resolved approximately 65% of his Self-Karma. Brian has burned 60% of his Major and Minor Karma for this lifetime and has resolved approximately 80% of his Self-Karma. Private has resolved 77% of her Major and Minor Karma for this lifetime and has resolved 40% of her Self-Karma. Geraldine has resolved 100% of her Major and Minor Karma for this lifetime, and has resolved approximately 79% of her Self-Karma. Martha has resolved 89% of her Major and Minor Karma for this lifetime, and has resolved 90% of her Self-Karma. Maureen has resolved 99% of her Major and Minor Karma for this lifetime, and has resolved 85% of her Self-Karma. Again, keep in mind these numbers and our math are relative in calculation. [AnnH] Relative to...? [Geraldine] It just goes to show: a) have a misspent youth; and 2) live long enough -- and it all works out. [AnnH] Guess I got some livin' to do :) [MEntity] For instance, Geraldine remains with only two self-Karmic issues, but they account for only about 6 that were addressed in this life. [Geraldine] okok -- what are they? [MEntity] "Being Right" and "Being Needed." [Geraldine] lol [AnnH] hehehehe [Geraldine] ok -- I wouldn't have looked there, but those ARE a "bingo!" [Brian_W] eh, self-karma - you won't have to worry about them after this life anyway. [Maureen] What is my 1% of Soul-Karma left? [MEntity] We must conclude here, but your questions do not have to conclude here. We (and Troy) invite you to post your final questions that you would like to have addressed in the final transcript. Do so now, and start that line with QUESTION in all caps before the question. We will conclude with a response to Maureen: The 1% we see as remaining might be described as the issues related to "BEING USEFUL" or "Being Helpful." We will conclude here. Good day to each of you. Goodbye. [Private] QUESTION: Would you break down my Self-Karmic issues? Additionally, any help would be appreciated on major/minor Karma have not completed this lifetime. [AnnH] QUESTION: Could you tell me about "pillaging" in the context of "what's rightfully mine vs. what I think/feel is rightfully mine"? [Brian_W] QUESTION: What is the rest of my major / minor karma and Self-Karma in this life, and is it correct that my particular life task, true studies, and karmic history (in this life and others) are all tied together? [Bobby] Martha Question: What soul karma do I have left? [Maureen] QUESTION: Would you break down my Self Karmic Issues, please? [AnnH] QUESTION: Would you break down my self-karmic issues, too? [Bobby] Question: with 98% major and minor complete, what do I have left? At Old Soul 1, it doesn't seem like there is a lot left to do there. [Geraldine] Manoman . . .I'm convinced that Troy's first book should be on the topic of karma -- it's the most complex issue that I've seen [Geraldine] Bobby -- that was phrased "for this life" [Geraldine] not for ALL lives [Bobby] oh! [AnnH] QUESTION: How often have I chosen not to deal with burning Soul Karma ribbons in this lifetime? Eg., abrogated the opportunity? [Bobby] 1st part still applies though [Brian_W] Not a question, but any thoughts or commentary on how we may consider working through those karmas would be useful as well [Geraldine] you don't get to "volunteer" for karma, per se -- the essences sorta lay it out for you and you get lured in [Brian_W] Geraldine, it's also a topic that would sell well [Private] QUESTION: Is the unresolved major/minor karma have to do with those people in Santa Barbara at the time I met my essence twin, Sabrina? Namely, Jerg Jergensen and his friend? Also, Prasanna's household with Beni and Mary? [Geraldine] especially since so many are taught first in their learning curve that karma is "punishment" [Geraldine] I've also seen some good stuff that karma is still a "you create your own reality" construct, too [AnnH] Do these percentages relate to what Soul-Karma we thought we'd take on this lifetime? [Brian_W] true, I'm still curious what the Philanthropic Karma has been that I've generated over the centuries. [Geraldine] yes, Ann -- Michael prefaced it that way. [AnnH] That's an interesting one, Brian. [Brian_W] might be a good way to counter-balance the thoughts of "bad horrible mean karma." [Geraldine] Our assessment will be in terms of percentages as we calculate how much Karma is outstanding versus how much is resolved. This assessment will be limited to the current life in terms of what it has intended (at this point) to take on. (Note from Kasia: I've included comments from the original post with additional channelled information.) Comment from Troy on August 28, 2015: MIKE S WROTE: I can't quite reconcile these two statements. 1: 'Much of what happens after birth is out of the hands of Essence, so to speak, and a matter of choice, decisions, or lack thereof relative to the Personality.' 2: 'One is NEVER affected by Past Lives, and one is NEVER obligated to burn Ribbons generated by a previous Personality.' TROY REPLIES: Actually, these statements dovetail completely. Try this: 1) after you are born, choice is handed over to Personality. 2) Personality can choose to pick up the ribbons of previous Personality choices/karma, but that's optional, even if compelling. The key here is that Karma and themes/threads are compelling. It is all very enticing. So even though "you" are never obligated to pick up the thread of themes or the ribbons of Karma started by another Personality, those themes and ribbons and the payoff of completing or balancing these is oh so enticing. In very simplistic terms, imagine that one Personality-A walks into a room and bumps a picture hanging on the wall so that it now hangs crooked. Personality-A leaves the room. Now Personality-B walks in and that picture on the wall is crooked, and sure, you can ignore it, but ohhhh mannn, it's so crooked! So you reach out and balance it. Okay, so that's not as complicated as messy Karma, but you get the idea. As for how infant and toddler lifetimes work with Karma, Michael has said this: How do we handle Karma that is created as children? What happens when children are harmed or killed? MICHAEL: Karma is always optional for a Personality, regardless of age. If intensity and interference of choice is registered, Karma is generated. It will not matter if the Personality is fully present, or not. Essence tracks Karma. Personalities do not. Personalities help to generate Karma, forgive Karma, balance Karma, but they do not track Karma. If a child is murdered, the Personality may not have been awake enough to register the event as Karma, but Essence is fully aware, and this interference and intensity is immediately assessed. If a child is abused, tortured, or harmed in a way that interferes with Choice, Essence manages this. This is true of adults, as well, who are not with full cognitive capacity, or mentally unstable. The Personalities are a great part of the dynamic, but Essence has the clearest picture and does the tracking. This is true between Essences, as well. It is a given that any imbalance, intensity, and interference of choice generated in a life is part of what Essences must negotiate and consider across lifetimes. Karma is between Essences, not Personalities, and this is why any lifetime can bring the balance. While it is true that Karma is between Essences, the Personalities that generate Karma are directly involved in the balancing, either through a direct and intimate link to the current Personality doing the balancing, or through Astral replication of that balance. In other words, no Personality can walk away from its Karma. The intensity must be experienced from "both sides" for the Personality to burn that Ribbon. In lifetimes through the Young Soul Age, this balance most often comes in terms of "eye for an eye," but as the Essences mature, the interference of choice is not balanced by a reverse scenario of interference of choice, but is balanced through the return of choice. If one was murdered, then the balance is not found by murdering. Instead, the older souls will set up a scenario where the life is saved, and choices are expanded because of that saving of life. An abuse of a child in a previous life might be balanced by an adoption that provides profound nurturing. And so on. I hope this helps. [Note: It does not appear that participant questions at the end of the session were ever publicly answered.]