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OMW - Sep 4, 2010 - Your Turning Points Troy Tolley, Channel (Note: Two things stand out about this transcript: 1) it triggered huge responses from the participants; so, the questions aren't as well organized or integrated as some other transcripts -- I left it "as is" in order to keep the emotional tone; 2) this topic really integrates well with the more recent "Doing versus Being" workshop held in January, 2011. glb) MEntity: Hello to each of you. We are here. We have been asked today to speak about what Troy describes as a "Turning Point" that each fragment may, or may not, have within a lifetime. We will first define "Turning Point" as "the unequivocal, historical comprehension that a correction of course on a Physical, Emotional, Intellectual, and/or Spiritual Path is necessary and possible as a result of a particular, pivotal experience or choice." We will further define "correction of course" as meaning "a direction of active preference of path that includes improved health for one or more of the bodies, as opposed to a passive presumption of a path that is not nurturing for one or more of the bodies." A "Turning Point" usually shows up within a life when the original intention for the life is being cut short by the death of one or more of the bodies. And by "bodies," we do mean the Physical, Emotional, Intellectual, or Spiritual Bodies, or more accurately, "layers" of the Body. When one of these bodies nears death, and the original intention did not include that death or exit point, then a Turning Point is generated so as to give the entirety of the Body (all layers/bodies) a chance to recover and correct the course of the life. Usually that correction of course is drastic because it is in contrast to the momentum that was leading to death. Each "layer" or Body can experience death, even as the other layers continue beyond that death of one body. For instance, a fragment can experience the death of his or her Emotional Body while continuing Physically, Intellectually, Spiritually. Even when the Physical Body dies, one can continue to "live" through the Emotional, Intellectual, and Spiritual bodies, and this is most-often reported as a "haunting," of course. Regardless of their lack of tangibility, these bodies are ALL of the Physical Plane in terms of material as a medium for Essence. These materials are not yet understood entirely, but may best be understood by you as various densities, or frequencies, that make up the entirety of The Body. Your Body is made up of these densities, or frequencies, from densest to finest: Physical, Emotional, Intellectual, Spiritual, and these are "encased," so to speak, in the matrix that might be called the Etheric Body, which acts as a generator, bridge, and template. Each of these are subject to the scathing that is inherent of the Physical Plane, and thus can be harmed, injured, or die. However, as long as the Etheric Body/casing is intact, not only is the presence in the Physical Plane still intact, but so is the Personality, as the Personality is biological, or more accurately, it is a part of the Bodies. As we said before: a "turning point" is a potential result that comes from the near-death, or death, of one or more of the Bodies. [Geraldine] Please describe what the physical body looks like if any of the other three bodies die. MEntity: Therefore how to prevent a Turning Point becomes increasingly interesting to Essence as it grows older, since keeping all of the Bodies healthy also becomes increasingly interesting to the soul. One of the ways to prevent a Turning Point, ironically, is to CREATE a Turning Point. More accurately said, it is how to create one Consciously, as most Turning Points are created unconsciously. [Deb22] Is this not what I did — created a turning point — by taking that recent, extended trip to SE Asia. To the unknown, to being alive because my bodies — the emotional, intellectual and spiritual were nearing death? MEntity: Deb, we would agree. The difference between creating a Turning Point consciously vs unconsciously is profound in terms of catalysts, but equally as profound in terms of impact. It could be said, then, that the Positive Pole of a Turning Point is Transmutation and the Negative Pole is Desperation. One end is fueled by Choice whereas the other end is fueled by Survival. One end is created from conscious recognition whereas the other end is created from unconscious realization. For instance, they are the difference between stating, "something has GOT to change" vs "Oh my god, I almost died." [Deb22] What is hard is the next step. I have the momentum but it is of a different texture — stillness versus movement. It is exciting but scary. Any suggestions.? My turning point felt conscious — was it? MEntity: If you are interested in this workshop with us, you have probably stated at some point: "something has got to change." Or you have experienced a Turning Point already, and just want to understand that process. We will make time for personal questions in a more organized exchange coming up. As we mentioned before: a Turning Point comes from the near-death, or death, of one or more of the Bodies. When there is a death of the body, or layer, as long as there is a denser body alive, then the finer body can be "brought back to life." In other words, as long as the Physical Body is intact, then any "death" of any other body can be revived, revitalized. We will define "death" here as "having no active, functioning presence." There are, literally, those whose Emotional Bodies are dead in that regard. As are there some whose Intellectual or Spiritual Bodies are dead. It is not inaccurate then to say that a Turning Point is a Resurrection. Within context, there is validity to the concept of being "born again." Each Soul Age tends toward certain bodies having more trouble surviving the life than other bodies. [Karine] When resurrected, does the body that died come back exactly the same as it was, or is it different than it used to be? MEntity: Karine, it is transmutated. It is always in a higher form if it is resurrected; if the Turning Point is utilized. The Infant Souls tend to have trouble keeping any of the Bodies alive. Baby Souls have the hardest time keeping the Spiritual Body alive. Young Souls have the hardest time keeping the Intellectual Bodies alive. Mature Souls have the hardest time keeping the Emotional Bodies alive. And Old Souls have the hardest time keeping the Physical Bodies alive. Keep in mind that "alive" and "death" here are not entirely literal. For instance, the Older Soul has a hard time keeping the Physical Body "alive" in the sense that we already defined: "having no active, functioning presence." Older Souls are most-prone to hiding away their Physical Bodies from the world, in other words. They have evolved to such a state of spirituality, of spiritual strength, that the emphasis of life tends to move away from Physical presence, and it takes a lot more effort to be alive as a Physical Being. Being "alive", as in, "having active, functioning presence." This helps explain a great deal about much of the turmoil and terror that can often plague the Old Soul. It also helps explain the distractions and overcompensations of the younger Soul Ages. For instance, as the Baby Soul has the hardest time keeping the Spiritual Bodies alive, they tend to have the most resurrections of the Spiritual Body, or an emphasis on being "born again" on that level. The Older Soul often requires this same kind of profound turning point, but on a Physical Level. Therefore, many Older Souls will have their Turning Point generated when in the face of Physical Death. Though it would be difficult to validate, we can say that Older Souls tend to have the "close calls" with physical death more often, proportionally, than other soul ages for that reason. Ironically, they are also more likely to create a Turning Point unconsciously than the other Soul Ages, with Baby Souls being most-prone to creating Turning Points from a conscious intention than other Soul Ages. Before we move further into this topic, and into more personal territory, we now invite you to ask questions about the topic in general, or to comment on your sense of validity about what we have shared so far. [Maureen] Based on this discussion: How does "Energetic Healing" take place/work and what can be done to strengthen it's effect on all the "Bodies/Layers?" [Geraldine] What can cause the "death" of one of the intangible bodies? [Martha] Can you tell if another person has a "dead" body? [Maureen] Lights are on and no ones' home! MEntity: In response to Maureen: Most "Energetic Healing" is fairly useless without the implementation of a counterpart that might be called an "anchor" for a circuit to be fulfilled for that level of healing. [Karine] are the bodies related to the Centers? MEntity: For instance, Physical Healing, which is the most obvious form of healing, has a medium that is tangible in such forms as medicine, bandaging, and active monitoring of the wound. [Deb22] Can you please amplify the response to Maureen's question? What would be a counterpart, an anchor? MEntity: "Energetic" Healing most-often refers to more intangible techniques for providing an exchange of energy for the intent of healing various levels of the Body. However, regardless of the finer body, or the lack of tangibility for the healing, there still needs to be an "anchor," or a counterpart that helps to generate a circuit between healer and healed. [Maureen] What do you mean by anchor - counterpart? MEntity: For instance, the "laying on of hands" or the use of touch, in general, is powerful as an anchor, or counterpart, to many "energetic" healing techniques. [Maureen] From your perspective, what actually takes place with an energetic healing? [Deb22] What about a geometric grid with the elements, the bodies, the directions-- creating a mandala implementing those forms? MEntity: Other examples might be: good conversation as a counterpart to Intellectual Healing; affection as a counterpart to Emotional Healing; the use of symbols, either imaginary or tactile, are quite powerful. For example: if one were to use "at-a-distance" healing as a means to help someone, it would help for that recipient to have a symbol for help in completing that circuit. This could be assigned by the healer for the recipient to visualize or duplicate, or chosen by the recipient for the healer to focus upon. A person carrying a stone that is the anchor for healing energy from a healer is much more likely to receive and benefit from healing than someone who was simply told that the healer would "send" some healing energy. [Martha] whats an anchor for Spiritual healing? [Maureen] With "Hands on Healing" - what can be done to strengthen its effect so it lasts longer? Or has a permanent effect? MEntity: In response to GERALDINE: the death of the Emotional Body can come from emotional overwhelm, self-loathing, abandonment, emotional abuse, etc.; the death of the Intellectual Body can come from Intellectual overwhelm, extreme loss, unprocessed grief, excessive disappointment, philosophical abuse or mindfucking, etc.; the death of the Spiritual Body can come from overwhelming demands of life, lack of capacity to comprehend beyond your own needs and wants, extreme displacement of identity for the sake of compromise and order, etc. [Geraldine] a-ha -- all of those negative poles pile up [Maureen] The North Koreans must suffer from all these the death of the Physical Body, besides the obvious literal death, would come from extreme rejection of physical life, repulsion for the functions of the physical body, terror in realizing the fragility of the body, profound desperation to feel safe, profound misunderstanding that the vastness of the universe equates an insignificance of the self, etc. MEntity: In response to MARTHA: it is often difficult to determine if one of the bodies is dead, but if one is sensitive enough, one can often feel that sense of "emptiness" in a person on the relevant level of Body. [Deb22] What is the interrelationship between the 9 needs and the death of the bodies? MEntity: Some symptoms of each body's death might be: Spiritual Death - addiction, capacity to murder, willingness to enslave or oppress; Intellectual Death - lack of ethics, profound disregard for boundaries, profound lack of concern for the Effects of one's Cause. Emotional Death - extreme depression, apathy, paralysis of isolation (feeling trapped/alone when not trapped/alone) Physical Death - squalor, poor hygiene, extreme wishful thinking (extreme entitlement) In response to KARINE: yes, these Bodies are related to the Centers indirectly, as the Centers are related to the Chakras. Though our channels and students often presume that the Centers are synonymous with the Chakras, we do not use the term Centers to represent Chakras. Therefore, these Bodies are directly related to the Chakras, but indirectly related to the Centers. We use the term "Center" to describe a Personality's "Center of Gravity," and while this can be seen as an extension of the Chakra, it is not about the Chakra, itself. [Maureen] What part does Auric Hygiene play in "warding off" the death of a "Body"? MEntity: So, for instance, a Personality may be Emotionally Centered, but his Emotional Body is "Dead." This would mean that the fragment still navigates life based on attraction and repulsion relative to Inspiration (emotion), but has closed down any vitality to his Emotional Body, hence having "closed down" his Heart Chakra. [Deb22] What is the interrelationship between the 9 needs and the death of the bodies? MEntity: In other words, his other bodies may still move through life in relation to what is or isn't inspiring, but his Emotional Body has cut off contact with his Essence. In response to DEB, we did elaborate on the Anchor/Counterpart, and can do so further if that was not enough. [Karine] so a body's death is basically the rejecting of essence? [Deb22] I was referring to our primary needs: Freedom, Adventure, Exchange, Expression, etc. and was asking for the correlation [Martha] that's a big question Deb [Deb22] I realize that but I think it is most relevant to our discussion MEntity: We are responding to the questions as we see them in order above. We suggest a halt on the questioning now until we have responded to each that has already been posted. [Geraldine] I don't think Needs applies to this -- we'll never get to issues about how to do up a Turning Point consciously at this rate MEntity: We explained what a "counterpart" and anchor is in relation to energetic healing, but the short answer would that a counterpart or anchor is a specific symbol or tangible object that acts as a medium for the energy that is being transmitted for healing purposes. Those symbols and objects are completely subject to the creativity and sense of personal relevance between the healer and healed, and are not specific to the different bodies. We are now to Maureen's question of "what actually takes place during energetic healing?" Whether Physical, Emotional, Intellectual, or Spiritual, any healing is a corrective frequency relative to that body. More specifically, it is a return to order from chaos, or alignment from disarray. When we say that it is a return to order from chaos, we say that in terms of relativity. What may be order, or beauty, to one person's body is chaos to another's. [Martha] Can we hold more questions until we hear about how to consciously create a TP? we're going to run out of time MEntity: For example, what an Older Soul sees in a Baby Soul's being "born again" is "ugly" compared to the beauty the Baby Soul actually experiences in that healing. [Deb22] Suggestion: Why can't we continue this topic next month? It is clear, it is massive. MEntity: Keeping this in mind can help when one acts as a healer, either professionally or as a friend. Healing is something that must be determined by the recipient, not the sender. (We can respond to the remaining questions above, and still cover the "how to" part of our discussion, if everyone has approximately 30 minutes remaining to participate.) [Maureen] OK [Martha] ok [Geraldine] ok [Karine] alright [Deb22] ok MEntity: In response to Deb regarding Mandalas: yes, this would be included in our explanation that symbols are counterparts/anchors for healing. In response to Maureen about hand-on healing and length of effect: We would have to say that it is often wise to consider healing as a matter of "treatment," rather than as a form of miracle. This means that, in most cases, healing is a process, not a product. Each recipient would require different different numbers of sessions, and different degrees of focus for the healing. This is something that would be determined based upon the needs of the individual. In response to Deb regarding the 9 Needs: to the degree that one's Needs are met is a fairly accurate degree to which the bodies are healthy. The less one satisfies his Needs, the more one will degenerate in relation to that Need, depending on how one has prioritized that need and its necessity to satisfy. Though the different Needs could correlate to the different Bodies, it is more accurate to say that for EACH Body the 9 Needs MUST BE SATISFIED to some degree for that Body to be healthy. So, for instance, the Emotional Body will have its Tier of 3 Primary Needs to satisfy, but will still need all 9 to be healthy. In response to Karine about the body's death being a rejection of Essence: No, the Physical Body's death is not always about the "rejection" of Essence, but it is always a result of Essence withdrawing or being blocked from the Body. Death or the Turning Point of any Body is motivated by either Transmutation or Desperation. Therefore, when the Physical Body dies, it can be from the positive morphing into another step of its evolution, or from desperation that might lead to something like suicide. Of course, we can elaborate upon all of our responses as necessary, but we will now speak about the "how to" part of our exchange with you. If any of you can look at any part of your life as represented by the Bodies (Physical, Emotional, Intellectual, Spiritual) and have found yourselves stating that "something has GOT to change," then you may be in need of a Turning Point. If you are in need of a Turning Point, then it will either happen as a result of Desperation as that particular level of life, or Body, is threatened or dies, or you can choose to generate that Turning Point on your own, and on your own terms. The reason most fragments rely on Desperation to generate a Turning Point is because it is "easier" in that it feels as if it is something that happens TO you, rather than FROM you. And therein lies the difference: consciously choosing/creating a Turning Point means that is must come FROM you, not TO you. One does NOT need to be near death, or dead, in that Body in order to generate a Turning Point. When one is consciously creating a Turning Point, it is not dependent on which Body is near death, but can be based upon your Overleaves and the inherent strength and weaknesses of your own design. When a Turning Point is generated, either consciously or unconsciously, it is a profound redirection of DOING, BEING, HAVING, or KNOWING. These correlate to the Axes of the Overleaves. DOING=Action BEING=Inspiration HAVING=Expression KNOWING=Assimilation If one might choose to consciously create a Turning Point, then one might look at his or her Overleaves and see which Axis is lacking the most emphasis. This would be your first clue or step in generating your Turning Point. For instance, if one is not a King or Warrior, and does not have Submission/Dominance, Perseverance, Aggression, Cynic, Realist, Moving Centering, or a Mars/Venus Body Type, then it might mean that you would most benefit from DOING SOMETHING PROFOUNDLY DIFFERENT. If you are lacking in the Inspiration Overleaves, it might mean that you would benefit most from starting to BE SOMETHING PROFOUNDLY DIFFERENT. Lack of Expression Overleaves might mean it would benefit you to HAVE SOMETHING PROFOUNDLY DIFFERENT. Lack of Assimilation might mean KNOWING SOMETHING PROFOUNDLY DIFFERENT. DOING something different is probably the most obvious in terms of what one can do to generate a Turning Point. BEING something different would mean profoundly changing the dynamics of your behavior to reflect what it is that inspires you. BE THAT. HAVING something different would mean profoundly changing what it is that you take/receive from the world around you. KNOWING something different would mean profoundly changing how you interpret your experiences. Of course, no Turning Point can be completed without ALL of those being addressed: Doing, Being, Having, and Knowing. But your Overleaves can help you to see where you might need to start, first. The fact may be that your true Turning Point would come when you reach the KNOWING part of the equation, even if you start with the DOING part. So keep this in mind when you begin your steps. Based on what we have just shared, do each of you understand your Overleaves enough to see what might be your own first step in a Turning Point, if you chose to consciously create one? [LisaC] yes; mine would be Doing [Martha] I think so (Seeing as how I have almost NO action emphasis) [Karine] mine would be doing, too MEntity: And the rest of you? [Geraldine] I think everything hinges on "how I interpret" things [Maureen] I have a mix [Karine] Should one also take a look at what overleaves they are sliding to? (if some of them are on the neutral axis) MEntity: Karine, no, the primary Overleaf should be the primary means for determining this, but we can say that the "sliding" can help to show what area might be a next step in the process. [Karine] ok [Deb22] I did what I always do, DO, but now that I have done; I am BEING. Where am I in my bodies' resurrections? [Geraldine] I'm a little curious how one would DO before one KNOWS? [Martha] I know I need to do something different, but I don't know what it is [Maureen] I walked on "Fire" before I knew MEntity: As we said, all parts of the process will have to be addressed for a complete Turning Point, but a first step is always necessary. In the case where DOING may be addressed before KNOWING, it would mean that it is obvious that certain actions are generating certain results, which would either mean DOING something else more specific to the desired results, or the halting of the Doing that is causing the undesirable results. The reason this might work better for those lacking Action Overleaves is because those Personalities rarely "Know" something (as in, being able to interpret things differently) until they DO something that breaks a pattern. It is not necessary for one to "know" what to do differently, but to DO something profoundly different is the key. This may be as obvious as doing the opposite of what you would normally do, or just doing something "different" for a change, as in taking a random trip, or breaking out in dance in the moment. Keep in mind that for each of these, they are a spectrum: Doing/Not Doing; Being/Not Being; etc. Sometimes the profundity is in the NOT. One way to keep yourself "on your toes" regarding your starting point of Transformation is to mark your more familiar moment with "Maybe I'm Wrong." For instance, "I have to do it this way because my situation demands that I do it this way." "But maybe I'm wrong about that." "I know it means this because it's obvious that it means this." "But maybe I'm wrong about that." "I want this and need this because I've earned it and deserve it!" "But maybe I'm wrong about that." "I am a big loser." "But maybe I'm wrong about that." If you find that you are frustrated with your direction on any level, it will truly help you to consider that you may be wrong. Suggesting this to yourself can help you to spark your creativity in finding other solutions and directions. Keep in mind that a consciously-created Turning Point is a slower process and one that requires your active participation. Putting a coin of effort into the slot of Doing will not immediately generate a jackpot of success from Being, Having, and Knowing. Your sequence of steps is just a suggestion, and we have already pointed out where to start, but where you will end is often suggested by the Axis where your Overleaves are most concentrated. [Martha] I have been very frustrated lately, wanting to DO something but not knowing what — this should help MEntity: A final thought for you consider is that the force that will keep each step flowing into the next, and generating results that will lead to Transmutation, is FOLLOW-THROUGH. [Geraldine] damn -- but what if I have a CF of procrastination? [Martha] (you're gonna knock Troy out of trance) [Geraldine] (just trying to make Michael laugh) MEntity: There is no Chief Feature of Procrastination, but the humor is not lost on us: we would suggest in response to this that if one is plagued by Procrastination, then one actively create a structure or relationship of Accountability. Accountability is the only solution for Procrastination. With all of this background information, and insight into your Overleaves as a tool for change, we think each of you can set in motion your own Turning Point, if you choose to do so. [Karine] how long does it take to create a successful Turning Point? a few months/years? does it depend on the situation? [Deb22] My bodies — the emotional, the spiritual, the intellectual are experiencing profound changes since my trip to SE Asia. I have the momentum but it is of a different texture. Exciting, but scary. Stillness versus movement. Any suggestions that can help? MEntity: We will respond to these final two questions, but must conclude after that. Karine, the length of time it takes is always relative to the effort, and the magnitude of redirection that is sought. If one wants to take better care of her body so that it moves into a natural state of health, then that can take effect almost immediately; but if one would like to redirect from a career of law enforcement to a career in ballet, it might take more time and commitment. Deb, our best response to your question is to suggest that you now LISTEN TO YOURSELF. That is key in your sustaining your momentum. Listen. And, of course, Follow Through. We must conclude here. If further, more intimate discussion is required, we suggest arranging a follow up discussion/chat within the month that may help. Good day to each of you. Goodbye.
This question was originally posted by Lisa on 6/4/08. I was wondering where the soul resides: does its energy infuse the body totally? Does it have a little corner of the brain that it "lives" in? Or is it completely remote from the body? Just wondering how it interacts, i guess, with the body. FROM MICHAEL: The soul/Essence is a kind of magnetic energy structure that is formless, but can take form, and does generate a form that could be described as the "etheric body," which acts a kind of matrix system that then generates the body you recognize as Physical. In other words, it is not that the body has a soul, but that the soul has a body. The physical body and personality exists within the structure of what is Essence and while Essence houses the body, the body and personality are independent within that structure, much like a scuba diver might swim freely within an ocean. The Essence is the lifeline for the body, much like an air tank might be what allows the diver to swim freely, but the body and personality can choose to acknowledge this and tend to it, or it can ignore it. In the case of human sentience, this "lifeline" or air tank, the soul, resides in the brain, but is not limited to the brain, and actively extends beyond it as it dynamically interacts, magnetizes, and repels other magnetic structures, or Essences.
OMW - Nov 17, 2012 - Your Aura (Part One) Channel: Troy Tolley MEntity: Hello to each of you. We are here, and we will begin our discussion about the concept of Auras. There are many teachings that focus more directly upon this concept, and many of them are fairly detailed and valid as to how we experience this subject, so what we offer today is a perspective that can be put alongside any of your favorite teachings on this subject for comparison and validation. First, we will define the Aura as an umbrella term to catch all aspects of the Body that go beyond that which can be seen. In more technical terms, these are layers of the body that help to generate and sustain "down" through spectrum the more tangible Body/s that you know so well. In even more accurate terms, these could be said to be your version of every Plane that exists. In other words, your Physical Body is YOUR VERSION of the Physical Plane. The Physical Body that you know is your Essence's idea given form, but its condition, state of health, growth and maintenance are your own actions, ideas, and feelings given form. The Physical Body at any given point is the end result of all actions, ideas, and feelings. Therefore, it is not the body that emits an aura, but your aura that emits a body. What most people see is the densest part of the Aura, but your tangible, Physical body, technically, is still just a part of the Aura. That is because "you" are a projection of Essence into matter. In truth, "you" are not separate from this, and never would be, even in the Personalities who are most-rejecting of Essence. That person, Personality, and Body would not be able to exist if not for its being an extension of Essence. It is helpful to explore the duality of Personality and Essence for the sake of embracing and Manifesting Essence, if one so chooses to do so, but it will always be true that they are, technically, one and the same. YOU are ESSENCE, even if not Manifesting Essence. All forms in the Physical Plane are an emission from another plane. There is nothing of the Physical Plane that is not originated in the "non-physical." [GeraldineB] Question: Does a developing fetus use the mother's essence until the baby is both born AND inhabited by its own Essence? MEntity: The entirety of the Physical Plane is merely ideas and feelings given form, if you will. There are variations in how the development of a fetus comes about. In most instances, though this fetus is technically an extension of the Essence wishing to be born, it is still merely an extension of the body of the mother until the first breath, and is not fully representative of the originating Essence until after 7 years of life. There are many fetuses that are generated without any Essence ever intending to use them, and these are extensions of the mother's body. [Diane_HB] Are those fetuses then miscarried? [Maureen] or stillborn? MEntity: In most instances, yes, or aborted in other ways. When a fetus is taken through birth without an Essence wishing to have used it, it can be sustained by the mother's Essence only for the first 7 years, but this is usually not sustained for more than 3. [Diane_HB] Wow [GeraldineB] Is this the cause of Personalities being stuck in 2nd IM? MEntity: No body is born without representing an extension of an Essence, but it can be born without a commitment to living. Geraldine, in what way do you mean your question. Please elaborate. [GeraldineB] I should have said: When a baby does finally get an Essence later in life, i.e., up to 7 years -- is this the primary cause of being stuck in 2nd IMs -- i.e., very tied to the mother MEntity: No. Not necessarily. When an Essence "walks in," it will live as any other Essence, even with that delay in living through that body. The Instinctive Center for that Body would be extracted to the Essence who had been sustaining that body, and a new one "inserted." The first 7 years are quite easy to "erase" in terms of "baggage," whereas a Walk-In who enters later in the life would have more of the life experiences stored in the cells of that body, and spend up to 7 years sifting through those. We digress. [Maureen] Michael -- can we assume that an actual "walk-in" will also have a different aura? If so -- that would take some adjusting for the "grown-up" body. [Maureen] Michael -- if you want to continue -- please save that question for the end. [MEntity] That would be correct, Maureen, but in all Walk-Ins, there is a shared transitional period between the two Essences who negotiated the exchange. Or the body would die. [Maureen] Thank you MEntity: To continue: As the aura emits a body, the health of that most tangible body is directly connected to what is being fed into the emission, if you will. In the most obvious sense, how you treat your body, how you feed it, what you feed it, how you comfort it, etc., feeds into the health and shape of the body, but this is also true of what you feed it in terms of ideas and emotions. The more intangible the source, the more long-term the impact. In other words, what you DO with your body makes a difference in how your body looks, feels, and lives, and however long of a time you may think that may take, your thoughts and feelings take "even longer" to move into form, and to move out of form. This is why treatments of illness can often require processes that address the intellect and emotion far longer than the physical treatments. For most fragments, the gestation period of the body that is being used for Sentience tends to be the time frame of cycles for coming into physicality. In other words, emotions and thoughts that are sustained for more than 9 months find their way into "birth" into the body. This can tend to mean that it takes AT LEAST that long for healing and transformation of any ideas or feelings looking to be healed or transformed. This is good to know when taking up any effort to make a difference to your body, whether in shape, health, diet, mood, habit, etc. The more tangible parts of the Aura are those that relate to what you relate to as the Action/Physical, and the Emotional/Astral, and to some great extent the Intellectual/Causal. The visibility of these layers is valid, and each has counterparts that are tangible to the Physical Plane, literally or intuitively. For those who worry about whether they can see or not see Auras, we can say to you that your greatest concern is what you "read" in the aura that IS your body that you know. You do not need to see or read the colors and shapes that show up as part of the higher auras. Learning to listen to your body, and to treat it with long-term care, is one of the greatest gifts of "aura reading" one can develop. EVERY fragment has this capacity. Between the Physical and the Astral Bodies is the Etheric Body. The Etheric Body is where the more intangible and tangible is processed and filtered. It is the last stop for filtering and processing of Emotions and Thoughts that are coming into density. It is the body that is most directly linked to the health of the body, and gives rise to everything you know of as your body. It is a kind of matrix for the body, a template that holds the body together in space and time. It could be said to be the atmosphere for your body, and it can be toxic or pure, and usually a mixture. It is a representative of your Instinctive Center. This is the body that remains in space and time, even if that part of the Physical Body is removed, such as in the "phantom limb" effect. In some parallels, and in many probable futures, this Etheric Body is measurable and practical in its use for regrowing lost limbs and organs, or for promoting the growth of them if missing. Most of you can see this Etheric Body, and can do so by holding your hand out over a blank wall in a dimly-lit room. Allowing your eyes to fall into a kind of peripheral vision, or passive state, you may begin to see a blue-ish glow emit from your hand and arm. This is NOT the optical illusion that is left by the hand movements against your sight. The optical illusion is fairly gray in its visual, but the Etheric would be in some hue and brightness of blue. [GeraldineB] Since the Etheric Body is part of our Physical Body -- is it included in our DNA, even if not visible or known at this time? MEntity: DNA is in the Etheric, as DNA is also an extension of the higher layers of the aura, but not the other way around. In other words, DNA has its own Etheric body, if you will. It is a replica of whatever it is holding in time and space. [GeraldineB] and this is why limbs can eventually be regrown MEntity: Yes. [Diane_HB] When healers say they can "update" their DNA, are they really referring to the etheric DNA? MEntity: This is already a natural state for some species on your planet, and would eventually be replicated in your own species through the proper use of electrical stimulations. [Diane_HB] oooh [Maureen] Is it Salamanders that can re-grow a tail that has been clipped off? [Martha] starfish too, right? [GeraldineB] all lizards, I think MEntity: Diane, we do not know what is meant by "updating of DNA." There are many who presume to "unlock" various "advanced" elements of one's DNA, but this is a bogus notion in terms of doing so through one's mere intention. [GeraldineB] even snakes regrow their tips MEntity: Altering one's DNA through intention is about as useful as willing yourself a third arm if you did not already have one. [GeraldineB] LOL [Diane_HB] lol [Maureen] LOL MEntity: It is not that it is impossible to have a third arm, but if it is not already in place, it would take a great deal of effort and intervention to obtain this. It is true that the DNA of an individual can be altered within the lifetime, but we can discuss that subject in another exchange. [GeraldineB] Maureen -- add it to the list ? MEntity: The Astral or Emotional Body is the next-closest to the Physical Body in terms of its density. Its counterparts in the Physical show up as colors, hues, and a kind of various density of fog. This can be intuited through the imagination, or literally seen with the eyes in some individuals. The Astral Body is reflective of the Emotional state of any individual at any given time. It can change and vary on a constant basis. There are three layers to this Body in the Aura: The most-immediate layer is the CHARACTER layer. This is the layer that carries the more long-term moods and feelings that have generated from that person. This is the layer that most sense upon meeting someone for the first time. No matter how delightful or unpleasant someone may be in a social situation, this level of CHARACTER can be sensed, and it may not reflect the more immediate presentation. This layer is where all Agreements are stored, managed, activated, updated, and abdicated. The GOAL is most infused or "programmed" in the Physical Body, whereas the MODE is most infused, or "programmed" in this layer of the Emotional/Astral Body. These are not exclusive to these Bodies, but these are where they tend to function from. This is also where one's active Karma and Self-Karma are stored, managed, updated, or abdicated. This is the layer of the self that gets shared as one "gets to know" another. The Soul Age can be read from this layer. The colors here tend to be fairly steady in mix and hue, but do change as various Agreements are fulfilled and altered. And with any great shifts in perspective of Soul Age or Level. [GeraldineB] Do you read this layer when answering Profiles? MEntity: No. We read the Akashic Records. But many of our channels read from this Body of a student. [GeraldineB] Is this part of the reason for requesting a photo? MEntity: If photos are used, or requirements for in-person, it would tend to be the channel reading and interpreting. This layer is also where one stores and processes most dreams. The next layer "up" in this Astral Body would be the MOOD layer of the fragment. This is far more changeable and colorful, and is less-dense, more immediate in reflection of the emotional processes of the fragment. This is the layer that is often "presented" to others, and more directly in control from the Personality. When your mood changes, so does this layer of the body. This layer helps pick and choose from the Character layer what to deal with, what to ignore, what to consciously process, what not to process, etc. Whatever it is "in the mood" to tend to. Consider the Character Layer to be the Moving Part of the Emotional Body, whereas the Mood Layer is the Instinctive Part of the Emotional Body. It is often driven by aims toward emotional pleasure and away from emotional pain. The highest layer [Contemplation Layer] of the Astral Body then is the Intellectual Part of the Emotional Body, and this is the layer where shift begins from something simply being a theory or idea to becoming a belief. This is where one begins to prove or disprove one's ideas about life, self, and others. In terms of how this works as a whole, once one has built a case for an idea and emotionally charges it, it then moves down into the Mood, and eventually into the Character level. If one is working with others to help alter beliefs, it would need to be on this layer, because once it is past this layer, it cannot be changed, only counteracted. A new belief would need to be brought in, and from there, the choice for which to use would make the difference. Keep this in mind for your own work on altering your repetitive behaviors that reinforce beliefs that you wish to change. Let them be. Allow them to exist. You cannot change them. But you CAN add new ones, and the focus on that is far more effective than battling your unwanted ones. In the end, the effect is the same as altering a belief, but in technical terms, one can only add new ones from which to choose. [GeraldineB] So, for my attempt to quit smoking, it should be to DO something else, rather than stop/prevent smoking? MEntity: In terms of unwanted habits, the physical counterpart can be halted, and that is the "easy" part, but the belief will not change that motivated and secured the habit, which is why new habits might form around that belief, even if more acceptable in form. [GeraldineB] thank you MEntity: In terms of beliefs, whatever motivated you to secure this unwanted habit as a reflection of that belief cannot be changed, but new ones can be added, or brought to light, that allows for greater choice of emphasis. Smoking is almost always a habit born of the belief that one is ultimately alone, on their own, and profoundly lacking intimacy. [GeraldineB] Ahhh . . .when I was choosing double Arrogance MEntity: It is a means for filling the void in the Emotional Center, in the most literal way possible. Inhaling the smoke soothes this void. Though the social contracts are changing now, this habit also helped to bring about the interaction with others that may have been craved, as it was a social habit. [Maureen] very interesting [Martha] all smoking - tobacco and marijuana? MEntity: Only habitual smoking. For those who wish to stop smoking, it can be greatly effective to interact with others when one would otherwise smoke, or to acknowledge the truth of one's importance to others. [GeraldineB] thank you -- I see how it's been playing to isolate me due to the current restrictions and reactions [Maureen] no wonder it's such a hard habit to give up! MEntity: It can be interesting to play out the physical motions that have become familiar with smoking, while lying down new beliefs through considering one's importance, or socializing in whatever way is accessible at the moment. It may then become more obvious that you simply wanted company, not a cigarette. It can become its own meditation. When one is working to build new beliefs, it can be helpful to imagine this layer of your body as a colorful and playful space full of symbols for arranging new beliefs. For instance, if no one is available to talk or socialize, let yourself fake smoke, while playing out social scenarios in your imagination, such as meeting people you think you may never meet, or hugging those you miss, or talking freely in ways that you normally would not. Etc. But we digress. If each of you would like to examine your own Emotional/Astral layers of the body, here are some ways for doing so: First: establish color associations with feelings. These are fairly set for your species now, and can be explored through many teachings on color and mood, but also through one's understanding of Chakras and the color associations there. Second: allow your imagination to interpret your loved ones, relationships, feelings, moods, and experiences as those colors. Let yourself get a sense of what color your day is, what color a relationship is, what color your project or idea is, etc. LET YOURSELF have these colors. This means, do not push for them, and do not presume there is a right or wrong color. Simply invite it. In your worst-case scenario of blocking imagination, it could be said that if you simply cannot imagine these or see them, ask yourself what they would be IF YOU COULD. Using your color associations, or chakra association, you can begin to build up a fairly good idea about what your Aura "looks like". For now, we will suggest an experiential experiment right now for you to try: Give yourself some breathing room, breathe deeply no less than three times, eyes closed, and let your imagination explore your body, looking for a fairly solid area of color or colors, and note those colors, and where around your body you are "seeing" these. It may come up as a blob to your left, or a soft hint behind you, or a rich color surrounding you, but there is no one way any of you should expect to see this. Once you have a description, you may share it here, if you wish. [Diane_HB] I have a strip of red on the outer edge of my aura at chest height, going all the way around. Also a sky blue blob right on the third chakra/stomach. [Martha] green and purple, but I'm having trouble concentrating as Morgan is here and the TV is on [Maureen] I got soft pink all around -- then it changed to soft blue and purple -- and I had green around the eyes [Maureen] actually -- I got a blue blob on my 3rd chakra as well Diane! [Maureen] LOL [Diane_HB] cool ? [Martha] the green and purple are layered all around, purple is a muted fuschia [Maureen] I thought it might be indigestion! [Maureen] ? [Diane_HB] LOL MEntity: If you choose not to submit a response, please indicate so that we may continue. [GeraldineB] I'm not seeing anything [ClaireC] I'm out MEntity: We offered up this experiment for the point of two things: one, is for you to "see" where our teaching is in the Character of your Aura, and the other is for the experience of how easily or challenged you may be in calling up this imagination on the spot. If you saw Blue in your visualization, you found our part of your Aura, and where our teaching is most used by you. For most fragments, anything associated with what has become a personal guidance system, or teaching, can be found in or around any Blue. [Martha] what's the name for the third layer? We have Character, Mood, and ? MEntity: Character, Mood, and Contemplation Layers. [Martha] Hmmm, my purple was closest to the body, with green as the second layer. I did see some blue early on but when I had to visualize a body to get specific about position I didn't see it MEntity: If you did not "see" it, it is not that it was not there, but that your awareness went to something else. [Martha] yeah, I saw a flash of it at first, a rich blue MEntity: Blue, or one's teaching, is often a part of Green and Purple because of various factors. [Maureen] The colour at my 3rd chakra is a rich deep blue. [Diane_HB] I also saw dark blue going into purple from the eye level up. [Martha] 6th and 7th chakras are traditionally indigo and purple, right? MEntity: For this experiment, after you have a clear description of colors and location, explore various correlations of these color meanings, and how the location may relate to the nearest chakra. Keep in mind that you are looking at the CHARACTER layer, so you are looking at your long-term states of emotion that make up who you are. Your visualizations may change in your assessment of this, but that is not because the body changed, but that you are exploring different angles on it. To explore your MOOD Layer, one of the most tangible ways to do so is through a synchronistic oracle system, such as Tarot, or color-coded cards, or the drawing of keywords, or some other system of randomness that gives you insight into this layer of your emotional body. We have yet to cover the Causal Body, and to go into more exploratory and applicable ways to understand the Aura, so we are arranging with Troy for a "part two" on this subject, for this particular group. It will be scheduled by consensus among you for when this would be. [Maureen] Michael -- would you answer my question about my old friend Geraldine? An old friend Geraldine Smith-Stringer (Mature 5, Server-cast Artisan) could see the Aura remarkably well. The colours she would see represented what you brought in at birth. If she saw photos from throughout your lifetime – she could tell when you had “blocked” certain natural abilities and the times when they had flourished. Because of her influence I tend to pick up “colours” the same way. What layer was she seeing/reading? MEntity: In response to the question, this could be of the Character Layer, but it also sounds like layers from the Causal Body, if these are determined as having been in place since birth. If you are having trouble with using the imagination to "see," it is not a matter of anything other than personal preference. Some do not trust the imagination, or have, long ago, written it off as dangerous territory. Beyond that, some may simply have a hard time visualizing, which means that it may be more helpful to explore the aura in more appealing symbolic forms, such as foods, smells, animals, etc. In other words, IF my aura were to be made up of foods, what comes to mind, and where is that on my body? Or what animals come to mind when I think of my heart, my head, my body as a whole, etc. (Note: It was decided by Michael that there would be a Part 2 or follow up session on the Character Layer. Troy was fading. glb) Note: This session continues in OMW: Your Aura (Part Two).
Janet posted a topic in 1999 Michael SpeaksMarch 4, 1999 Troy Tolley, Channel Dreams and Symbols 1 of 3 [Michael_Entity] Hello everyone. We are here. We'll start off with the weather forecast as usual and comment on your shared exploration of symbols on your discussion lists today. We had mentioned in our last couple of interactions that some of you were looking to ANIMALS as symbols for where you were heading in your exploration of probable futures. It is clear that many of you partaking in the discussions today on your lists will be moving further into your EXTERNAL worlds and lending your presence to actions required there. The symbolism in your debate and exchange over where animals stand in terms of rights was obviously not the level of discussion occurring for yourselves internally, with your own Essences, but rather gauging where you individually stand with how much you are willing to give OUTWARDLY this year. Your debate was symbolic. It is a difficult and enticing potential decision to be making yourselves available for outward interaction when you have mostly, for the past couple of years, (and some of you for the past four or five years), have been INWARDLY healing and improving. This period of time where your symbols showed up and where your reactions stood individually, brings up some very personal and deeply touched issues that have “just” been “healed” to a degree. What we mean by this is that any of you interacting with ANIMALS as symbols over the past few weeks, where animals were in dreams, or as in today's exchange in heated discussion, essence has suggested through these symbols that you might be “ready” to “go back out there”. Many of you have been bored with your EXTERNAL worlds giving intensity and focused lessons in your INTERPERSONAL worlds. Though interpersonal relationships are far from being completed in terms of lessons, it is a period of time currently where many Older Souls are being called outwardly to be present in the world for more impact. We will say this: As the exploration of symbols comes to a close sometime into next week, we have seen those of you who have brought ANIMALS to the forefront of your symbolism each having some sort of Teacher/Student Agreements unfolding. We would suggest you trust your inclinations to “reach out” to those who ask. Finally, March 12 through 14 appear to be pivotal days for most you gathered here. This is the overall window for your finalizing your decisions on an Essence and Personality level for: 1. How available you will be, 2. In what capacity you will be available, 3. For what length of time you will be willing to take focus off of your personal lives. QUESTIONS? [k1] There are five us joining to gather on the internet to connect. Can you give us some advice on what the first focus might be? This is a regular committed group of students. [Michael_Entity] It appears to us that you have already decided that focus, which could be called “collective intuitive exposure”. Each of you are exposing to what capacity you are capable of intuitive EXPRESSION and RECEPTION, some of you will be receiving, while others EXPRESSING. Specifically we see 2 of you as expressing data that has been collected during your individual pursuits, while 3 of you are receiving, either through the 2 expressing or through their own heightened levels of development in your gatherings. TOPIC: Dreams & Symbols Dreams have become highlighted again, and usually are, during Parallel Shifts. This is one way with which to explore all of your options as ESSENCE and including Personality. When one enters into Dream State, it is almost always entered through the Instinctive Center. The Instinctive Center acts as a mediating ground for determining what is to be experienced while the body is resting. There are THREE levels or planes of Dreaming. Symbolic/Instinctive Astral/Lower Centers Out Of Body/Higher Centers Depending on the nature of the Waking State prior to sleeping, you will enter Instinctive Center, assimilate or evaluate your experiences, and move on to either Astral or Out Of Body. We will address the Symbolic Level first: It is easily determined when in the Symbolic level because there are simply SYMBOLS everywhere. This is the level where most find quite elaborate fantastical worlds and strange interactions and props. While in this level, simple concerns of the day or registered events not consciously noted are brought to light and processed, stored. This is also where all of your Sub personalities interact and exchange their perceptions of events. All of the symbols experienced here MEAN SOMETHING, but it is only through individual analysis that one can truly determine their meaning. We will note here that if one were to never discover the meanings of their internal symbols nothing would be lost except conscious interaction between inner and outer domains; it is certainly not NECESSARY to know the meanings of symbols in your dreams. Why we share this information with our Students is simply because many of you are in a place where “inner” and “outer” are closer together, therefore knowledge gained in one area means breakthrough on many levels. To move on: While in the Instinctive Center or Symbolic Level, depending on your particular Centering or Center “worked” that day, you will then move FROM the Symbolic through, for instance, the Emotional PART of the Instinctive Center. To elaborate then, the Instinctive Level or Symbolic Level would then have 7 “doors” through which to move. The most fantastical and indecipherable dreams are from the Instinctive PART of the Instinctive Center. You have remained in pure symbolism. This is helpful for processing experiences carried over from past lives, and certain parts of early life THIS lifetime. This is also the level with which many gain lucidity and claim Astral Projection, warning of dangers and fearful domains. This is due to the pure experience of Instinctive/Symbolic exploration while in a conscious state. Now the next level, the ASTRAL level, is where most of you go next. This is simply where you make your Agreements, learn from each other, play out Karma not requiring Physical presence, etc. The Astral Level is extremely fluid and still utilizes symbols (all levels do to a certain extent) and it is easily determined you have “been there” if upon rising you literally FEEL like you have “gone somewhere”. This is truly the realm of Essence. Where the Symbolic Level is about Personality and its Sub personalities, the ASTRAL is about Essence and its Personalities. We will move quickly to the next level, realizing again the constraints of your time. In rare designs of Personality and under certain conditions, Out Of Body experiences occur. This is able to occur since upon leaving the Symbolic, the consciousness moves through one of the Higher Centers. In this instance, literally, Essence AND Personality fuse and are able to sustain the Etheric Body in such a way as to remain within the Physical Plane without the constraints of a Physical reference. A fusion of energies rather rare within this time period of your species is experienced in this event. A more recent and not uncommon bridging of acceptance toward this level of dreaming is in Near Death Experiences. This is merely the scratched surface of this topic, but we will take questions now in regard to the topic. QUESTIONS. [M6] I dreamed I was with this chat group at a party in a beautiful and old apartment building. I felt I knew everyone and was excited to arrive. I had a specific task relating to a specific person. What level was this dream, and what did it signify about our relationships and work together? [Michael_Entity] Although we have not elaborated on the more specific levels, this would be, from our perspective, the Astral, of course, and Intellectual Substrate. The significance would be an angle with which you need to explore. This dream is incomplete in its exploration. We see this as a sequential dream. [Note from Otterly [aka Troy Tolley]: I hadn't heard of this before and will be getting more on it. We will be continuing this topic at the next meeting]. [El] I just wanted to ask how one can remember the astral work? [Michael_Entity] The dream experts are correct. Upon rising, a simple noting of certain memories from dreaming, even if vague, is the most effective route toward Conscious Recall. When looking over your notes it is also an extended exercise for the conscious waking self to fill in the gaps with imagined experiences. This means, if you can't remember what ACTUALLY occurred, it is not amiss to pull up creative ideas based on what you wrote, drawing still from your unconscious/dreaming self. Be creative. [Jn] I have some rather similar dreams where I am in familiar places (in dreams, not in physical) and met with familiar people. Are these dreams contacts from entity mates? Are we meeting for our entity task? BTW, what's my entity task? [Michael_Entity] Many of these contacts, in your case, as we see it are more than your Entity Mates, they are your Essence's manifestations through time; past life selves. You are in a lifetime where gathering knowledge from a multitude of similar selves across time is a regular resource for your present self. So this is more of an element of Essence Task not necessarily an Entity Task although they are linked. The Task of your Essence (or one of your Personal Life Tasks) then would be “gathering personal definitions of strength through recollected knowledge”. [Mn] To which level would you liken Jung’s archetypes of the collective unconscious? And can you say anything about following his methods of dream interpretation, or is it better to devise your own? [Michael_Entity] Archetypes are Waking State Symbols. We have not covered this yet here. Though they DO spring from the Astral Collective ideas (or Unconscious Collective), they are still an outward manifestation. We will cover waking state symbols in our next exchange, and the levels involved. As far as Jung's method of dream interpretation, we find it heavily flawed in that it negates the individual to a great degree. There were clues here to levels of information about Collective Unconscious/Astral Collective, but to apply it to dream ANALYSIS moves one in a direction where his theories are less workable. [a1] On what level does lucid dreaming occur? [Michael_Entity] ALL levels. It can occur on any level. Lucid Dreaming is an umbrella term. To be LUCID simply means you are conscious while on the level of dreaming being experienced. There are levels in which it is more difficult to attain this state, particularly the Instinctive PART of the Instinctive Center. Although, ironically, this is the first level to gain notoriety for lucidity due to its bizarre landscapes. [fg] I've had many dreaming experiences, some of which I thought were conscious out of body experiences. From what was said here they seem on the other hand to be rare. Last night I had such a dream. Have these dreams I'm speaking of not been conscious OOB? Is it a case of just being lucid astrally speaking? [Michael_Entity] You are correct. Lucid Astral Dreaming is most often mistaken for Out Of Body. We will say that Lucid Astral Dreaming seems to the be the popular chosen route as a “springboard” for OOBEs. The experiences on the Astral, while lucid, gives the Personality some stability in its preparation for completely disengaging from Body. It does require extremely heightened consciousness to sustain the Etheric body while moving through the Physical Plane, or heavily sustained injuries “knocking” the Etheric out of the body, Personality intact. Note we did not say you have not had an OOBE, in fact you have. It is through your studies and examinations of the minute differences between the ASTRAL and your OOBE that you will then be able to maintain an “open door” out of the body, if you wish. [s5] Bridging of Acceptance and death scapes, how are these two subjects intertwined? Where does one's own creativity intrude? [Michael_Entity] If you are referring to our information about Near Death Experiences being a bridge to acceptance of “natural” OOBE, this is simply because your species has chosen to take this route of exposure for this realm. Those sharing their experiences are in a position of influence on a “grass roots” level. Though many contributing to this phenomenon are Late Baby Souls, they are nonetheless contributing to the acceptability of “something” valid in terms of consciousness beyond the body. [s5] I am just trying to understand which is which? [Michael_Entity] S, ‘which is which’? [s5] What is created vs what is real? Or once created does it become real? [Michael_Entity] The reason for your confusion comes from the fact that there is no defining boundary. That is why a valid form of dream recollection is to “make up” the parts you do not remember upon waking. We will take another question, then complete the session. [ha] Back to the OOBE line; I had an unusual experience where I felt like I was lying on top of myself, what would this indicate—OOB or lucid dreaming? Or something other? [Michael_Entity] This is the beginning of OOBE. You are becoming lucid “too quickly”, drawing yourself “back into” the body. [ha] Yes, I totally understand. I'm of two minds about whether to go or not. [Michael_Entity] We will share more of the details of these levels of dreaming for Otterly [aka Troy Tolley] to put on his web site. We can continue in our next exchange. We will close the session now. Good night. ### end of session This topic continues in Michael Speaks -- Dreams and Symbols (Part 2 of 3)