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Hello to each of you. We are here, now. Today we are asked to speak on the subject of cancer. We will begin by clarifying that our perception is not one of a practical and local doctor, and our information shared here is to be considered along with any acute perceptions within the Physical Plane that may prove helpful in navigating and understanding cancer. What we will address today is the broader phenomenon of cancer, and not the variations of named cancers. The types of cancers known are usually indicative of starting points, but all cancer is fairly similar in dynamic. Cancer is considered a disease because of its impact on the body and its seeming effect of turning against the host in a way that is lethal. However, cancer is grossly misunderstood as being only a disease, when it is, in fact, a defense. Cancer is understood as shortening the life or causing the death, and this is true to some extent, but it is the body's overcompensatory method of extending life. It may seem contradictory because of the prognosis for many cancers, but the cancer, ironically, does more to extend the life than it does to end it. Cancer is a response to extreme trauma in the body. This trauma comes in 3 primary forms: practical carcinogens, stress, and diet. Practical carcinogens are those known (and unknown) environmental elements that cause trauma in the body in a way that prompts cancerous growth. This would include such things as certain chemicals, pollutions, radiation, etc. These are causes in many cases, but more often than not they are triggers for activation of cancer that was long in the works before that trigger. This is why one smoker can develop cancer while another does not. In cases where the carcinogen is a "true cause," then the ratio of activation of cancer is fairly predictable. In other cases these carcinogens are merely triggers for activation of cancer more directly caused by the other two forms of trauma. Though it could be said that stress and diet fall under the umbrella of "carcinogen" in many ways, we differentiate these from the practical carcinogens because they are often far more insidious and accepted, though there is an argument that could say the same for pollutions and toxins in the environment. However one might navigate the world of toxic waste and pollution, it is much more difficult to note the degree of trauma one is causing from stress and diet. In other words, you can live as healthy as you can, live in the best of environments and close to nature, but if your diet and stress is not addressed, you are at risk for cancer. Along with higher exposure to practical carcinogens, the higher and more chronic the stress, and the more empty of nutrition the diet, the ratio for cancers increase in that population. Chronic stress and chronic intake of unhealthy foods traumatize the body in ways that are only very minimally understood. We know there is information that speaks to these concepts in terms of choice for health, but they are far more serious than that. They are at the core of what, eventually, kicks the body into an instinctive survival mode that resorts to cancer as its last effort to survive. By "chronic stress" we include self-condemnation , worry, anxiety, self-loathing, hatred, distrust, resentment, denial, delusion, depression, etc. By "chronic stress" we mean that these and similar states are upheld for more than half of your waking state, consciously or subconsciously. This kind of stress destroys the defenses of the bodies. We include the emotional, intellectual, and physical bodies here. We wish to make it very clear that one is not to blame for one's cancer if one has developed it. There is no relevance to blame. If a person were so upset that as he walked he tripped into traffic and was hit by a car, it would be useless to blame him or the car. It is the intersection of two completely separate trajectories that simply must now be dealt with. It is the same with cancer. The trajectory of stress meets with the trajectory of survival. The body wants to live. It is designed to survive. All auto-immune deficiencies, in fact, are efforts to survive, not to turn on the body. There is nothing that body does in any biological sense that is not for the intention to survive. Even aging is included in this, and worth considering discussing at some point as a topic. Stress as a cumulative trauma to the body destroys the defenses over time and cancer can develop as a final effort to survive without those defenses. Diet is the brother to stress, so to speak, and both go hand-in-hand in many ways. The more nutritionally-void the diet, the more likely the consequences can be cancer. The more toxic the diet, the more likely the consequences can be cancer. There is validity to the phrase "eat to live, rather than live to eat." Most modern cultures are lacking in two vital forms of education: how to eat, and how to manage resources. In fact, most are inculcated with diametrically opposed education that diminishes the life force. When the diet is doing more harm than health over time, and there is chronic stress in some form, both of which can be upheld with a great smile and a happy life, can result in cancer. All of this ties back to the Need of Expansion. The relationship of a culture to the Need of Expansion can reveal how at risk a society is for cancer. For many, Expansion is superficially fulfilled. Stimulation, distraction, hoarding, territorialism, etc. These are not the problem. They are part of the spectrum of Expansion. The problem comes in when this Need is not fulfilled to any degree beyond the 3rd Degree. For review, the degrees of expansion are: 1) Physical Tumors/Cancer, 2) Accumulation, 3) Sprawl/Territorial, 4) Conceptual Challenge, 5) Emotional Growth/Maturity, 6) Transformation/Transmutation, and 7) True Prosperity/Gratitude. Every known "cause" of cancer comes from this effort to fulfill the Need of Expansion. From the practical carcinogens of waste and toxins to self-loathing to unconscious eating habits that have no concern for consequences. Expansion is a Need that is often neglected, ignored, shamed, or overcompensated for. Models for those who fulfill Expansion have rarely been of help for education and understanding of this Need. What tends to happen then is the cumulative effects of false Expansion until there is collapse under the weight. And cancer forms. We wish to point out that we speak in broad terms today. We cannot speak to the variations on cancer and the individual or culture and their specific patterns, but we think this overview can be useful. What we speak of today is not to encourage a rise of Expansion to the top of your list for consideration as priority, but that it be included in your spectrum of Needs that you will seek to fulfill, whether you realize it or not. To help simplify the aim away from cancer and toward a true fulfillment of Expansion is to aim toward True Prosperity and Gratitude. True Prosperity is a management of resources in a way that does not dismiss them simply because you could have more or that you need more. Gratitude is the means by which one sustains fuel for enthusiasm and effort. For the older soul, Expansion is the Need to BE HERE. It is that simple. Yes, it is also the Need to grow, expand, evolve, etc, but this is most easily understood in the most intimate of terms when described as your need to BE HERE. You want to be here. You are here. You Are. This Need need not be only fulfilled by reaching false standards set by marketing, or reached through the consuming of foods simply because you can, or through the constant berating of yourself for not being more. If you choose to do so, take the next step upward in the rung of Expansion and challenge your thinking, challenge your notions, challenge your patterns of perception, challenge your habits, challenge your ideas and concepts. Reach beyond those handed down to you and build your infrastructure from active and conscious choice. There will always be risks in the Physical Plane around scathing, harm, and health, no matter what you do, but what you do does matter. This is especially true if already diagnosed with cancer. It is not just a biological reaction to help extend the life. It is an effort to overhaul the entire spectrum of bodies. There are very few who are diagnosed with cancer who are not thrown into a completely new effort to climb the rungs of Expansion toward Gratitude. For most who are diagnosed and move into remission or complete elimination of cancer, it is rarely due to treatments and remedies and far more to do with that successful overhaul. Treatments and remedies support that process, but cannot replace it. Many forms can be "cut out" or "cut down," but the risk of return is much higher if that overhaul is not completed. Sometimes there is a point of no return, but that overhaul is still vital for how the life will transition into Review. This was a particularly uncomfortable topic for our channel and we will close the discussion today without questions and answers. If there is interest, we can continue our conversation with you on this topic in further exchanges. We must conclude here for today, however. Good evening to each of you. Goodbye, for now.
Janet posted a topic in 2000 Michael SpeaksJanuary 6, 2000 Troy Tolley, Channel Conscious Connection to Essence Note: This series continues in Michael Speaks -- Conscious Connection to Essence (2 of 3). [Michael_Entity] We are here. One moment. Welcome to your New Year. We realize and understand the significance of this marking, as it is an ingredient of human sentience to measure time with great marks. It also marks the close of one of the more unusual “windows” for a Nexus (parallel shift), which has not gone unnoticed by many of you. As we move into this topic, “creating conscious connection to Essence”, we feel it best to have it an on-going discovery on your part, a journey of remembering, or a journey of re-connection. You will always “embody” or express Essence, even if only minutely. It is never a matter of “finding” Essence or seeking Essence, it is always about becoming CONSCIOUS of Essence. When you, as Personality, are lacking consciousness in direction or action, feelings, thoughts, etc., you are limiting Essence’s expression, but you can never truly limit Essence. You merely limit your personal intimacy with Essence. Essence will freely allow a Personality to run “amok” or fall into fear and pain, though these experiences are ALWAYS as a result of a Personality’s decisions. Essence inherently steers a life away from these, but Personality is invaluable to Essence and Essence can never know what “burns” unless at least ONE version of a Personality touches the “fire” so to speak. For those experiences, Essence is deeply grateful, even if it, itself, is inclined more toward what the nature of a particular universe is. In this case, your universe is EXPANDING, therefore Essence seeks expansion as well. Expansion is recognized in terms of pleasure, fulfillment, happiness, joy, and love… those things that give Personality pleasure are in synchronicity and alignment with Essence. This is so, regardless of temporary social mores, standards and judgments of the time. As we said, the journey toward enhancing your conscious connection to Essence will be paved with your own realizations, questions, and sharing. [debo] Regarding conscious connection to essence–If one is talking to essence and continuing a dialogue going during a day–is this as valid as meditating and connecting to one’s higher self? It seems too easy in a way. We will begin with the question posed by the fragment known as “debo” here. One moment. In answer to debo and her question: You have addressed a very subtle factor in many Personalities seeking conscious contact with Essence. Having and maintaining contact with Essence is always thought of in terms of something “other than” self; something more extravagant, more magickal, more ‘something’ than the Personality, itself. Therefore, it is many times assumed that contact with Essence must be marked by some kind of initiation, ritual, or euphoric sense of knowing, some complicated/complex passage. This is simply not true, though it certainly can be your decision if you require such meaning for your progress. What helps put things into perspective is that Essence not only CREATED you, as you know it, but also NEEDS you. You are its eyes, its heart, its hands, its feet, its face, and its fantastic world of physical sensation. It is blind without you. It is blind in many ways while dealing with the Physical Plane. As you are, in as many ways, without it. This means Essence listens to you with great depth of compassion, commitment, and interest. While Essence can see your larger contexts, your Agreements, your Karma, and many other factors that are not necessary for you, as Personality, to know, it innocently has no idea how important a good night’s sleep is, how important it is to you to be held, or how a bowl of cherries might make your day. You, as Personality, “feed” this information to Essence as you experience it. While some of you “speak” to Essence and continually co-create the life, many of you use your Instinctive Centered years or Instinctive Reviews (individually) for “uploading” or updating your Essence. Many of you may feel you “speak” to Essence to no avail, but we suggest that if you are feeling along these lines, you are not speaking to Essence, you are simply in need of more tangible and physical support. It is valid and important that you seek this out. Essence cannot magickally “rescue” you; it is as interested in your panic and plight. You are all capable of making changes in your life that you seek, and you are all capable of reaching out for others. When it appears Essence isn’t “listening”, try reaching out for or allowing a “spirit in the flesh” into your life. So, in answer to your question or comment, debo, it is usually quite a wonderful experience for a Personality to address its Essence on a daily basis, even if simply in words and thought. It teaches Essence about the more subtle aspects of the life. Otherwise, this is only extracted upon life review, or during Instinctive reviews. What we will be working toward in this journey, is a sense of Essence BEING you, not just being spoken to by you. We will speak more on this later as the class consciousness builds. [Barry] I’m wrestling with the phrase “creating a conscious connection to Essence”. Would you explain what you mean by “conscious”? Do you mean a waking knowledge of the essence that is us? How do we know when we have achieved this? Are there different methods of doing this best suited for each of us? [Michael_Entity] What we mean by ‘conscious’ here is basically a code word for “acceptance”. In many of your cases, Essence is distanced to a great degree, even if honored by you. Another way of describing this class topic may be “choosing to accept your Essence” and all that that implies. [Barry] You make it sound like that implies a lot…. [Michael_Entity] As you progress through this class, you have the opportunity to not only experience your Essence INTIMATELY, but to allow Essence to experience YOUR world intimately. The possibilities to blur your lines of differentiation are high. For each Role, there will be different paths, yes, and when you are maintaining a sense of Essence daily, it will be rare to find your world threatening, unsafe, unloving, or disappointing. This, then, is part of the symptoms that will allow you to “know” of your conscious connection. [Barry] We will be in a “state” of LOVE? [Michael_Entity] We cannot answer that yet as we would need to determine whether we are talking about the same thing. Most of you do not comprehend what Love is as a universal truth but usually refer to the sensations or peripheral counterparts stirred by connections and relief. We might suggest that the sensations are the first signs that you are near Love, but most have not grasped the reality and implications of what Love truly is. We will be outlining the Roles and their potential “paths” to consciousness as we build here tonight. We wanted to hear your questions tonight to help us better customize our interactions with you in regards to this topic. [MBV] I seem to have a hard time seeing through the haze of my Overleaves. Could Michael give me some examples of the artisan role in essence that would help me identify those qualities which is my essence speaking to me? Would these qualities be true for all artisans? [Michael_Entity] You have long survived as Personality “alone” and it is Good Work that you acknowledge your strengths as such. It is a confusion that Essence must be involved in all undertakings while you are Physical or it implies you are “lost”, but this is not true. The entire basis of parallel realities is to allow the Personality its varying versions and ideas about what the life “should”/”could”/”might” be like. Essence has it’s “original plan”, but it relishes in the creativity that a Personality might run with. In your case, Mary, you have “branched” and “branched”, so to speak, far from the “trunk” of your original plans, drawing in realms of extreme experiences that were not necessarily Essence’s “idea”, but are enriching your collective self entirely. You have now found yourself being drawn back into Essence after exhausting a creative path as desired by Personality. This is the motivation behind your questions and feelings. In this process, your first glances in recognizing Essence will appear to be “in a haze” as you have always as Personality been “your own strength”. You now seek Essence as a resource in addition to “you” as you know you. You will have to “get to know” Essence again. In your case, your “unruly”, giddy, untamed flows of energy are your Essence flowing and speaking. In most cases when you’ve “heard this voice” you funnel this energy “reasonably” or hold it off until “appropriate”, as this has become one of your strengths: to “behave”. As you bring more of your Essence in and your world starts to align to it, you will find the balance that will allow safety and peace, with no threat to your security built. For now and over the next three months or so it might be expected that you feel very disoriented, moody, extreme in emotion, as you relinquish some of your Personality’s precious and justified hold. We will address more of this privately and personally. We will also note here that there are, yes, certain qualities that each Role can recognize as being in Essence, but they are only references. It is always an individual discovery. In your case, you, as Personality, are discovering that you and Essence can “play” without getting into “trouble”. [debo] If we are maintaining a sense of Essence and are seeking joy and pleasure but instead feel disappointment, is this due to unrealistic expectation? How do we know what is a valid path for Essence to experience (our chosen source of) joy, and what is not valid? [Michael_Entity] If what you seek is being called “joy” and “pleasure” but ending in disappointment, then you are not perceiving the truth of that situation. Joy ends in Joy. Pleasure ends in Pleasure. There is no exception. If what you seek is based on the IDEA of joy or pleasure, you may want to reassess if the results are proving otherwise. Another valid consideration is that the situation may simply be a larger context than that which gives you joy and therefore must be examined in parts. For instance, to say you love to eat does not mean you enjoy the full, overblown sense after, or the gas, or the heartburn, etc. It may simply be a matter of altering the experience so the emphasis is on the joyful part, EATING, but with more conscious moderation so as to eliminate that which creates a less joyful or even disappointing end. You may enjoy eating, but not eating certain foods, or so much at a time. It usually only takes a moment, but certain commitment, to dissect or clarify exactly what it is that is pleasurable in the seeking, and how to adapt or alter those parts less appealing. “Unrealistic Expectation” does lead to disappointment, but this can be used to your advantage. If EXPECTATION is instead seen as enthusiasm, and DISAPPOINTMENT is seen as knowledge, then much is gained. This is an entire topic unto itself. As for the “validity” of a path for Essence: this is determined through your personal sense of happiness. In fact, that is the main question for the next three months from Essence as the Instinctive is moved through: “does this contribute to my happiness?” Happiness, at least in this universe, is a navigational tool for Personality. If you are unhappy, and you know it, this is good. This means you are honest with yourself. Being honest with you allows empowerment. Empowerment is implemented through planning. Planning is carried out through creativity and enthusiasm. Creativity and enthusiasm is sustained by seeking pleasure/happiness. Pleasure and happiness are guaranteed when being “present” in your life. Being “present” in your life means you are being honest. Though this is a crudely displayed path in words, with some examination you will see its merit. Each of these facets (6) revolve around a central concept that might be considered “living”, completing a septant for change. More on this later. [nemo999] I feel cut off from my essence; is it that I want to control it or I am not accepting/unhappy? [Michael_Entity] You are never truly cut off from Essence, but Essence can be cut off BY you as Personality, at least in terms of conscious connection. In your longing for Essence, it is doubtful you are cut off in any case; Essence responds immediately to any thought in its “direction”. In other words, it may not be Essence you seek or miss, but the “essence” of something else. Nemo, you have experienced losses that still require grieving. Grieving is acceptance of some “hard” truths for the Personality. It would not be amiss at this point in your life to “go back” to what you have lost, indulge in the grief as a process, allowing freedom for that energy, thus making space for something more. For now, it appears you are still hoping or holding out for a revision of a time since passed. You are not alone or cut off from Essence, Nemo, quite the opposite. You are a tremendously sensitive body, it appears, and your Personality and Essence will change your scenario when you are done with the feelings being explored. We remind you all that this forum is difficult to “skim” over your very important and personal lives, so we suggest taking our responses as PART of a larger response, not a complete response. We just do not, through this format and channel, have the space or time available to be effective for all of you on that level. To summarize, Nemo, determine what tangible thing it is in your life you miss. Your answers can be revealed in that. You are looking “UP” for answers when you might want to look “back”. [rion] When meditating I have at times felt a very loving presence which I interpreted to be Essence. However, people channel and are in contact with “other”. What is essence and what is “other”? How does one tell? [Michael_Entity] In all cases of channeling, meditating, etc., it is ALWAYS your Essence which makes first contact. In the same way that you cannot interact with “other” without a Personality while Physically extant, so too is it impossible to contact nonphysical “others” without Essence as the medium. In reaching out during meditation or channeling without specificity, you can rest assured it is Essence in some way. If you seek contact with nonphysical “others” specifically, Essence will act as medium. So our answer is, in creating specificity this allows you as Essence and Personality to differentiate the subtleties between self and other. This can be done only with practice, as many beginning attempts for contact with “other” are almost entirely based on filtering of many sorts. To understand this, observe your experiences when meeting a new stranger, physically, between Personalities. This will lend you insights into how you will differentiate subtleties nonphysically. For some, interaction with another person to determine “who” that person is may last a few minutes, for others a few years or more. In your case, you are adept at “reading” a person and this also spills into your explorations in the non-physical. We can also suggest you attach symbolism to what you know you want to contact. For instance, you can ask that Essence present itself as a certain colour, feeling or sound. This then would help you determine differences when touching other sources. [Sandra51] I understand that the Chakra system and Essence has a connection. Would you describe this in relation to the topic tonight? In a nutshell, ha ha. [Michael_Entity] We will touch on it briefly, but will get a more succinct transcript out for Otterly and your discussion list later. As you explore your conscious connection to Essence, you will also be heightening your sense of self as a Personality. As you explore your sense of self as a person, you will make more room for Essence in your life. It is a two way street, so to speak. In exploring yourself on either level, it is important to examine your “rights” as a physical being and your expression of those “rights” and/or the damage or interference to those “rights”. For each chakra, or Center, there is a basic “right” that the Personality must have tended to fully embody the Essence. We say “embody” as a convenience, as it is actually the opposite. YOU as Personality are embodied in Essence. You most basic “right”, relating to the Instinctive, is your right to exist, or be alive at all. The right to be real. This can also be said to be your right to “have”. Your second Center/Chakra must be examined in terms of your right to feel, experience intimacy, and create. Your third chakra/Center is examined in terms of your right to take action, or to make change. Another way to put it is your right to be free. Your fourth chakra/Center is examined in terms of your right to be loved, and to love. Your throat chakra, or 5th Center, is your right to the truth, whether speaking it, or hearing it. Your 6th chakra/Center can be examined in terms of your right to perceive, to have vision. This can also be said to be your right to dream, on all levels. And finally, your 7th Chakra/Center is your examination of your right to spirituality, or your right to ” inner knowledge”. Though we skimmed these, the slightest examination of these areas of your life can be revealing in what Centers/Chakras are not being cared for or possibly denied, thus blocking Essence. They may have also been damaged or imprinted with allowances from other fragments in the life. The three “lower centers” (3rd, 4th, and 5th) are all the most obvious and easily examined. They are the keys to balancing Personality. In fact, these centers can potentially be examined with a degree of accuracy, at least as a starting point, in your translating your personal Centering in your Overleaves. When looking at your Centering it might be said that your primary centering is the right you SUSTAIN, while the PART of the centering is the right you “FIGHT FOR”. We remind you that Emotional Centering is your right to feel, Intellectual Centering is your right to speak or hear truth, and Moving is your right to act out or make change. The Instinctive Center is always under examination and use so it is almost always in some form of distortion without conscious guidance. This is balanced through creating a daily balance among your “lower centers”. The “higher centers” (2nd, 6th, and 7th) are keys to your understanding your connection to Essence. With examination, if any of these centers appear to be limited or distorted through fear or imprinting, it will be your task to incorporate experiences which fulfill that level of your rights, if you choose. We will conclude here then. Goodnight.
[Excerpt from Michael Speaks: Soul Age Levels] MEntity: The FIFTH LEVEL has as its spectrum the polarities between EXPANSION and ADVENTURE. ... The 5th Level is about the Expansion of Truth and the Adventure of Truth. ... [royce] I guess what I am looking for is a good definition of what makes adventure more narrow than expansion. for instance, i throw myself into very unfamiliar situations like a recent gathering i went to and from that adventure i feel like a lot of truths came to surface. Adventure leads to truth leads to expansion leads to clearer insight of same truth? thanks MEntity: Polarities often refer to "narrow," but they just as often refer to "divided," or "fragmented." Often these are the same things. You are correct in stating that Adventure can lead to Expansion. It is only when one stays focused on Adventure does one reject Expansion. Expansion will always include Adventure, but Adventure does not always include Expansion. Keep in mind that we are limited in selection of words in various languages, and keep in mind that our use of terms in different contexts can give them different meaning, so the use of Expansion and Adventure here as it refers to the polarities of the 5th Level is different from the use of those terms as Needs. One reaches the Positive Pole "through" the Negative Pole. Only the Negative Pole can be exclusive. The Positive Pole is inclusive. So if you are going on Adventures as means for Expansion, then your Expansion is built from Adventures. For some, though, the emphasis on Adventure is only for stimulation, for distraction, or indulgence and addictions and fetish.
Note from Janet: This topic was originally posted by Geraldine on September 29, 2014. I have elected to post it under the same forum section that Geraldine chose. Note from Geraldine: I had my Team POF session today, and, while I didn't have anything personal that seemed pressing, I did want to continue with some of my "Timeline Project" work, too. Warfare and Warriors isn't exactly that, but it does fill in a couple of blanks as it opens up some new Questions. GeraldineB: I'd like more context for the constant warfare that I've been aware of that goes back to recorded history and that has become progressively more genocidal -- just kill the others rather than conquer. I'm grappling with the concept of Warriors and warfare. In cultures that do not have organized warfare, i.e., standing armies, what role does the "role of Warrior" play? I would like a brief overview of the expansion of warfare in human history. Expansion from inter-tribal conflicts or refugee movements due to crop failures or climate changes, etc., to outright "empire-building," such as was exhibited by Alexander "the Great." (i do realize that session is not long enough for a full elaborate discussion, but should give some groundwork for future Qs.) MEntity: First, our choice of the term "Warrior" was chosen from how we learned the term, rather than how the term has come to be fractured. Much like "Slave," the "Warrior" is often mistaken for its cultural and historic stereotype, which is a fraction of the range that is the Role. This is true of all of the Roles, of course, to some extent. Warrior, in our system, refers to those who, at their core, can rally for a cause, bring energy to a direction, encourage loyalty and compassion, invoke courage as a platform for change, etc. All of this can be used in war, but that is not the goal of the Warrior. It just happens that war requires this same kind of energy and loyalty to a cause. So in a culture where there is no war or standing armies, there are always causes, loyalties, need for protection, encouragement of courage, strength, anchoring, grounding, etc, that are needed and provided. GeraldineB: thank you for the clarification MEntity: Warriors, ironically, are often of the most passive and peaceful of Roles, but will burst forth without question or concern if there is necessity for protection, loyalty to an accepted cause, or defense of an underdog. In earlier Soul Ages, the Warrior is much easier to provoke in this regard, and therefore has come to be synonymous with fighting and warring, but it is the Priests who often exploited this in the Warriors. Most wars are are generated by the invocations of Priests. GeraldineB: ISIS . . .shit, I hadn't thought of that MEntity: In earlier Soul Ages, the Priest Roles are regarded as rather superior in access to vision and long-term causes, so the younger Soul Ages will leave the instruction up to the Priests to give. This is one of the reasons there is an inherent distrust between many Warriors and Priests as the Mature Soul Age comes around for them, and these Roles will often keep each other at a distance. Though that distance is kept in place as often as possible, the Karma generated between these Roles compels them to find one another and burn the Ribbons. Warfare has really not expanded much over the course of history. It fluctuates in its horrors, but it is still the same in terms of conflict. All of this warfare is based on the fulfillment of the Nine Needs. In most cases when there is war, there is a Need being fulfilled to some early degree. This is a learning process for Humans, and we realize the process is slow. In most cases, the more obvious of the warfare includes the lower ends of POWER, EXPANSION, and SECURITY, but war is by no means limited to these Needs. Other Needs help to exacerbate the scenarios, such as the lower ends of Expression as a means of propaganda, for example. If you look at the first 3 degrees of each of the Nine Needs, you will find the clue to all wars. Only when the Needs find a way to be fulfilled from the 4th degree or higher does war begin to fade. We think this would have to be our most succinct response in light of the current format of exchange. GeraldineB: thank you -- the "reasons" were other than I expected also, I can better visualize Warriors in some of the Grand Cycles where war didn't seem to be an issue MEntity: We can address those expectations in further exchanges. Your expectations should not be discounted. Sharing them may bring more expanded and in depth understanding. GeraldineB: I'm not discounting them -- just always trying to find the "truth" that underlies seemingly incredibly counterproductive behavior Do Priests also earn ribbons for the wars they incite but may not participate in? MEntity: Many actions are counterproductive relative to the intention, but they are always productive relative to the learning. Yes, they do. Not necessarily to all individuals involved, but to those with whom they have the closer bonds that were exploited. There are many instances of "collective Karma" in that a fragment who was the source of inspiration for great waves of Ribbons to be generated will then find a way to balance this through great waves of benefit. For example, Steve Jobs was balancing a collective Karma for a lifetime when his position of creativity only served to invent greater forms of torture. This lifetime was a means of helping to balance his life during the Inquisition. These Ribbons behave differently, but similarly, and they are as compelling. We must conclude here for today. GeraldineB: Interesting :) -- Not exactly philanthropic, such as doctors w/o borders . . .but, still of great benefit MEntity: The balance here was in uniting people through technology, rather than dividing them through technology, as was the case in the past. The irony here is that inherent in his creativity is still the suspicion that this technology still acts as a means of dividing. But it is a start to the balancing of those Ribbons. "He" will be back to do more. GeraldineB: LOL -- there will always be Luddites