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[Excerpt from Michael Speaks: December 1999] [Note: Otterly = Troy Tolley, the channel] [Mary936] Could you give the Role and Soul age of the four major presidential candidates: George W Bush, John McCain, Al Gore, and Bill Bradley? Hope this is not too off topic. [Michael_Entity] George: Scholar/Sage; Early Mature John: Sage/Scholar: Late Young Al: Scholar/Sage: Early Old Bill: Sage/Priest: Early Mature We will offer a disclaimer here as this forum is not conducive to receiving Overleaves. We will give these to Otterly independent of the chat session so as to clarify. Especially considering the end of a lengthy session online. [Note: These did change with time. GLB]
December 9, 1999 Troy Tolley, Channel Open Floor [Michael_Entity] Hello to all of you. We are here. One moment. We realize in our Energy Reports we have been sharing more than the usual amount of information. We do this at the request of the channel, Otterly [aka Troy Tolley], not as a means to impose lessons upon you. We do however feel the ability to apply the information we share is sometimes overlooked in the eagerness to “learn more”. In the Western culture, particularly, you have been heavily imprinted with the need for “more information” without the application of it. This is still a valid path, and one that yields great amounts of insight for many, but we raise this point as a means to offer reflection. We have no investments in how the information is applied or not applied, we simply answer your questions as we perceive. We see many of the students in states of satiation, filled with theory, yet having no means to funnel the information in a meaningful way. Many of you found this teaching meaningful precisely for its potential application. It is for this reason that Otterly [aka Troy Tolley] asks for insights into the dynamics of the Overleaves and Personality as you approach certain phenomenon in your lives. If it is your choice to utilize the information to that degree, then the information is here. With that said, we will take any questions as they might pertain to the Energy Report. [Mary936] Could you tell us more about what the Global Nexus means for Earth and for us? [Michael_Entity] A Global Nexus occurs every year. It is not unusual in itself. This particular Nexus and the next one in 2000 are highly emphasized due to the psychological symbols associated with it. This Nexus will affect Baby Souls the most as old ideas about “Christ's return” comes into question. With the high influx of Mature Soul consciousness, Young and Baby Souls will begin to feel the impact. Those in positions of authority in the church and in politics will be guided by new parameters and concerns. Regardless of Soul Age, all fragments are beginning to feel the intense impact of a new context for your planet. The “drama” of this Nexus, especially with the impending “Y2K” impact, will be one more intense cementing of the Mature Soul challenges permeating society and its people. For once, the planet is looking up, attentive, at nearly the “same time”. In other words, this will be one Nexus that implies in the most deeply moving of ways, that you all need each other; especially if the “lights go out”. For some of you who scoff at the prospect of Y2K problems, you are still reviewing your “what if's”. Those who do not work within the parameter of Mature Soul grouping will be glaringly obvious as they lash out in the New Year. You can see the beginnings of this anyway, as each person in their life sees the media’s portrayal of life “out there” as scary and unpredictable, lending a sense of appreciation for what is trusted in your closest circles. This then is the single most meaningful aspect of this Nexus all across the board. It will bring, if it hasn't already in its unfolding, a clarity of what is true in terms of the “higher” aspects of your living. Everything is being “reset”. Because of the psychological symbolism being attributed to this Nexus (and the new year), most are taking this opportunity as a way to start anew on all levels. As we stated in the Energy Report, look to your own “symptoms” to see if there are any messages for you. We can go on, but we will pause here. Is this offering some insight into the process? [Mary936] My “symptoms” were feeling happy and in tune, so I just felt fortunate. It may be hardest for Baby Souls. [suzee] I am in the midst of resetting my life beginning with my relationships…so absolutely. [Michael_Entity] Yes, though we covered the more uncomfortable symptoms, the feelings of synchronicity and joy are too, symptoms and messages. Most of you have started SOMETHING “new” that has some major significance in where you are “going”. This is part of your Nexus. Any comments can be shared here. We will take Terri's question after some comments, if there are any. [TCB]: There are three parts to the instinctive center, is this correct? Could you talk a little bit about how this nexus, and the various higher centers, may be affecting the 3 parts (physical body preservation, past life memory, and I forget the last part at the moment, sorry) of the instinctive center at this time? ... Oops sorry (Damn impatience!) [Lights_Edge] I definitely can relate to the new and identify with coming to know what is true for me. [Michael_Entity] If there are no comments, we will address Terri's question. [Hestiabastet] We have been finding ourselves in the middle of creating a lot of changes in our perceptions of our life, both present and future..:) [Michael_Entity] In response to Terri: All of the Instinctive is up for review. Not in the usual sense of tediousness, but more of an “overhaul”. Some of you are literally “purging” your systems. We would say that is most true for those of you having physical symptoms. Some of you are “upgrading” your systems. We would say this is true for those of you having confusion and overwhelm, disorientation. Some of you are “integrating” your systems. This might be true for those with anger and hypersensitivity. The Moving, Intellectual, and Emotional parts, respectively. [TCB] Is it kind of like a ‘distillation process the, finally coming down to “Whats True” for each of us then? [Michael_Entity] In each of these cases, it relates to the Instinctive Center, and these “three parts” Terri speaks of (each, of course, relating to preservation: physical, intellectual, and emotional respectively). In many of your cases, your “preservations” are outdated. They have carried over from lifetime to lifetime over many eons as the world took particular paths. They were held in anticipation of certain world truths. As this Nexus unfolds and more of what is “true” for the world in the new year becomes evident, you will settle into a pattern that moves the planet forward as collectively agreed upon. A Global Nexus at a millennium cross point REQUIRES all who are choosing to incarnate within the next 1000 years to converge on some basic principles for the “game”. So, yes, in answer to your question, ‘coming down to what is true’. [TCB] So we are “updating” our instinctive center ‘preservation of the species’ programs’….in a sense? [Michael_Entity] Yes, Terri, a valid image indeed. [TCB] Not to take up the whole floor, just trying to clarify a bit. Okay, Thank you Michael. (and Ott.) [Michael_Entity] When we move to OPEN FLOOR tonight, Otterly asks that questions do not move into exclusivity in terms of personal issues. If you choose to ask questions, have them capable of applying to all involved if possible. We will now move to OPEN FLOOR. We will continue until 11:15 EST. [MaryBV] Ott has suggested that we group together in small groups to work in 2000. Can Michael suggest which people might work better together? [Michael_Entity] We are unfamiliar with Otterly's suggestion. We would need some clarification. [MaryBV] Uh, Ott has suggested groups of 6 with Ott being the seventh to work together. To do advance studies together. [Michael_Entity] Yes, this seems to be a number conducive to learning in groups wishing to utilize information for growth and application. In answer to your question, we see all of you capable of being “grouped” with success. For refinement of that, we suggest you trust your intuition and feelings of resonance. We would also suggest considering the themes wishing to be covered. This is not an attempt at humour, but if the structures of your Cadres and Entities can be managed, your study groups can be as easily. [Shannon] Do all of us, who here call ourselves your “students”, have specific Agreements with you for information (or channeling)? And is this why your teachings resonate for us, and not for others with whom we might try to share your teachings? [Michael_Entity] Yes. This is valid. We are not “the” teaching. We are merely “one” perception of this Universe's patterns. For some, our teaching and insight will never be true. It is possible to die a 7th Level Old Soul, final life, and be a devout Christian or Baptist. Only the Essence determines the rate of evolution by its own standards. The only standards that are “universally true” are in the continually encompassing contexts for truth, love, and beauty (organized as Soul Ages in our teaching). Not all here are technically our ‘students’, but all here are seeking and living their paths to what they might call “home”. [Lights_Edge] I have been playing the idea that to truly understand you are the creator of your own reality you have to being accepting the responsibilities you have abdicated in the past to others. Can you comment on this idea and if it is valid in anyway? [Michael_Entity] If in “accepting responsibilities” you mean impose self-guilt and judgment, it is not valid, but a trick of the Chief feature. If in “accept responsibility” you mean to apply comprehension of your consciousness at the time (your past) as innocent, then yes, it is valid. We are using “valid” here as a means to differentiate fearful courses versus loving courses. You may choose any method of “accepting responsibility” that makes sense to you. If that does not work, in some “future” reference, you can even then “look back” at your innocence, and offer love. We are using “innocence” here as indicative of your evolution. Though time and linear reality does not exist to the Essence, it is quite valid and real to the Personality. To strip it of that tool is to remove its power. In recognizing your evolution within the lifetime, releasing guilt, self-judgment, and regret, is to acknowledge your past as having “not been in vain”. In other words, why remove the impact of a lesson chosen or experience processed, only to be replaced with inertia, sentimentality, or other fear? It is your life. We would say the single most important “mantra” that can be said without too much distortion of implication is to say that you “own it”, but let that ownership mean you built on it, not deconstructed it. This comes as suggestion in response to your query, not as instruction. You may deal with your pasts in any way you choose, of course. [TCB] Is it ‘true’ that most fragments who choose to make channeling agreements with you Michael, work with one or more fragments of your entity? As opposed say, to ‘tapping’ directly into the WHOLE entity consciousness? In other words, do we have certain M. entity fragments ‘assigned’ to work with different ‘mediums’? [Michael_Entity] Yes, this is true for many we work with. This does not mean it is true for us. The Personality for some involved with us requires a sense of personification. We have allowed ourselves to be called “sun gods” in Delphi, we also allow more modern distortions. This colors the channeling to a degree, but many factors do besides this, so it is moot. [ludmila] Do you mean at the Temple of Apollo? [Michael_Entity] We worked primarily in the Oracles of Delphi at the time, yes. We will elaborate on this another day, if more history is sought. [Lights_Edge] For clarification on my earlier question… Can you give an example of approach from a “loving course” and one from a “fearful course”. [Michael_Entity] A “loving course” is to acknowledge the symptoms showing as regret, sorrow, distraction, and grief, as valid forms of processing first. From there, many continue to impose the process rather than move forward. It is taught to many of you that in light of realization, punishment must follow. This is a construct that is a “fearful course”. Realization and heightened consciousness need not be forever laced with these symptoms. Self-punishment, in all of its costumes, was always someone else's ideas clashing with your own truths. This is true in all cases of self-punishment. Choosing to see your past in its true innocence, is a “loving course”. Choosing to see your past as “mistakes”, is not. Do you understand our differentiation? [Lights_Edge] I believe so… [Michael_Entity] If further elaboration is required, we will work with you independently. Thanks Michael. That would help. [Mary936] Could you give the Role and Soul age of the four major presidential candidates: George W Bush, John McCain, Al Gore, and Bill Bradley? Hope this is not too off topic. [Michael_Entity] George: Scholar/Sage; Early Mature John: Sage/Scholar: Late Young Al: Scholar/Sage: Early Old Bill: Sage/Priest: Early Mature We will offer a disclaimer here as this forum is not conducive to receiving Overleaves. We will give these to Otterly independent of the chat session so as to clarify. Especially considering the end of a lengthy session online. [bcwatson] Can you tell us why NASA keeps losing very expensive space vehicles trying to study Mars? Is there something going on that we humans don't know about? [Michael_Entity] Human consciousness, collectively, have agreed that outer space exploration, however intriguing, is simply not the priority. Many on your planet have determined that the Earth they live on must be tended to first. This creates great challenges for any off-planet travels. It has been this way since the late 80's. The Harmonic Convergence (as it was called) created this limitation. It is a valid and “responsible” approach to your future as a maturing species. [bcwatson] So the planet is more than a place for us to live on while we learn. It is also a lesson about taking care of our planet that we need to learn? [Michael_Entity] Yes, as your species matures, the devic forces and hive souls discontinue their participation. It is then the sentient species' responsibility to steward the life forces. This can be seen in any individual life as well. As you mature, the sense of “being taken care of” tends to leave. This is part of “growing up”. It is the same for an entire species and planetary evolution. [bcwatson] What does Michael see as the first thing, the most important thing we as humans need to correct as far as taking care of the earth… [Michael_Entity] The plants and animals will not miraculously survive all that it is subjected to as over the past 6 million years or so. They will require your participation in their sustenance and insurance. We have always seen overpopulation as your highest priority for management. We will conclude here. Goodnight.
TruthLoveEnergy Radio 11-2-08 Thanks to OceanMoon for the transcript. *** Hello, and welcome to Truth Love Energy Radio, where we get out our tools for understanding, nurturing, and building our Universe using the Michael Teachings. The most basic foundation of the Michael Teachings is that we are here to learn how to choose, and to choose how to learn. For more information on the Michael Teachings, please visit TruthLoveEnergy.com and check out the basic introduction so you too can join in with the growing number of students from around the world. On today’s show, we will discuss older souls and politics. So take a few deep breaths, center yourself, and get out your dialing fingers because we’d love to hear what you have to say. 646-200-0772. I’m your host and resident Michael channel. Enjoy the show. Hey, gang! Troy and Michael Speaks is back on the air after a long, long hiatus and we’re now called Truth Love Energy Radio. I decided to change the show’s title to reflect more of an emphasis on the information and away from me and the actual channeling, because there’s not going to be any live channeling during these shows that are live, because it’s a little bit too complicated to run things and channel. Plus I think this suits the nature and the direction of the show and keeps the branding kind of consistent among the various offerings from TruthLoveEnergy.com. Now, if you’re new to the Michael Teachings, and to this show, again, just check out TruthLoveEnergy.com for a basic introduction so you can get more out of our discussions here, or just google “Michael Teachings” and you’ll see a world of information come to your fingertips. Without a basic introduction, some of our discussions might sound like we’re playing a big game of Dungeons and Dragons, so study up, and it’ll all start to make perfect, practical sense. I’d also like to give a shout-out to Dave Gregg, who hosts MichaelTeachings.com, and that’s where students can explore an even wider spectrum of input from the Teachings, and from other students and other channels, so make sure you check that out too. And if you’re listening to the live show, and you would like to participate today, write down this number and call it, it’s 646-200-0772, and please be patient while you’re on hold, because we won’t be able to hear you until we introduce you into the show, but you’ll be able to hear us. And you can also join us in the chat room provided by BlogTalkRadio, let me make sure I have that launched here, hold on. If you don’t see it, it’s because I didn’t launch it. Hold on. There we go, let’s see if it pops up. We had trouble with this the other day, so… bear with me, if you listen to this and it’s recorded, this is just the nature of live radio. Ok, the chat room’s up, so if you’re here you can now log in there. Sorry about that. And if you were already logged in, and you don’t see the chat room, just refresh the page, because now it should show up. So anyway, today we’re going to be exploring the overleaves of the major candidates, the hopes and fears we share as participants in and observers of the upcoming US presidential election, and we’re going to explore ways that the older soul can contribute to a better world for the self and for others. I can’t believe the presidential election is two days away. And I know some of you may be rolling your eyes that yet another talk show is focusing on the election, but I mean, come on, it’s one of the most important historic elections of our time. And I know that it’s been said before, but that’s why I’m saying it is ONE of the most important. Every election is important but never have we had a woman running, and not only a black man running, but he’s now on the verge of presidency. That’s amazing! It’s very exciting. And if you don’t find some amount of awe in that, then you’ve probably let yourself become jaded. And maybe today’s show will help you jumpstart your enthusiasm again, who knows. We’ll be bringing in callers onto the air soon, so hang in there when you do call. You’ll be able to hear us, like I said, but we won’t be able to hear you until we introduce you, so be patient. I’d like to have today’s discussion focus on at least three elements, the essence and the personalities of the key candidates, and how those might play into the shifts in consciousness happening in the world. I’d also like to focus on our hopes and our fears as they are exposed by these shifts and changes in our world, and how we address those, and I’d like to focus on what we can do as older souls who are not so interested in the drama, the turmoil, the fear, the disruption. To not only feel a part of the world, and not so isolated, but also what we can do to contribute to what we might see as a brighter, healthier, embracing, inclusive, peaceful path for not only ourselves, but also our loved ones and the world. So, before we get into the show, I did want to talk about the information shared from Michael that suggests that we as a species are moving through a shift in awareness and consciousness. And this shows up in a lot of different ways, so it’s not an unfamiliar concept to a lot of you, because it’s talked about across the board in a lot of different teachings. But in the Michael Teachings, it’s a shift that’s described by a shift in predominant Soul Ages on the planet. And a person’s Soul Age basically describes not only the amount of experience a person’s soul or essence has accumulated over lifetimes, but also where one is in comprehending and digesting those experiences. One soul age is not better than any other, any more than a forty-five year old is better than a five year old. They’re just different perspectives based on different experiences, and collections of experiences. So, for more details about the soul ages, the basic intro at TruthLoveEnergy.com is a good start, and recently a wonderful creative person by the name of Terry Binning, put up her take on the introduction to soul ages in video form at YouTube. So if you just do a search for “Introduction to Soul Ages” or “Soul Ages”, it should come up, and it’s kind of a quick and dirty introduction, but it’s really lovely, and a lot of people are finding it to be very helpful, so make sure you check that out. So currently we’re shifting from what is called a Young Soul Paradigm, into a Mature Soul Paradigm. That basically means that the world has been populated mostly by what Michael would refer to as Young Souls for a very long time, and now many of those Young Souls are evolving into Mature Souls, bringing the population of Mature Souls into higher and higher numbers. And so with the population of Mature Souls growing, this is causing a shift in paradigms. Now this has taken over two thousand years, so it’s not a quick process. But the Young Soul Paradigm is basically a focus on… from gathering experiences that are focused on getting the most out of the physical plane, so the emphasis is on material gain, competition, winning, having, and it’s kind of like the teenage of our souls. And sometimes this shows up as being greedy, oppressive, selfish, and exploitive. So it does show up in both positive and negative ways. The Mature Soul Paradigm is more about realizing that the material plane is not all there is, and kind of looking up and saying, “Who am I? And what does this all mean?” And you start to look for your place in the world, how you fit into the world and into relationships. And it’s important to connect and empathize with not only your fellow human beings, but it becomes important to recognize the emotional realm of other species, and our place in caring for the planet, and that we’re all in this together. So the world starts to shrink into what feels like a global village, and we realize the impact of our choices upon each other. So this can show up in kind of a negative way, as being a lot of emotional turmoil, a lot of drama, a lot of intensity, and anything that really helps to break down and bring the emotional realm into focus, so that we can all start to empathize and connect. So from about 1987 to now, the world has been shifting more and more away from the Young Soul perspective, and into the Mature Soul perspective, putting into wider and wider effect our concerns about the planet, about animals, and about other countries, about our shared resources, about our rights, and the rights of others, and breaking down barriers and coming together as more cohesive, involved, caring, and responsible species. So, we’re in the early stages of this shift, relatively speaking, so we’re going to see a lot of Baby and Young Souls kicking and fighting against the shift, but the paradigm is pretty much already in place. And now it seems we’re on the verge of really, truly beginning to see the Mature Soul paradigm really take root, and begin to implement what that means. So, that’s the gist behind why this election may very well be a key in that evolution of our species collectively. But please understand that this is just a short program, and you should explore this concept further in other places. There’s no way I can really cover all of it, in all the nuances and details here. So, ok, first things first, without further delay, I would like to introduce my panel for the day. <music> First I’d like to introduce Sandy the Sage. Sandy: Hi! Troy: Hi, Sandy. Sandy: I love the theme music! Troy: And here comes Cyprus the Sage. Cyprus: Hi. Troy: Hi Cyprus. How do you like that? I got you guys a little theme song going. Cyprus: Yeah, slightly creepy. Sandy: I thought it was kinda cool. Troy: Cute! Sandy: It was ponderous. Troy: I like it to be fun. And I worked hard on picking out that little theme. Sandy: I have no doubt. Troy: I can just see you guys… Cyprus: I know what went through your head! Sandy: Yeah, me too. Troy: Thank you guys for being a part of the show today. I’m having trouble navigating everything so, I don’t know. Sandy: Troy, I still don’t have a chat room, and I even logged out and logged back in. Troy: I have a chat room here, and Ann’s here, a lot of people are here. So, you might have to refresh the page. Sandy: I refreshed, and then I logged out. Troy: Well, shoot. I don’t know what to tell you. I hope that you can find it. Sandy: Don’t worry about it. Troy: You’re on here, and that’s all that matters. I’ll try to keep my eyes on the chat room. So, let’s just dive right into the major presidential and vice presidential candidates’ overleaves, ok? So, I’m gonna read these off, and then we’ll talk about them. Vice President Joseph Biden, one of the Democratic candidates, is channeled as a Second Level Mature Sage, in Growth, with Perseverance and Skepticism, with a chief negative feature of Arrogance. Barack Obama, who is Fifth Level Mature, a Priest in Growth, with Caution and Idealism with Arrogance. And, the Republican candidates… Vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, she’s a Second Level Young Warrior in Dominance with Perseverance and Idealism and a chief negative feature of Stubbornness. And John McCain, Sixth Level Young Sage in Dominance, with Perseverance and Pragmatism, with chief negative feature of Self-Destruction. And for you guys listening who don’t know what these words mean, the introduction will really help. So check that out. So, first things first. If you look at these overleaves, and if they’re accurate, and keep in mind that different channels are possibly going to get different sets of overleaves for various reasons. One is just inaccuracy, and lack of clarity in channeling, the other reason is because there are basically three interpretations, one is like a public persona, one is like a private persona, and then there’s what Michael refers to as the Akashic Records overleaves, whether we see them that way or not, they’re on record that way in the Akashic Records. And, one is not more helpful than the other, so just take these with a grain of salt and use them if they make sense to you. If not, you can mix and match them with the other channels’ overleaves. But these are the ones that I received. So, if these overleaves are accurate, what do you guys notice first about these candidates? Cyprus: The Republicans are in Dominance. Sandy: There’s a lot of Sages out there. I guess only two, but still, two out of four, that’s fifty percent. Troy: There you go. And, what did you say Cyprus? Cyprus: There’s a lot of Dominance in the Republican ticket. Troy: Yeah, another thing that I notice is that the Republican party, we talked about this earlier off-air, that the Republican party seems to be really dominated by a lot of Young Souls, which makes a lot of sense, because it’s the party that’s really kind of been exemplifying everything that we think of as the Young Soul Paradigm. And I’m looking at the list of Republicans that were originally running candidates, and I don’t see any… Cyprus: No, they’re all Young, I already looked. Troy: Let’s see, Ron Paul is a Mature Soul, and I think he’s the oldest of all the Republicans. Cyprus: Oh yeah, Ron Paul. Sandy: And he’s First Level Mature, which mostly you’re pretty still much manifesting Seventh Level Young, at that age, aren’t you? Troy: They would still be an appeal to the Young Souls, but definitely trying to implement some more Mature Soul concepts. Cyprus: But wasn’t he the most normal Republican? Troy: He’d be the closest to maybe taking away the religious hijacking of the Republican party. And then the Democratic party, I’m noticing… Cyprus: Mature Soul. Troy: Yeah, a lot of Mature Souls, Kucinich is the oldest one, he’s up there, being an Old Soul, but he’s the only one in the Democratic party that were nominees that I can think of, or that were major ones. Sandy: Yeah, well, he never had a chance to start with. Troy: We’re not quite ready for an Old Soul in the White House again, I’m sure a lot of people aren’t. Ok, so that’s one of the patterns I’ve noticed. And so, I wanted to go into, let’s see where we are, to the question of whether we are “doomed” or not. And this is coming from a question that I think Leela posted in the Forum, and I wanted to read the response to this so we can discuss it. This is directly from Michael. We can discuss this, how we feel about this, ok? So, she asked, “Are we truly doomed to another 4, 8, more years of what we currently have, with a different face? How are things looking at the moment, knowing it could change in the next moment?” So Michael says, “We cannot answer your first question with any amount of accuracy, especially within the context of “doom”, as we do not see any probability that could be described as being doomed. You are a creative and durable race of Sentience and can find ways to work through or around disappointing or devastating directions in politics toward an agreed-upon ideal.” “In answer to your second question, we can say that the probability is high that a majority of personalities will not be happy with the results of this election, regardless of who wins, because inherent in the position are high probabilities of backlash. The next president has a high probability of being known as a ‘President of Disaster’ or Collapse, as the population roils in reaction to various events. Our point in sharing this is to say that it will not matter so much WHO wins the next election as much as it will matter HOW the public responds. In one direction there are high probabilities of Civil War and an uprising of currently-stabilized groups of violent Baby and Young Souls, while in another direction there are high probabilities for complete breakdown of economic and social infrastructure through chaotic uprisings and protests among currently-stabilized self-righteous Late Young and Early Mature Souls.” “We continue to state that the unfolding of this election still holds quite surprising factors that we cannot predict or even see in the pattern of consciousness as probabilities, such as the bringing in of the fragment known as ‘Palin’. This was not planned on any level beyond an immediate, scrambling defense from among those who support the candidacy of the fragment known as ‘McCain’.” “A secured, technical shift into a Mature Soul paradigm for the United States and the World is the highest probability of all, but how this plays out is possible across a spectrum ranging from all-out violence and upheaval to ecstatic bliss among the populations.” So, I don’t want to go into all these various probabilities, but I like how they ended this response by saying that “Acknowledging your fears and concerns as legitimate, but still choosing a conscious emphasis on Trust, Inclusion, and Love as just as strong a legitimate potential among humanity could help to drive a new direction into higher probability. Whatever is chosen, created, or allowed, we see your Sentience as having the capabilities for navigating through it to the ideal, eventually.” So, what do you think the ideal is? Sandy: Well the last time we both talked at the same time, this time we’re both so polite we’re not talking. Go ahead, Cyprus. Cyprus: You go first. Sandy: Well, I don’t really know what the ideal is. Star Trek? You know, where everything is taken care of, and everybody gets to do jobs they enjoy, and things they’re good at… of course that’s the ideal, that whole Venus Project thing that we looked at. I definitely think that would be ideal but I don’t really know how you would go from a system of currency and what we have now to that type of a system. I don’t know how you would integrate it. It would have to be an all-at-once event. I don’t know how that would happen. I’m just not that smart. Troy: Well, we’re not talking so much about the process as about the ideal. What do we think of as a positive outcome from this coming election? As representatives of older souls who are, you know, we’re a minority in numbers in terms of the Michael teachings, but we don’t misrepresent an ideal that a lot of people share, regardless of soul age. Like peace, it would be great. I think a lot of people are ready to just get along. A lot of people are tired of the divisions, and the oppression and the exploitation, all of these things. So I think the ideal must include those things. Sandy: Well, I would think that one of the things that I really have hope for, and want for, is that Obama wins in a really big way, because our country has been very divided, the elections were so close, and sorta stolen, and, you know, with the person getting the most votes not actually being the president. All this has really divided our country. And we need to come together again. We need somebody, we need the country to seem more unified, and if one person gets a lot of the vote, we’re more likely to feel like we’re in it together as opposed to feeling like we’re completely divided. You’re either red or blue, and that’s it. So I’m really hoping for that, and I do have more of a feeling of, a good feeling, more of a positive feeling in the last few weeks than I have had in a while. And I feel very good about the potential. I mean, the world view of the United States will be immediately upon him winning, will be immediately better, in my opinion. Troy: Well, it will definitely shift. But before we go in that direction, I want to hear from Sandy, if she has an idea of what you think of as an ideal that we could potentially head toward. And if we could do it smoothly, that would be great. But what’s your idea of that? Sandy: Well I do agree to a great extent with Cyprus. I feel that it’s really important that Obama not only win, but win large. If he wins by the skin of his teeth, I would almost rather lose, because I think that would virtually guarantee an assassination attempt. Whereas a large win could say that to the world that America is still America, and we do care, and we do want change, and that we’re willing to do what it takes to get it. My idea of an ideal outcome is for the people to realize that we’re in this together and to get away from this, as long as it’s good for me, it’s good, I don’t care what happens to my neighbor. We need to go back to our roots, which is everybody looking out for everybody. Troy: Yes, definitely. That’s where I see people on the brink. It seems like we’re really really teetering on, well, as a whole I’ve seen this in my neighborhood, and just seeing it online, that people are on the brink of teetering towards embrace, and let’s all get along kind of mentality. Sandy: I think it can happen now, I really think the possibilities are there for it to finally happen. Troy: Oh yeah, and if it does, it’s going to take root like wildfire. But the other side of the teetering is toward “oh my god, we have to protect our own.” And a huge wedge of division that could possibly take a while to undo, because of this election. And I think there are lots of different ways we could have come to this point but I think that if we go in the direction of the big wedge, I think the process will be a lot more arduous and a little bit more tumultuous, if we go in the direction of “we’re all in this together” I think it will go a lot smoother. So which candidate do you guys think represents the direction of smoother versus the wedge? Sandy: Oh come on. Troy: It’s a legitimate question, some people might not think that. Cyprus: If someone does NOT think that it’s Obama, and thinks it’s McCain, they really ought to have their head examined. I mean, that’s not even thinking. I can’t even believe that people would be undecided at this juncture, or leaning in that direction, I mean I know it sounds harsh, but I just can’t even wrap my head around someone’s thinking that’s a better direction to go. It doesn’t make sense. I can’t even fathom it. Troy: Geraldine in the chat room has pointed out, which I agree with, that we’re not gonna know a winner on November 4th, and that’s really weird. Cyprus: I hope that’s not true. Troy: I really hope that’s not true as well, but when was the last time we knew that day? Sandy: Except for the last two that were stolen! If it’s a legitimate win, we’ll know that day. Cyprus: Yeah, we’ll know it that day. Troy: Well, I hope so, because that would bode well. And the only way that McCain will win, I think, is if it’s a very very close number which may or may not be… Cyprus: The only way that McCain will win is if they steal it. Sandy: That’s my feeling as well. Cyprus: Now I was thinking about something, I was talking with someone about Hillary Clinton recently, because you know I was a Hillary fan during the primaries, and a lot of people have been saying, you know Obama should have picked Hillary because then he would have guaranteed his win, and this and that, the Republicans wouldn’t have had a chance. And just recently I was thinking, you know I think it’s a good idea that he didn’t pick Hillary, even though I am a Hillary fan. Because it’s almost like, if he wins, this way he won on his own terms, without that Clinton machine boost, and it’s almost somehow cleaner, of a win. And more, I don’t want to use the word respectable, but you know, it’s just, it’s like he earned it completely on his own without taking what could have been an easy route, but may not have been the best thing. Sandy: Well, I just want to say when Obama wins, it’s going to be with a huge boost from the Clinton machine, because the Clintons have worked very hard to help get Obama elected. And the only reason that he didn’t pick her for the VP slot, and I do agree that it was a smart move, was because he’s got a better place for her in the cabinet, where she’ll do more. Cyprus: I agree with the fact that the Clintons obviously have helped Obama, because they’re Democrats. I mean, I saw Clinton with Obama earlier this week, and this and that, but it’s not the same thing as having them on the trail constantly and being the VP pick, saying well you voted for her before, and you can vote for her now, you know, it’s more like he had to earn those people back. Sandy: Hillary was here in red state Kentucky yesterday. Cyprus: Oh that’s exciting, did you see her? Sandy: No, I wasn’t able to go, she was in Louisville, and that’s pretty far from me. But it made me feel good that red state that Kentucky is, they haven’t written it off yet, and that Hillary was the one that they sent here to do it. She’s been on the trail quite a bit. She’s been a very visible and vocal presence. But frankly I think that as VP, she would have been able, it would almost be a reprise of her first lady role. Where in the Cabinet, she can have more stature and accomplishment, and areas of definite responsibilities that nobody can say, oh well, big deal, she was a Vice President, what do they do? Troy: Yeah, definitely. Cyprus: Sarah Palin doesn’t know what they do. Sandy: Well, no, she doesn’t have a clue and so she’s an ideal person for that role. And by the way, Troy, she is not the first woman nominee, she’s the first Republican nominee. Geraldine Ferraro was the Democratic VP nominee. Troy: Oh, you’re right, thank you for correcting that. And Hillary is a great force to have on your side, to represent you, if she’s a Mature Warrior in Dominance and Perseverance. Hello! Cyprus: You saw that in her campaign. Troy: Yeah. Definitely. Sandy: You can see it in everything she does. Troy: And the Pragmatist attitude in there. So that’s really helpful. I’m not a big fan of Obama. Being the only option I can see as viable, my interest has grown, and warmed to that, obviously. I wanted to go back to what Cyprus said, or one of you said about it, being like a landslide win, or if McCain wins, it will have been stolen, and that very well may be true. But there are a lot of people… I watched the View, and that Elizabeth Hasselbeck, if she’s any indication of representing the Republican side of things, she gets quite a few cheers from the audience when she is speaking, in a way that I find to be very disturbing, in defense of the Republican party. So, I don’t know, I don’t know if it’s really that cut and dried. Cyprus: Well I do not think that no one, I mean, it’s unrealistic to think that John McCain isn’t going to get some votes. And I’m not even saying it won’t be close, I’m afraid that it will be. But what I’m saying is that what we need is a landslide. Because if we have a landslide then people will feel more unified, I think. However, that right-wing, whack-a-doodle nut job Hasselbeck is representative of a lot of people. And they’re gonna vote. But because of the way everything is set up, if we have more people voting, you know, that are Democratic, that are voting Democrat, we can win that state. So it’s not even if they vote, the Republicans, I mean we’ve talked several times about some people I know in Wisconsin, that I can’t even have a discussion with, I mean they’re completely insane, even though I love them. But Wisconsin still will end up being a blue state, so even though those people will certainly go out and vote in droves, they won’t win the state. Troy: How bizarre will it be, if Arizona is won over? Sandy: And they’re looking at it as being a good chance. Arizona knows what kind of a crook he is. Cyprus: And a lot of them have moved from the Northeast. A lot of Arizona people are transplants from the Northeast. Troy: So let’s move on to the economy, and how this is all going to play out. I wanted to read a couple of things that have been collected over the past month or so from the forum, from people who have asked questions about the economy, and discuss that. So, let’s see, the first thing is, someone asked, “Can Michael give some perspective on the current economic crisis? How do you see it’s effects for the future at this time?” And Michael said, “We cannot and will not predict,” blah blah blah, “but we can share our perspective of the patterns, as they appear to be unfolding at this time. Our perspective of the ‘crisis’ is one that we see as a ‘good thing’ in that it coincides precisely with the shift in Soul Age and in the Global Platform,” which is a whole other concept that I can’t get into here, but, a Global Platform, “from one of DEBT to one of CHOICE. The United States originated from Mature and Old Soul values and systems, but quickly fell back into the processes of the Young Soul paradigm because the Young Soul inhabitants under the older souls eventually began to run things. Now that the world paradigm is shifting into Mature Soul values and systems, it makes sense to us that structures based in Debt and Young Soul ideals would begin to transform. However, the process of a shift from Young to Mature has high potential for drama, as that is the nature of the Mature Soul, or at least part of the nature. The current economic crisis is moving to a global level because the global consciousness is shifting. Economy exists in physical, emotional, intellectual, and spiritual realms, so as one dominant structure shifts, all levels of currency and exchange will shift. Debt-based economy is no longer of interest to the majority of souls on your planet, but what kind of economy to move into has not been clarified or secured yet. Most simply know that something is not right, and something needs to change. The single most powerful medium for change for all fragments on the planet at this time is economic. No other medium could effect change and evolution to the extent that an economic overhaul could bring. This also makes sense to us as a planet moves out of a Young Soul paradigm. The dominant soul age uses the relevant, predominant medium as a transition. For instance, when the shift happened from Baby to Young Souls, about two thousand years ago, it was based in a religious medium.” Troy: So before I go on to the next part, what do you guys think of that? Does that make sense to you guys, does that ring true? Were you listening? Sandy: Well, I was listening, and some of it does. Then every time I think yeah yeah yeah I get it, then you said something that I thought, well, I don’t exactly get that. Troy: Ok, what would that be? Sandy: So I don’t know exactly where I stand on this. I do think that economics are going to have a large part in determining what this outcome is going to be. Troy: You mean, like, whoever wins, the economy is gonna be the medium for it. Sandy: It’s gonna be a large part of the driving force to that victory. If people don’t think that their economic situation is gonna get better, they’re not gonna vote for that person, no matter what. And again, living down here in red state Kentucky, I have heard a number of dyed-in-the-wool Republicans say that they can’t bring themselves to vote for Obama, and so they’re gonna stay home. They won’t vote against their economic interest by voting for McCain, but they can’t bring themselves to vote for a Democrat, so they are just gonna not vote. I’ve heard it a lot more than I’ve ever heard it before. Troy: See, I think that’s gonna be a part of what contributes to the possibility of Obama’s loss, if that were to happen, that kind of mentality. That’s unfortunate. Sandy: If only that mentality is only in Republicans, it’s no harm. Cyprus: My dad has voted Republican in every election, and he’s voting for Obama. Troy and Sandy: Good for him! Troy: Well the point of this little piece that I read was that when a soul age paradigm shifts on a planet, it’s done through the medium of whatever was the predominant medium for the soul age that has been in place for quite a long time, so religion was a big part of the world paradigm when it shifted about two thousand years ago, so a religious basis was used. And now, it’s moved into economy, or money, being the predominant medium of concern in people’s lives, I guess you could say, or affects every single person’s life, so that’s the medium for the change that will help move us into a Mature Soul world. So, what I’m asking is, do you guys find that to be a valid concept? Cyprus: Well, yes I do, because it’s the thing that keeps people separated right now, is your financial status, what you’re able to do, what you’re able not to do. If you look at not just our country but the world, evening out that economy, evening out money, not in a communist way, but in the way where not just less than one percent of the population holds ninety nine percent of the wealth. That’s just not going to work going forward. And I’m making a big jump in assuming here, but in assuming a Mature Soul society where people, what is the Mature Soul thing, “I know how you feel,” you know, it’s not going to be accepted to have people starving, and people dying, and people not having medical care, and people not being able to have the regular, just the basic needs of survival, it’s not going to be ok. So money is how that would, money is the big contributing factor to that. Sandy: I agree with that wholeheartedly Cyprus, you expressed that very well. Troy: Yes, that, I think, is the point, is that since economy is... Sandy: Not that economics are money for it’s own sake, it’s the fact that people are no longer willing to see some people starve while other people are lighting their cigars with hundred dollar bills. Troy: Right. So I’m gonna go on and read the rest of this where Michael is talking about the economy in terms of choice versus debt, and see if that sheds any more light on the circumstances and possibilities. So Michael says, “Economy generated by Choice,” because someone asked what would that look like, let’s see what they asked exactly… “What is a Choice economy based from, perhaps prioritization of resources? Is the system the same but with a different emphasis, or is the system markedly different?” And Michael says, “An economy generated by Choice would be one in which each individual finds that which he or she is best at contributing and then does so because it feel good to do, create, and give that thing. This is then reciprocated by the joy others have found in discovering what they feel good about doing, creating, and giving.” “Access to all resources is based on personal need and not on hoarding. No one would tend to take more than is needed because the concept of competition has come to a close.” “ Competition is replaced with Contribution. Natural joy and fulfillment evolves from the emphasis on Giving, and not just on the Consuming. ‘Laziness’ is no longer a concern. Because it is comprehended that for one to Give or Contribute, it must come from Choice, not from obligation of expectation. This tends toward a community that sustains inspiration and enthusiasm, while honoring the fluctuating moods and choices of the individual.” “There are no debts because when one cannot, or chooses not to, give or contribute, he is seen as simply making a choice that will then be replaced with another choice at another time.” “This economy tends to begin with a leaning toward fields organized within contexts of NEED and WANT, with some amount of overlapping. For instance, foods, sanitation, water supplies, healing, teaching services, may fall into the NEEDS contexts, while arts, entertainments, invention, spirituality, may fall into the WANTS contexts. Of course, the overlapping occurs when one can see Art as a form of Healing, or Invention as a form of support for Sanitation, etc. The economy of Choice then tends to discover that everything is ‘needed,’ and that ‘want’ is a concept of the past when it was assumed that Want was less important than Need. In the evolved economy of Choice, it is quickly discovered that it is rare that one Wants more than one Needs, and that this is a relative concern best left to the individual.” “While there would still be pros and cons to this kind of economy (such as structure and consistencies), the pros far outweigh the cons in terms of health, happiness, and peace.” So, there’s more I’m gonna read in a second, but what do you guys think of that? Cyprus: Sounds like Star Trek to me! Sandy: Yeah, it really sounds very, like a very good description of the choices to come, and what the results are gonna mean. And I think this is when, sometimes Michael forgot what it’s like to be here. So in this particular case, I don’t. I think he really gets it there, and I really like what he has to say. Cyprus: The complicated part is the fact that, and maybe one of the reasons why the economy is just in the toilet, is because if people are very wealthy, they’re not going to be wanting to give that up. And they’ll feel like they’re giving up everything and other people are giving up nothing. So, if things happen, like catastrophe type things, that happen that take that away, and they don’t have that option anymore, and you can rebuild, ‘cause you have to basically rebuild and restructure everything, the people who are in power now are the people who have the money. Troy: Well, we’ve done it before, and we can do it again. We can begin. Sandy: You know, I’m an Idealist, and you know that colors what I think about at times, but in spite of that, I have to look at the fact that yes, the people in power, the people with the most money, who have the most to lose, are really gonna hate this kind of a change. But that’s when it’s important to remember that it’s only one percent of them. The ninety-nine percent are struggling everywhere. And I think that the change that we’re looking for isn’t to take everything away from that one percent. But it is to equalize the burden, and to take some of the burden off the lowest end, and move things more toward the middle. You know, we used to have worldwide, an upper class, a middle class, and a poorer class. More and more countries don’t have that anymore. There’s that one percent of rich people, and the ninety-nine percent that are struggling to survive. And they’re just not willing to do that anymore. Troy: Well not only do we have to keep in mind that one percent or so is with all the money, but if the value of money continues to lose its power, that’s part of what the process would be. So who cares if they throw a fight… Cyprus: That was my point. Troy: I personally… I’m just here to discuss these probabilities that Michael is talking about, but I as an individual don’t really know how the process would become implemented, or how that would go, what that would look like. But I know that it will probably start. Cyprus: Well I am not an Idealist like the two of you, but I think that it would be the best case scenario, obviously. And, I mean, who wouldn’t want to live somewhere where everybody got to do what they were good at, or what they wanted to do, what they had an interest in, what made them happy to get up and go do every day, and have everything taken care of, based on that. It sounds wonderful and utopian and I am totally on board with it. My point was maybe the reason we are having this economic crisis now, is because that one percent, even if there is only one, they can be a loud percent if they have all the money. And they’re not gonna just turn it over, and go, you know, let’s just give it to everybody else because it would be the right thing to do. It’s gonna be something where it has to lose its value. They have to have some incentive. There has to be some reason for them to want to change things, and that reason would be that what they have now doesn’t really count for anything. Troy: I want to share with you what Geraldine says in the chat room, she says, “I don’t agree that when poor achieve power, that it doesn’t include a driving urge for wealth. Every revolution has had this flip-flop.” And I think that’s true. Sandy: I think that’s true too, but I don’t think that’s the point. Troy: Yeah, I think that even if that’s the motivating power here, I think that it’ll eventually be a different form of power that’s utilized, in this case, in this shift that’s happening. Sandy: See, what I’m looking at, I don’t expect the poor to suddenly have power, because that’s kind of self-defeating. But I just think that more and more people are coming to realize that they don’t want to live in a world where anybody starves to death. Troy: Right, and when the poor, who have been suffering to some degree, or to any degree, have a higher sensitivity to empathize with other people, and I think it’ll be a lot more emphasis on sharing, in that regard. So, I want to go on with the next part, here… somebody asked, “On a practical level, how does a choice-based economy deal with money and concepts of trade and markets? I don’t mean stock markets, I mean actual markets. I ask because it’s hard to imagine, in real terms, what this would look like, since humanity has lived with market economies for a very long time.” And so Michael says, “Trade would still exist, but would be a matter of choice and comprehension, not rationing. Exchanges would be direct, rather than through the use of a controlling, irrelevant medium such as currency. A choice-based economy is a resource-based economy that does not rely on money. This may be a bizarre concept. But is it natural and a part of most evolving cultures at some point. In other words, a choice-based/resource-based economy would ask, ‘do we have the resources to provide what we need and want?’ rather than ‘do we have the money to provide what we need and want?’ Relying on resource as the factor for access and sharing frees up a massive depth of resources inherent within humanity that have rarely been tapped.” “We realize we are speaking in simplistic terms, and this is partially due to the fact that what we describe would require a much greater elaboration if we are to share the details of such an overhauling paradigm, and partially due to the limitations of this channel” Hello, that’s me. “and students for delivering and comprehending such a paradigm.” So, in that kind of economy, I’m done with the quote now, but in that kind of economy, one of the things that has come up, or one of the things I’ve heard people say, is that “well, if everybody had that kind of choice, then we’re gonna have this big wave of freeloaders, and people taking advantage of it,” and I think that that kind of concern is coming from our current paradigm, our current system that’s in place where people are forced to do things that they don’t want to do, that they don’t love to do, and that drives them to take advantage and exploit situations that make things easier for them, or at least that they think makes it easier for them. But in a world where things are given and shared, and what you contribute is based on what you’re good at, I think that would completely change the way we experience the concept of laziness and freeloading. Sandy: Leslie points out in the chat room (I finally got the chat room, by the way), that maybe a Mature Soul paradigm will break the cycle, and I think that’s exactly the point. If we’re looking at things from a more Mature Soul point of view, and empathy for one another, we’re not going to assume that everybody who isn’t at work today is freeloading. We’re going to say, hmm, wonder what’s going on in his/her life, wonder what they need. Troy: Yeah. There would be a lot more interest in helping people. And also, the whole concept of depression and illness and all the things that run us down, especially in the American culture, would shift and change, and health would be a priority. Our well-being would be a priority. So, all of this stuff, regardless of how it comes about, whether it’s dramatic, or it’s slow, or whether it’s an overhaul overnight, which I doubt will happen… but all of this is good, in the long run. And I think that if Obama is elected, that will be a very good sign. Sandy: I agree wholeheartedly. Troy: Now, two things that Michael talked about also, recently, in the Forum, and I really think this captures two sides of what’s going on here, kind of captures the concerns of the Mature Soul, and the ideals of the Old Souls that are helping bring this shift about, if you could put it that way. But they said at the end of the piece I just read, “We have suggested to read the works that are being explored and implemented by the King fragment Jacque Fresco, and we would suggest the same for our students. This fragment holds the greatest impact on what we would consider to be the future of your species.” So his name is Jacque Fresco, and he is part of the, he’s the one who holds this vision for what’s been called the Venus Project. And the Venus Project basically describes everything that Michael’s been talking about that we’re headed toward. And so this is one side, the ideal that we actually may be able to create and live in at some point, as a species. But on the other side of things is the concern that’s represented by Naomi Wolf. And she’s the one who put together a documentary called The End of America. And I want to read what Michael said about Naomi Wolf. She’s a “fifth level Mature Sage, King cast Sage, with a goal of Discrimination, a Realist in Observation mode, sliding to Passion, and a chief negative feature of Arrogance. The viewpoints shared by this fragment, while passionate and full of urgency, are valid. She exemplifies the use of Fear as a source of information or informative decision-making, and not as a source of reactionary defense. Her insights and urgency invite activism from those who are willing to participate in the potential revolutions ahead. Keep in mind that we have spoken of your current timeline running parallel to the timeline of Caesar Augustus. Comprehending this can help your collective consciousness implement what was learned before, so that it’s not repeated in the same way. What this fragment shares here is not new to us.” OK, so I see that Naomi Wolf is representing the positive side of our fears and concerns. She’s really delineated all the potential destructive measures that could come about from a handful of people who are in control. And there’s no conspiracy, it’s very informative, and it’s just about really upholding our constitutional rights and being informed and being aware. And I see that as a positive thing. And then Jacque Fresco, and all that work on the Venus Project, represents hopefully whether we go through a revolution or whether we go through a smooth transition. That’s where we are all ultimately headed, at least for the next phase. So, I’ll give you guys links and details to Naomi Wolf’s work and Jacque Fresco’s work in the show notes. But what do you guys think, panel? What do you think of those two sides of things? Not two sides, but complimentary perspectives there. Sandy: Yes, that is actually a very complimentary perspective, and I think they sound great. And I do think it’s going to be a gradual process, but I think that more and more people are gonna be getting on board. And I think that this election is going to signal, if it’s not stolen away from us, it’s gonna signal the beginning of real change. And if this election IS stolen away from us, I do think that there’s still going to be big change, but it’s going to be a lot more violent change because I think there could really be a chance of a civil war if we get robbed again. Cyprus: That is exactly what I was thinking, Sandy. If Obama wins, I think we have more of a potential or probability of going down the line of a smoother, more comfortable change. And if the election is stolen, which is the only way I feel McCain can win, then I really think the change will be extreme and revolutionary, as opposed to everyone getting on board. Troy: Now, did you guys watch the Naomi Wolf documentary? Cyprus: I did, yes. Sandy: I did. Troy: Did you find it to be informative, or terrifying and fear-based, or just a source of awareness? Sandy: I found it to be informative and terrifying. Troy: <laughing> ok Sandy: Not necessarily fear-based, but I felt that it was very informative, but I still found it to be very frightening. Cyprus: I, again, have to agree, I had that same thought. I don’t think that she does it in a fear-based way, but it really does ignite that core aspect of you when you sit there and you think, you know, what if that happens to me? And I have no recourse for anything, and my voice doesn’t count anymore? You know, I don’t have any rights anymore? I mean, it would turn our country into Germany. Troy: Old Germany, right? Cyprus: Yes. I was thinking in my head at the time I was like, when you were showing old footage of Germany before the war and before Hitler, and you know how they had open gay rights, and all these kind of things that you wouldn’t have really necessarily associated with Germany at that time? And they were probably thinking as these things began to happen, they were probably thinking oh, well that’s never going to happen to us, we’re obviously more evolved than that, and the people here matter, and that’s not going to happen. And that’s what I think that people here would, even as I was watching it I was thinking they are not going to actually let that stuff get too far. But once you’re taking the steps, it already IS too far. And you can’t get things back, and what if they make decisions where all of a sudden we don’t have the right to speak up, and to do anything, because when you do, then you’re carted away, never to be seen again. Sandy: It started already during the conventions. Troy: Yeah I know. And that’s what I was going to say, was that I think that one of the shifts that Michael has talked about as a key shift towards a Mature Soul world or paradigm, is the loss of privacy. And on the one hand that sounds really terrifying, and we do need to worry about that, but at the same time it works in our favor, because we’re able to document all of these things that are happening that we never would have been able to share before, and bring people to alert. So, there’s a certain level of privacy that we’re giving up in order to be able to bring attention to these otherwise covert operations that are happening right in the middle of America under our noses. And now we know. And now we gotta figure out what to do to stop it or to change that. Cyprus: I think that movie should be shown on all the channels, prime time. Troy: I definitely think so too. So if you’re listening to this show, definitely take the time. Go to EndOfAmericaMovie.com. That’s very important to watch. And don’t let it scare you, let it just inform you. And also, if you’re really interested in what you can do, then there’s a website that she’s put together called MyAmericaProject.org and this will help you to… I haven’t looked at it since, because she wasn’t done putting everything up, but it’s a list of things that we can do. Like we can actually make a difference in protecting our constitutional rights. And then if you’re interested in exploring the Venus Project, which is an amazing, beautiful design that’s very complex, and is really taking into consideration everything that would need to be in place for this transition to happen, TheVenusProject.com. Include the word THE. TheVenusProject.com . Check that out. It’s very inspiring, but it can also be depressing because it really showcases what we have as a potential in humanity, and that we haven’t been doing it. But that’s ok, you can’t look at it like that, you have to look at it as a direction we can possibly go towards. Those links will be in the show notes too. But I wanted to go on to the next part here, and see if this is informative, because I want this to be in the final archived show for people to hear. But there were some questions about Soul Age and government, and what those look like for different Soul Ages. And what it led to was, let’s see…. I don’t want to read all of it but I wanted to bring to a point something that we’ve had under our noses this whole time, that Michael, when we can’t really conceive of what it would be like to have a non-authoritarian government, where we shift into a world of choice and contribution. We’ve had that in our midst for the past ten years, whether we realized it or not, and that would be the Internet. Sandy: Oh, yeah! Troy: What has come from having the Internet, is a complete shift in so many levels of exchange that we can see how it could work. We can see the open source programs, the sharing of files… there’s nobody in charge. There’s nobody policing it to, you know, to some extent there is but, and it’s growing towards that direction, but it hopefully won’t go completely in that direction, but it’s a non-centralized government. It’s a non-centralized political system. And Michael says, when someone asked how are the Internet and politics related, Michael says, “Well, if politics is seen as a term to describe how a body of people govern themselves, and resolve apparent conflicts, then the Internet could be seen as a system of politics. In this case, as would be the case for an Old Soul world, Communication would be at the core of those politics, and the Intellect as economy.” So, I found that to be very fascinating. What do you think of this, as representative of potential that we’ve been working on this whole time? Cyprus: I never thought of that. Sandy: Me either. Cyprus: It’s very interesting. It seems to be accurate, I mean, it’s not far reaching. You don’t have to stretch, it’s right there. I just hadn’t thought of it. Troy: Yeah, and there’s so many people contributing freely, it is amazing how much you can get for free, legally for free, online, because of the resources that are available, and the tapped, freely given resources of the individuals participating. People love to give. They love to contribute. It’s so exciting, people are contributing videos, they’re contributing blogs, they’re contributing documentation, they’re contributing archives of reading material and references. I mean, there’s just everything there, at least on an intellectual level. And then of course that affects us in our daily lives, because we are able to use those as tools for change in our lives, if we choose to, or entertainment if we want to. It’s a beautiful reality, that we’ve had right there under our noses. Cyprus: Yeah, I definitely think that people are interested in sharing, especially if it is, you know when something’s not taken from you, when you’re allowed to offer it freely, there’s a really good feeling about that. And I think people do enjoy that, and benefit from it, both, from being the one who’s sharing. Not to mention, of course, the one who is able to use it. Do you know what I mean? Sandy: Yeah, I do, and I agree wholeheartedly. People are very much more willing to give something than they are to have it taken from them. Cyprus: Yeah. Or when you feel responsible for doing something, it’s different than saying, let me do that, or let me share this, or I’ve done this and I’d like you to see it. It’s more of a sharing, and that does really feel good, and the more you do that type of thing, the more that it expands your feeling. That just makes the entire world better, person by person. Troy: Well, Beryl, in the chat room, I think she’s asking a rhetorical question, but she’s saying, “Speaking of privacy, will the shift away from Young Souls end our celebrity worship? Get rid of the paparazzi?” And then Leslie responds, “Dream on.” Cyprus: No, People are too obsessed with that kind of stuff. Troy: Well, we can say that from this perspective, but what do you think it would be like? Would we really worship people who, on a level of, would we look at things from a perspective of status, in the future? In a world where we’re all sharing? Sandy: I don’t think it’s a matter so much of worship or status, but people are always gonna be curious. Cyprus: Also, what about appreciation? I mean because, for instance, someone who does something of a creative nature, you don’t have to worship a singer or performer, but you can appreciate someone so much, because what they do brings something to your life, so that appreciation can be interest, can be formulated into interest. If you saw Chris Garneau on TV, you’d be there watching, because you have an interest in it. Whether it was a paparazzi thing, or whether he was doing a show, because you have interest in him, you feel that his music brings something to your life, and adds to it. Troy; Well I think her question being more specifically about getting rid of paparazzi, I think it actually would, because the whole point of the competitive overwhelming paparazzi is for money. It’s for that currency. Instead we’d have people who do it well, and do it appropriately, in position, instead of people just taking it because it’s a competitive arena that they have to fight for the highest, or for the most money for the best photo. Cyprus: Well obviously, I wasn’t really thinking of it in the paparazzi aspect. Troy: Yeah, that’s why I was taking it towards that. But your theory is, I think, totally right. We won’t lose our fascination with our teachers and our healers and our entertainers. We’re not going to lose that, that’s a part of what makes the world amazing. Cyprus: Right, but maybe we would also be more of a respectful thing, you would have more compassion for the fact that they’re humans too. And treat them more like that, as opposed to some sort of caged animal that you want to poke at for your own entertainment. Troy: I think that the sensationalized aspect would probably die down, because we wouldn’t be so interested in that kind of exploitation. Like somebody, this is pure speculation, but I’m thinking somebody like Britney Spears would not even exist in a predominantly Mature Soul paradigm, because there would be intervention, there would be… it wouldn’t be a manufactured artist, and there wouldn’t be all these people competing for a field that was manufactured and created just for the attention and the money. So I think that the sensationalized aspect and exploitive aspect of celebrity would totally begin to die down. Cyprus: Yeah, it would be people who create for that reason, and not for the celebrity status. I mean, you can take anyone who is cute, and change their vocals, and dress them up, and tell them what to say, and do their hair, and make a star. Troy: Yeah, which is exactly what they do. If anybody has ever seen that footage where they actually took an individual who couldn’t sing, who was just pretty, and got a guy who churns out pop hits, like minute after minute, he can just make them up on the spot, and they turn them into hits, and got somebody who couldn’t play an instrument very well, and the software can completely transform voices, and put into key the singer and the instruments, and then they manufacture an identity and promote it. And now you have a pop star. It is so creepy. Sandy: And that’s not gonna change. Troy: I don’t think that would change right away, but I think that would change. Sandy: I don’t think it will ever change, because it’s entertainment, and people like to be entertained. And everybody doesn’t like the same thing. People who enjoy that are still going to enjoy it. Cyprus: But the difference would be, in a society where everyone brought what talents they have to the table, you would, if you weren’t a good singer than you wouldn’t be a singer. Sandy: Well yeah because the person who brings the talent to the table, the ability to make you look like a good singer, is gonna bring that talent to the table. And if there’s people that you appeal to, that’s not gonna change. Troy: Well, I think a level of honesty would become a part of our culture that’s not necessarily here currently. Sandy: In a lot of ways, but not in our entertainment. Cyprus: But those people can’t actually entertain. I mean, you can’t go see somebody like that person he was talking about where they, I saw that video where they completely transform that person, and made a pop hit. But you can’t go see that person perform, because they can’t. Sandy: That example is the one Troy’s using, but when he’s making this statement he’s talking about every pop star on commercial radio today. Troy: No, I’m not talking about that, I’m talking specifically about manufactured pop stars, not pop stars who are good at what they do and people like it, whether I like it or not, that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about the manufactured ones. The ones who actually can not sing live. Sandy: Ok, name one. Name one person who cannot sing live, who is very popular today, just give me an example of what you’re talking about. Troy: I’m not fans of them, so I can’t say. Cyprus: Sandy, I think he was bringing up something that we saw online, where they were showing what they can do. Nobody’s accusing anyone particularly of not… Troy: I can name one, let’s just go with Milli Vanilli. Sandy: They were found out, and it was ended. Their career ended as soon as they were found out. Troy: That’s my point though. That kind of thing has become a little bit more seamless, and image is what’s sold over quality of content. And I think that will shift. What was another group? I can’t remember who it was, I think it was CC Music Factory also had like a big, fat, black woman who sang the vocals, but they had a skinny, hot, big-boobed black chick do the videos, because they didn’t think that it would sell if there was a heavy black woman singing. And, I think one of the groups, I can’t remember which one it is, it’s a male singer, I can’t remember the group but I’m sure somebody listening knows, they also put a fake image up to represent the group, and meanwhile, it’s a big fat white guy singing. And they didn’t want to sell it, because they didn’t think it would sell. Eventually he came out, and he’s been selling just fine. So that’s the kind of thing I’m talking about, the discrepancy between what is being given, what is at the heart of the creativity versus what the packaging is. And I think people are going to prefer a more sincere, honest, creative contribution instead of these manufactured images. Cyprus: Right, because whether you like the music or not, there are plenty of people in all aspects of music, that can sing, and can perform, and have talent, whether you like their particular style is not really relevant, they have the ability to perform and they have the ability to sing. But I think what Troy is getting at, is the people who don’t, that it’s created, and that will be less appealing because it’s phony, and not real. Troy: I would love to have, as the show gets more, you know, now that we have a stable schedule, I would love callers to start calling in, and we have had no callers, so I am forced to use my caller transition tune with no callers. But if there were to be a caller right now, you would have been introduced with this lovely ditty. <music> Hi, welcome callers, we’d love to hear from you! I’m so glad you called! <music ends> Hi caller, what would you like to talk about today? Thank you for calling! I love that you called! Cyprus: Why were we forced to hear that? Troy: <laughing> Because! Because when people listen, they’ll be like, God, I would love to be introduced with that tune! Cyprus: I think they’ll be scared away. Sandy: I can’t believe that didn’t inspire somebody to call in right now. Especially Ann. Troy: Well now we’re almost out of time, but I want to go over a really important part of this whole show, which is, what can we do, as older souls, what can we do, I mean besides having conversations like this and really focusing on the Fear side of things, because it’s really important to realize that our Fear is not just to make us scared, it’s to inform us. Fear is a very vital and important part of our experience on the planet, and based on Michael’s information, it’s really helped a lot of people to realize that it’s not something to fight, it’s not something to ignore, it’s not something to get overwhelmed with, it’s something to use as a source of information. Because Fear, whether it’s warranted or not, it usually comes up as a sign that you feel a need to protect yourself. So paying attention to what you’re afraid of can help you to make better choices. Being conscious of your choices can help you make choices that are towards directions that you’d like to create, instead of hiding under fear. So, Fear is really important. I think that’s the really important thing to take away from this show, is that if you’re feeling overwhelmed, if you’re feeling fearful, if you’re feeling a little bit out of synch with what’s happening in politics, that’s ok. Pay attention to what you’re afraid of. See if there’s information in it. If there’s nothing useful in it, then give yourself a little bit of room to make some choices anyway. The other thing that Michael has talked about that we can do as older souls in this Mature soul, Young to Mature Soul world in the weeks and years ahead is something that doesn’t come natural to a lot of older souls, because we’ve been around the block, we’ve been through a lot of different governments, we’ve been through a lot of different economies, we’ve been through a lot of different Soul Age cultures, so we’re a little bit tired of it. We get like, ok, that’s been fun, we’re gonna leave it to the kids now. But we still are a part of this world and we should be able to participate in it if we want to. And the best way to do that, if you want to make the world a better place, Michael has said emphatically, you just DO something. And that’s the element that a lot of us leave out, is the doing part. We meditate, we pray, some people pray, we think positive thoughts, we send energy, we focus on potential, but we don’t always DO something. So, if you look around your community, or your home, or whatever, wherever you have any kind of power, any kind of influence, any kind of capability of contributing, and just pick a few things to DO, that you think contribute to a better world, that’s really all you can do. What do you guys think? Sandy: I don’t know who said it first, but be the change you want to see. Troy: Who said that? Sandy: I don’t remember. But it’s been out on the Internet everywhere. Cyprus: I think it’s a president. Troy: Oh, I’m gonna feel really ignorant if I don’t really know, but I thought it was, um, oh the black president from… Sandy: Oh, Nelson Mandela? Maybe so, I don’t know if he said it first or not. But the point is, it’s true. Troy: Yeah, it’s true. If you have an ideal in your head, if you have a direction you’d like the country to go, or the world to go, then you need to participate and bring that into the world. Not just in thoughts, not just in emotion, but in choices, in activities, in just doing one or two things that you think actually make a difference, whether it’s volunteering, or whether it’s just deciding to treat people better that day, or whether it’s changing your diet and your choices in a way that helps contribute to less of a burden on the planet… whatever it is, that’s all that you can really do is to DO it, follow through with it. Sandy: The chat room says that it was Ghandi who said it. Troy: Oh my god, I’m sorry. You’re right. That’s who it was. And I’m so glad we had Tom in the chat room to clarify that. Thanks Tom. Cyprus: And everyone should vote. Sandy: Absolutely. Troy: Make sure you get out there and vote, and I would love to say vote for your, you know, it doesn’t matter just vote, but from this show… Sandy: This time it really does matter. Vote Obama! Troy: Vote Obama! Sandy: And if you can’t do it, stay home. Troy: I can’t guarantee that it’s the best choice or the right choice, I don’t know in the long run. We don’t get predictions from Michael, and we don’t care to, because we think of the future as something that we all create on our own and together, so it’s, there’s no guarantee. But based on what we have as information now, it looks like Obama’s the way to go. And I think that that’s a good idea. Cyprus: You’re very very tactful about the whole thing. I say vote for the right person. Vote for Obama. Sandy: I second that emotion. Troy: There ya go. So, let’s wind up the show, and I want to thank you guys for being a part of it. Thanks a lot. We have a couple of minutes left and this was a really great return to the schedule, so we’re going to keep this up and I hope we have some participation from other people next time. Sandy: So are we back again in two weeks? One week? Troy: No, first Sunday next month. Cyprus: Ok, so we don’t get carried away. Troy: In 2009, if we can fit more on the schedule, we will, but otherwise these will be the first Sunday. The first Sunday will be the live ones. Thank you guys! I’m gonna wind up the show now, and I’ll talk to you guys later. Thank you for being a part of the show, and I just want you to know, the reason why you’re on here is because you two have been regularly praised inb emails, because they love hearing your perspective on things. They don’t care about me and my work, they always rave about Sandy and Cyprus, Sandy and Cyprus. So I’m glad you guys are part of it. Alright, I’ll talk to you guys later! 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