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  1. Below are some quotes and links I've collected to sessions on TLE with the topic of Depression: Are Pleasure, Pain, Happiness, Sadness etc. States of Mind, or are they Illusions? - March 2000: [nemo999] What are the most common states of mind? Pleasure, pain, depression, sadness, happiness, attention, boredom … are these states of mind or are they illusion? [Michael_Entity] This set of descriptions are only conveniences to describe whatever a person interprets as their reality in the moment. They are highly subjective and can refer to either illusions or what you have called ‘states of mind.’ They are all ‘real’ to a person experiencing. The definition of ‘illusion,’ or Maya as we prefer, is in the apparent indulgence in a ‘truth’ that is subjectively inappropriate for the fragment. There are some Maya that are shared collectively, some that are individual. Despite the fact that Personal Truth will render all of these experiences “real”, we will share a little of our perception. Depression from your list can be considered a collective ‘illusion,’ and one that is a deep indulgence in Maya, though very ‘real’ when inside of it. Depression is a resigned stance toward the life, an emotional suicide based on one or more of the Chief Features. This is not a judgment. When one is in Depression, we differentiate this from Grief. Depression is literally the consistent and insistent effort to reject the life. If Depression is being experienced, acknowledge that you are where you are in your experience, and ask for help. Depression is one of many Maya that creates a situation where intervention from outside forces is required. Pain from your list can be either Maya or “real”, but is always a symptom of resistance or friction, which we do not see as inherently good or bad, merely resistance to some Growth. Pleasure is always a symptom of higher awareness and connection to Essence. Sadness can be either, though if tears are involved, recognition of a truth on some level is occurring. If there are no tears, this is most likely a form of Depression. Boredom is always a symptom of Maya and is a literal self-lie to remove responsibility. When Boredom is indulged in, you are living in a space of time that was created from want of “having more time”, then when it arrives, you seek to fill it. This all happens because creation on the Physical Plane is denser and slower, therefore the space and time sought “shows up”, but sometimes out of synch with your faster moving mind. Making a note that Boredom is a sign of forgetting your original intentions can help make more of that time. It is not required, of course, that you continue with your original intentions, but release the judgments about EXPERIENCING the slowing of time and take a moment to stop. When we say this is a self-lie to remove responsibility, we mean this in terms of being able to respond, not in terms of discipline. The Nature and Origin of Depression, July 2001: [ClaireN] Would Michael please comment on the nature and origin of depression and any suggestions to overcome it? [Michael_Enitity] The nature of depression is in the insistence to resist the life force of that life, a resignation and emotional suicide. Its origins, of course, are in the Chief Feature of the individual. Depression is one of a few, but serious, experiences wherein the life is learning much about ASKING for help. There is no other solution for depression except in the asking for, acceptance of, and openness to help. Depression is usually the result of severe neglect from sources expected to be foundations for that fragment. In nearly all cases we have seen, there is a consistent belief that the fragment is utterly alone, which is linked directly to the removal of or lack of a profound source within that life. Depression is Grief without Truth. Grief is the healing of Truths realized, but depression is the lack of realizing those truths. Although herbal and synthetic substances can balance the chemical makeup of the brain to allow other thought processes, they are only temporary tools. The fragment must learn to reevaluate where in the life a true source can be counted on, namely the self, which can then be extended from there. This reevaluation requires outside support, though, and it is not a weakness to allow strong compassion and empathy to come into the life when depressed. We will clarify “source” here as meaning anything that fragment has labeled consciously or unconsciously as being an archetypal, literal, or symbolic Mother or Father. Though this topic can be delved into far more, this is a relevant and appropriate response for now. From Michael Speaks, April 2004 [mdfsage] What can we do for folks who are caught up in depression, physical pain, pulling back during this period? [Michael_Entity] Depression is inwardly-directed anger. It is a lack of self-permission to feel or express that anger, and the anger is usually rooted in a lack of permission to experience a basic Right. During the next month or so, it may be a healthy opportunity to gently encourage steps toward some basic Rights one might have deemed “wrong” to pursue or allow. In terms of physical pain, this would require a more specific look at the individual. For people who may be linking depression, physical pain, and “pulling back”, all together during this time, it can be most helpful to ask the individual what he/she wants/needs. This may not be an easy question to answer. It may be of help for you to keep in mind the 7 Basic Rights of any Sentient Being. If you can help bring the experience of that Right to a person who has resisted it, then healing can be profound and quick. Troy will include the details in your transcript. The 7 Basic Rights Tending To Your 7 Basic Rights Depression versus Joy, Nov 2007 [AnnH] According to Abraham, it’s difficult for us to go from depression to joy in one step. It’s said that moving up the emotional scale is more beneficial. Can Michael add to this? [AnnH] More beneficial as in truthful, helpful, fewer expectations. [Michael Entity] We would agree with what has come through the source known as “Abraham.” We have rarely seen evolution occur in “one step,” but have seen all forms of growth or healing as being in steps as part of a process. What we can do to add to what you have already found as beneficial is to describe our observation of the process for movement from the state of depression to the state of joy, but we would caution that it is not a linear process with a conclusive state, but the progress from depression to joy is a natural cycle of experience while having a body and reaching joy does not mean one is then exempt from the troubles of depression. It is not necessary to avoid or “heal” depression, nor is it necessary to seek only a state of Joy. What will tend to bring a wholeness to the life is the awareness of who “you” are even as you experience those fluctuating feelings. Depression is merely an attachment to one state of feeling and identifying entirely with it, rather than differentiating oneself from the experience of that state. This would be true of joy, too. Joy is a PART of life, not the goal of life. Depression is a PART of life, not a condemnation. In light of that, our process would be one that describes a process of detachment and a broadening of consciousness, rather than that of a healing or escape from a state of feeling. We will describe this in the final transcript, but the time allotted now does not allow for that. [NOTE FROM TROY: this will come soon, but I have to work on it. It should be done soon!] Anxiety and Depression, March 2014 [Larissa] Anxiety seems to be a growing struggle for many these days. I understand that anxiety relates to fears/focus on the future while depression is a focus on the past. For a person who has difficulty identifying that they are in fact competent and understanding ‘why’ they feel overwhelmed/anxious/fearful, what tools can we use for ourselves or to assist a person in uncovering contributors to anxiety and help to shift our/their anxiety from a negative and debilitating concern to one that can be more easily understood and navigated, and eventually leads to our/their “recovery” (for lack of a better word), neutrality, or and/or healing? Any additional insight you can share on the topic is welcome and appreciated. MEntity: First, we will say that Depression can also be about the future, but is a more resigned position from that of anxiety. Anxiety would like to regain control, while Depression may have resigned that there is no control. In both cases, an underlying issue is the same: one cannot find themselves in any position of beneficial influence in their internal stories, images, possibilities, etc. The conditions you describe could be more of a syndrome than a mood, so it is also important for us to note here that a response from us in broader terms may not be able to address the mix of issues that contribute to one's anxiety or depression. In general, the healing measures that can help would begin with a return to some semblence of control. Since both Anxiety and Depression are about helplessness, it can be beneficial to direct the attention toward some area in which that person can rekindle his or her sense of control. Often that redirection of attention can be in the most surprising of ways that then cascades a return to confidence across the spectrum. For example, arranging a bouquet of flowers in a vase. This may seem useless, but that focus on such beauty and how one can enhance it with some nurturing moves, can be quite healing. Or an effort to smile. This can seem useless, as well, but making the concerted effort to smile, and then holding that for 30 seconds, can help ignite the sense of levity and energy that would be useful for dealing with the anxiety or depression. So, as a general response, we can only suggest here that ANY return of participation in ANY action that brings a sense of contribution and control is useful here. We would suggest not dismissing even the silliest or most "useless" of efforts. These add up. Add 5 of these little events to the day of one who is depressed or anxious, and it can turn around that day. Other suggestions: petting of animals; playing with children; repairing something minor; singing the "abc song;" counting; making time to sit under a tree; etc. Other links: Depression is another form of anger..... MMW - Post Turning Point Empowerment, Oct 2016 Anxiety, Depression and Healing Dreams, December 2014 (Maureen) My Wounding, March 2017 (DanielaS) Fear of Seccess, Depression and Honouring Your Trust, Apil 2018 (SharvariJ) Jeroen's session from May 2018 has for instance some info on the difference between grief and depression Private session, Nov 2019 (Christian) My Depression, Sept 2021 (Tincha)
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  3. [Excerpt from MMW: The Health of Your Moving Center] [MEntity] If you think of the Polarities of the Center as the "skin" of the Center where one Pole or the other comes to the surface, and your state of relationship to the Body and your levels of Self-confidence as the blood, then the very deepest core of your Moving Center issues would be your PRIMARY SHAME. The bones. Where you are in your dance with Shame affect everything "above" that. Everyone has access to each Primary Shame, but the Primary Body Type tends to be the key to one's Primary Shame. LUNAR - Intelligence - the shame of not being smart enough JOVIAL - Indulgences - the shame of giving in to the pleasures of life and the body MARTIAL - Demand - the shame of requiring more than what is obvious or offered SOLAR - Needs - the shame of needing more than one will admit or ask for MERCURIAL - Desperations - the shame of expressing what is important for your healing SATURNIAN - Talents - the shame of not being important or unique enough VENUSIAN - Appearances - the shame of not looking or being as you are expected, or expect, to look Matching your Primary Body Type to your Primary Shame can shed light on some of the deepest wounding that you may carry that alters the quality of function for the Moving Center. If you do not find this at the deepest core of you, it means you have worked hard on this and have transformed it, or you are not looking deeply enough. If you have worked hard on this, you probably recognize it. These are universal obstacles built into the Body Types. They are what might best be understood as unique "pockets" in the Body Type that collect experiences quite specific to that Body Type and there comes a point in the life where that pocket gets heavy, and/or must be sorted through and emptied. [Excerpt from Michael Speaks: Advanced Body Types] [MEntity] In addition to a Primary Shame, each Body Type has a Primary Joy or Primary Delight. This Primary Joy tends to be dynamically tied to the Shame so that if the Joy is blocked or not pursued, the Shame takes over and eventually eclipses all efforts toward Primary Joy. The Body will tend to lock into the Shame as a way to earn or seek Joy, but Shame will always mute Joy. PRIMARY JOY OF BODY TYPES: LUNAR - USEFULNESS JOVIAL - SPECIALIZATION MARTIAL - SEX SOLAR - WANDERLUST MERCURIAL - DEBATE SATURN - IMPLEMENTATION VENUS - AFFECTION
  4. April 3, 2005 Troy Tolley, Channel Michael Speaks – Open Floor [M Entity] Hello to all of you. We are here. You may begin your queue for questions, though we are aware that “tibtyc” will go first. So you may begin, “tibtyc.” [Tibtyc] Greetings. I read in Messages from Michael: “There is only growth, often difficult, mostly painful because so few of you are willing to learn through joy.” How can we better learn through joy? And how can we learn to like joy, prefer it to pain? That is my question. [M Entity] To learn to enjoy… JOY does often require a sort of self-brainwashing, or more specifically, an override of the programming from which you currently run. Many of you are raised in cultures that “reward” struggle, ‘hard work’, suffering, victimization, etc. There is a great amount of teaching and imprinting handed down that equates all good things as being frivolous and even, ironically, BAD. Those who struggle through poverty or pain are more likely to be lifted to a kind of honor that has an unquestioned integrity and position. Those who are enjoying life then have the unsavory position of being guilted, or held responsible for taking more than their share from the common. Prosperity, which we define as having a sense of fulfillment throughout your Centers by your own standards, is daunting, particularly for older souls, because of the imprinting and distraction of guilt. [Tibtyc] Like, Beethoven suffered more than Mozart, thus was a better composer? [M Entity] It could be said (and has been said), yes. There are also fears within the Older Soul that having a certain amount of Prosperity will segregate you from what you have come to know as comfortable and familiar. In other words, if you find a healthy, loving relationship, then you will be segregated from those around you who do not. If you were to find an easy funnel of material security, it would then segregate you from those who have not. [Tibtyc] But it seems that for many of us learning through suffering is more FUN than joy. [M Entity] It could be described as “fun,” but that would be a misnomer. It is not genuinely “fun” for the Personality; it is painful. It could be said that the value gained on the other side of that pain, though, may be interpreted as “worth it.” There are many ways a fragment can begin to learn through Joy, Prosperity, Pleasure instead of Suffering, Loss, and Pain. We will describe two of the more popular ways now: The most direct means of overriding the programming from your culture is through using that programming “against itself,” so to speak. Instead of thinking of your Joy as being something to TAKE or GET from life, it is suggested that you RECEIVE or CREATE it. In other words: you may passively invite the joy, and genuinely acknowledge that joy when it is present. You may actively create that joy, as well, with the intentions of sharing it with at least one other person in some way, so as to divert guilt. The key is in the consciousness used to experience those moments of Joy, whether that Joy is passively attracted or actively created. [Tibtyc] Sounds like self-remembering. [M Entity] If you choose to passively allow it, then it may do you some good to create what has come to be called a Gratitude Journal. Without forcing yourself, write down at least 3 things a day that you have genuinely felt grateful for having experienced. If you were to do this for one week, you may find a great amount of Joy being more easily extracted through your experiences. If you were to do this for one month, it would be easy to transform yourself into having the ability to grasp joy from even the worst of scenarios. [Tibtyc] Grasp joy – but is that learning? [M Entity] If you are creating Joy, you can do so on a small scale, first: invite a friend to the movies, to coffee, for a walk. Take yourself to the movies, for a coffee, for a walk. In those instances, simply acknowledge that you are in some way allowing your Joy to emanate out and about, affecting the world in a positive way, rather than in a defensive way. In response to Tibtyc: We would certainly consider the act of grasping joy as having been a great learning experience. [faldec] not to mention it feels good [M Entity] Do you really believe that you must be pummeled in a classroom in order to learn math? Do you really believe you must be falling from a cliff as your only means to enjoy nature? Do you really believe you must be assaulted as your only means to learn about Love? [Tibtyc] A part of me does. [M Entity] We would easily state with great validity that many have learned to enjoy mathematics without an eraser to the head; that many have learned to enjoy nature without bodily impact; that many have learned to enjoy Love without bruises. The other method of learning to enjoy JOY is really only an extension of the first suggestion: CHOOSE IT. By this we mean that you ALWAYS HAVE A CHOICE, WITHOUT EXCEPTION. You can extract many dimensions from a single experience, and it can always be your choice to find/allow the JOY. This is why it is easier to remain with less Joy, because your design allows you to extract even the minutest elements of Joy from the worst of scenarios. That ability can be seductive. [Tibtyc] Like enjoying bad things? [M Entity] Many of you KNOW you can extract the Joy from the worst, so you settle for a certain level of existence, because you can romanticize it later. In response to Tibtyc: It is not that you enjoy “bad things,” but rather that you know you can extract the joy from it, if necessary. Most of the time, that extraction is more a means of healing, than a means of True Joy. True Joy is CHOSEN, CREATED, or ALLOWED. If you find you are extracting Joy from a scenario or experience, then you may do so, but CHOOSE AGAIN, CREATE AGAIN, or INVITE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. We are not saying, nor are we implying, that you can move through the physical plane without scathing, but we do say that pain, suffering, and loss are not the only forms of learning. They are CHOICES. This is not to say that you deliberately CHOOSE Pain, Loss, Suffering, but if you find yourself experiencing these states, each always presents an opportunity to choose again. If you find you are overwhelmed and feel that no choice can alleviate that feeling, then choose something especially loving for yourself, such as waiting, seeking help, calling a friend, watching/listening to something inspirational. Anything that will allow you to step back for a moment, gain some clarity, and then choose again. It is not merely poetic that we say, “You are here to learn how to choose, and to choose how to learn.” It is the truth. [Carrot Wax 1] In David Hawkins’ book, “Power vs. Force”, he described a scale of consciousness and energy manifestation from 1 to 1000. This goes from absolute Shame (20) to Unconditional Love (540) to Enlightenment (600) to Infinite Soul (1000). How accurate is this and how does this relate to manifestation, soul age, and conscious connection to essence? [M Entity] This system of measurement is different from our system in the same way that Astrology or Tarot is different from our system. They cannot be accurately correlated, even if there are some parallels. It appears to be a valid system of measurement, though subjective and local (not Universal). It could not be used outside of your species, for instance. It would have difficulty translating into our system as we could easily see a Final Level Old Soul (technically speaking) still experiencing Shame, and we do not subscribe to the general concept of “Enlightenment.” [Tibtyc] What's wrong with it? [M Entity] Nothing. We did not say there was anything wrong with it. The general concept of Enlightenment is seen as a conclusive state. We have yet to see a conclusion to the experience of growth; therefore, “Enlightenment” is subjective and is more accurately understood contextually and as a transition, perhaps. [Carrot Wax 1] I guess I interpret Enlightenment from that scale as “Non-dualism.” [M Entity] This is why we do not subscribe to the notion, as it is quite subjective and contextual, though valid in describing a particular transition or realization, yes. [faldec] What is the significance, if any, of the bodies excavated at site 117 in Jebel Sahaba in Upper Egypt? It seems an unusual burial site for Egyptians because of the fact the bodies appeared to be buried with wounds and the weapons still in the bodies. [M Entity] The significance will be relative and subject to interpretation, but the reality of a prehistoric “holocaust” would be valid. This appears to be the result of a growing division among local communities over the use of foods and the level of responsibility required of each other to provide for all vs. the hoarding for the stronger, more privileged. Surprisingly, it was those who stood for the equality of all who were able to slaughter those who would otherwise leave those less-able without foods. [faldec] like the people vs. the aristocracy? [M Entity] The social tiers were not as defined as “aristocracy vs. the people,” but more defined as the “Strong and Useful” vs. the “Weak and Useless.” The concept of caring for those weaker than the independent was not looked upon as practical. [H2OSprtlvr] Can a fragment, in one given lifetime, gain a soul age level and if a fragment feels they have mastered or accomplished one goal (say like growth) could they work on another goal in one given lifetime? Like change their Overleaves perhaps? [M Entity] Fragments do change soul ages and levels within a single lifetime, though it is rare. It is not as uncommon among Older Souls, however. In many cases those transitional lifetimes are experienced, literally, as two lifetimes in one incarnation. When a Soul Age or Soul Level shifts within a lifetime, it is rare that the Overleaves will change, but in the rare instance that one would choose to do so, it would take a minimum of 7 years for the new design to be implemented. [H2OSprtlvr] like shifting from a goal of growth to a goal of acceptance? [M Entity] For a fragment to change Overleaves in any situation, a great trauma is usually the only way in which to do so. [faldec] like a coma? M Entity: The body must literally close down and change its structure on levels on and below the levels known as DNA. A coma is a common means of shifting Overleaves and shifting Essences. [H2OSprtlvr] you can’t just make a CHOICE to change your goal or Overleaves? [Tibtyc] Essences? Like a walk.in? [M Entity] Overleaves are biological. They can no more easily be replaced by a simple choice than can a limb or eye color. A fragment may superimpose or USE a different Overleaf as a means to accommodate a short term agenda, but that is no more a change in Overleaves than the dying of your hair or false contact lenses. Yes, tibtyc, in response to your question: as in Walk-ins. It could be said that one is then limited if one cannot simply CHOOSE to change his Overleaves, but that is simply not the case. You already chose your Overleaves in the same way that you chose your body and genetic code. You chose your Overleaves in the same way that you chose Earth. Choices exist on many levels, extending between the levels of Essence and Personality. [H2OSprtlvr] well…that’s where validation of my Overleaves is tricky… I see myself in one goal for awhile and then it appears I have another goal for awhile and so it leaves me confused. [M Entity] We remind you that your GOAL is not something that describes your character, but rather as to where your character is drawn and to where it funnels its experiences, ultimately. In many instances, it is actually describing what your character IS NOT; hence its being a GOAL. [H2OSprtlvr] I get that [H2OSprtlvr] that makes it clearer for me… thank you [M Entity] We can help you determine the validity of your Goal. There are definitive factors that would help with this. It may also be of interest to you that each individual has 3 facets of Overleaves, many times not matching one another. Beyond the True Overleaves, which are on record in the Akashic Plane, there are also those Overleaves of which you EXPECT of yourself, as well as those describing what others expect OF you. This is where many channeling discrepancies come into play if the channel is not using our access to the Akashic Records. [slacnj] My question if you can answer it with a short answer is: When what you want involves another person making a choice how can you learn to either manifest that together or allow what you want into your life some other way? [M Entity] The first choice to make above all choices in this instance is to choose to trust, honor, and allow the choice of another, even if it does not comply with your own. If you are in a position, for instance, in which a boss’s choice will or won’t create a path for your career, you still have a choice. You can choose to quit, find another route within the company; requesting specific parameters in which your efforts can be unquestionably worthy of progress, etc. If you cannot move beyond a blockage created by another person, you can only make choices around, through, under, beyond that point in the same way that you would navigate any obstacle. We CAN say, however, that learning to shift your OWN energy many times resonates out of another person the very thing you wish to have as support for your choices. There are many versions of one person in your space. You are not limited to experiencing only the personality that chooses to block you, or whose choices block you. There are multitudes of versions of any fragment and a shift in your own perspective, energy, and actions can literally shift the energetic identity of another individual to a version more willing to help. They are not replaced, but rather the potential within that person to support your choice then has the option of manifesting. Most of your obstacles seen as other people are only obstacles as reflective of obstacles within. Clear the internal philosophies supporting those obstacles and you naturally clear the external reflection of those obstacles. [H2OSprtlvr] in other words… changing your attitude would change the outcome sometimes? [M Entity] Sometimes one of the fastest and easiest ways to create harmony between yourself and another is to seek out what the other fragment NEEDS. Of course, we are speaking only in terms of obstacles, not in terms of hurtful interferences to your own choices. You may interpret people around you in terms of how they express their Sub-Personalities. A single fragment can be a “different” person to several different people’s experiences. An internal shift of your own can invite an internal shift in another. In other words, the Sub-Personality in you that deals with Obstacles might gently invite the Sub-Personality in who takes care of creating Harmony. It could be said beyond all of this that there are at least 12 different approaches to changing a dynamic with another person so that your choices are in harmony. Studying the definitions of the 12 Support Positions would give you the methods in which you could improve your ability to generate harmony as you relate to others who may be obstacles. Good Night to all of you. We will conclude here.
  5. Juni

    I worried

    I Worried by Mary Oliver I worried a lot. Will the garden grow, will the rivers flow in the right direction, will the earth turn as it was taught, and if not how shall I correct it? Was I right, was I wrong, will I be forgiven, can I do better? Will I ever be able to sing, even the sparrows can do it and I am, well, hopeless. Is my eyesight fading or am I just imagining it, am I going to get rheumatism, lockjaw, dementia? Finally I saw that worrying had come to nothing. And gave it up. And took my old body and went out into the morning, and sang. http://lakesidemusing.blogspot.com/2011/04/i-worried-by-mary-oliver.html
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