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The Myers-Briggs -personality test is quite popular nowadays. Many psychologists consider it as non-scientific and prefer the Big Five instead, but I do see that the Big Five has a lot in common with MBTI. This personality theory was originally developed by Carl Jung who invented the terms "introvert" and "extrovert" and who speculated that humans experience the world using four principal psychological functions – sensation, intuition, feeling, and thinking – and that one of these four functions is dominant for a person most of the time. Isabella Myers and Catherine Briggs then developed these ideas further. Anyway, in MBTI you tend to prefer one of the following functions: Extroversion vs Introversion (E/I) Sensing vs Intuition (S/N) Thinking vs Feeling (T/F) Judging vs Perceiving (J/P) Extroverts tend to be the social animals and they are energized by the outer world, where introverts turn inside and after socializing need a lot of time to charge their batteries. Sensors are practical, factual - believe it only if I see it types, where intuitive types are big picture oriented, see possibilities and look to the future. Sensors depend on their five senses but the intuitives also use the sixth sense. Thinkers prefer using logic, and keep themselves objective. Feelers are value, harmony and compassion -oriented. According to various studies, there is a clear gender-difference in these ones: 65% of men prefer thinking and 60% women prefer feeling. Judgers tend to be planned and well organized, punctual people who like structure in their lives. Perceivers are more spontaneous, flexible and tend to go with the flow. All these are preferences, so even those who prefer thinking, may also have feelings. Or a feeler can use logic if necessary. Introverts can have a conversation in a social situation, (unless they have developed a social phobia). These functions are combined to personality types, such as ESTJ, ESFP, INFP etc. In general population (USA) all the other functions are close to equal, except the gender difference in T/F and Sensing vs Intuition, where there's a 75%/25% ratio, Sensing being more common. In the 1960's, extroverts were more commonly found than introverts, but nowadays, this difference seems to be gone. A certain function within a personality type can also be considered dominant, like N in INFJ. This lengthy introduction actually have a link to Michael Teachings and other metaphysical stuff as well. I'm in a facebook-group in which people think that they are old souls. The concept has been adopted from the Michael Teachings and there is a description what kind of people old souls tend to be. Personally, I don't care about their (or my) soul age, but it is just nice to hang around with like-minded people. The main focus is in spirituality and spiritual growth. Essence role or overleaves have not been discussed in the group, except with those who are familiar with the Michael Teachings. Not very many are. This group is big and same questions are often recycled. MBTI-personality types have been among the most popular and most often asked questions. Hundreds, perhaps even thousands of people have told their MBTI-type. It turned out, that approximately 70-75% of all the respondents told that they type was INFP, INFJ, INTJ or INTP. 20% belonged to the other intuitive, extrovert types. The sensors - 75% or the population - are almost nonexistent in the group. The same pattern is seen also in the astrological groups, where I also spend a lot of time. Perhaps the intuitive, thinking types are a bit more common than feeling types, since there's a lot of maths in astrology. The internet itself seems to attract a lot of introverted, intuitive types, where they have more chances to express themselves more thoroughly than in fast-paced real-life-situations. If you are familiar with the MBTI, have you found any correlation with that system and the Michael Teachings? And is intuition and introversion really a sign of maturation of the soul?
MEntity: Hello to all of you. We are here. QUESTION: I would like to ask for the overleaves for the musician/performer/writer Gil Silverbird. He is also clairvoyant or channeling, I think, and if convenient maybe you could tell if he is channeling his higher self or something else. MEntity: The fragment now known as "Gil" appears to us to be an Early Old Sage-cast Priest with an Artisan Essence Twin and a Goal of Growth; a Spiritualist in the Moving Part of the Emotional Center with Passion Mode and Chief Negative Features of Arrogance and Impatience from Cadre 1, Entity 5. When this fragment is "channeling," he appears to be working with a group of astral fragments who have strong agreements with him to revitalize discarded or seemingly-outdated contexts, perceptions, and modes of expression. The Essence Twin has a strong influence through this fragment. This is a lively bunch of creative fragments who seem to truly enjoy this lifetime being lived by the Priest and all of its adventures. Despite the spiritual bent of this fragment's work, there is a general "party" or celebratory atmosphere of joy that we believe might shine in the life of this fragment due to this strong astral network. QUESTION: My question relates to the energy report: is there any easy way to recognize the difference in the "careening" discussed there, and random physical plane happenstance? MEntity: The "careening" we discussed in our report is not based in any randomness, but in a deep openness within the fragment to be exposed to alternatives and directions that are not consciously anticipated. This "careening," then, is Essence-driven. This "careening" is simply the result of your figuratively holding open your arms and asking, "okay, what have I missed?" When the sense of careening happens, it can feel disturbing and disruptive, but most of you would be able to perceive rather quickly that the experience is one that is "better for you" than if it had not happened. Even if the sense of its being "better for you" is not obvious, then we could say that the resources and skills that one has at one's disposal are aplenty for MAKING the experience better for you than might have been otherwise. True "random physical plane happenstances" are rare, but from the Personality's perspective, they can seem rather common since this is a matter of relative perception. When an experience seems random and happenstance, it is usually only a matter of effort that can turn that randomness and happenstance into the same thing we've described as the careening effect of this month. We will explain why we say that randomness is rare: we say this only because Personality almost always builds into its navigation of the life the "room" for such surprises, redirections, and "randomness," which allows for the palette of choice to remain alive, organic, and dynamic. So while it looks random and surprising and happenstance, it is often just the result of Personality making room for Essence's anticipations. This influence and anticipation from Essence is INVITED, not imposed. There is a tension built into the lives of many by the Personality assuming it knows plenty enough to navigate the life without Essence, but craving guidance and help. When anyone has ever "looked up" and asked "WHY" or muttered to himself a cry for help from somewhere beyond himself, he has invited Essence to participate in the life. This influence from Essence (and other guides) can often show up in bursts, "randomness," or any other method to break an unwanted pattern that has been enforced by Personality. In other words, it is often true that the only help, guidance, or support that can "get through" to a Personality who has entrenched himself/herself into the life is to "throw a wrench into the works" and this can look awful, disruptive, surprising, devastating, catastrophic; it is one of the ways to bring about a new awareness, break in pattern, and clear a channel for true help. We do not say that there is NO randomness and happenstance in the universe. We do not say that, nor do we imply it, but we do say that it is rare when looking at it from the whole perspective of a life that involves the co-creativity of the Personality and Essence. In fact, it would be "safe to say" that any disruptive event in the life can be interpreted as an opportunity to co-create with Essence and that the disruption is a result of asking for help and guidance at some point in the life. It is not uncommon to hear rave reviews about a community's coming together during times of catastrophe that would never have happened, otherwise. This is the same case on an individual basis. Often the only time you will help yourself, your life, and your loved ones is when a "wrench" has been thrown into the works. We mentioned the emphasis of careening during August because it is an opportunity to experience this to a conscious degree in a way that would allow for many of you to alleviate this feeling of "random" redirection from your life. While the overall effects of this careening or "randomness" can eventually be seen as "good," it is still "not fun" for many of you. Many fragments become dependent on this method of careening and random awareness, much like the snooze on an alarm clock that you, yourself, have set. Eventually you learn as a soul and Personality to "wake up" before the alarm. To answer your question more specifically: it can be difficult to differentiate between those events that Essence has anticipated and what Essence did not anticipate (true randomness). But when Essence did not anticipate an event or circumstance, the experience can often, in retrospect, be remembered as having been processed on a kind of auto-pilot as you profoundly turn over the life to Essence for navigation. When one can look back at an event and say, "I really don't know how I survived that," it was most likely an unanticipated event that Personality then turned over to Essence for navigation and we are not speaking of looking back and not giving oneself credit for having participated in the navigation. Most of you will be able to sense the difference. QUESTION: So the life is pre-planned? I thought most of the learning in life was based on how we respond to random events. MEntity: The life does have a general plan, but only in the same way that one might plan a vacation, or plan the building of a house, which requires constant choice, creativity, and awareness during the implementation of those plans so that one can alter them, stick to them, or replace them. One can plan a vacation and the building of a house, but not have anticipated the raging storm that might arise during those plans. To the Personality this storm can seem to have been random, but to Essence the storm was seen brewing long before Personality gained awareness of it and is therefore not truly random. We define "random" here as no level of your Being having had the chance to anticipate the impact of an anticipated event. As long as Essence can anticipate probabilities for a Personality, then nothing is truly random in the life, but this does not mean it was pre-planned. True randomness is rare because when one plans a life, for instance, one KNOWS that there is built into the fabric of the life the potential for storms. All of the features and natures of the Physical Plane are duly noted. The analogy above and our response might have shed some light on your question. QUESTION: My questions are referencing education with regards to instruction geared to best meet the needs of students based on their overleaves or role in essence. Obviously, I, as a teacher, cannot explicitly use the overleaf system as a basis for instruction, but I have found that there are similarities between Michael's overleaf system and Dr. David Keirsey's temperament theory (which has its roots in the Myers-Briggs and Jung archetype systems). It seems that there are parallels between Keirsey's Temperament Types: Artisan, Guardian, Idealist, and Rational to Michael's polarities within the overleaves: Expression, Action, Inspiration and Neutral axes respectively. My questions are: Are these parallels valid and if so, do these parallels correlate to specific overleaf types, such as, but not limited to, goals or modes for example? Would it be helpful for students to learn according to these temperament types (while all the while keeping in mind these parallels to Michael's system)? In short I am looking for an effective method to differentiate my instruction to meet the diverse needs of my students in a way that accounts for their innate differences. MEntity: There are parallels among all valid Personality interpretations. Though the parallels may not be exact, one can use each to complement or "flesh out" the other. There is a way that we can correlate the Essence and Overleaves system to Keirsey's Temperament Types and we have done so. We will include this for the final transcript as it is an extensive exploration. (NOTE FROM TROY: I will be posting a separate article regarding this) Yes, it would be tremendously helpful for students to learn according to "temperament type" or Role and Overleaves. While there is no official system of analysis in place for our teaching to help you with your differentiation, you can either invite this analysis through open dialog with your students and offering simple or complex testing (which we can provide for you), or you can use your sense of observation to intuit the dominant inclination of a student. If one is to use the method of intuition, then one would determine which aspect of our Overleaves system feels most relevant, personal, and comprehended, and then interpret the students through that observation. If a teacher chooses to interpret students through Personality traits, we can say that comprehending the Attitudes can bring about the most effective means for helping a student to learn, since a classroom will tend to bring to the "front" of a Personality the Attitude, or the dominant philosophy of the student. If the classroom is intimate (7 or less), then the Mode would be the most meaningful method for helping a student to learn. Understanding the Role and Casting are the most deeply effective, but if one is to use observation and intuition during this transition in educational systems, then one might be dependent on Personality Traits for how to help a student to learn. Keirsey, Jung, and Myers-Briggs are Personality-based and quite effective in helping to direct a student to more relevant methods of learning, but we are the only teaching we know of that accounts for the soul as being a vital part of the learning process and classroom. QUESTION: Based on my studies I would agree with that...which is why I am looking for a method to make the overleaf system more "digestible" to the "public" via incorporating it with the Keirsey system. MEntity: Each of those systems has an elaborate means for a student to self-analyze and we find each to be valid and meaningful. We are working with a few of our channels to provide the same methods for self-analysis, but while we have shared the basics of our teaching, we now work with our channels to help bring these basics up from the simple, stereotypes to the dynamic and alive definitions that we can now share. Until the stereotypes have been reduced, we cannot provide an effective self-analysis method. We are working on this, as it is part of our overall point of teaching in the first place. We will keep you close to that process, if you choose to be. We see no other questions in the queue. Good day to each of you. We will conclude here. Goodbye.
Janet posted a topic in 1999 Michael SpeaksMarch 4, 1999 Troy Tolley, Channel Dreams and Symbols 1 of 3 [Michael_Entity] Hello everyone. We are here. We'll start off with the weather forecast as usual and comment on your shared exploration of symbols on your discussion lists today. We had mentioned in our last couple of interactions that some of you were looking to ANIMALS as symbols for where you were heading in your exploration of probable futures. It is clear that many of you partaking in the discussions today on your lists will be moving further into your EXTERNAL worlds and lending your presence to actions required there. The symbolism in your debate and exchange over where animals stand in terms of rights was obviously not the level of discussion occurring for yourselves internally, with your own Essences, but rather gauging where you individually stand with how much you are willing to give OUTWARDLY this year. Your debate was symbolic. It is a difficult and enticing potential decision to be making yourselves available for outward interaction when you have mostly, for the past couple of years, (and some of you for the past four or five years), have been INWARDLY healing and improving. This period of time where your symbols showed up and where your reactions stood individually, brings up some very personal and deeply touched issues that have “just” been “healed” to a degree. What we mean by this is that any of you interacting with ANIMALS as symbols over the past few weeks, where animals were in dreams, or as in today's exchange in heated discussion, essence has suggested through these symbols that you might be “ready” to “go back out there”. Many of you have been bored with your EXTERNAL worlds giving intensity and focused lessons in your INTERPERSONAL worlds. Though interpersonal relationships are far from being completed in terms of lessons, it is a period of time currently where many Older Souls are being called outwardly to be present in the world for more impact. We will say this: As the exploration of symbols comes to a close sometime into next week, we have seen those of you who have brought ANIMALS to the forefront of your symbolism each having some sort of Teacher/Student Agreements unfolding. We would suggest you trust your inclinations to “reach out” to those who ask. Finally, March 12 through 14 appear to be pivotal days for most you gathered here. This is the overall window for your finalizing your decisions on an Essence and Personality level for: 1. How available you will be, 2. In what capacity you will be available, 3. For what length of time you will be willing to take focus off of your personal lives. QUESTIONS? [k1] There are five us joining to gather on the internet to connect. Can you give us some advice on what the first focus might be? This is a regular committed group of students. [Michael_Entity] It appears to us that you have already decided that focus, which could be called “collective intuitive exposure”. Each of you are exposing to what capacity you are capable of intuitive EXPRESSION and RECEPTION, some of you will be receiving, while others EXPRESSING. Specifically we see 2 of you as expressing data that has been collected during your individual pursuits, while 3 of you are receiving, either through the 2 expressing or through their own heightened levels of development in your gatherings. TOPIC: Dreams & Symbols Dreams have become highlighted again, and usually are, during Parallel Shifts. This is one way with which to explore all of your options as ESSENCE and including Personality. When one enters into Dream State, it is almost always entered through the Instinctive Center. The Instinctive Center acts as a mediating ground for determining what is to be experienced while the body is resting. There are THREE levels or planes of Dreaming. Symbolic/Instinctive Astral/Lower Centers Out Of Body/Higher Centers Depending on the nature of the Waking State prior to sleeping, you will enter Instinctive Center, assimilate or evaluate your experiences, and move on to either Astral or Out Of Body. We will address the Symbolic Level first: It is easily determined when in the Symbolic level because there are simply SYMBOLS everywhere. This is the level where most find quite elaborate fantastical worlds and strange interactions and props. While in this level, simple concerns of the day or registered events not consciously noted are brought to light and processed, stored. This is also where all of your Sub personalities interact and exchange their perceptions of events. All of the symbols experienced here MEAN SOMETHING, but it is only through individual analysis that one can truly determine their meaning. We will note here that if one were to never discover the meanings of their internal symbols nothing would be lost except conscious interaction between inner and outer domains; it is certainly not NECESSARY to know the meanings of symbols in your dreams. Why we share this information with our Students is simply because many of you are in a place where “inner” and “outer” are closer together, therefore knowledge gained in one area means breakthrough on many levels. To move on: While in the Instinctive Center or Symbolic Level, depending on your particular Centering or Center “worked” that day, you will then move FROM the Symbolic through, for instance, the Emotional PART of the Instinctive Center. To elaborate then, the Instinctive Level or Symbolic Level would then have 7 “doors” through which to move. The most fantastical and indecipherable dreams are from the Instinctive PART of the Instinctive Center. You have remained in pure symbolism. This is helpful for processing experiences carried over from past lives, and certain parts of early life THIS lifetime. This is also the level with which many gain lucidity and claim Astral Projection, warning of dangers and fearful domains. This is due to the pure experience of Instinctive/Symbolic exploration while in a conscious state. Now the next level, the ASTRAL level, is where most of you go next. This is simply where you make your Agreements, learn from each other, play out Karma not requiring Physical presence, etc. The Astral Level is extremely fluid and still utilizes symbols (all levels do to a certain extent) and it is easily determined you have “been there” if upon rising you literally FEEL like you have “gone somewhere”. This is truly the realm of Essence. Where the Symbolic Level is about Personality and its Sub personalities, the ASTRAL is about Essence and its Personalities. We will move quickly to the next level, realizing again the constraints of your time. In rare designs of Personality and under certain conditions, Out Of Body experiences occur. This is able to occur since upon leaving the Symbolic, the consciousness moves through one of the Higher Centers. In this instance, literally, Essence AND Personality fuse and are able to sustain the Etheric Body in such a way as to remain within the Physical Plane without the constraints of a Physical reference. A fusion of energies rather rare within this time period of your species is experienced in this event. A more recent and not uncommon bridging of acceptance toward this level of dreaming is in Near Death Experiences. This is merely the scratched surface of this topic, but we will take questions now in regard to the topic. QUESTIONS. [M6] I dreamed I was with this chat group at a party in a beautiful and old apartment building. I felt I knew everyone and was excited to arrive. I had a specific task relating to a specific person. What level was this dream, and what did it signify about our relationships and work together? [Michael_Entity] Although we have not elaborated on the more specific levels, this would be, from our perspective, the Astral, of course, and Intellectual Substrate. The significance would be an angle with which you need to explore. This dream is incomplete in its exploration. We see this as a sequential dream. [Note from Otterly [aka Troy Tolley]: I hadn't heard of this before and will be getting more on it. We will be continuing this topic at the next meeting]. [El] I just wanted to ask how one can remember the astral work? [Michael_Entity] The dream experts are correct. Upon rising, a simple noting of certain memories from dreaming, even if vague, is the most effective route toward Conscious Recall. When looking over your notes it is also an extended exercise for the conscious waking self to fill in the gaps with imagined experiences. This means, if you can't remember what ACTUALLY occurred, it is not amiss to pull up creative ideas based on what you wrote, drawing still from your unconscious/dreaming self. Be creative. [Jn] I have some rather similar dreams where I am in familiar places (in dreams, not in physical) and met with familiar people. Are these dreams contacts from entity mates? Are we meeting for our entity task? BTW, what's my entity task? [Michael_Entity] Many of these contacts, in your case, as we see it are more than your Entity Mates, they are your Essence's manifestations through time; past life selves. You are in a lifetime where gathering knowledge from a multitude of similar selves across time is a regular resource for your present self. So this is more of an element of Essence Task not necessarily an Entity Task although they are linked. The Task of your Essence (or one of your Personal Life Tasks) then would be “gathering personal definitions of strength through recollected knowledge”. [Mn] To which level would you liken Jung’s archetypes of the collective unconscious? And can you say anything about following his methods of dream interpretation, or is it better to devise your own? [Michael_Entity] Archetypes are Waking State Symbols. We have not covered this yet here. Though they DO spring from the Astral Collective ideas (or Unconscious Collective), they are still an outward manifestation. We will cover waking state symbols in our next exchange, and the levels involved. As far as Jung's method of dream interpretation, we find it heavily flawed in that it negates the individual to a great degree. There were clues here to levels of information about Collective Unconscious/Astral Collective, but to apply it to dream ANALYSIS moves one in a direction where his theories are less workable. [a1] On what level does lucid dreaming occur? [Michael_Entity] ALL levels. It can occur on any level. Lucid Dreaming is an umbrella term. To be LUCID simply means you are conscious while on the level of dreaming being experienced. There are levels in which it is more difficult to attain this state, particularly the Instinctive PART of the Instinctive Center. Although, ironically, this is the first level to gain notoriety for lucidity due to its bizarre landscapes. [fg] I've had many dreaming experiences, some of which I thought were conscious out of body experiences. From what was said here they seem on the other hand to be rare. Last night I had such a dream. Have these dreams I'm speaking of not been conscious OOB? Is it a case of just being lucid astrally speaking? [Michael_Entity] You are correct. Lucid Astral Dreaming is most often mistaken for Out Of Body. We will say that Lucid Astral Dreaming seems to the be the popular chosen route as a “springboard” for OOBEs. The experiences on the Astral, while lucid, gives the Personality some stability in its preparation for completely disengaging from Body. It does require extremely heightened consciousness to sustain the Etheric body while moving through the Physical Plane, or heavily sustained injuries “knocking” the Etheric out of the body, Personality intact. Note we did not say you have not had an OOBE, in fact you have. It is through your studies and examinations of the minute differences between the ASTRAL and your OOBE that you will then be able to maintain an “open door” out of the body, if you wish. [s5] Bridging of Acceptance and death scapes, how are these two subjects intertwined? Where does one's own creativity intrude? [Michael_Entity] If you are referring to our information about Near Death Experiences being a bridge to acceptance of “natural” OOBE, this is simply because your species has chosen to take this route of exposure for this realm. Those sharing their experiences are in a position of influence on a “grass roots” level. Though many contributing to this phenomenon are Late Baby Souls, they are nonetheless contributing to the acceptability of “something” valid in terms of consciousness beyond the body. [s5] I am just trying to understand which is which? [Michael_Entity] S, ‘which is which’? [s5] What is created vs what is real? Or once created does it become real? [Michael_Entity] The reason for your confusion comes from the fact that there is no defining boundary. That is why a valid form of dream recollection is to “make up” the parts you do not remember upon waking. We will take another question, then complete the session. [ha] Back to the OOBE line; I had an unusual experience where I felt like I was lying on top of myself, what would this indicate—OOB or lucid dreaming? Or something other? [Michael_Entity] This is the beginning of OOBE. You are becoming lucid “too quickly”, drawing yourself “back into” the body. [ha] Yes, I totally understand. I'm of two minds about whether to go or not. [Michael_Entity] We will share more of the details of these levels of dreaming for Otterly [aka Troy Tolley] to put on his web site. We can continue in our next exchange. We will close the session now. Good night. ### end of session This topic continues in Michael Speaks -- Dreams and Symbols (Part 2 of 3)