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  1. OMW - Sep 4, 2010 - Your Turning Points Troy Tolley, Channel (Note: Two things stand out about this transcript: 1) it triggered huge responses from the participants; so, the questions aren't as well organized or integrated as some other transcripts -- I left it "as is" in order to keep the emotional tone; 2) this topic really integrates well with the more recent "Doing versus Being" workshop held in January, 2011. glb) MEntity: Hello to each of you. We are here. We have been asked today to speak about what Troy describes as a "Turning Point" that each fragment may, or may not, have within a lifetime. We will first define "Turning Point" as "the unequivocal, historical comprehension that a correction of course on a Physical, Emotional, Intellectual, and/or Spiritual Path is necessary and possible as a result of a particular, pivotal experience or choice." We will further define "correction of course" as meaning "a direction of active preference of path that includes improved health for one or more of the bodies, as opposed to a passive presumption of a path that is not nurturing for one or more of the bodies." A "Turning Point" usually shows up within a life when the original intention for the life is being cut short by the death of one or more of the bodies. And by "bodies," we do mean the Physical, Emotional, Intellectual, or Spiritual Bodies, or more accurately, "layers" of the Body. When one of these bodies nears death, and the original intention did not include that death or exit point, then a Turning Point is generated so as to give the entirety of the Body (all layers/bodies) a chance to recover and correct the course of the life. Usually that correction of course is drastic because it is in contrast to the momentum that was leading to death. Each "layer" or Body can experience death, even as the other layers continue beyond that death of one body. For instance, a fragment can experience the death of his or her Emotional Body while continuing Physically, Intellectually, Spiritually. Even when the Physical Body dies, one can continue to "live" through the Emotional, Intellectual, and Spiritual bodies, and this is most-often reported as a "haunting," of course. Regardless of their lack of tangibility, these bodies are ALL of the Physical Plane in terms of material as a medium for Essence. These materials are not yet understood entirely, but may best be understood by you as various densities, or frequencies, that make up the entirety of The Body. Your Body is made up of these densities, or frequencies, from densest to finest: Physical, Emotional, Intellectual, Spiritual, and these are "encased," so to speak, in the matrix that might be called the Etheric Body, which acts as a generator, bridge, and template. Each of these are subject to the scathing that is inherent of the Physical Plane, and thus can be harmed, injured, or die. However, as long as the Etheric Body/casing is intact, not only is the presence in the Physical Plane still intact, but so is the Personality, as the Personality is biological, or more accurately, it is a part of the Bodies. As we said before: a "turning point" is a potential result that comes from the near-death, or death, of one or more of the Bodies. [Geraldine] Please describe what the physical body looks like if any of the other three bodies die. MEntity: Therefore how to prevent a Turning Point becomes increasingly interesting to Essence as it grows older, since keeping all of the Bodies healthy also becomes increasingly interesting to the soul. One of the ways to prevent a Turning Point, ironically, is to CREATE a Turning Point. More accurately said, it is how to create one Consciously, as most Turning Points are created unconsciously. [Deb22] Is this not what I did — created a turning point — by taking that recent, extended trip to SE Asia. To the unknown, to being alive because my bodies — the emotional, intellectual and spiritual were nearing death? MEntity: Deb, we would agree. The difference between creating a Turning Point consciously vs unconsciously is profound in terms of catalysts, but equally as profound in terms of impact. It could be said, then, that the Positive Pole of a Turning Point is Transmutation and the Negative Pole is Desperation. One end is fueled by Choice whereas the other end is fueled by Survival. One end is created from conscious recognition whereas the other end is created from unconscious realization. For instance, they are the difference between stating, "something has GOT to change" vs "Oh my god, I almost died." [Deb22] What is hard is the next step. I have the momentum but it is of a different texture — stillness versus movement. It is exciting but scary. Any suggestions.? My turning point felt conscious — was it? MEntity: If you are interested in this workshop with us, you have probably stated at some point: "something has got to change." Or you have experienced a Turning Point already, and just want to understand that process. We will make time for personal questions in a more organized exchange coming up. As we mentioned before: a Turning Point comes from the near-death, or death, of one or more of the Bodies. When there is a death of the body, or layer, as long as there is a denser body alive, then the finer body can be "brought back to life." In other words, as long as the Physical Body is intact, then any "death" of any other body can be revived, revitalized. We will define "death" here as "having no active, functioning presence." There are, literally, those whose Emotional Bodies are dead in that regard. As are there some whose Intellectual or Spiritual Bodies are dead. It is not inaccurate then to say that a Turning Point is a Resurrection. Within context, there is validity to the concept of being "born again." Each Soul Age tends toward certain bodies having more trouble surviving the life than other bodies. [Karine] When resurrected, does the body that died come back exactly the same as it was, or is it different than it used to be? MEntity: Karine, it is transmutated. It is always in a higher form if it is resurrected; if the Turning Point is utilized. The Infant Souls tend to have trouble keeping any of the Bodies alive. Baby Souls have the hardest time keeping the Spiritual Body alive. Young Souls have the hardest time keeping the Intellectual Bodies alive. Mature Souls have the hardest time keeping the Emotional Bodies alive. And Old Souls have the hardest time keeping the Physical Bodies alive. Keep in mind that "alive" and "death" here are not entirely literal. For instance, the Older Soul has a hard time keeping the Physical Body "alive" in the sense that we already defined: "having no active, functioning presence." Older Souls are most-prone to hiding away their Physical Bodies from the world, in other words. They have evolved to such a state of spirituality, of spiritual strength, that the emphasis of life tends to move away from Physical presence, and it takes a lot more effort to be alive as a Physical Being. Being "alive", as in, "having active, functioning presence." This helps explain a great deal about much of the turmoil and terror that can often plague the Old Soul. It also helps explain the distractions and overcompensations of the younger Soul Ages. For instance, as the Baby Soul has the hardest time keeping the Spiritual Bodies alive, they tend to have the most resurrections of the Spiritual Body, or an emphasis on being "born again" on that level. The Older Soul often requires this same kind of profound turning point, but on a Physical Level. Therefore, many Older Souls will have their Turning Point generated when in the face of Physical Death. Though it would be difficult to validate, we can say that Older Souls tend to have the "close calls" with physical death more often, proportionally, than other soul ages for that reason. Ironically, they are also more likely to create a Turning Point unconsciously than the other Soul Ages, with Baby Souls being most-prone to creating Turning Points from a conscious intention than other Soul Ages. Before we move further into this topic, and into more personal territory, we now invite you to ask questions about the topic in general, or to comment on your sense of validity about what we have shared so far. [Maureen] Based on this discussion: How does "Energetic Healing" take place/work and what can be done to strengthen it's effect on all the "Bodies/Layers?" [Geraldine] What can cause the "death" of one of the intangible bodies? [Martha] Can you tell if another person has a "dead" body? [Maureen] Lights are on and no ones' home! MEntity: In response to Maureen: Most "Energetic Healing" is fairly useless without the implementation of a counterpart that might be called an "anchor" for a circuit to be fulfilled for that level of healing. [Karine] are the bodies related to the Centers? MEntity: For instance, Physical Healing, which is the most obvious form of healing, has a medium that is tangible in such forms as medicine, bandaging, and active monitoring of the wound. [Deb22] Can you please amplify the response to Maureen's question? What would be a counterpart, an anchor? MEntity: "Energetic" Healing most-often refers to more intangible techniques for providing an exchange of energy for the intent of healing various levels of the Body. However, regardless of the finer body, or the lack of tangibility for the healing, there still needs to be an "anchor," or a counterpart that helps to generate a circuit between healer and healed. [Maureen] What do you mean by anchor - counterpart? MEntity: For instance, the "laying on of hands" or the use of touch, in general, is powerful as an anchor, or counterpart, to many "energetic" healing techniques. [Maureen] From your perspective, what actually takes place with an energetic healing? [Deb22] What about a geometric grid with the elements, the bodies, the directions-- creating a mandala implementing those forms? MEntity: Other examples might be: good conversation as a counterpart to Intellectual Healing; affection as a counterpart to Emotional Healing; the use of symbols, either imaginary or tactile, are quite powerful. For example: if one were to use "at-a-distance" healing as a means to help someone, it would help for that recipient to have a symbol for help in completing that circuit. This could be assigned by the healer for the recipient to visualize or duplicate, or chosen by the recipient for the healer to focus upon. A person carrying a stone that is the anchor for healing energy from a healer is much more likely to receive and benefit from healing than someone who was simply told that the healer would "send" some healing energy. [Martha] whats an anchor for Spiritual healing? [Maureen] With "Hands on Healing" - what can be done to strengthen its effect so it lasts longer? Or has a permanent effect? MEntity: In response to GERALDINE: the death of the Emotional Body can come from emotional overwhelm, self-loathing, abandonment, emotional abuse, etc.; the death of the Intellectual Body can come from Intellectual overwhelm, extreme loss, unprocessed grief, excessive disappointment, philosophical abuse or mindfucking, etc.; the death of the Spiritual Body can come from overwhelming demands of life, lack of capacity to comprehend beyond your own needs and wants, extreme displacement of identity for the sake of compromise and order, etc. [Geraldine] a-ha -- all of those negative poles pile up [Maureen] The North Koreans must suffer from all these the death of the Physical Body, besides the obvious literal death, would come from extreme rejection of physical life, repulsion for the functions of the physical body, terror in realizing the fragility of the body, profound desperation to feel safe, profound misunderstanding that the vastness of the universe equates an insignificance of the self, etc. MEntity: In response to MARTHA: it is often difficult to determine if one of the bodies is dead, but if one is sensitive enough, one can often feel that sense of "emptiness" in a person on the relevant level of Body. [Deb22] What is the interrelationship between the 9 needs and the death of the bodies? MEntity: Some symptoms of each body's death might be: Spiritual Death - addiction, capacity to murder, willingness to enslave or oppress; Intellectual Death - lack of ethics, profound disregard for boundaries, profound lack of concern for the Effects of one's Cause. Emotional Death - extreme depression, apathy, paralysis of isolation (feeling trapped/alone when not trapped/alone) Physical Death - squalor, poor hygiene, extreme wishful thinking (extreme entitlement) In response to KARINE: yes, these Bodies are related to the Centers indirectly, as the Centers are related to the Chakras. Though our channels and students often presume that the Centers are synonymous with the Chakras, we do not use the term Centers to represent Chakras. Therefore, these Bodies are directly related to the Chakras, but indirectly related to the Centers. We use the term "Center" to describe a Personality's "Center of Gravity," and while this can be seen as an extension of the Chakra, it is not about the Chakra, itself. [Maureen] What part does Auric Hygiene play in "warding off" the death of a "Body"? MEntity: So, for instance, a Personality may be Emotionally Centered, but his Emotional Body is "Dead." This would mean that the fragment still navigates life based on attraction and repulsion relative to Inspiration (emotion), but has closed down any vitality to his Emotional Body, hence having "closed down" his Heart Chakra. [Deb22] What is the interrelationship between the 9 needs and the death of the bodies? MEntity: In other words, his other bodies may still move through life in relation to what is or isn't inspiring, but his Emotional Body has cut off contact with his Essence. In response to DEB, we did elaborate on the Anchor/Counterpart, and can do so further if that was not enough. [Karine] so a body's death is basically the rejecting of essence? [Deb22] I was referring to our primary needs: Freedom, Adventure, Exchange, Expression, etc. and was asking for the correlation [Martha] that's a big question Deb [Deb22] I realize that but I think it is most relevant to our discussion MEntity: We are responding to the questions as we see them in order above. We suggest a halt on the questioning now until we have responded to each that has already been posted. [Geraldine] I don't think Needs applies to this -- we'll never get to issues about how to do up a Turning Point consciously at this rate MEntity: We explained what a "counterpart" and anchor is in relation to energetic healing, but the short answer would that a counterpart or anchor is a specific symbol or tangible object that acts as a medium for the energy that is being transmitted for healing purposes. Those symbols and objects are completely subject to the creativity and sense of personal relevance between the healer and healed, and are not specific to the different bodies. We are now to Maureen's question of "what actually takes place during energetic healing?" Whether Physical, Emotional, Intellectual, or Spiritual, any healing is a corrective frequency relative to that body. More specifically, it is a return to order from chaos, or alignment from disarray. When we say that it is a return to order from chaos, we say that in terms of relativity. What may be order, or beauty, to one person's body is chaos to another's. [Martha] Can we hold more questions until we hear about how to consciously create a TP? we're going to run out of time MEntity: For example, what an Older Soul sees in a Baby Soul's being "born again" is "ugly" compared to the beauty the Baby Soul actually experiences in that healing. [Deb22] Suggestion: Why can't we continue this topic next month? It is clear, it is massive. MEntity: Keeping this in mind can help when one acts as a healer, either professionally or as a friend. Healing is something that must be determined by the recipient, not the sender. (We can respond to the remaining questions above, and still cover the "how to" part of our discussion, if everyone has approximately 30 minutes remaining to participate.) [Maureen] OK [Martha] ok [Geraldine] ok [Karine] alright [Deb22] ok MEntity: In response to Deb regarding Mandalas: yes, this would be included in our explanation that symbols are counterparts/anchors for healing. In response to Maureen about hand-on healing and length of effect: We would have to say that it is often wise to consider healing as a matter of "treatment," rather than as a form of miracle. This means that, in most cases, healing is a process, not a product. Each recipient would require different different numbers of sessions, and different degrees of focus for the healing. This is something that would be determined based upon the needs of the individual. In response to Deb regarding the 9 Needs: to the degree that one's Needs are met is a fairly accurate degree to which the bodies are healthy. The less one satisfies his Needs, the more one will degenerate in relation to that Need, depending on how one has prioritized that need and its necessity to satisfy. Though the different Needs could correlate to the different Bodies, it is more accurate to say that for EACH Body the 9 Needs MUST BE SATISFIED to some degree for that Body to be healthy. So, for instance, the Emotional Body will have its Tier of 3 Primary Needs to satisfy, but will still need all 9 to be healthy. In response to Karine about the body's death being a rejection of Essence: No, the Physical Body's death is not always about the "rejection" of Essence, but it is always a result of Essence withdrawing or being blocked from the Body. Death or the Turning Point of any Body is motivated by either Transmutation or Desperation. Therefore, when the Physical Body dies, it can be from the positive morphing into another step of its evolution, or from desperation that might lead to something like suicide. Of course, we can elaborate upon all of our responses as necessary, but we will now speak about the "how to" part of our exchange with you. If any of you can look at any part of your life as represented by the Bodies (Physical, Emotional, Intellectual, Spiritual) and have found yourselves stating that "something has GOT to change," then you may be in need of a Turning Point. If you are in need of a Turning Point, then it will either happen as a result of Desperation as that particular level of life, or Body, is threatened or dies, or you can choose to generate that Turning Point on your own, and on your own terms. The reason most fragments rely on Desperation to generate a Turning Point is because it is "easier" in that it feels as if it is something that happens TO you, rather than FROM you. And therein lies the difference: consciously choosing/creating a Turning Point means that is must come FROM you, not TO you. One does NOT need to be near death, or dead, in that Body in order to generate a Turning Point. When one is consciously creating a Turning Point, it is not dependent on which Body is near death, but can be based upon your Overleaves and the inherent strength and weaknesses of your own design. When a Turning Point is generated, either consciously or unconsciously, it is a profound redirection of DOING, BEING, HAVING, or KNOWING. These correlate to the Axes of the Overleaves. DOING=Action BEING=Inspiration HAVING=Expression KNOWING=Assimilation If one might choose to consciously create a Turning Point, then one might look at his or her Overleaves and see which Axis is lacking the most emphasis. This would be your first clue or step in generating your Turning Point. For instance, if one is not a King or Warrior, and does not have Submission/Dominance, Perseverance, Aggression, Cynic, Realist, Moving Centering, or a Mars/Venus Body Type, then it might mean that you would most benefit from DOING SOMETHING PROFOUNDLY DIFFERENT. If you are lacking in the Inspiration Overleaves, it might mean that you would benefit most from starting to BE SOMETHING PROFOUNDLY DIFFERENT. Lack of Expression Overleaves might mean it would benefit you to HAVE SOMETHING PROFOUNDLY DIFFERENT. Lack of Assimilation might mean KNOWING SOMETHING PROFOUNDLY DIFFERENT. DOING something different is probably the most obvious in terms of what one can do to generate a Turning Point. BEING something different would mean profoundly changing the dynamics of your behavior to reflect what it is that inspires you. BE THAT. HAVING something different would mean profoundly changing what it is that you take/receive from the world around you. KNOWING something different would mean profoundly changing how you interpret your experiences. Of course, no Turning Point can be completed without ALL of those being addressed: Doing, Being, Having, and Knowing. But your Overleaves can help you to see where you might need to start, first. The fact may be that your true Turning Point would come when you reach the KNOWING part of the equation, even if you start with the DOING part. So keep this in mind when you begin your steps. Based on what we have just shared, do each of you understand your Overleaves enough to see what might be your own first step in a Turning Point, if you chose to consciously create one? [LisaC] yes; mine would be Doing [Martha] I think so (Seeing as how I have almost NO action emphasis) [Karine] mine would be doing, too MEntity: And the rest of you? [Geraldine] I think everything hinges on "how I interpret" things [Maureen] I have a mix [Karine] Should one also take a look at what overleaves they are sliding to? (if some of them are on the neutral axis) MEntity: Karine, no, the primary Overleaf should be the primary means for determining this, but we can say that the "sliding" can help to show what area might be a next step in the process. [Karine] ok [Deb22] I did what I always do, DO, but now that I have done; I am BEING. Where am I in my bodies' resurrections? [Geraldine] I'm a little curious how one would DO before one KNOWS? [Martha] I know I need to do something different, but I don't know what it is [Maureen] I walked on "Fire" before I knew MEntity: As we said, all parts of the process will have to be addressed for a complete Turning Point, but a first step is always necessary. In the case where DOING may be addressed before KNOWING, it would mean that it is obvious that certain actions are generating certain results, which would either mean DOING something else more specific to the desired results, or the halting of the Doing that is causing the undesirable results. The reason this might work better for those lacking Action Overleaves is because those Personalities rarely "Know" something (as in, being able to interpret things differently) until they DO something that breaks a pattern. It is not necessary for one to "know" what to do differently, but to DO something profoundly different is the key. This may be as obvious as doing the opposite of what you would normally do, or just doing something "different" for a change, as in taking a random trip, or breaking out in dance in the moment. Keep in mind that for each of these, they are a spectrum: Doing/Not Doing; Being/Not Being; etc. Sometimes the profundity is in the NOT. One way to keep yourself "on your toes" regarding your starting point of Transformation is to mark your more familiar moment with "Maybe I'm Wrong." For instance, "I have to do it this way because my situation demands that I do it this way." "But maybe I'm wrong about that." "I know it means this because it's obvious that it means this." "But maybe I'm wrong about that." "I want this and need this because I've earned it and deserve it!" "But maybe I'm wrong about that." "I am a big loser." "But maybe I'm wrong about that." If you find that you are frustrated with your direction on any level, it will truly help you to consider that you may be wrong. Suggesting this to yourself can help you to spark your creativity in finding other solutions and directions. Keep in mind that a consciously-created Turning Point is a slower process and one that requires your active participation. Putting a coin of effort into the slot of Doing will not immediately generate a jackpot of success from Being, Having, and Knowing. Your sequence of steps is just a suggestion, and we have already pointed out where to start, but where you will end is often suggested by the Axis where your Overleaves are most concentrated. [Martha] I have been very frustrated lately, wanting to DO something but not knowing what — this should help MEntity: A final thought for you consider is that the force that will keep each step flowing into the next, and generating results that will lead to Transmutation, is FOLLOW-THROUGH. [Geraldine] damn -- but what if I have a CF of procrastination? [Martha] (you're gonna knock Troy out of trance) [Geraldine] (just trying to make Michael laugh) MEntity: There is no Chief Feature of Procrastination, but the humor is not lost on us: we would suggest in response to this that if one is plagued by Procrastination, then one actively create a structure or relationship of Accountability. Accountability is the only solution for Procrastination. With all of this background information, and insight into your Overleaves as a tool for change, we think each of you can set in motion your own Turning Point, if you choose to do so. [Karine] how long does it take to create a successful Turning Point? a few months/years? does it depend on the situation? [Deb22] My bodies — the emotional, the spiritual, the intellectual are experiencing profound changes since my trip to SE Asia. I have the momentum but it is of a different texture. Exciting, but scary. Stillness versus movement. Any suggestions that can help? MEntity: We will respond to these final two questions, but must conclude after that. Karine, the length of time it takes is always relative to the effort, and the magnitude of redirection that is sought. If one wants to take better care of her body so that it moves into a natural state of health, then that can take effect almost immediately; but if one would like to redirect from a career of law enforcement to a career in ballet, it might take more time and commitment. Deb, our best response to your question is to suggest that you now LISTEN TO YOURSELF. That is key in your sustaining your momentum. Listen. And, of course, Follow Through. We must conclude here. If further, more intimate discussion is required, we suggest arranging a follow up discussion/chat within the month that may help. Good day to each of you. Goodbye.
  2. February 13, 2005 Troy Tolley, Channel MICHAEL SPEAKS Online — Open Floor [M Entity] Hello to all of you. We are here. You may begin adding yourselves to the queue of questions and we will respond to you in that order. [sandt1222] Thank you. I still have a lot of questions of the basics. Tonight I would like to ask about the significance of the student groups who study together and the channel they choose. [M Entity] Channels through whom we work, (and channels who claim to work with us, but do not actually channel us) are all in some kind of Agreement with the students who are attracted to them. Some channels and teachers have Karma among their students, and the dynamic of their attraction to each other is based on that Karmic structure. Those who are attracted to Troy's channeling of us are in some way linked to the exploration of Perfect Imperfection; or put another way, “absolute comprehension, compassion, and acceptance of Self and Other.” For other channels, a student may be attracted to Empowerment themes, Relationship themes, Reality Dynamic themes, etc. It could then be said that each valid channel attracts three kinds of relationships: Monads, Agreements, and Karma. These Monads, Agreements, and Karma would be among the students as well as between channel and student. [See definitions at the bottom of this transcript for Monads, Agreements, and Karma.] [CearaQC] Greetings. Many books and websites speak about channeling one's higher self/oversoul. Do you have any advice and/or techniques to share with us on how this is accomplished? [M Entity] Yes. Through this channel, we have shared a great deal on that very concept. Troy will include those documents along with the transcript from this chat for your convenience. It is a collection of 3 sessions exploring that very topic and while we could briefly comment on it here, we believe a broader study of the topic as already explored would benefit you more appropriately. [NOTE FROM TROY: The series to which Michael refers was “Conscious Connection to Essence, Parts 1, 2, 3.” I am not really sure those transcripts will answer the question posed by Kara, so I am not sure why Michael suggested them. Unless they are seeking to emphasize a connection to Essence is the foundation for “channeling” your higher self, oversoul?] [BradburySE] I feel like I’m starting to notice the effect of this more and more lately in people around me and I'd like to see if my perceptions are valid. I would like to ask about the nature of sub-personalities. Are they something all of us have and carry within us; parts of our current personalities? Or are they negative influences that exist independent of a fragment? Are they parts of past-life personalities, or some astral fragment? [M Entity] Specifically-defined, a Sub-Personality is one facet of the Whole Personality that is usually unconsciously designated for specific management of specific feelings, situations, relationships, etc. Sub-Personalities are in communication with “each other,” which is the difference between a Whole Personality and a Personality challenged by Schizophrenia or Multiple Personality Disorder. Sub-Personalities are generated by the current Personality's experiences of the current lifetime. They are not independent of the Personality, as in “possession” of some sort, or some random “astral fragment.” To the extent that a Past Life is affecting the current Personality, then the Sub-Personalities MAY be a result of how the current Personality is managing that input, but this would still mean the Sub-Personalities are generated from within the structure of the current Personality, of course. Any “negative influences” or “astral fragments” affecting an individual's Personality behavior would not be considered in the same context as Sub-Personalities, but as rare and altogether different scenarios. Sub-Personalities can become nuisances and quite controlling of their particular psychological territory, but some can be quite beneficial and freeing of internal resources for challenges and growth. [BradburySE] Then someone in “whole personality” should surely remember what he or she said when a sub-personality was in control; is that right? [M Entity] You can identify when you are dealing with a Sub-Personality as you find yourself behaving in a seemingly automated manner within very specific circumstances. If a Sub-Personality is “cut off” from memory, it is no longer an issue of Sub-Personality, but of Multiple Personality Disorder, or Schizophrenia. Multiple Personality Disorder is the result of Sub-Personalities becoming disengaged from the Primary Personality Core, and each assumes it is the Core. Schizophrenia is the result of a specific Emotional element of the Personality being disengaged and assigned to a Sub-Personality to manage it. [Tibtyc] Greetings Michael. It seems to me that a lot of irritation, friction and strife between humans stems from differences in soul-age. Different ages have a hard time understanding, or just tolerating each other. Sometimes I think young and old should try to keep separate (as in the Indian caste system). Or at least that *I* should stay away from people whose valuations (probably soul age) are different from mine. But most of the time I mix & mingle, using lot of my energy to criticize, admonish, trying to correct what I see as “follies of youth,” in a collective, cultural sense. Maybe this is a mistake. What is a good attitude of one soul age to another, especially towards younger souls? Should one criticize? [M Entity] As with the progression of any maturation, the “older” will always be in the position of responsibility for understanding, teaching, redirecting, guiding, empathizing, and accepting the “younger.” So it is in Soul Age. The Older the soul, the more responsibility and capability there is within that soul to comprehend the previous soul ages. This does not mean one must condone or participate in the antics of the younger soul ages, but one can find peace, adaptability, and trust in those younger soul ages. In the same way that a parent must sometimes surrender to the power struggles of a teenager, so must the older soul surrender to the chaos of the Young and Baby Souls. Note that we use the word “surrender,” not “resign.” Surrender includes understanding and patience and trust, while resignation is the choice to abdicate all responsibility. We must also note that it can be quite tempting to stereotype the Soul Ages because of generalizations and media hype. It is assumed that only Baby and Young Souls, for instance, are responsible for the chaos in your world, but that couldn't be further from the truth. The apathy of an Old Soul does far more harm to your planet and people than any bomb from a Young Soul. The need to segregate one's consciousness from the rest of one's species as a means to uphold a false sense of spirituality or evolution is far more regressive than the zealousness of a Baby Soul. We make these statements as fact, not as judgments. As with every other aspect of life, a fragment may choose to do whatever he or she feels is most appropriate in all circumstances. In short, a “good attitude” toward younger souls is in the ability to see the innocence of their experimentation, chaos, and cruelty. Reaching into and resonating with the innocence of another Being is one of the most powerful means to transform the ripples of effect from those Beings' choices in your world. [Tibtyc] Should i take the part about “segregation” as referring to me? [M Entity] We do not specifically refer to you, though we are responding to the question as you stated it in terms of segregation based on a caste system. [flimflamdamn] So trying to connect with that innocence in another can help? [M Entity] Yes, Leela. That is what we said, but more specifically, we stated that it would “transform the effects on your world,” as in, “your personal experience” of the world. Changing your experience of the world is one of the most powerful means of creating your world in a “better way.” [Tibtyc] My understanding is that caste originally had to do with Age. [Annsge] (Think “Caste” had more to do with Essence Role) [M Entity] The caste system was originated and propagated only as a means of socio-political control, not as an extension of any mystical or spiritually-relevant systems; regardless of how that system can retrospectively be interpreted. [flimflamdamn] I know that I almost always ask about current events, so I'm sorry if this question is in any way redundant. But here goes: [M Entity] We do not require qualification of your questions, nor an apology. But you know this. [flimflamdamn] The government of my country seems to be more and more dangerous, both domestically and abroad. And so many of my fellow Americans seem to be asleep, self-obsessed, and ignorant of the rest of the world, just buying the whole program that's being sold to them. I and many people I know feel that our spirits have been broken, that we no longer live in a democracy, and we are frightened of our environmental and political future, not just here but all over the world. Right now, everything seems so status-quo, and the most destructive, selfish people seem to be getting their way in everything — I sense a future of diminished choice and degraded lives. What are the strongest probabilities this year, in this respect, and/or in terms of global or national events that affect us all? I should say I FEAR a future of diminished choice. [M Entity] In terms of “diminished choice,” we are assuming you refer to the privileged level of choices afforded the American lifestyle? [flimflamdamn] no…more like, the choice to control one's reproduction, the choice to live in a healthy environment, the choice to be part of a peaceful rather than war and fear-driven nation; not the choice to drive a Hummer or live in a McMansion; the choice to send one's kids to school, to be able to live rather than survive – that is what I refer to. [M Entity] The choice to “control one's reproduction, live in a healthy environment, and to be part of a peaceful nation” are still quite local to the United States' established privileges. [flimflamdamn] well then, perhaps that is what I am asking about. [upstaate] unfair distribution of the nations wealth? [flimflamdamn] Hard-fought freedoms [M Entity] If that is the case, we see no specific blows in the lack of choice afforded the United States' people in the year ahead. We suggest that the dynamic of division within the United States is not one-sided. The chief features of the older souls are as strong a contributor to the divisions and turbulence and fear as any younger soul. Consider the structure of a school: Physical Age would determine the levels of responsibility afforded the different groups of people participating in that school. Physical Age would determine the levels of (or circles of) choice allowed the different groups of people participating in that school. Physical Age would determine the available wisdom accessible to the different groups of people participating in that school. Consider that the “adults” are the Older souls and that they have resigned to levels of simple criticism, superiority, and other methods of huffing in disgust at the children. The population of children (younger souls), of course, outnumbers the population of the adults (older souls), so it is valid that there is very little that can be done to herd the mass of children into order by the adult standards. [flimflamdamn] but lately the children seem to be running things…and they seem bent on destruction. [M Entity] There are only two methods that an older soul can regain a sense of peace in that environment: through RESTRICTIONS or through FREEDOMS. [Tibtyc] Adults stand aside and just watch… [M Entity] Restrictions would require a great deal of energy that is usually not interesting to an older soul to expend. However, if that choice were to be made, it would mean a grand implementation of order to remove the ability of the young to make their own choices. [flimflamdamn] sounds disagreeable [M Entity] In fact, most literal adults use this method to train and grow literal children. The effects of that restriction, of course, are only to directly benefit one group of people, the adults (or older souls). The other choice is through the method of FREEDOMS. This means that the older souls, or adults, OFFER alternatives, educate those who are interested, and create paths that can help funnel the energy of the younger. [freyaisissuz] sounds like the Super Nanny's [Tibtyc] Choice, and not Laws… [M Entity] This then gives peace to the adults because now the experience of the personal world can begin to be filled with accomplishment, meaning, and support for the choice toward peace. This also diminishes the destructive effects of the younger souls because it only takes one fragment out of 1,000 fragments to change the minds, hearts, and actions of that 1,000. [upstaate] can you give us examples of the RESTRICTIONS? [M Entity] Examples of Restrictions might be: Lockdowns; Public Humiliation; Broad Judgments and Punishments; Removal of Services; Apathy; Callousness; Resignation; Force. Of course, the globe and life are not as simple as a school, but we use that analogy as a means of simplifying. [flimflamdamn] How does this apply to the very real dangers of what our leaders are doing, secretly and explicitly? [M Entity] Leela, this applies in a very real way. Rather than brooding about and condemning the children of your world, much can be done to funnel that energy into creating choices and paths for those who CAN support your vision of a peaceful world. The world is currently in no better or worse position environmentally, politically, socially, or politically than 10,000 years ago or before. There are simply more people, more choices, and more exposure. There is a tendency for the older soul to generate the worst visions of reality when there is an overwhelming diet of exposure to tragedies in the world. Those tragedies will exist with or without your consent and approval. We do not suggest one disengage from the reality of tragedies in your world, but we do suggest that you are not the parents of the world and that the children will eventually learn. You did. [flimflamdamn] thank you. This does help. I still fear the children who have nukes…but this does help. [M Entity] The horrors that each of you imposed on the freedoms of other fragments across your lifetimes are as much a part of this world as the current horrors being explored among other souls. Use your energy and your ability to choose a way to input into the world what you most want from it. Simply condemning the world to tragedy and impending loss is more telling of how you perceive your own life than as an accurate perception of your shared world. Leela, people do not “have to learn through horror.” People CHOOSE to learn through horror. It is quite popular. As soul ages become more condensed and exponentially accelerating in growth, so do the apparent horrors seem to match, as this is a very quick way to learn. Consider the deflection of a child’s hand from fire through your verbal restriction and intervention. Nothing was learned except that the adult is afraid of the orange light. A child who touches the flame will rarely, if ever, intentionally touch a flame again. [kittlekats41] My question is a follow up to Shannon's: are there a ‘usual’ or ‘reasonable’ number of sub-personalities each of us assume in a life, or does this vary based on soul age, levels and Overleaves too much to give an average? [M Entity] Most fragments generate at least 12 Sub-Personalities as an internal kind of support group. There would then be an internal facet who deals with Love, Knowledge, Compassion, Humor, Discipline, Anchor, Healer, Muse, Enlightenment, Child, Beauty, and Mentor. Each is actually assigned a name and a gender, internally and unconsciously. As a fragment begins to rely on their EXTERNAL Support Group, so does the sense of Wholeness and levels of consciousness/awareness begin cohesion. We are describing the classic picture of most Personality’s system of Sub-Personalities, but this is by no means a rule. We will conclude with the final question. [Annsge] Are there times when the sub-personality is perceived as negative by the Personality? If so, what can be done about it? [M Entity] A Sub-Personality is considered “negative” if the Core Personality is rendered helpless to the fearful choices and patterns of that Sub-Personality. The Core Personality will ALWAYS be able to override the Sub-Personality, but a “negative” Sub-Personality can be quite daunting and rooted. [Annsge] Is the Chief Feature a factor in this? [M Entity] Yes, Ann, the Chief Feature (when fear and division are involved) is always involved. Some means by which the Core Personality can override the patterns, fears, and momentum of a negative Sub-Personality are: ASKING FOR HELP — one should never underestimate the ability of an external resource to help one through difficulties. NAMING and GUIDING — one can consciously name the Sub-Personality and humorously begin to see how it has come to be in control, then use internal compassion as a means to educate that facet of self toward new ways of choosing. CORE CONSCIOUSNESS — this would be a deliberate, yet gentle, awareness of what AREAS of the life tend to be ruled by a Sub-Personality’s pattern and consciously examining those contexts, rather than waiting until the Sub-Personality has already risen to control. As a final note, we wish to clarify that these Sub-Personalities are NOT separate from you, nor are they “to blame” for your poor behavior. They are simply FACETS of you, in the same way that your Hand and Foot are still your Body. The more coordination and communication among your Body Parts, the more gracefully you live. The more coordination and communication among your Personality Facets, the more gracefully you live. We will conclude here. Goodnight to each of you. Definitions: Monad: A single unit of experience comprised of two polarized parts that eventually create inherent lessons and resolutions. There are internal and external Monads. Agreement: A casual commitment to share a specific experience usually made on a non-physical level of communication. Karma: The attempt to resolve a previous interference of someone’s choices that resulted in some kind of intensity.
  3. OMW - Apr 3, 2011 - Personality Pathways Channel: Troy Tolley Mentity: Hello to each of you. We are here now. We will share with you some insights about using the Personality Overleaves in a way that may make them more useful and applicable when examining behavior patterns and shared dynamics between yourself and others. What we will begin with then is how your Personality was "designed" in the first place by your Essence. The process of creating a Personality evolves over lifetimes, but begins in the Infant Soul Age as "throwing together" anything that is more compatible with the defaults of the Essence Design already chosen. For instance, a higher "Female" Energy fragment would tend toward beginning lifetimes, literally, in a female body. The higher female and higher frequency Overleaves tend to be the Exalted Overleaves, and the higher male and lower frequency Overleaves tend to be the Ordinal Overleaves. Depending on the combination of Essence Role, Frequency, and Energy Ratio, your "defaults" would be determined. If there are extremes in that Essence design, then the Assimilative Overleaves come in handy. Over lifetimes, this process becomes far more comprehensive because there is more information and experience to consider in the making of a Personality. Over lifetimes, this process becomes far more comprehensive because Essence begins to define certain patterns of exploration and interests, not only based upon its accumulation of experiences gathered through the Personalities, but because there are certain "wishes" to fulfill for some Personalities. This process also becomes far more comprehensive because the positions within the Entity become fleshed out, so to speak, and the contributions to the Entity become important as an intention, rather than as a byproduct. Over the course of lifetimes and Soul Ages, the "core" of Personality will shift. The "core" of a Personality can always be any Overleaf, but there does tend to be a consistency in what is the core relative to Soul Ages. The core of a Personality can be the Goal, Mode, Attitude, or Body Type. By "core," we mean it tends to be the leading Overleaf for that Personality around which all other Overleaves become dependent. The core is what "feeds" the other Overleaves, if you will; the hub around which the other Overleaves revolve or extend. As the soul grows older, its choice of core becomes far more flexible, but the consistency is still set enough to consider it worth knowing the correlations. The MODE is the core of most Infant Souls; the ATTITUDE is the core for most Baby and Old Souls; the GOAL for most Young Souls; and the Body Type (and by extension, Centering) for most Mature Souls. The Mode, by the way is usually the Core for most fragments who host Transcendental Souls, while the Goal is the Core for most fragments who host the Infinite Souls. We will pass over the "reasons" for all of this for now so as to get to the more applicable information, but can discuss the details as time permits. For most Old Souls, the core then is the Attitude. Keeping in mind that what we say for the Old Soul can be applied to the other Soul Ages and their corresponding Cores, we will elaborate. We have said before, without this background elaboration, that the Attitude is the core of the Personality, and for the Attitude to fall into the Negative Poles means that the Chief Features are far more likely to come forth, and the other Overleaves are most likely functioning from the Negative Poles. To bring the Personality from a state of Falseness and into a state of Trueness, the Attitude would have to be moved back into its Positive Pole, which would then feed into the rest of the Personality, in a kind of cascading effect, giving rise to the Positive Poles in the other parts of their Personality. While it is always helpful to understand the Poles for each Overleaf, and how to bring each into the Positive Pole if necessary, the "short cut" is always through the movement of the Attitude back into its Positive Pole, particularly for the Baby and Old Souls. Unless, of course, your Personality is an anomoly among the tendencies. Understanding your Core means understanding your primary platform or navigational tool for living the life. For those who have the Attitude as the Core, it would mean that the life is primarily built upon philosophical platforms, and navigation is done through how experiences, people, and events align with or conflict with your Attitude/Philosophy. For the Baby Souls, this tends toward like-mindedness and absolutes, whereas the Old Soul tends toward challenges and flexibilities. The "manifested" Soul Age can tend to throw the emphasis of a Personality into a different Core, which is part of the process toward wholeness in the Internal Monads; aligning oneself back to one's core. Before we continue into more details, we will take a few questions regarding what has been shared so far, if there are any. QUEUE OPEN FOR QUESTIONS [Oscar] you mentioned "...the positions within the Entity become fleshed out, so to speak, and the contributions to the Entity become important as an intention...", would you elaborate on how that works exactly and how that works for wild cards? The Positions within the Entity are chosen by Essence (and to say "within" is not quite a literal term, by the way), and along with those Positions come general functions for the entity. Those general functions are a learned process, and not something that just happens because of a positioning. We will share an analogy: Imagine a bus load of fragments who have discussed along the way what each is excited about, afraid of, worried about, and feels strongly about experiencing at the amusement park toward which they are headed. Everyone has chosen a "seat" in the bus that corresponds to what each has already decided fits what it thinks he would be interested in, and good at, collecting for the bus load of friends. These positions are based on uncountable cycles of the universe and the capturing of various universal experiences relative to incarnational cycles. But for the sake of simplicity and our amusement park analogy, we will say that one fragment has decided he is in charge of collecting memorabilia, and another is in charge of taking polls, and another is in charge of sampling foods, etc. Every other fragment will also collect memorabilia, take polls, and sample foods, but this particular fragment in this chosen Position will be the one to which the other fragments "report" their experiences, and that particular fragment may have a theme with an emphasis on his function. By "fleshed out," we meant that each fragment then decides and learns how it best handles their function. Some will collect from the other fragments and update records for the entity only between lives; others will seek to find those who are focusing on experiences that are relevant to his function during the lifetime and create a stream of updating via various methods (dreams, meditation, daydreaming, etc). Some will find ways of organizing the data, while others will "pile it up," etc. Eventually, each position will bring his function/records from the park and back onto the bus, and then the process of organizing ALL of that begins. The "wild cards" tend to have between 2 to 7 functions/positions within the entity, with an emphasis on one of them. The task for the wild card then is to create its own system for managing these additional functions/positions, and this can tend to get rather chaotic in the earlier soul ages, and come together in the later soul ages. Wild Cards, ironically, become some of the most-focused, streamlined, and tunnel-visioned of all fragments in the entity during the older soul ages. [TimW] What is the best way to validate where one's "core" focus is? For instance, if my attitude is spiritualist (which I'm still seeking to validate), how would this look different if it is the core focus from when it is not? The first consideration for validation would be in terms of how the life is being "built." Regardless of all of the nuances, is the life being built from your Ambitions (goals), your Philosophies (attitudes), your Relationships (modes), or your Behavior (body types). All of these will be involved, of course, and depending on various contexts and where one is with the Internal Monads, any could be emphasized, but there would tend to be an underlying, obvious theme for those who are self-observant. Where you life is RIGHT NOW gives one an idea about the core that it has been built from. Is it primarily actively ambitious, primarily philosophical, primarily relationships, primarily behavioral (empathic, assimilative). We are not finding the "right word" for the Mature Soul core as it relates to the Body Type, but we will eventually get that through. For now, we will refer to it a Behavioral, as this is how we will umbrella the concept of assimilating empathy. To put all of this another way: what matters MOST to you on a more regular and private basis? the accomplishments of the life; the interpretations of life; the relationships of life; or the way life treats you and you treat life? The answer for most of you will be that all of these matter, because you are Older souls, but there is one that should stand out as the most obvious and consistent, especially in your private navigations. The core then is around which all of the others revolve. For most Old Souls, the way life is interpreted is the core, and then relationships, ambitions, and behaviors revolve around that. As we are sharing new information through our channel, we ask now if this is making sense to you? [ClaireC] Could you elaborate on "manifested soul age can tend to throw the emphasis of a Personality into a different core"? Over the course of a lifetime, the emphasis of core will evolve, eventually to align with the true core. This process of alignment is the same process for manifesting Essence, or True Personality. If one is in his teens and working through the 3rd Internal Monad, his emphasis of core may have his Goal of the Personality leading him. Everything, then, would be a matter of whether he is accomplishing that Goal, or taking on the challenges relative to that Goal. However, if he is an Old Soul, he would eventually find his Attitude a far more comfortable Core for leading the life, and calibrate the Personality around that Overleaf at some point. Until then, there may be a sense of being skewed, unsettled, restless, etc. because the emphasized core is not the true core. The process of returning to one's core is a natural process, and that process is not one that should be considered necessary to find shortcuts or that there is a standard speed. That process is simply "growing up," if you will. However, the older one gets in physical and psychological age, the more that gap between the emphasized core and the true core can become, and this can become problematic. If your true core is the Attitude because you are an Old Soul, yet you have emphasized the Body Type core (manifesting Mature) or the Goal core (manifesting Young), and you are in your 50's, it can become painful and internally/externally isolating. However, there are flexibilities in the Personality that emphasize the various Overleaves, and this is a healthy functioning of the Personality that does not shift its core. We will speak of this in a moment. When we speak of someone's "manifested" soul age, we are referring to a sustained emphasis, and not just a flexibility of focus for various contexts. So the farther away from ones technical soul age one is "manifesting," the farther away one may be from his core, as well, and the less comfortable and aligned within and without one might feel. We will continue with the topic now. Over the course of lifetimes, your Essence creates your Personalities with more information, experience, and intentions, and that is reflected in the choice of what Core Overleaf is first chosen. In that process, the Core Overleaf becomes the "spokesperson," if you will, for the rest of the design of the Personality. This may be difficult to imagine, and we are limited by analogies here, but we will try to convey the process. Essence would choose the Attitude, first, for example, and so it is that the Spiritualist, for example, is then informed by Essence as to what the plans and intentions and Karma etc are for the life ahead. The feedback from the Spiritualist is then considered for which Overleaf is chosen next. This naturally changes the Personality immediately, and that combination now chooses the next Overleaf. This second Overleaf chosen is the Support Overleaf. The third Overleaf is the Seed Overleaf. The fourth Overleaf is the Navigational Overleaf. As this is new information for our channel, other terms could be used, such as the Correctional or Calibrational Overleaf. The Support Overleaf does whatever the Core Overleaf leads into and adds to its emphasis, and generally supports the entire Personality. An example: a Spiritualist interprets life as a spectrum of Possibilities, and in its positive pole will Investigate those Possibilities; if that person has his Goal of Acceptance as a Support Overleaf, then the Positive Pole of Agape would embrace whatever opportunity/possibility comes forth from the life. If that same Spiritualist is in the Negative Pole and goes forward into experiences with unquestioned Beliefs, then Acceptance would support this with an inclination for Ingratiation, or doing what is felt to be necessary for accepting/being accepted. The Seed Overleaf is that Overleaf through which all experiences are then funneled into tangibility. For instance, then, the Spiritualist with a Goal of Acceptance has his Seed Overleaf as the Mode of Observation. This would translate into the life primarily being built from philosophies and perspectives, or the interpretation of life, and then supported by the accomplishments or actions of the Goal, and then manifested or played out in Relationships. In other words, the results of the efforts of the Core and its Support could be checked against how well Relationships are going, and what is going on in them, the health of those relationships, etc. In this case, if the Core and Support are in the Negative Poles, then the Relationships/Mode may very well be, as well, and Relationships may be experienced as having a sense of isolation, lack, distance, ineffectiveness, etc as Observation is in Surveillance, or watching, but not living. In this case, the Calibration Overleaf would be the Body Type, and it could be that the health becomes a factor in how one processes, removes, or corrects the events, situations, or relationships, etc. In the example above, it might be that the Body Type that manages the health of the body is Venusian, and if the Core, Support, and Seed are in the Negative Poles, then the health may fall into "sloppiness," or a rather chaotic collapse that forces attention to it as a means for correction, removal, or full processing. We would like to check in here to see if we are conveying this information clearly enough. Is this pattern of the Personality making sense so far? [TimW] yes, thank you [Jill] yes [Oscar] yes =) [Mstudent_al] yes, very [Maureen] yes - but complex :) We will continue, then. [ClaireC] yes, very much so As each of you experience your life, you will have these patterns of Personality that are core patterns, but there will be certain contexts that require flexibilities, and while this will never usurp your core patterns, the flexibility comes in handy for new experiences. The Overleaf that takes the lead in projects and when working with others sharing an intention that seeks tangibility is the GOAL. The Overleaf that takes the lead in social situations and especially when first introducing yourselves is the ATTITUDE. The Overleaf that takes the lead in relationships and especially when the intention is intimacy (and not limited to romantic intimacy, of course) is the MODE. The Overleaf that takes the lead in bonding and creating common grounds through which experiences can be mutually shared is the Body Type. Understanding these various contexts of emphasis can help in these various contexts. Knowing that upon first meeting someone, regardless of his or her Core, you will most likely share your own, and "meet" his or her, Attitude, first, can be enlightening. Knowing that it might take up to three exchanges for the Modes to become involved can be helpful for when it seems that you and the other person suddenly begin revealing a different level or facet of yourselves. Knowing that your Attitudes and Modes may have to be set aside for a project and that your innate skills as relative to your own GOAL is most necessary for that project, can help one to not take things personally and to focus on the tasks at hand. Knowing that being around each other in shared physical space, and how that is played out, is vital factor in how well you can share common ground and process experiences together can be quite helpful. We will refer to these as Contextual Cores. These do not lead to patterns within, as the Core Pattern cannot be usurped, but the Contextual Core would be the part of your Core Pattern that is shared with others. For instance, if someone's Core Pattern is Attitude, Goal, Mode, Body Type, and he is in a project-oriented context, bringing forth the Contextual Core of his Goal, he will still first have chosen this project because of his Core Philosophy, and this project must in some way support that. [Oscar] Could you give the Core Pattern for each of us (Core, Support, Seed, Calibrational/Navigational Overleaves)? Before we would share with any of you a Core Pattern based upon our interpretation of you, we would first encourage each of you to assess this for yourself. We can say that for most Old Souls, the Core Pattern tends to be Attitude, Goal, Mode, Body Type, but that is a tendency, not a standard. For Mature Souls, the Core Pattern tends to be Body Type, Mode, Goal, Attitude. For Young Souls: Goal, Mode, Body Type, Attitude. For Baby Souls, Attitude, Modes, Goals, Body Types. For Infant Souls, Mode, Attitude, Body Types, Goals. These, again, are tendencies, and not standards. All of this information shared today would require another round of discussion for elaboration, but this is a start. To help you in assessing your Core Pattern, we will offer a kind of phrase that may help: My life is built and shaped around/by my A) Philosophies/Perspectives, B) Ambitions/Pursuits, C) Relationships/Intimacies, or D) Behaviors and Health, which is supported by or challenged by my A) Philosophies/Perspectives, B) Ambitions/Pursuits, C)Relationships/Intimacies, or D) Behaviors and Health,.... and plays out most obviously in my A) Philosophies/Perspectives, B) Ambitions/Pursuits, C)Relationships/Intimacies, or D)Behaviors and Health, and is sometimes/often corrected by, processed by, or altered by my A) Philosophies/Perspectives, B) Ambitions/Pursuits, C) Relationships/Intimacies, or D) Behaviors and Health. Using that crude phrasing, each of you might be able to share what you feel is your Core Pathway as you understand it currently. To make it easier, you can simply post the lettering associated with the various components. [Maureen] So the 'arrangement' of your Core 'package' would account for the order of what is 'cascaded' when one brings back their True Personality from their False? For example: A/B/C/D [TimW] I'm thinking mine: A/D/C/B Yes, Maureen. [Elaine] acbd [Oscar] A/D/B/C [Martha] A/B/C/D? For instance, if one has a pattern of A, B, C, D, and it has come to a place where the body's health (d) is reflecting the states of A, B, C, then the process of healing would begin with the Attitude, and then the Goal, and then the Relationships, before the body might show obvious recovery. This would not be the case in every blip of illness, but for those that alter the life in some way. [Maureen] I think I'm standard ~ A/B/C/D [Jill] ACDB [ClaireC] *A/D/C/B ? [Elaine] I am unsure about if I'm ACBD or ACDB If you would like to be clearer, translate your post into more relevant correspondences: A = A (attitude), B = G (goal), C = M (mode) D = B (body type). So your pattern may be A, G, M, B in this case. Now that you have this information, you may take it and use it over your next week or so as you observe the patterns of your life, and see if your first assessment is still accurate. [Mstudent_al] I think i'm AGMB; B in behavior more then health The information shared here is to allow for you to do the "work" part of "workshop." There is far more to this information that is available for elaboration, such as a more comprehensive definition of Core, Support, Seed, and Calibration Overleaves, as well as what it would mean for the Goal, Mode, Attitude, or Body Type to be in those positions. In addition to the elaborations, we will also mention that one's Core Pattern affects how one provokes or is provoked by another fragment's Core Pattern, and we can share more on that, later. Understanding your Core Pattern can help you to see the hows, whys, and whats of your experiences so that you can more effectively determine how, why, and what you experience. [Elaine] Karoliina received the following information regarding the process of solidifying of overleaves during 2nd IM. "During the 2nd Internal Monad, the first of the Overleaves will begin to manifest, and this will set the stage for the general arc of the entire lifetime. For instance, if the Attitude sets first, then the life would take on a more philosophical or Intellectual tone; whereas if the Mode is activated, then the life may bring more emphasis to the themes of relationships and intimacy, while the Goal would bring a life focused more on the gaining of experiences for the point of that Goal." Would that be different or connected to the core overleaf? Would the overleaf that manifests first during the 2nd IM always be the core overleaf, or not necessarily? What you quoted from us is an elaboration without the context that we were able to share with you today. During the 2nd Internal Monad, the Core Pattern begins its arc of manifestation through the Personality, which may or may not set the stage for a challenging lifetime. If the Core Pattern is A/G/M/B, and the pattern initiates as G, then this becomes part of the process of the 3rd and 4th Internal Monad for alignment with the Core. [Elaine] So it is the core pattern which would manifest first during the 2nd internal monad? ANY pattern can initially manifest, but it may not be aligned with the Core Pattern already in place, however, for the older souls, the Core is usually manifested during that time as it is already set. This is why it becomes a far more comprehensive project in designing and planning the lifetime the older the soul gets, because imprinting and too many random factors can affect the development of the Personality in ways that can be very difficult to recover from. But there are always parallel versions of the Personality that may do better than others, in terms of aligning with its Core Pattern. The farther the Personality from its Core, the less the Essence is allowed into the life, and Essence must "wait" until the life is over for the experiences to be collected from that Personality. [Oscar] You mentioned: "a Spiritualist interprets life as a spectrum of Possibilities." How do the other Attitudes interpret life? The Spiritualist might be best understood as interpreting life as if he has never seen it before; the Stoic interprets life as if he has seen it all before; the Skeptic interprets life as if it can all be disproven; the Idealist interprets life as if it can all be improved; the Cynic interprets life the opposite of what it appears to be; the Realist interprets life as it appears to be; the Pragmatist will use whatever interpretation is most effective (or dogmatic). [Maureen] Is the pattern always the same - forwards and backwards - from False back to True and so on...i.e. A/M/G/B towards True and then B/G/M/A towards False? Is it that predictable? Think of the Core Pattern in the same way that body, itself, processes life: food must be taken in and moves through a pattern before releasing what is not of use. So the Core Pattern is just as static, in terms of how it best functions for Essence to manifest. However, as with even the Physical Body, the process does not have to be entirely static, but those times when it is not, the alteration is usually to accommodate an extreme scenario, such as one who may have to have food provided intravenously instead of through chewing. One's Core Pattern is how one naturally uses the Personality for the processing of Life, and using the Personality in its inherent pattern frees it for manifestation of Essence, but only if it chooses to use this inherent pattern. No Personality is required to do so, and its happiness or lack thereof is not dependent upon it; it just tends to be "easier" when allowed. Ironically, it is far more effort to override the Core Pattern than it is to use it, but many people choose to create from themselves someone else' idea about who they should be, rather than naturally being who they are. To fall back into the Core Pattern is a great relief for the bank of energy each of you have for use in a lifetime, which is a finite amount of energy, by the way. If 40% of your energy is being used to sustain someone else' idea of who you should be, this is 40% of your energy that is not being used for creating/nurturing what it is you truly desire. To be more specific in response to your question, it is only the Core that is necessary for concern when focusing on bringing the Personality back into True Personality. So if the Personality's Core is the Attitude, then to focus on bringing the Attitude back into the Positive Pole would naturally cascade through the rest of the Pattern. There is not a real "pattern" for manifesting False Personality, except in that the predominance of Negative Poles describes the degree to which one is manifesting the False Personality. And if there is a pattern, it would tend to be that if the Core is the Attitude, and it falls into the Negative Pole, it would then cascade through the rest of the Core Pattern. The Pathways tend to be unidirectional, and tend to start with the Core, but because they are connected like electrical pathways, the "currents," technically, could travel in either direction in effect. The same could be said of the pathways of the body: inserting something into the anus can cause the mouth to respond. We will conclude here with you today.
  4. OMW - Aug 7, 2010 - Me and My Karma Troy Tolley, Channel (Note: At the end, the enthusiasm of asking more questions kept on. Troy is supposed to answer those questions. glb) [MEntity] The subject of Karma can be broken down into the two familiar categories of Karma: Self-Karma and Essence-Karma. Most of our students use the term "Karma" to mean that Karma generated between Essences, or Soul-Karma. But these are two distinct categories of Karma: Self-Karma and Soul-Karma, or Essence-Karma, if you prefer to keep with terminology familiar to our teaching. Karma, regardless of category, is a word that describes an imbalance generated from INTENSITY. The degree to which that Intensity is initially experienced is the degree to which that Karma is sub-categorized further within its own category: Major, Minor, and Sundry. This applies even to the category of Self-Karma. The difference between Self-Karma and Soul-Karma is that one is generated on a scale that is contained within the single lifetime and the current Personality, and the other is on a scale that transcends any particular lifetime or Personality. Self-Karma is generated within a lifetime, is contained within that lifetime, and is either resolved, or not, within that lifetime. Motion in this universe is a result of imbalance, so it could be said that Karma is one of the major evolutionary tools that is used by consciousness to grow and move forward. Aside from Essence Recognition, Karma is one of the only ways through which an Essence does evolve, hence its popularity and appeal, despite how messy or painful it can often be to the Personalities involved. Self-Karma is generated within oneself when one begins to generate issues, interpretations, and/or conflicts that divide oneself in a way that pits part of the self against another part. These Self-Karma may be generated from a burst of Intensity or from a build of Intensity, but it is the Intensity that generates the Karma. An extreme of polarities is what generates the Intensity. We know that most of you are familiar with much of the basics we will share here, but for a succinct delivery here, we will not presume to skip those basics. Soul-Karma is generated between one's Essence and another Essence when Intensity generates Imbalance between oneself and another. The key ingredient within all Karma is INTERFERENCE; more specifically, Interference of Choice. Self-Karma and Soul-Karma are not generated without some degree of Interference of Choice. This is obvious on the scale of Soul-Karma, but it is not as obvious on the scale of Self-Karma. On the scale of Self-Karma, those divisions within the self must be interfering with your own capacity to choose for it to be Self-Karma. And so it is that those three elements must be involved for true Karma to have been generated: INTENSITY, IMBALANCE, and INTERFERENCE. One can have an issue with body image, and not have Self-Karma if those three elements are not involved. One can murder another person and not generate Karma if those three elements are not involved. An example of the former might be one who does not enjoy being overweight, and so he keeps himself on a strict exercise routine. He still has body image "issues," but he is actively choosing how to deal with that. An example of the latter might be in the form of euthanasia wherein the very act of murder is embraced. We give those as obvious examples, but there are more complex examples that may not be as easy to understand. In the end, however awful or complicated an issue or event may be, it may or may not involve Karma. Karma is a very personal thing, if you will. [Geraldine] Are the tit-for-tat External Monads karmic? [MEntity] They may or may not be. They are often excellent contexts for Karma, so most often they are Karmic in generation or resolution, but that is not necessary. When one generates Soul-Karma, we describe the record of that imbalance between two Essences as a "Ribbon." We use that term because it almost-literally describes what remains between two Essences when Karma is generated. From an Astral and Causal perspective, one can see literal ribbons stretching among fragments still entangled in Karma. Since there is no physicality as you experience it, those Ribbons do not get snared or entangled with other ribbons, but remain stretched only between those who have generated them. They are more like frequencies than anything, and lock onto each involved. These are "connected" between the Instinctive Centers, or the Root Chakra. At the end of each lifetime, the Instinctive Center is the only Center that remains, with all other data from the other Centers burned to that disc, and this is "pulled" from the body much like a disc from a computer, and carried forth to be used for review, and in the next lifetime. When that disc is "plugged into" a new life, it does not inherently demand that the new Personality burn the Ribbons that have carried over. And this is very important to understand if one is to understand the nature of Choice and Free Will. One is NEVER affected by Past Lives, and one is NEVER obligated to burn Ribbons generated by a previous Personality. Instead, the current Personality will develop its own interests and directions and choices, and those will act as a kind of play of notes within the lifetime that then may resonate with a past life, and resonate with relevant Karmic Ribbons. [Bobby] sure seems like a lot of chance at play there [AnnH] Do we need to burn our ribbons, however, to cycle off the physical--move beyond the 7th Old and reunite with our Entity? That's been my understanding. [MEntity] So the Past is never imposed upon the Present, but the Present pulls in from the past what is relevant. This same equation applies from within a single lifetime. Your childhood never truly imposes itself upon your adulthood, but your adulthood may draw from childhood what is relevant for the present. To address Bobby and AnnH: Therein lies the art of creating a Personality. Essence learns over time how to create a Personality that is more inclined toward certain themes and interests, and while chance may still be involved, it does help the odds of at least one version (parallel) choosing to be open to the past and Ribbons. The 6th Level of every Soul Age inherently finds interest in the past and begins opening to Karmic Ribbons and the search for balance. As many Ribbons as possible are burned during each 6th Level, but not all get burned and then carry forth into the next Soul Age. ALL Major and Minor Karma will be burned before cycling off from the Physical Plane. By the time one is 7th Level Old, not only has most Karma already been addressed, but what might remain is mostly conceptual or emotional and can be done in dream state. Karmic Ribbons are also burned by generating very appealing pay offs for getting involved. [Bobby] I knew it... bribes! :-) [MEntity] For instance, Sex Karma is a very common, beloved, dramatic lure into burning a Ribbon. This is when one "falls in love" only to find that the one with whom one has had this lovely bonding suddenly springs a Ribbon up for burning. Karmic Ribbons, once brought up, are extremely compelling, much like being on the down-side of a hill on ice. [Brian_W] well, that explains most of the male gender [AnnH] Not just men, Brian. I've been on that slippery slope :) [MEntity] It is difficult to break the momentum once one has begun burning a Ribbon. Once the Ribbon is burned in Sex Karma, the partner suddenly seems like a stranger and one can hardly remember why one would ever be attracted to that person. [AnnH] What is Sex Karma, actually? [MEntity] As mentioned before, there are levels of Karma within Karma, so that there are Physical, Emotional, Intellectual, and Spiritual Karma. These are defined by technicalities, but they are often involving more than one of those areas. For instance, an Intellectual Karma may be when one has been tricked into thinking an investment is brilliant. Technically, this is a Conceptual Karma (Intellectual), but one can see that this will also affect one Emotionally and Physically. But for purposes of simplicity in burning Ribbons, the default context will always go to that technicality. Ann: Within those Karmic Contexts, there are lures that are set up for Personalities to find appealling in pulling up and addressing Karmic Ribbons. One of those lures is Sex. We refer to that as Sex Karma. There are a multitude of lures used. Money Karma, Sex Karma, Love Karma, Affection Karma, Acceptance Karma, Specialness Karma, Talent Karma, Power Karma. Depending on the Soul Age and the Personality, certain lures are planted and appealing over others. Despite our calling them 'lures,' it is important to point out that however compelling a Ribbon may be, one may reject the burning of that Ribbon, so one still has Choice. [Brian_W] But wasn't it just stated that it was much more difficult to stop the burning of a Ribbon once it has started? [MEntity] Much more difficult is not the same thing as lacking choice. [AnnH] Is it more difficult for the one who owes the karma to stop the burning than the one who is owed? [MEntity] It must be a mutual exchange. There are many times when one has set up for the burning of a ribbon "owed" to someone, and that person is not interested in taking that on. Balancing a Karma is just as disruptive as creating one. Or we should say, CAN BE. Continuing: Major Karma is that Karma which affects all levels of one's Being: Physical, Emotional, Intellectual, and Spiritual. Minor Karma is that which affects from one to three levels. Sundry Karma is the only Karma that does not actually qualify as Karma, but is included because it is treated the same when it is involved. Sundry Karma never interferes with Choice, but interferes with intentions. It is still an Intensity and Imbalance and Interference, and so is treated as Karma. [Brian_W] would Sundry be considered "those mild annoyances of life?" [MEntity] For instance, you are excited about your wedding and have hired a hairdresser who chops off your bangs and burns your scalp just before the wedding. This is a survivable event on all levels, but certain throws a wrench into the life in a way that generates Imbalance, Intensity, and Interference. Sundry Karma is the only Karma that is not compelling to balance. You may never get to burn off the hair of that hairdresser in another life. Sundry Karma is also often balanced WITHIN the current lifetime and does not carry over. So that the Wedding Fiasco is balanced by a lawsuit or non-payment, etc. All Karma is Imbalance, so all Burning of Ribbons is Balance. To burn a ribbon, or to resolve Self-Karma, the process is always Tri-fold. NEGATIVE-POSITIVE-NEUTRAL, or POSITIVE-NEGATIVE-NEUTRAL. Always resolving in Neutrality. Most "negative" Karma, or those Karma that do not feel so great, are generated from Positive-Negative direction, and received from the Negative-Positive direction. For instance: the one who murders is coming from the Positive-Negative angle, while the one who is murdered receives from the Negative-Positive angle. To bring balance, those polarities must be reversed between the two. [Maureen] In the initial murder - what's the positive and what's the negative? [MEntity] Murderer=Positive since this is the person who activated/created the Karma. Positive in this case is used as the active force, whereas Negative is the receptive. [Maureen] polarities [MEntity] We are not using the terms as describing "good or bad." For most "positive" Karma, or that Karma which feels good, the reverse is true: it is initiated from Negative-Positive, and received as Positive-Negative. This is because most "positive" Karma, such as Philanthropic Karma, is an act of GIVING, not TAKING, and the recipient is Expanded by the experience, rather than Contracted. However, it is still Karmic because it is still Intensity, Imbalance, and Interference. Consider a fragment who is poor who has decided to live a life inspired by his experiences as a resource for his art. Upon having his first attempts at art discovered, a philanthropic gentleman funds the artist entirely, removing all obstacles and challenges that had initially inspired the artist. The artist is certainly not harmed, but does experience his loss of inspiration and artistic motivation, and while his life is for the better on many levels, he still experiences Intensity, Imbalance, and Interference because now he has a new life that was not anticipated or chosen. This same reversal of Polarities for balancing is important for understanding how to resolve Self-Karma, too. And it is also important to understand that Self-Karma also has such instances of "negative" or "positive" Karma, in that some feel good and others do not. "Negative" Self-Karma is obvious as body type issues, habits, addictions, etc. [Private] The artist though, in this instance, is not a victim. He did have a choice, did he not? And he chose to be helped. Maybe I'm just mincing words here. [MEntity] "Positive" Self-Karma can show up as winning the Lottery, having a completely fulfilling intimate relationship, and even having a beautiful day. In response to Private, it is true that he would have had to have chosen to receive the money, but that does not mean he could have anticipated the effects of that, much in the same way that one may "choose" to invest money in a false promise, only to find total loss. [Private] Thanks for the clarification, it was a little cryptic for me initially. [MEntity] The idea of money being a solution for so many problems is very enticing for many in your culture, so to have a windfall of sorts can often throw the life into a spin that could never have been anticipated, and does not solve any of the problems that exist beyond the paying of bills, or the having of certain things. [Private] Right on. [MEntity] In the same way that many have thought that suicide ends emotional despair, only to discover that those emotions are carried over even into the afterlife, so do many who think that money can solve the problems of life find that only new problems arise and old problems fester, even as the bills are now paid. Now, to lead into more personal territory, we will point out that despite the balancing of Karma, either Self- or Soul-, there tend to be patterns for each fragment. Infant Souls generate mostly Spiritual Karma, Baby Souls generate mostly Intellectual Karma, Young Souls generate the most Physical Karma, while Mature Souls generate mostly Emotional Karma. Old Souls tend to move from the emphasis on Soul-Karma toward Self-Karma. Those are patterns, but they are not rules. Across those Patterns, there can tend to be the patterns of Karma specific to a Fragment. [AnnH] I think money is physical. I'm betting Young (Maddoff). [MEntity] Yes, this was technically a Physical Karma in that case, though, of course, it touched on all levels, and is therefore a Major Karma. Each of you have found certain patterns across your incarnations as "fascinating" patterns for exploration in Karma. [Brian_W] I'm curious what those are, even if "I" as a personality didn't create them. [MEntity] For instance, even though one may learn as an Infant Soul what the effects of murder are, and the subsequent balancing of that, one might then murder again as Baby, Young, Mature, so as to experience it from all Soul Ages. As an Old Soul, those patterns can often turn into Self-Karmic explorations. We will share our perspective of each of your patterns as we can see on record for your past incarnations. ANN appears to have a large pattern that revisited the Karma generated from PILLAGING. BOBBY appears to have a large pattern that revisited the Karma generated from WRONGFUL IMPRISONMENT. BRIAN has a larger pattern that revisited the Karma generated from RAPE. Private has a larger pattern that revisited the Karma generated from POISONING. GERALDINE has a larger pattern that revisited the Karma generated from MIND FUCK. MARTHA has a larger pattern that revisited the Karma generated from ABDUCTION, or Kidnapping. MAUREEN has a larger pattern that revisited the Karma generated from LYING. Each of those patterns are not limited to your initial ideas prompted by the term. [AnnH] I get it, if you look at it differently than just physical pillaging. [Brian_W] uh, can't get too more specific with mine. [Geraldine] actually, it can be mental and physical, Brian. [Geraldine] it's taking something with force. [MEntity] None of these terms are specific other than their larger context that includes all versions of that word. [Bobby] If I'm understanding this, these are things we have done or have had done to us? [Geraldine] and I can see why you'd have a Life Task of "intimacy" -- rape is the antithesis of intimacy. [AnnH] wow, yes. [Geraldine] well, both, Bobby -- a pattern would imply payback, too. [MEntity] For instance, POISONING may be literally poisoning another into death, but we include the times when anything physical, emotional, intellectual, or spiritual was sneaked into another without their consent in a way that caused harm. [Private] that happened this lifetime, did it not emotionally, with my mother's actions? [MEntity] Keep in mind that if we are accurate in our assessment, one should be able to see these patterns reflected in your Self-Karma, in some form. [AnnH] I'm having trouble seeing it in my case. I have a feeling, but I'm not quite sure how it works with Self Karma. [Geraldine] sort of bending over backwards to NOT do it? [Bobby] your accuracy is also validated from the humor we find in it/ourselves. [MEntity] Ann, yours may show up in issues that revolve around what is rightfully yours vs what you think/feel is rightfully yours. Be it positions of recognition, fulfilling relationships, material well-being, etc. [Maureen] I think Geraldine hit on something - I have had the urge and did so all my life - to be so honest it hurt me many times. [AnnH] Ok. Now it just went from funny to painful. [MEntity] Geraldine, yes, often that is the case in these larger patterns: one is either extremely repulsed by association with it, and/or extremely fascinated by it. For instance, Troy's larger pattern is TORTURE. He is actively fighting against all forms of harm against innocent animals and people, yet his favorite genre of film is Horror. Maureen, we would agree with your assessment. Keep in mind that these patterns are not generated because of some kind of morbid interest, but because the exploration adds to the eventual resolve of those experiences for others, as well. [AnnH] I can see this with my creative work, in terms of Self-Karma. [Private] Could you elucidate more about my pattern of poisoning? This life it certainly showed up emotionally by my mother's treatment of me, did it not? And subsequently, the Self-karmic issues with my Realist Attitude. [Brian_W] so how does one work through it, knowing that we get extremely repulsed and / or fascinated by it? [Brian_W] as for me, as soon as I saw it come across my screen, its like the laughter and everything else died inside - rather suddenly too I might add. [MEntity] For instance, the pattern of RAPE is explored by Brian as a contribution to the learning in this universe about the range between literal Rape, all the way to the gentle comprehension and consideration of boundaries that may exist, even if one does not think they should. [Geraldine] but, I think, truly, that your Life Task of intimacy is tied to this pattern -- it's how you perceive being able to be "other." [Bobby] As for me, I'm like, if it balances it out, bring it on baby, bring it on! [Maureen] You Warriors and your challenges! [AnnH] Man, I can feel the domino effect of this all the way through this life. [Bobby] Now, I want to schedule another private with a list of names :-) [MEntity] In response to Brian: to the extent that one is still personally offended by the term we chose may be the extent to which one is in the middle of resolving issues related to that term. The extent to which one could laugh is also an indication as to how far one may have come in resolving, though still recognizing, the experiences related to the term. [Geraldine] I can feel the attraction/repulsion -- being able to perceive others' mindfucks -- absolutely no desire to do one of my own -- other than "maybe" as pranksterisms [Brian_W] Oh I absolutely understood why I was offended by it, it's still the easiest way to make me want to hit the "abort" button and run. [Maureen] Lying and Deception are still a Hot Button for me (well maybe used to be - could be old emotions!) [Geraldine] also, Brian, in our culture, it's considered far more heinous in many ways -- you're conditioned to be more reactive. [MEntity] (BRIAN) To resolve the issues related to the term we chose would mean simply continuing to do what you are doing. There are no shortcuts. In your case, in this current lifetime, it appears to us that the key would be in losing any sense of offense when boundaries are clarified for you. If boundaries are not easy for you to discern on your own, then it is important to receive feedback from others when that is offered, and that has to be seen as a resource of information, not as a source of offense. In response to Private: your interpretation of the term Poisoning appears to be fair, and your resolution would come from the fact that you are aware of the "poisoning." The key to the Poisoning as a pattern of Karma is that it was often injected without the awareness of the one who was poisoned (literally or figuratively). In your case, you are aware of the poisoning and have the opportunity to generate, find, or create an antidote. [Private] As you know, I'm working on it really hard. [AnnH] Somehow I feel like "pillaging" is what happened in some way to my work as a writer. It feels like anything I do is going to be taken and decimated. [MEntity] Private, that is all that one can do, actually. To continue to work through it. [Bobby] and in my case? :-) [MEntity] There are no shortcuts. [Bobby] how does one balance false-imprisonment except to be falsely imprisoned? [MEntity] To Bobby: your pattern may show up in issues around feeling trapped, isolated, or stuck in a position that is beyond your capacity to free yourself. Your resolution would come through the realization of CHOICE, and the responsibilities that the word implies. [Bobby] I completely understand that, thanks! [MEntity] The range that we include under "False Imprisonment" is between the obvious, literal wrongful imprisonment, to the act of blaming others for effects that were not of their cause. [Geraldine] After Martha's followup -- I'd like to know the difference between Mindfuck and lying -- or is it more of a power and control use? [MEntity] We will quickly leave each of you with our assessment of where you are in terms of your resolving your outstanding Karma in both Self- and Soul- levels. [Bobby] I sometimes feels I am enduring an at home imprisonment due to my lack of options... it makes sense. [MEntity] Our assessment will be in terms of percentages as we calculate how much Karma is outstanding versus how much is resolved. This assessment will be limited to the current life in terms of what it has intended (at this point) to take on. Before that, we will respond to the two remaining questions: In response to Martha: We use the term ABDUCTION to include the range between obvious stealing of another human being against his or her will, all the way to seduction and infidelity. This may show up in the current life as issues related to the latter, in terms of how much power Martha may feel she has in context of winning others over, even in specific cases related to seduction and being seductive, attractive, alluring, etc. In response to Geraldine: Mind Fuck is rooted Spiritually, whereas Lying is Intellectual. Mind Fuck is about convincing another to completely betray himself, whereas Lying is about betraying another. PERSONAL ASSESSMENTS: keep in mind that these are not competitive numbers, but relative numbers, and the higher the number is no indication of "better" or "worse." Keep in mind that one may have resolved 99% of his Self-Karma, yet still be consumed by that 1%. ANN has burned 79% of any Major or Minor Karma for this lifetime, and has resolved approximately 82% of her Self-Karma. BOBBY has burned 98% of his Major and Minor Karma for this lifetime, and has resolved approximately 65% of his Self-Karma. Brian has burned 60% of his Major and Minor Karma for this lifetime and has resolved approximately 80% of his Self-Karma. Private has resolved 77% of her Major and Minor Karma for this lifetime and has resolved 40% of her Self-Karma. Geraldine has resolved 100% of her Major and Minor Karma for this lifetime, and has resolved approximately 79% of her Self-Karma. Martha has resolved 89% of her Major and Minor Karma for this lifetime, and has resolved 90% of her Self-Karma. Maureen has resolved 99% of her Major and Minor Karma for this lifetime, and has resolved 85% of her Self-Karma. Again, keep in mind these numbers and our math are relative in calculation. [AnnH] Relative to...? [Geraldine] It just goes to show: a) have a misspent youth; and 2) live long enough -- and it all works out. [AnnH] Guess I got some livin' to do :) [MEntity] For instance, Geraldine remains with only two self-Karmic issues, but they account for only about 6 that were addressed in this life. [Geraldine] okok -- what are they? [MEntity] "Being Right" and "Being Needed." [Geraldine] lol [AnnH] hehehehe [Geraldine] ok -- I wouldn't have looked there, but those ARE a "bingo!" [Brian_W] eh, self-karma - you won't have to worry about them after this life anyway. [Maureen] What is my 1% of Soul-Karma left? [MEntity] We must conclude here, but your questions do not have to conclude here. We (and Troy) invite you to post your final questions that you would like to have addressed in the final transcript. Do so now, and start that line with QUESTION in all caps before the question. We will conclude with a response to Maureen: The 1% we see as remaining might be described as the issues related to "BEING USEFUL" or "Being Helpful." We will conclude here. Good day to each of you. Goodbye. [Private] QUESTION: Would you break down my Self-Karmic issues? Additionally, any help would be appreciated on major/minor Karma have not completed this lifetime. [AnnH] QUESTION: Could you tell me about "pillaging" in the context of "what's rightfully mine vs. what I think/feel is rightfully mine"? [Brian_W] QUESTION: What is the rest of my major / minor karma and Self-Karma in this life, and is it correct that my particular life task, true studies, and karmic history (in this life and others) are all tied together? [Bobby] Martha Question: What soul karma do I have left? [Maureen] QUESTION: Would you break down my Self Karmic Issues, please? [AnnH] QUESTION: Would you break down my self-karmic issues, too? [Bobby] Question: with 98% major and minor complete, what do I have left? At Old Soul 1, it doesn't seem like there is a lot left to do there. [Geraldine] Manoman . . .I'm convinced that Troy's first book should be on the topic of karma -- it's the most complex issue that I've seen [Geraldine] Bobby -- that was phrased "for this life" [Geraldine] not for ALL lives [Bobby] oh! [AnnH] QUESTION: How often have I chosen not to deal with burning Soul Karma ribbons in this lifetime? Eg., abrogated the opportunity? [Bobby] 1st part still applies though [Brian_W] Not a question, but any thoughts or commentary on how we may consider working through those karmas would be useful as well [Geraldine] you don't get to "volunteer" for karma, per se -- the essences sorta lay it out for you and you get lured in [Brian_W] Geraldine, it's also a topic that would sell well [Private] QUESTION: Is the unresolved major/minor karma have to do with those people in Santa Barbara at the time I met my essence twin, Sabrina? Namely, Jerg Jergensen and his friend? Also, Prasanna's household with Beni and Mary? [Geraldine] especially since so many are taught first in their learning curve that karma is "punishment" [Geraldine] I've also seen some good stuff that karma is still a "you create your own reality" construct, too [AnnH] Do these percentages relate to what Soul-Karma we thought we'd take on this lifetime? [Brian_W] true, I'm still curious what the Philanthropic Karma has been that I've generated over the centuries. [Geraldine] yes, Ann -- Michael prefaced it that way. [AnnH] That's an interesting one, Brian. [Brian_W] might be a good way to counter-balance the thoughts of "bad horrible mean karma." [Geraldine] Our assessment will be in terms of percentages as we calculate how much Karma is outstanding versus how much is resolved. This assessment will be limited to the current life in terms of what it has intended (at this point) to take on. (Note from Kasia: I've included comments from the original post with additional channelled information.) Comment from Troy on August 28, 2015: MIKE S WROTE: I can't quite reconcile these two statements. 1: 'Much of what happens after birth is out of the hands of Essence, so to speak, and a matter of choice, decisions, or lack thereof relative to the Personality.' 2: 'One is NEVER affected by Past Lives, and one is NEVER obligated to burn Ribbons generated by a previous Personality.' TROY REPLIES: Actually, these statements dovetail completely. Try this: 1) after you are born, choice is handed over to Personality. 2) Personality can choose to pick up the ribbons of previous Personality choices/karma, but that's optional, even if compelling. The key here is that Karma and themes/threads are compelling. It is all very enticing. So even though "you" are never obligated to pick up the thread of themes or the ribbons of Karma started by another Personality, those themes and ribbons and the payoff of completing or balancing these is oh so enticing. In very simplistic terms, imagine that one Personality-A walks into a room and bumps a picture hanging on the wall so that it now hangs crooked. Personality-A leaves the room. Now Personality-B walks in and that picture on the wall is crooked, and sure, you can ignore it, but ohhhh mannn, it's so crooked! So you reach out and balance it. Okay, so that's not as complicated as messy Karma, but you get the idea. As for how infant and toddler lifetimes work with Karma, Michael has said this: How do we handle Karma that is created as children? What happens when children are harmed or killed? MICHAEL: Karma is always optional for a Personality, regardless of age. If intensity and interference of choice is registered, Karma is generated. It will not matter if the Personality is fully present, or not. Essence tracks Karma. Personalities do not. Personalities help to generate Karma, forgive Karma, balance Karma, but they do not track Karma. If a child is murdered, the Personality may not have been awake enough to register the event as Karma, but Essence is fully aware, and this interference and intensity is immediately assessed. If a child is abused, tortured, or harmed in a way that interferes with Choice, Essence manages this. This is true of adults, as well, who are not with full cognitive capacity, or mentally unstable. The Personalities are a great part of the dynamic, but Essence has the clearest picture and does the tracking. This is true between Essences, as well. It is a given that any imbalance, intensity, and interference of choice generated in a life is part of what Essences must negotiate and consider across lifetimes. Karma is between Essences, not Personalities, and this is why any lifetime can bring the balance. While it is true that Karma is between Essences, the Personalities that generate Karma are directly involved in the balancing, either through a direct and intimate link to the current Personality doing the balancing, or through Astral replication of that balance. In other words, no Personality can walk away from its Karma. The intensity must be experienced from "both sides" for the Personality to burn that Ribbon. In lifetimes through the Young Soul Age, this balance most often comes in terms of "eye for an eye," but as the Essences mature, the interference of choice is not balanced by a reverse scenario of interference of choice, but is balanced through the return of choice. If one was murdered, then the balance is not found by murdering. Instead, the older souls will set up a scenario where the life is saved, and choices are expanded because of that saving of life. An abuse of a child in a previous life might be balanced by an adoption that provides profound nurturing. And so on. I hope this helps. [Note: It does not appear that participant questions at the end of the session were ever publicly answered.]
  5. NYC Live: On Current Events July 14, 2011 Note from Janet: This session was transcribed by Elaine and Eric from a live recording. MEntity: We are here now. It will take a little bit of time for us to come through smoothly, so bear with us if we pause in awkward moments in our responses. Hello to each of you. We understand the context of our exchange with you today will be current events, and what we will do first is speak to you a bit about that context so that the parameters of discussion are more defined, as well as having some dimension added to the context. We would define current events as anything that is happening in the world on some scale that is relevant to you now. In fact, it might be more accurate to call them relevant events rather than current events, because the time frames for events that are relevant for you are not necessarily so current, and of course our perception of what is current is very different from yours. The reason current events are something worth exploring is because they often give insight into what is happening with your species and with your collective consciousness. There are a lot of things happening in the world and only a portion of those come to your awareness, and now that there are so many avenues with which you can access information and current events, it is even more telling what it is that comes through to you. You are no longer just dependent on radio stations or limited broadcasts or even word of mouth, but you can actively go out and find information. What you seek and what makes its way through to you has some bearing on your world view, and where you find yourself in relation to the rest of your species. Often, current events, or events happening in the world, are polarized in their meaning and they play out the extremes in a way that we can most simply describe as the spectrum between love and fear. So what you are drawn to usually resonates to issues that you are working on relative to your capacity to love, and issues that represent your issues relative to your fears. Usually the things that fall in-between those personalized holes doesn't make it through to you or, if it does, is dismissed. And so looking at what you are drawn to in the media — and this would include films, this will include music, this doesn't just include the news – can give you great insight into where you are in your participation with humanity, and how you find yourself represented in the world. In general, a lot of what makes the news and becomes relevant to you makes the news and becomes relevant because it plays upon the three levels of truth that we have talked about in the past. The more collective a species becomes, the more cohesive it becomes. Or, in other words, the more it matures in soul age collectively, the more it begins to examine its truths on a personal level, on a global level and on a universal level. So a great deal of what happens in the media and in the news and what you are drawn to represents your process of those three levels of truth, what it means to you personally, how you understand what it means to everyone else, and how it represents the more universal truths such as love and fear, and truth itself, and energy or beauty. So with that in mind as a foundation for looking deeper, as we look at the various subjects you might bring up we might circle back to what we just shared to give examples. And with that, we'll open the floor to questions from you about current events, and you may ask in whatever order comes from your group. [Comment] Well okay, so I would like to know if Casey Anthony killed her daughter and, if so, why? MEntity: At this point we cannot answer that question any more accurately than you can. The Intensity of such dynamics that are being played out, especially when it comes to karmic dynamics, are difficult for us to read because we do not have access to the details of an individual or a group's Karma until it is played out, until it is completed. The reason we do not have access to it is because it could incur Karma for us to provide that information for people who are in the middle of it. And therefore, not only is it not accessible in many cases, but we also refrain from exploring it to any extent that might incur Karma. We cannot incur Karma from where we are. [Question] Are any of us in the room involved in this Karmic event? MEntity: No, but that will not change our ability to access it. When a situation is unfolding that is within the process of burning or creating Karmic ribbons, our access to the details is quite limited. For your information or for those involved, this is because ... for instance, imagine that you have a karmic ribbon with another fragment who owes you, so to speak, a murder. If we were to share with you that you have a karmic ribbon with an individual who owes you a murder, the impact on your psyche could potentially be to such an extent that it generates a ribbon between us, or at least the channel and you, do you understand? [Comment] Yeah, I understood that from before when we had the issue where we obviously had Karma. MEntity: However, we can answer questions around the question of if she did or did not and we can say that this is a Karmic situation that is playing out, which is one of the reasons why it is such a fascination for the public, because it does resonate with not only the human drama in general, but those who have gone through this before in other lives. They are watching to see how others process this. It is quite interesting for most fragments to watch, to see how another group plays out such an intense drama. For the older souls, we would say that this subject has not been so interesting because you have “been there, done that.” You have murdered your children, you have accidentally killed your children, you have accidentally been killed by your parents or caretakers, and you're rather neutral about the subject. Those who are not so neutral about it, and are polarized, have probably not played out both sides of that scenario yet in terms of incarnations. We cannot say whether she killed her daughter or not, but we know that she was involved to such an extent that this appears to be a ribbon that is burning, a burning of a ribbon, as part of the dynamic that we can see. Within a short period of time — 6 months to a year — included in this dynamic is a confession that will clarify everything, because that is part of what we can see as the flip side of the original initiation of this Karma. The why of it we can answer as well, that it does not appear to have been intentional, the death itself. And that is the best we can do with the details. [Comment] Thank you. [Question] Can you comment on the unrest in China, some of what we've been seeing a lot of (protests) recently, and also in the context of the transition of the leadership, and their path towards democracy. MEntity: For quite some time that particular area of the world has been where most of the Servers have been incarnating, and things have been fairly passive in that regard. Cultures such as the United States have been lacking the incarnation of servers, which has contributed to some of the breakdown of family and the redefining of family, and this is part of what happens when a culture is shifting or emphasizing the Young Soul consciousness. The Young Soul paradigm is “I can do it myself,” and so Servers do not have a great deal of positions to be in except to be subservient. Not all Servers are interested in simply being subservient or exploited, and Young Souls can tend to do this. So Servers moved away from the United States, for instance, as it went through its Young Soul phase, and congregated in China, or at least in that general area. However, as the United States begins to mature and shift into Mature Soul consciousness, the Mature Souls then shift the paradigm from “I can do it all myself” to “Let me do it for you,” or “Let me help you.” As the empathy begins to spread, Servers find a more comfortable position again in that kind of paradigm. And so more Servers are coming back to the United States and leaving China. However, those Servers who are still in the incarnational process in China are part of the whole reason for the unrest and uprisings, because the exploited Server either falls into a passive category, and moves into being exploited, or they get, for lack of a better phrase, pissed off, and would begin to lash out and begin to pull the rug out from underneath those who previously depended upon them. Servers know more intimately and in more specific detail what it is that those around them need. It is simply built into the design of that essence. And so if the Servers are maturing in consciousness to a point where they have realized that there is a need for, say, democracy or more freedom, less exploitation, then they will work in that direction to inspire that in those around them. So this is a revolution of Servers that we see unfolding in that area. So many may see the Server role as only being of service, or of a following nature, but they are responsible for some of the major shifts in paradigm because they make up most of the population of the planet. This shift will occur. It is moving towards a Young Soul culture of intolerance towards any kind of restrictions, any kind of cap on the capacity for success, any kind of control over the desires and cravings of those who are incarnating. And so the shift is moving towards a Young Soul paradigm, and that part of the world, as far as we can see, in momentum may rise to what the United States have been for the past many years. [Question] So as a follow up question then. Is it valid to view the momentum of LGBT rights in America and recognizing the importance as part of that shift into the Mature Soul phase? MEntity: Yes. You'll see the Mature Soul paradigm begin play out, as, for instance, represented by your leader, the Priest, Barack Obama, who is a Mature Soul and is using Mature Soul tactics for progress, which requires a great deal of compromise, deliberation and consideration of all aspects and all needs. And so some who have criticized his methods or his tactics and criticized the lack of drive or force are simply seeing a different way of leading. It's going to set a standard for others as well, as the Mature Soul paradigm takes effect. Leadership will no longer be about dictatorship making choices for others, but hearing from all sides and making a choice in the best interest of the most that can possibly be accommodated. Therefore, you will see that in smaller pockets happening around the country, where, in a Mature Soul paradigm, the rights of groups become vital because the consciousness no longer allows for the division, that discrimination in the sense of prejudices. It does not fit into that awareness anymore, because if the Mature Soul rejects you there is a visceral response to that. There is a rejection of the self there is a rejection of a part of you. So to embrace differences, to embrace diversity, to embrace the rights of those around you, is a way of also becoming more whole and of nurturing your own sense of wholeness and evolution. So, yes. [Comment] There was my question. I was gonna ask about why he is so damned wishy washy and not getting anything done for the Democratic Party. MEntity: Yes, it is simply a different method of leadership. Mature Souls do not lead through force. It is through communication, often compromise. [Comment] Well, yes. He's compromised right out of a lot of things MEntity: That is the negative side of negotiation for the Mature Soul, the compromise. We're trying to find the right word for describing the other end of that spectrum, which is something along the lines of harmony. Compromise in this case would be the loss of, or at least the perceived loss of, something for the sake of a group. However, when the negotiations are more harmonious, those losses are not seen as losses. They are perceived as small prices to pay for. [Comment] But unfortunately, he is negotiating with people who are much more Baby Soul oriented, Young Soul oriented, that are demanding and ridiculous, and so … MEntity: That is a valid perception. [Comment] Why thank you. So it's like he is working with a set of rules that he is trying to apply, but since they are playing with their own special set it is like he's just getting stomped on in a lot of ways. So do you think that it will be perceived … because a lot of people are concerned that he won't win the next election. I think he will, but a lot of people think he won't because he's pissing off the left by not doing anything for them, that they want done, they voted him in for, and then the right is just whackadoodle shit. MEntity: Everything that this Priest is doing is more calculated than might be obvious to those who perceive it from a distance because the Priest in the positive pole is compassion, and that translates into empathy. That sense of empathy can be its own curse as well as its own blessing, so to speak, and so the empathy is driving this fragment to explore what is important to everyone. And that can take time, to hear everyone out and to make sure they are heard and understood. But it can also give clues as to what can be done on a larger scale that will allow for the greatest good, or the highest good, because the Priest aims for the highest good, whatever that Priest has decided is the highest good. A Mature Priest will have a hard time imposing a highest good without hearing from everyone involved. [Comment] He only gets 4 years (unclear) MEntity: That is the only obstacle: time. This is a race against time for this fragment because this fragment may find himself in a position where he has to draw lines that are extremely uncomfortable and counter to his intentions. [Question] Otherwise he won't get another 4 years to keep going and working on it? Are you saying that when it gets closer to the election he is going to have to do more things to show he has a pair? MEntity: We would not phrase it in that way. [Comment] But I would. MEntity: We would also say that that would not be from what we can see as this fragment's motivation. It would be more to get done and into place those things that matter, even if it meant not having another 4 years. So the motivation would be to do what can be done in a limited period of time. If that ends up being to the liking of those who will vote, then that may bode well for the election in his favor. And while that is a concern, of course, he would not draw the line just to prove something. It would be, from what we can see, motivated by the concern that if the line were not drawn then those things that were intended would not be done by whoever took his place. [Comment] So it sounds like he is a pivotal president because of the shift in soul age at this time. MEntity: Oh yes. [Question] So he is thinking more about laying groundwork for much farther in the future than just his presidency? MEntity: We would agree with that. For instance, going back to the rights of homosexuals and transgender and so forth, the methods that are being allowed to unfold on their own are securing rights in a way that would be much more difficult to remove if someone would choose to do so in the future. There were options along the way that could have imposed or enforced rights, but the encouragement for the population to choose those is a much more effective means of securing them than to enforce them or to impose them. [Comment] I see what you are saying. MEntity: Yes. [Question] Along maybe a similar line, we're supposed to be shifting into a Mature Soul paradigm in the United States, but it is funny hearing it sometimes because in politics it's gotten so much more partisan. And also, when we look at just the pop culture, the pop culture feels like it has degraded over the time. We used to have movie stars and cinema, and now we focus on Jersey Shore and Paris Hilton. It feels like the culture is becoming more materialistic and more simplistic. And again, with the political spectrum, it feels like it is becoming more self-centered. And I understand that part of that may be the more access to information, so I would be curious to hear how much that is affecting it, but also, how do we reconcile that in terms of understanding that we are shifting into a Mature Soul paradigm? MEntity: Every transition is going to have, especially a major transition, will have two dynamics at play. One will be the reaction to that shift and the attempts to stop it, and so that is being played out in politics. The amplification of the Baby and Young Souls who do not want things to change are obviously going to be contrasted more obviously against the change that is coming inevitably. And we say inevitably, not because it is something fated or destined, but because evolution is difficult to stop. Momentum is difficult to stop, and once you learn or mature you can't unmature. You can't unlearn. You can't lose that compassion and that empathy that is gained. And that spreads. So the contrast is the one element or the one dynamic that is being played out. The other is that, in a transition, one of the ways the transition can take root is by using the very familiar world from which the transition is coming. So as your media, or your entertainment, moves towards more “reality TV,” it is stripping away the glamour that was the Young Soul paradigm portrayed in movie stars and the romanticizing of those movie stars — stripping away the entire Young Soul glamour – and moving towards reality: more intimate, more accessible, more personal, which is the Mature Soul paradigm. But in order to introduce that, or to make it acceptable, it is being pulled in and focusing on the Young Soul characters willing to play that. And so while the paradigm is shifting towards more intimate, more real, less glamorized, less protected, less private, it is still being played out with Young Soul values. Do you understand what we are saying? [Comment] Yes. MEntity: And so while it may look like what's being emphasized is the Young Soul paradigm, it is being emphasized through a new lens which is the broader paradigm that will eventually find new characters. For instance, politics itself is a breeding ground and a meeting ground for Baby and Young Souls. Mature and Old Souls have no interest in politics, because it is dominated by Baby and Young Souls. However, as more examples show up in politics to show how that context can be played out in a different way, it will draw in more Mature Souls who are willing to realize that, “oh it doesn't have to be played by those old rules anymore, it can be played by new rules.” And so you will see more and more Mature and Old Souls showing up in politics. The same with your media or entertainment. While the emphasis now is seeming to be, in a lot of ways, ludicrous, obnoxious Young Soul behavior, that will grow tiresome for a while. But, it will have gotten on board the Young and Mature so that, when it shifts in focus, they will be watching. [Comment] Crafty. [Comment] Interesting. MEntity: It is also just a natural progression in a Mature Soul culture. The concept of privacy begins to degrade. In a Young Soul world, privacy is extremely valuable and extremely protected and fought for. In a Mature Soul, and especially in an Old Soul world, privacy isn't of a concern at all, because the concept of privacy falls away when there is no more shame, no more concepts of judgement, no more division based on differences, no more exploitation based on individual values. There will always need to be some measures of practical protection when it comes to individuals and your participation in the world. But the emphasis on privacy starts to fall away. So reality TV, or all of the contrived versions of reality, are still playing out that idea that all of you are being watched, all of you are willingly exposing yourselves in such things as social media. This is another step in the direction of the Mature Soul paradigm [Comment] He says as the camera is on him. [Comment] That's interesting if you think about Facebook and tweeting in that kind of context. That's a breaking down of privacy MEntity: Yes. And once again, a Mature Soul concept for instilling something is to have those participating voluntarily bring that into permanence. So such media as Twitter, Facebook, social media in general where the world is participating and willingly doing so, willingly revealing from the most meaningful to the most minutia of their lives … the concept of privacy begins to fall away and it was done so willingly. [Question] My question concerns the US food supply and what is being done to it: pumping the meat full of antibiotics, and genetically modified foods. If it is making humans more sick, and if the government is behind this deliberately, and if they're possibly in cahoots with the big Pharma companies, to get them sick and then sell them their drugs. [Comment] I think they are in cahoots MEntity: And that would reveal something about your participation and place in humanity. We do not see such a sinister element involved in that cycle. But, there is a phrase, or a cliché, that is something like, “the road to hell is paved by the best intentions,” and that would be one of the ways to describe some of what has come up as a cycle in your food industry. Genetic modifications, hormones, antibiotics, all of these had good intentions to some extent to make things more or less perishable, to make them easier to transport, to make them grow where they wouldn't normally grow. This is good. That is something that is seen as helping. However, there are long term effects that do take a toll when those things are ingested over time. What we've seen in parallel versions of the food industry, or in other planetary systems where food issues exist, is that these were short term solutions and, in the context of things, it would be in this case as well. It doesn't work for very long that these things are injected into or modified, but they do help in certain parts of the world during certain periods of time. Having that as a backup is something important for every sentient species to have at their disposal. But, to rely upon it becomes a problem and does begin to undermine the health systems of those participating over time. One of the shifts that we see occurring over a period of time is the return to small local farming and an emphasis on the importance of that, so that what can be grown in certain areas is then locally provided as much as possible. The abundance of what can be grown locally is much more than what is being speculated. At this time, the only reason why it is not sometimes seen as viable is because of the profit that can be made on lands in different ways, and the fight for who gets control of those lands. But once it becomes realized across the board that every city or every localized area must have its own food source to the capacity that it can, there will probably be, in least in these other versions we've seen, designated areas for that to be provided. So, in answer to your question, no, we do not see that this is a conspiracy. However, it is a perpetuated good intention that is not of benefit in the long run and will probably … anything that goes in that direction eventually collapses, and we see that it is on its way out. It will peak and then be stored as a possibility for certain contexts, but not something relied upon. At this point, each of you have the options of what to purchase for your food intake. The more your choices move towards the local and truly organic and so forth, the more that helps to instill it as a part of the paradigm. [Comment] Farmer's market here we come. [Question] My question is more about our relationship to nature and the planet. And it grows from all of the current events surrounding the Japan earthquake that created alarm about the nuclear reactor and the possibility of nuclear waste going into the air and the atmosphere, into the ocean, back into the earth and into the ground. And more recently here, with the Exxon Oil spill in the Yellowstone River up north, and how that is not being maintained and controlled, to, from a political standpoint or an industrial standpoint, an overproduction of things such as oil rigs and the whole oil and gas industry. It's globally saturating our planet and is exhausting our fuel supplies, and, to a certain extent, all of this kind of planet harvesting is affecting the climate. And I am not gonna say that things like global warming and the shifts in climate are completely man made events, because I know that weather patterns and climate patterns are a thing a planet goes through cycles of, millennial cycles. But, I think we are expediting or accelerating some of these cycles. So, I guess I have two questions. The first question is: I know there is a debate as to whether or not other technologically advanced societies or civilizations have been here, and for whatever reasons they died out or left or whatever. I want to know, have any of them or did any of them experience similar situations — a sort of rape of the natural world — and how did they deal with those issues as they surfaced in their civilizations? The second part to my question is: is it inevitable; is it inherent in a society's evolution? As you become more industrialized and more technologically advanced, does that have to pair with the destruction of the planet? Can you evolve without actually having to take away all of your planet's resources? MEntity: Yes. Otherwise species would not be able to finish their cycles. But, it is also not particularly uncommon to exhaust resources and have to move to another planet. That is something that some species end up having as an effect on their native environment. To try to answer your questions in order, ask them again one at a time. [Question] The first one was: if there were other civilizations in earth's history, did they also encounter circumstances of using up earth's resources too quickly or harming more than helping as they evolved? MEntity: Yes. The — what some have deemed mythological — civilization of Atlantis is a fairly recent example of what can happen when resources are exploited to an extent that they become taken for granted, or misunderstood, or misdirected. That was a pocket of Young Soul dominated culture. We realize that some romanticize it as an advanced civilization, but technological advancements are not necessarily parallel to maturity. That group of Young Souls found themselves in a position where their primary resource, which we will just refer to as power because we do not know if we have a term to describe it — it could be understood as parallel to nuclear power — found themselves in a position that literally destroyed everything. So it has happened before. A great deal of those who perished at that time are responsible for the development of the United States as a country. As part of the cyclical group karma — which is a valid concept as well; Karma can be created and generated in groups and then rebalanced in groups — they are finding themselves in positions to see examples of other disasters in the world based on the loss of control over power, or the taking for granted of the power, or the misuse of it. At least at this point, we are seeing the United States as at least establishing a momentum towards alternatives ahead of other countries as a way of “saving” or “revitalizing” the country instead of losing it, as happened in Atlantis. So it has happened before. And yes, the more a society is focused on subtle energies as a resource – or an implosive type of energy resource versus a combustible or explosive energy — as long as one or the other is emphasized as a primary source of power, it will almost always lead to some form of collapse or destruction. What hasn't been done in your species yet is the combination of the two to an extent that brings that balance as required that you would recognize as being in harmony with nature. So as more credibility is given to such advanced concepts, which were provided by such fragments as Tesla in the past, and experimented on again without the restrictions of Young Soul values, and freeing up energy to be much more available to those participating in it, then the balance may come and your species would stabilize a great deal in terms of its resources and the sharing of those. We do not know if we've completely answered your question. So we'll ask you to ask the questions again or to — [Comment] Well, you sort of answered my second question first when I was asking: in order to advance technologically or industrially, does a society have to basically use up or misuse natural resources? And I think you said no that's not the case. [Question] So, if there are species who had to leave their home planet in search for another one, can they still be Old-Souled? Were they just not very intelligent or practical, if they had to leave one planet to seek refuge on another, or can even the older souls make that mistake and have to suffer the consequences of it? MEntity: By the time a species has moved to an Old Soul paradigm, there is usually a great shift in emphasis of what is important for the day to day life, and no longer are such power resources necessary. So you would find, on planets where the population is primarily Old Soul, very humble dwellings, going back to very simple resources, living off the land, or living in an environment that has already mastered the balance between the types of resources that are available: the implosive and explosive. And so it is very rare that an Old Soul-dominated culture is in any position to have to leave. By then it has learned how to live. However, in a species such as yours that is primarily shifting from Young Soul to Mature, if something were to happen to affect your world, you would, of course, be a part of that as an Old Soul. That is where the importance of parallel universes comes to hand, because for instance, in the 1980's, there was nuclear war in one of your parallels. All of the fragments who were involved in that nuclear holocaust are tied to that parallel and working on rebuilding the planet in that version of reality. However, those of you who were in that reality who perished because of the wars that broke out simply do not return to that, but find a different version of reality to continue on. And so, even if the Young Souls “screw things up,” or the Baby Souls push and push until there is no more room for anyone to be free to be themselves, the older souls will find other versions of reality to continue their explorations. So in answer to your question, or to simplify, Old Soul cultures would not, or we have not seen them, be in that position where they would have to leave a planet. [Question] There is a question from Geraldine. She is asking about the concept of peak oil, which is defined as the point in time when the maximum rate of global petroleum extraction is reached, after which the rate of production enters terminal decline. She is asking if it is real and if it has already occurred. MEntity: Based on available or found resources, and the technology available to access those, yes that is a valid concept. However, that can shift if the technology shifts and if the means for extracting it, or the locations for extracting it, are found. So it is not a static concept, but it is a valid one within certain definitions or in certain context, and at this point, yes, there would be a decline after reaching a certain peak. However, as we said before, any time the emphasis is on one or the other resources for power, that peak will be reached and collapse. This would be an example of it. And though that peak can be extended or altered over a period of time, it is certainly not infinite. In this case, just the idea of peak oil is helping to prompt alternatives to come forth before reaching collapse, and this is one of the dynamics in place that are helping the fragments involved from Atlantis to find solutions before “too late.” Did this answer your question? [Question] I guess it did. To expand on that a little bit, I am curious about the concept of fracking: how they have been pushing to allow fracking in upstate NY. They've been trying to buy out landowners to allow them to drill for oil and gas; there's supposedly a great supply up there. So the backlash against it is because it's obviously very harmful to the environment. [Comment] And the concern is that, there are a lot of natural aquifers and water storage underground, and as they frack, the oil and gas then penetrates the water supply which then makes its way to our populations. [Question] Just the damage to the earth the (unclear) that they are doing up there just seems wrong, I think. MEntity: We do not use such terminology as “wrong” or “bad,” but we will say that it certainly is a detrimental impact and one that can only be stopped by the gathering of Mature Soul consciousness to take that on. You will find scenarios like this popping up in certain contexts where the power of Mature Soul consciousness or Mature Souls coming together can make a difference. We don't see this practice that you're describing … we see that it will be rather short-lived, because the impact is so obvious and so unwanted that the alternative is better. The alternative of running out of all of that is better than losing everything. Rather, the alternative of running out of those fuels is better than losing more vital fuels such as water and land. So that choice will be supported by the Mature Souls more than likely and taken on and righted. We say righted only in the sense that it will be put into the Mature Soul context where more is considered than just taking. Of course, that is not a prediction, it is only what we see as a natural momentum that would come up. [Question] We've all been talking recently or for a while about how poorly education is just, I mean, it's just going down into like ridiculous. Sometimes I think, “am I just a bitchy old granny, or is it really that people just don't know shit anymore?” I mean, it's just been so (unclear) to speak and then I'm thinking, “well maybe language is just evolving in a way I don't like,” you know? So, I mean, sometimes I do think is it … not is it “just me,” but is it that I am not evolving the way it is, or is it something that maybe will be corrected someway, like we'll go back to kids actually learning stuff and knowing things and not just how to push a button with their finger, or touch a screen. MEntity: Keep in mind as we talk to you about these subjects you're questioning where your perception of it is and your interpretation of it, so that you can gain insight into how you feel about your part in humanity regardless of what our response will be. [Comment] Yeah, I've established my crabby granny status. MEntity: In any transitional period of time, the concept of education is going to change. What has been in place for a long time as far as the methods for teaching, the methods for learning, and what symbolized knowing, or what symbolized being intelligent, is itself in a process of changing. In that transition, there are going to be some generations that are affected. [Comment] That's such a polite way of putting it. MEntity: However, the transition is simply adjusting to what's important, what is defined as important for a culture and defined by what is necessary. A great deal of what used to be necessary to carry around with you in your brain is no longer necessary to carry around because it can be carried around in a device. This is not to the detriment of the brain, or to the detriment of intelligence. It is simply a different way of accessing the same information. [Comment] But your phone goes dead. Your brain doesn't turn off. MEntity: Yes. However, a great deal of what is necessary to know, if your device were to go dead, would still be accessible, because what you need to know, you learn, and what you need to know is relative to your environment. [Question] Can't one argue, though, that part is not just about filling your brain with data, with information – i.e., equal knowledge – but the process is just as important? So if people are no longer learning about, or synthesizing, or drawing conclusions, or absorbing information in a way that they can convey it back out in their own terms … if they're no longer doing that because they have devices that can store information, or they have internet pages where they can go to access information, isn't there something still being lost? Isn't there an exercise there that still takes you to a higher level that's no longer being used? MEntity: The cycle that's happening right now is the shift from an emphasis of what we would refer to as the “century of debt” in the past — and we will elaborate on this at another time, but you just ended a century of debt as a platform for the world — moving into a platform that we would describe as a “century of choice.” We're speaking of arcs of experiences or themes that are a part of your species, your entire collective consciousness. So the movement is going away from debt, or even a debt-based economy, and shifting toward a resource-based economy, resource-based world, which will take some time to implement. But also, there are two things that have been a detriment, or a source of detriment, to a great deal of the population of humans as the shift into the new century has happened, and they are population and information. These two forces are probably the most detrimental forces working against humans. There is not enough, or at least not the means to provide enough, for everyone, and information flow is of such a constant that the capacity to process it is being lost. So your perception is valid. However, it ties into the evolution of humans where choice is becoming the important factor to consider. So while there is a wall or a wave of sources of information coming into a person's life, they will need to pick and choose and learn how to discern from that ocean of information. Right now you are still at the beginning stages of having that kind of access, so there are not a lot of models for how to do that. For those of you who came from a period that the discernment was already in place for you, where you were taught certain categories, you developed a brain function that allows you to do so even now to some extent. You're able to compartmentalize, focus, and choose what is important to you from the wave of information and let the rest of it go. You do not have to consume it all, and therefore what you are taking in often becomes integrated over those raised within the past twenty years or so, who may have some difficulty with that, because the world became available and there were no compartments or categories or methods for organizing that information taught. Even if it was being taught in one area of the life, as soon as those children were outside of the context of that order, it was available immediately as a wall of information again, or a wall of exposure. And so it ties into the evolution of humans and the consciousness of humans to take responsibility for choices that are being made. Again, this ties into the Mature Soul consciousness in that choices become important to consider in terms of their impact on others and their impact on yourself, not just whether they are convenient. So on the one hand, these are detriments to humans, but it is also the playground for experiences that will be one of the only ways that humans will grow up and take responsibility for choices. [Comment] How joyous that we get to be here for the beginning. And all the morons going crazy, going “Weeee! We can do whatever we want!” MEntity: There is more truth to what you say than you realize. The population growth at this time is of such a magnitude because most essences wanted to see how this shift was going to go down. [Question] Does it look like we're going from debt-based to resource-based right now? MEntity: Not yet, but the seeds are planted. In almost all probabilities that we can see, in order for the species to continue here, at least, the emphasis for a resource-based economy has to be worked out. [Question] What would that look like? MEntity: We do not know if we can describe it in a way that can convey it accurately. But, in the world where the economy — and we say that rather symbolically — is built up around a resource-based paradigm, the willingness to cooperate and contribute is amplified by profound leaps. In a resource-based economy, the natural resources — not only of the land, not only of the continents, not only of the world — are tapped into in a way that accommodates that resource rather than simply imposes on it or takes. Individuals also begin to develop that enthusiasm so that what you are good at you give, rather than just plugging yourself into a cog or a machine that makes your society run. You help to create or contribute in a way that expands on what society means and what your culture is evolving. Materials, power, and food is all distributed based on availability, rather than debt, which is based on who can afford it. [Question] So it's more like Star Trek? MEntity: Yes. [Question] Is there a way that we can make that transition without war, because, when you say that, I can just imagine this social upheaval and the blood that will be spilled In the process. Is it possible to transition in a peaceful way? MEntity: Oh yes. It's possible. It's always possible, but it depends on the education of the masses. [Comment] Oh that's going to be a problem. [Comment] Oh dear god. [Comment] It's going to be a while. We're a long way away from that. MEntity: If more Mature Souls move into positions of authority, then the Young and Baby souls who are around, who may object to it, naturally find themselves listening to those in authority. And the more Mature Souls who are in authority, the less conflict there is in authorities, and therefore they will align themselves quite naturally to whatever the authorities are saying is in their best interest. However, in this transition you are seeing more of quite a few Baby and Young Souls in positions of authority saying what the world needs and what's important. That has been in place for so long that there is an alignment with that that will be difficult to break, but not impossible. So we would think that, if there were a smooth transition, it would probably be another 50 to 100 years before anything were obviously established in that regard. However, because there is so much resistance there will probably be a reality, or version of reality, where a form of collapse occurs of civilization to an extent that the rebuilding is where the resource-based comes up from those who then can move to positions to make it happen. In that case, it would be approximately 20 to 50 years. [Question] In terms of organically growing practice, how do you avoid situations where organic farming increases the possibility of food contamination, such as the various strains of E. Coli? MEntity: One thing that we cannot do is tell you how to protect yourselves from every possible scenario of scathing that happens while being physical. So while there will be risks involved with such practices as organic food choices, they will make their way to you in no different a way than a car accident would, and in no different way than illness would, in the sense that you will still be creating your reality through your choices, through your own effects on your immune system, through your capacity to be alert and so forth. So we cannot say what will protect you from E. Coli or other threats in organic foods other than any practices of hygiene that could be in place to help prevent this, such as washing these food resources. But, those types of threats will still be there simply because the physical plane includes, as a part of the game, so to speak, the possibilities of scathing, which we use as a term to describe any kind of physical harm or emotional harm. [Question] Geneticists are getting exciting and yet dangerously close to recreating dinosaurs. Is this something that will actually come to fruition? MEntity: We've seen it, yes. It’s already been done in some versions of your timelines. The implications of it extend quite far into a great deal of medical or physical/biological benefit. When this is accomplished in those versions of reality, the emphasis moves towards the benefit, or at least those have moved toward the benefit of that capacity. However, there is, of course, the novelty aspect of it that helps to generate the funds for the more beneficial part in some instances. This is a good example of how your media, especially in terms of films or even books, plays out scenarios for humanity that actually have happened or potentially could happen. The film Jurassic Park comes from a fragment who is rather adept at peeking in among other parallels and seeing what could happen and drawing fiction from that, because there is a parallel where that similar type of amusement park occurred. [Question] What are the benefits of having dinosaurs? MEntity: We did not say there would be benefits to having dinosaurs. [Comment] They said that the medical or genetic process by which we can recreate dinosaurs would yield to us some sort of advancements or research benefits. [Comment] Oh! I was confused, I'm sorry. [Comment] Discoveries will happen along that path. [Comment] But, because billionaires want their pet dinosaurs, they'll throw billions at the program that will develop the benefits. [Comment] That part I got, I was just thinking: what was the benefit part? MEntity: There are some parallels you wouldn't necessarily recognize, if you were to leap into them as being familiar versions of earth. In the parallels where this has occurred, the incarnational process has moved from requiring birth, and the physical growing up part to be involved has shifted to some degree to simply choosing a body, because fully grown bodies will be.... [Comment] That's like from the Twilight Zone MEntity: Another fragment who can explore the various parallel options. [Question] So they would choose just fully grown cloned bodies? MEntity: Yes. The birthing process would simply be a matter of waking up in the body. Of course, regardless of how a fragment is birthed into a body, whether it be a fully grown body that has been cloned or genetically grown, there is still almost always a seven-year adjustment period that the fragment, or the essence, or the consciousness must go through in adjusting. Even in your current parallel, your current world, across all parallels, the capacity to walk into a body is rare, but still a choice that is made so that, if you are done with your body, the body doesn't have to die with your leaving the body, but another essence can step in. These are referred to as walk-ins, and the walk-ins still take seven years to adjust to being in that new body. [Comment] My friend Ryan was a walk in. And he doesn't remember most of anything of his childhood, like during seven years a big chunk of his childhood (unclear) [Comment] Was he in a coma then or just one day he woke up as a different person? [Comment] He had gotten sick as a child. MEntity: Yes. The walk-in process requires the body to go into some sort of altered state for that to occur, so that's usually in a traumatic experience, illness, coma, and so forth. But our point is that there is still a growing up process that must be experienced; it's just different. [Question] So dinosaurs won't necessarily be a bad thing? MEntity: No. It is only a novelty that these might seem such a strange possibility. But even in this parallel, you live with creatures on the planet that you will never come in contact with or be affected by. And so it is in those parallels where these have been capable of being generated or built. Many only see word of, or rather media coverage of, these rather than ever come in contact of them. We don't see any instances where there are rampages or takeovers. [Comment] No Planet of the Apes. MEntity: And quite short lived as well. As with many dangerous directions that humans take, once it's established that it can be done, it is often not returned to. [Comment] Is that why they don't cure any diseases? “Oh we could, but nah.” [Question] Can you specify how it is a danger to humanity that once we discover a process we don't return to it? MEntity: No. What we were trying to convey is that sometimes some of the more dangerous directions that are chosen, such as atom bombs or the regeneration of dinosaurs, are established as having been accomplished, and in that establishment there is no need to return to it as a resource or as a constant. It is much like a child who has been told that the stove is hot. The child will still want to touch that stove until it's proven that it's hot, and once it's burned realizes “Oh, I don't have to touch that to know that it's hot.” So does the human species, or any sentient species, often do something dangerous and destructive and then say “Oh, we don't have to do that again.” Do you understand? [Comment] Yes MEntity: So it is not dangerous in itself to go in that direction, or dangerous not to. We were describing the fact that those things deemed dangerous are often not returned to. And so the creation of dinosaurs is a short-lived experiment that proved it can be done and then is focused in a direction that is more beneficial and less about novelty. We will wrap things up then here with a round of one personal question apiece, and we will see if we can get responses for you. You may begin. Personal Questions Excluded
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