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August 5, 2004 Troy Tolley, Channel Michael Speaks – Open Floor [Question] Could Michael comment on some of the channeled material from “The Pathwork” and Duane and Sayana Roman? Are these astral or causal entities? Are these channeled materials helpful? [MEntity] We are familiar with “Orin” and “DaBen” as presented through Duane Packer and Sanaya Roman. “Orin” and “DaBen” are what might be called the “Oversouls” of the two fragments in question. Orin and DaBen are the personifications of the representative, collective knowledge gained by the entities to which Duane and Sanaya belong. Rather than channeling a separate entity, such as our channels do for us, Duane and Sanaya are actually channeling their own Entities. This is NOT in the form that a Transcendental or Infinite Soul would manifest, but simply as an Old Soul would creatively convey the knowledge that “bleeds through” the collective of an entity that is nearly completed in its physical plane cycle. Although a bit confusing to linear thinking, it could even be said that Duane and Sanaya are channeling their “future selves”. Each of you have two types of “Oversoul”. One is the collective identity of the Entity to which you belong, while the other is the collective identity represented by the name of a lifetime in which your Essence felt particularly personified. “Orin” and “DaBen” are variations on the names of the individual Oversouls, but the source of information between Orin and DaBen is the collective Entity to which Sanaya and Duane belong. The channeling is not only valid, it is “helpful”. [Question] There is a journalist by the name of Goeff Dividian who runs the putnampit.com, and shorewoodvillage.com. He seems to be on the same angle of reporting as Michael Moore can you tell us anything about him? Thank You [MEntity] This appears to be another witty and media-savvy Sage who has the ability to root to the underpinnings of a story and present it to the public, even if this means lacing it with entertainment. There is a bit of showmanship and identity distortion involved around this Sage, so we are unclear if he will be able to be taken as seriously as the Sage who is Michael Moore. He is another member of Cadre 1, Entity 3, if you were wondering. [Question] I was wondering about the hands across technique for centering. I was curious about some examples. [MEntity] The “hands across” technique, as some of our channels refer to it, is the process of utilizing the positive pole of the Overleaf that shares an axis with your original Overleaf… as a means to move that original Overleaf out of the negative pole. For instance: An individual who has chosen ACCEPTANCE as a Goal for the lifetime can easily find she begins to feel Ingratiating (the negative pole). Ingratiation comes from forcing a false form of Acceptance over a genuine form of Acceptance, such as saying “yes” when you mean “no”. Ingratiation can also mean forcing others into a position of Acceptance of YOU that is false, such as assuming someone will “get over it” when you offend him or her. The Positive Pole of Acceptance is AGAPE, which is acceptance without attachment, or LOVE. The partner Goal of Acceptance resting on the same Axis is DISCRIMINATION. The Positive Pole of Discrimination is SOPHISTICATION. When someone finds he or she is in the negative pole of Acceptance, he or she can use the “hands across” technique to quickly and powerfully move out of the negative pole. In this case, it would mean “sliding” to Discrimination’s SOPHISTICATION. Sophistication in our system means being able to determine exactly what is in resonance with YOU, what is in harmony with YOU, and learning how to choose that out of all the choices available to you. A person then who would be using Sophistication to move from Ingratiation would mean that person removes the pressure to accept, and allows himself to say NO to that which is not in harmony with him. In other words, the person gains a much more powerful ability to accept those things that are unacceptable, if he first surrounds himself with that which is more acceptable. [Question] how might this technique be applied to the centering, for example Emotional Center? Does the Center/Part change anything or do you treat them individually? [MEntity] This same method can be done with any Overleaves sharing an Axis. The Emotional Center shares an Axis with the Higher Emotional Center; therefore the “hands across” technique would require access to LOVE, the positive pole of the Higher Emotional Center. Sentimentality (the negative pole of the Emotional Center) is simply about ATTACHMENT to symbols, whereas LOVE is complete detachment. In other words, the way to move from your attachment to symbols is through the act of releasing those symbols. Sentimentality simply means being unable to allow an emotional evolution beyond the pictures you have deemed representative of a feeling you have experienced. The Center/Part does not change how you would treat a “hands across” technique in terms of the Primary Centering. However, your Centering is changeable and is only “Primary” and “Secondary” (part) because of your habitual uses. We note this because it may not be effective to use this technique on such a changeable and malleable system, such as the Centers. In other words, to balance your Emotional Center, it is simply a matter of engaging all other Lower Centers at the same time, which is always the goal. When the Emotional Center is imbalanced, it is most likely due to a lack of use of the Moving or Intellectual Centers appropriately. [Question] In the Seth/Jane Roberts material there is mention of a civilization on Earth called Lamania (not Lemuria). Is the information is valid & accurate, and was I, or any of us here, a part of that civilization? Thank you. [MEntity] We are unfamiliar with a civilization that called itself “Lamania”. The Warrior who is known as Jane Roberts may have expressed a name that was familiar to her or the entity known as Seth, but was known differently to others. The name “Lamania” may have represented any of a few unrecorded civilizations alongside or pre-Lemurian. The only major civilization we are aware of pre-Lemurian is that of the sentient race who completed a cycle before humans and “lemurians”. This race was silicon-based and existed during the later cooling stages of your planet. Our final comment would depend on our channel’s exposure to the source of the term so that we may cross-reference this against the records we use. [Question] Can you talk a bit about probabilities as they stand right now for the coming election in the US, and for our democracy and general sociopolitical situation here in the next couple of decades? Everything feels very fluid and somewhat confusing right now, and many of us feel that our country is not really a political democracy at all anymore. [MEntity] Surprisingly, there is a high probability that the fragment known as “Bush” will be re-elected or remain in office with the use of extenuating circumstances beyond the election date. This stands at a 20% probability, which may seem low, but it is not when compared to the other higher probabilities. The fragment known as Kerry stands at approximately a 30% probability of being elected at this point. We have seen this probability continue to rise. As we have mentioned in previous exchanges: what you recognize today as your system of government does not appear to be in place in approximately 25-50 years. The next two decades looks to bring a much-needed overhaul of an outdated system. [Questioner] I guess I’m wondering if we're heading for chaos in the near future. [MEntity] The process appears to be far smoother than one would expect. We do not (and CANNOT) predict your future, but the probabilities of greatest change appear to be leaning more toward a system of government that actually works for the new average Soul Age (Mature). We did not say there would be no “bumps”. We did not say that, nor did we imply it, but we did say it appears to be a smoother transition than one would expect. There will be “bumps”. Some of them may be harrowing and chaotic, but the recovery and benefit appears to be what makes the transitions seem far smoother than one would have expected. The previous and coming elections appear to be what prompts the pivotal community shift that is required as a means to “clean up” your government. [Questioner] I guess many of us feel like we're helpless to influence any of that right now. [MEntity] That feeling you describe is the “last straw” that will eventually pull your community together to make changes. One of the “bumps” you may sense is the 25% probability of a civil war, though it would manifest as more intellectually-focused than physical. That war has already begun on an emotional level. [Questioner] what is an intellectually-focused civil war? [MEntity] Heated Debate may be the most easily-used phrase to describe an intellectual war. [Question] What is the likelihood of an economic great depression in the foreseeable future, and if so, how will this help the shift in consciousness? And will the economic model of the world shift as well? [MEntity] We do not see a high probability of another “great depression” until around the year 2050, but this is dependent on the shift in government during the 40+ years previous to that. What happens as a result of the upcoming election will actually contribute greatly to whether there is another depression in the following decades. Those probabilities are not calculated as being dependent on which of the fragments known as Bush or Kerry is elected, but rather how the United States manages the results of that election. When we say “united states”, we refer to the community known by that name. The probabilities of a “great depression” during the “foreseeable” future do not look high, then. The shift in the economic model of the world, however, appears inevitable as the years pass and the world grows Mature. The use of a common form of currency will most likely be the first implementation.