Search the Community
Showing results for tags 'profile'.
Found 2 results
OMW - Aug 6, 2011 - Validating Your Profile Channel: Troy Tolley [MEntity] Hello to everyone. We are here. We will begin with discussion about the concept of Validation. We have shared on this subject many times, but will do so again, as it is a subject worth revisiting on a regular basis, or as necessary for rekindling the active process of validating. We have described the processes of Validation to include INTERNAL Validation, EXTERNAL Validation, and TRUE Validation. INTERNAL Validation is the process of determining what is valid and true for the self, and this does not have to be valid and true for anyone else. EXTERNAL Validation is the process of determining what is valid and true for others, and this is not always valid or true for the self. TRUE Validation is the process of matching Internal and External Validation into a kind of wholeness. The Validation process is never about absolutes, and is always about personal truths. Truth that is from the Global or Universal Levels of Truth require no validation for them to be Truths, but Internal and External Validation can help one to work with those truths, reject them, work around them, etc. For instance, Gravity is true for your planet and everyone on it, regardless of whether you have validated this for yourself, or not. However, if you fall down, you now have an experience that may validated the truth of Gravity for you, Internally validating it. If you see someone else fall down, you may then have witnessed the validity of Gravity for others, Externally validating it. This is True Validation. But in terms of Validation, it only means that it is now "true for you." However true and valid Gravity may be, there may be some who refuse to validate it for themselves, or they ignore the implications of what falling down may mean. This kind of logic and equation, if you will, remains the same for Universal, Global, and Personal Truths. NONE of them are true and valid for YOU until you Validate them. Validating from only one side, Internally or Externally, does not mean a truth is half-valid, or not valid, but that it is only true IN THOSE CONTEXTS. For instance, Love is a Universal Truth. You may have validated that it exists Externally, because you see it play out around you, and hear about it, and know others claim to have experienced it, but you have never truly grasped the validity of it for yourself. This means that Love is true and valid Externally, but not Internally. For YOU. Conversely, you may have grasped the magnitude of what Love truly is, moving unconditionally and with agape through your social and intimate relationships, accepting yourself and others, but having a hard time seeing this same state played out among your fellow humans in the world; seeing a great lack of love around you in others' lives. You know that Love is True. For YOU. But you have not Externally validated it in a way that it shows up in the world around you. Keeping this difference between Internal Validation and External Validation in mind can free you from a great deal of confusion and frustration when one is lacking. We often see our students using Validation as a form of defense against participation in the world, or as a means to delude themselves, or resist ideas and insights, because they have decided what is true Internally, but forget that it can also be validated Externally. Some of our students decide what their Overleaves and Role are, and regardless of feedback or evidence to the contrary, or evolving understanding through study, will continue to uphold that those Overleaves are valid. And they are. To them. And some think this is as far as Validation needs to go. Others may receive an inaccurate set of Overleaves from a channel and then work hard to make those Overleaves fit, because this set has been presented as valid, Externally, via the channel. Some think this is as far as Validation needs to go. In other words, Validation is reduced to "If I say it is true, that is all that matters." or "If [a channel] says it is true, then it must be." To some extent, both of those statements are true and valid, but only if you decide they are. Determining what is true for you, or accepting as truth what is true for others, are fair ways to work through experiments and explorations of the Physical Plane, but neither of these bring wholeness, and neither of these allows you or Essence to be fully present in your world. True Validation is not "easy," and it is often a dangerous obstacle to evolution, but it is also one of the only ways to truly evolve. When we say that it is "not easy," we mean that it is not often the case that you can find Internal and External agreement for validation. When we say that it can be a "dangerous obstacle to evolution," we mean that sometimes when both Internal and External validation matches up, those involved can resign from validating or questioning beyond that. An example of the first might be a homosexual teen who knows "who he is," and yet his family insists he is wrong about, or for, his sexuality. An example of the latter might be something like that which comes from cult thinking, such as "Jim Jones," "Manson," or "Heaven's Gate." This is why we build into our teaching an insecurity or instability that will always remain as a means to keep our students questioning, grappling, trying to make sense, taking separate stances, etc., because it is a teaching that supports your evolution, and is not meant to provide comfort and sanctuary. As soon as all of our students would agree, this teaching would no longer be a teaching. We share all of this with you because the process of Validation is not as simple as deciding what the truth is, and it is not as simple as someone else deciding what the truth is, and it is not as simple as everyone agreeing. It could be said, then, that Validation is "an active, conscious, constant navigation of Internal and External truths that can never be presumed conclusive." Before we get into the Overleaves, we will share one more consideration regarding Validation. Validation is a Monadal Process: a process of returning to a state of wholeness that is compromised of seemingly contrary or divided forces or states. This Wholeness is ultimately greater than the sum of the parts. Validation, then, is a constant dance between Internal and External truths. When one insists on one or the other, division is the result, regardless of how true something may be Internally or Externally. But there is a solution, even if only temporary, along the way to True Validation. And along the way through True Validation. And that is through the truth of: I DO NOT KNOW. Or: THEY MAY NOT KNOW. Taking the example of the homosexual teen who has struggled with accepting his sexuality, and has done so with great love, but is rejected by family for having done so, with their insisting he is wrong or bad, how can Wholeness for the teen come from this? He would embrace these conflicting truths, allow them to exist, under the umbrella of "THEY MAY NOT KNOW" and "I DO NOT KNOW. In this case, "They May Not Know" would refer to the fact that the family may simply not understand that that this difference in sexuality is of no threat, no consequence, no sin, and nothing more than a small part of him. This grasping of their lack of knowing can help to cultivate patience, and to help deflect the personal feelings of rejection and hurt that come from their lack of knowing. "I DO NOT KNOW" might refer to the fact that he does not have the skills right now to manage the rejection, the necessity to educate them, the impact of their words, etc. NOT KNOWING is always a viable bridge between conflicting truths. It "buys you time," allows for patience, compassion, effort, awareness, insight, perception, etc to come into the process. To be even more inviting of those helpful qualities, it might be helpful to add: "It is okay for now... that I do not know." or "It is okay for now, that they do not know." All of what we have shared above can help in the process of validating your Profile, Overleaves, Essence, and all channeling that might come through our channels, as well as your explorations of self, relationships, choices, and life. It can also help you in moments of conflicting truths where the battle to impose an External Truth over yourself, or to impose an Internal Truth over others, is simply useless and pointless. True Validation never comes through imposition, but through education and invitation. If you find that you are uncomfortable with a truth, or trying to force a truth, it does not necessarily mean that this truth is not valid, but that you "do not know." And that is as profound to embrace as knowing. Now we will move this into application for validating your Overleaves. Before we take on specific questions, we will say that the above can be applied in this way: Your Overleaves can be Internally Validated by you through your understanding of the terminology and how those accurately describe and lend insight into how you understand yourself. Your Overleaves can be Externally Validated by others through your seeing the behavior and feedback of others in relation to you, as you gain this self-understanding. External Validation of your Overleaves does not necessarily mean that someone else decides, "yes, that term fits." To rely only on confirmation of terminology would never give you True Validation. But if you find that your Internal Validation of the terms as they help you understand yourself is also affecting how others respond and react to you, as well as how you respond and react to them, then you may have found True Validation. In any case of terminology where you may not KNOW, the next steps are education and invitation. Which is why we are here with you today. We will leave it to Geraldine to choose the order of the questioning, but we will now open the floor to your questions about specific elements of your Profile. We will offer what we can for help in your, at least, Internally Validating the term, and then your External Validation may come in time. FLOOR IS OPEN [Martha] my question is about true vs public/private - is that on the table? [MEntity] Yes, Martha. Formulate your question about this and we will respond. [Martha] some of the overleaves for me are so different between true - public - private that it seems it speaks to me not having my subs integrated or something along those lines especially the centering was completely different for each one so some help with understanding that is what I'm looking for [MEntity] The Public and Private sets of Overleaves are shortcuts to understanding how, in general, one wishes to be seen, and how one is seen. They do not speak to sub-personalities, but do speak to the facets/personas that one may have developed. In your case, your sets describe the distance between how you see yourself vs how others see you, or how you wish to present yourself vs how you tend to be received. [Martha] So I act like a server and look like a warrior? LOL [MEntity] Though personas/facets may be related to sub-personalities, they are not necessarily connected. [Martha] or act like a warrior and look like a server? [Martha] but all sage cast :) [Martha] it's confusing [MEntity] In your case, the profiles speak more to the fact that you find yourself falling into positions of subservience and nurturing on a rather regular basis, but because of the resentments that may come from that, you can show up as harsh, frustrated, coercive, pushy. To respond to the Sage Casting for both, it would simply mean that you will still be expressive in either case, and often in loud ways. [Diane_H] I would like more clarity on Server casting. How I use it, etc. You previously mentioned I mainly serve myself, which I agree with. But most of my days I act more Scholarly. [MEntity] Though the Role is how one "shines" in the world, it requires the presence, or Manifestation, of Essence for that to happen on any regular basis, and this is something a Personality may or may not strive to do in a lifetime. However, Casting will always show up, as it is how the Personality defaults to functioning on a day-to-day basis. To help with Validation of any Role or Casting Position, it can help to look at other qualities that describe that Axis. In the case of the Server, you would want to look at the fact that this is an Ordinal Casting, first. It is Ordinal/Inspirational, next. This means that on a day-to-day basis, you may find that you naturally gravitate toward one-on-one scenarios, rather than group scenarios, and because you are Inspirationally-Cast, it would mean these one-on-one scenarios may require some sort of Meaning for them to be at all. [Diane_H] That's true, I hadn't thought about the Inspirational aspect. [MEntity] If something of Meaning can be brought to the exchange, then it may be more comfortable or pursued, but meaningless or random social or intimate contact is usually not of interest to the day-to-day functioning. The Priest seeks to bring Meaning to the masses, or a path to the creation of Meaning, whereas the Server seeks to bringing Meaning to the individual, or at least a path to the creation of that Meaning. [Diane_H] That really fits. [MEntity] If Server Casting is valid for you, it may show up as your being an important contact person for an important handful of fragments over time as you connect them to Meaning. Looking further, it might show up as a Re-evaluation in your pursuit of your Goal, Reserved in your Relationships, Stoic in your Perceptions, and even Self-deprecating, in general, in your day-to-day functioning. Re-evaluation of your Goal would show up as your constantly ebbing and flowing, halting and launching, always questioning the progress of your pursuit of your actual Goal in terms of the Overleaf, but also in terms of general goals, such as career. [Diane_H] Wow, that's a bull's-eye [MEntity] Reservation in your Relationships would mean always monitoring yourself, sometimes with Restraint, and sometimes with Inhibition, as you build yourself up in contexts of intimacy and resonance. The Stoicism in Perceptions might show up as your always keeping cool, or appearing cool, unfazed, no matter what you see, or how something is perceived, sometimes through Tranquility, and sometimes through Resignation. Though you will have your spectrum of Overleaves that describe you in much more detail, your Casting Position is like a packaged form of that entire Axis, and it will permeate the other Overleaves in some way. [Diane_H] But I also have all neutral overleaves, how would I begin to tell the difference between sliding and effects of casting? [Diane_H] Or perhaps I slide to the Server overleaves more easily? [MEntity] Neutral Overleaves ALWAYS appear like other Overleaves, hence their being Neutral. Neutral Overleaves will always "slide" as a means for functioning, and they may often go to the Axis of the Role or Casting. In your case, for you to truly Flow, you will slide to Growth or Dominance. Both of these are on the Axes related to your Casting and Role. The GOAL will remain the same, which is to Flow, but your means of Flow is to sometimes turn your challenges into opportunities for Growth/Evolution, and sometimes into opportunities to return yourself to a position of Dominance/Leadership. Validating Neutral Overleaves will always go back to looking at the Positive and Negative Poles as descriptions of where you land. For example, you tend to "take charge" and move into Dominance because you have fallen into Inertia, or feeling like life is not going anywhere, or is moving in a direction you would rather alter, and though you will use Dominance to alter that Inertia, it is still for the sake of Freedom, or returning yourself to a state of peace, not a state of control. [Diane_H] Very true [ClaireC] My "True Work/Life Task" seems rather abstract, no doubt because it probably relates to the "Big Picture". I'm able to validate that I do find commonalities amongst apparently disparate people and groups of people, however, could you give me other examples of how the pursuit of my "Task" has manifested in my life? [MEntity] Yes, Life Tasks are deliberately broad in scope, because we do not wish to define for you how you fulfill your Tasks, but our descriptions should still be able to be found in evidence, if valid, and if the Task is actually pursued. In some cases the evidence is obvious and grand, and in some cases, it is "right under your nose," and completely missed. In your case, the pursuit of this Life Task is still being explored, and there are only hints of its fulfillment at the moment. Most paths of fulfillment of a Life Task are rather subtle in the beginning, and are often not even clear until retrospect is possible. Your pursuit seems to show up most often in two ways: through being "in the middle" between those who are divided in some way, and by pulling together concepts from various systems that can then be translated into something useful for yourself or someone else. You seem to do this so naturally that you might even take it for granted. [ClaireC] Yes, this really resonates with me. [MEntity] Some may dive into a system and that becomes a core around which other systems must adapt, which is just as valid a means of exploration as any, but in your case, your Life Task is to bring systems together like gears in a clock. And by "systems," we also include people. For now, with minimal evidence of your Life Task, we can offer this up as a means to help with your Validation: Beneath your relationships and philosophies, you may find a dominant undercurrent question that may be something like, "Now, how and where does THIS fit..." [ClaireC] That's exactly how I function....like a giant jigsaw puzzle [MEntity] Others may relate to that kind of questioning, as well, but in your case, it shapes a great deal of your choices and pursuits, all funneling into the Life Task to find or create commonalities/common ground within various systems. [carolyn] Hello it's vey good to meet you here. I would like to ask if stepping into a designated "space of information" regarding the nine realities, could be used as a valid way of creating greater understanding around the True Validation of Overleaves. Particularly if this involved working in tandem with an entity mate or someone from your Circle of Support [MEntity] If we are understanding you correctly, we would say that is a valid means for bringing True Validation. This would be a process of recognizing that you may not share the same understanding, insight, experiences, "reality," but that your intention to invite and educate so that you can build some shared understanding, insight, experiences, and even "reality," then. It can also be the same if you already share these things, so that feedback is felt to be trusted and honest when exploring who you are to yourself and someone else. [carolyn] Share the same Overleaves? [carolyn] Well an aspect of your overleaves to be more precise. [MEntity] If you already share a reality with someone, share truths, share perceptions, it can be helpful for the validation process, but only if the intention is for validation, and not justification. [carolyn] By "inviting" say the Enlightenment position from your Circle of Support to assist, could this help further validate as opposed to justify? [MEntity] Those who share the same overleaves may show up as completely different Personalities because of how those Overleaves are used, so this would need to be considered, but there would be core traits that can be used by both. An Enlightenment Position from your Support Circle, such as we are for you and our students, is quite helpful for validation of such esoteric, philosophical, and intangible elements of the self and life. The Enlightenment Position helps one to develop the structures through which experiences are organized, understood, and processed, and having that in place can help a great deal when seeking True Validation of anything. Have we understood your questions accurately? [carolyn] Yes, thank you. [Geraldine] I've never completely validated to my satisfaction that I'm Sage-casted Sage; however, I think that is in large part due to poor definitions for Old Soul Sages in positive poles. I've validated my saginess more from how I acted when younger more than as I've been during the past 20 years or so. Although, I'm accepting that Old Sages may be far more wise and involved with truth than we give them credit for being. But, I liked how you worked with Diane's casting based on her Axis. Would you do similarly for me, even though I have matching casting/role? [MEntity] First, we will say that in the case of Sage for Casting or Role, the "packaging" would include Acceptance, Power, and Idealism, even Greed. In your case, these would show up not only when you "shine," but as a means for functioning on a day-to-day basis. Regardless of Soul Age, Sages will ALWAYS be affected by issues of Acceptance, and regardless of the Goal, will always move in directions that support or encourage Acceptance. This progresses in cycles of pushing for Acceptance of the self and of pushing for Acceptance of others. Beneath every motivation of a Sage is somehow connected to the pursuit of being Accepted. [Geraldine] Yes, I'm prone to a sweeping feeling of being rejected on a heartbeat. [MEntity] In other words, Dissemination or Oration will always be related to a Sage's navigation of Acceptance. For example, most Sages who Orate do so as a means to compensate for a sense of not being Accepted. [carolyn] I was cast with Sage as a discarnate Essence Twin, Priest role and Artisan cast. They all seem to fit on some level. [MEntity] Common to the motivation of all Sages would be statements that might go something like "I am telling you this so you can accept me;" or "I am telling you this so you can accept that;" or "I am telling you this so you can accept you;" or "I am telling you this so I can express my acceptance." [Martha] Oh yeah, that fits [Martha] A Sage must have come up with the "Like" button [MEntity] Going further, all Sages take a stance of Authority or Oppression in terms of relating information to you. Sages RELATE to the world, or to others, in terms of Expression in the face of Oppression, or sharing information as an Authority on that particular information. Power Mode is about being Present, and this is how Sages make their presence known. This is why Sages can come across as "obnoxious" and as "know it alls," because this is their nature: to be themselves, even when you wish they would not, and to speak or communicate with confidence, even as they know there may be more to learn. Sages have PRESENCE, or in our system, POWER. Sages cannot relate to others without feeling PRESENT. Otherwise, they are invisible, and invisible equals non-existent. No other Role (or Casting) requires their Presence to be known as a means for experiencing existence. Sages must show up somehow, to someone, or they die, either or both metaphorically and literally. Going further, all Sages, regardless of Soul Age, see the world in terms of how it can be improved. Regardless of the Attitude of the Personality, there will always be a theme of communicating for the sake of improving what has been deemed in need of improvement, whether this is a slow conversation, an awkward moment, a relationship, or a paradigm. Sages may do this through telling you all of the steps necessary for that improvement (coalescence) or by simply telling you it needs to improve (naivety). To Geraldine: are you finding resonance with these descriptions? [Martha] (I know I am) [MEntity] We will continue. In terms of the validating your Overleaves, will offer up statements and questions that can help in determining the validity of your set of Overleaves: [Geraldine] (and yes, I was) [MEntity] For your GOAL, a helpful way to understand how it shows up in your life is to ask: Is this a state to which I constantly strive to return my life, or the lives of others? For instance, those with a Goal of Acceptance will always find a theme of effort to be accepted, accept themselves, accept others, and encourage others to accept each other. Always. No matter what is going on in the life, the pursuit of this quality represented by the Goal is always a motivating factor in every choice. The Positive Pole is usually the most obvious way to find the validation in terms of your aim, and the Negative Pole is usually the most obvious in terms of when you feel the most ineffective or defeated. In other words, someone in Discrimination may see it most obviously in terms of moving his life into a state of refinement, or Sophistication, but can also validate Discrimination by seeing that he turns to Rejection as a way of dealing with defeat or ineffectiveness. Acceptance can see that he aims for bringing more affection or Agape into his life and the lives of others, but responds with Ingratiation when feeling defeated or ineffective in doing so. For your MODE, it can most often be validated by what you seek to encourage out of others, and what you often see is missing in others. For instance, Passion Mode would tend to encourage Passion out of others, and may gravitate toward others who lack Passion. Observation Mode might encourage others to pay more attention, and often gravitate toward those who have a hard time seeing clearly. For the ATTITUDE, it may be most easily validated by seeing what it is you most often find yourself trying to convince in others. The Spiritualist will try to convince others to the possibilities, and the Cynic might try to convince others to see the other side of the obvious, while the Idealist would try to convince others that the self, relationship, life can always be improved upon. We do not have time in this format to go through each overleaf, but these efforts to convince can show up in both positive and negative ways, relative to the poles. For instance, the Spiritualist would seek to convince others of possibilities, and can do so through helping others verify those possibilities, or by encouraging blind faith, or belief. In another format, in another time, we can describe all of the overleaves in terms that are far more capable of use for validation. We will conclude here for today. Our channel is fading in focus. Good day to each of you. Goodbye.
I started discussing about the profile part of the Michael Teaching with people who are/would be very reluctant to hear about entity, medium, life after death and such "esoteric" teaching. But the profile (role, goal, attitude, mode, monad, etc) is very attractive to them. There are on the market very different kind of "models" or "indicators" to describe personality/characteristics/type (for ex: Myers Briggs type indicators). How can I call the MT model of essence/personality to attract more people into that part of teaching and without having to go into the esoteric (mediumship) aspects? Gurdjieff, I think was the first one to introduce a (modified) MT system but he is perceived as a charlatan by many.