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May 16, 2002 Troy Tolley, Channel You and your attitude [M_Entity] Hello to all of you. We are here. We understand the topic to be that of Attitudes as they are defined within our teaching. Of course, there are 7 Attitudes, as there are 7 of every other Overleaf in our system. The 7 Attitudes are the Neutral or Assimilative PRAGMATIST, the Inspirational Stoic and Spiritualist, the Expressional Skeptic and Idealist, and the Actional Cynic and Realist. The Attitudes are specifically your personal means to interpret reality. The Attitudes could easily be said to be The 7 Basic Philosophies, as much of what is our more complete system now has been found isolated in various teachings throughout the ages. Each Attitude can easily find a correlation of a philosophy, which can shed a great deal of light on your personal Attitude. The Attitude could be said to be the “pivot” or “hinge” within our Personality System around which all other facets of your Personality move. Because the Attitude is intrinsically linked to your Intellect, the Attitude can “make or break” your sense of peace, trust, wholeness, etc. Whether you are Intellectually Centered or not, you still have an Intellect, and that Intellect works hard to interpret and make sense of reality. So, too, does your Attitude. It will go a long way toward freeing you from the traps of the Attitude and Intellect if you understand that it is not necessarily “the point” to “make sense” of reality, because literally, it is the opposite: your senses MAKE reality. Though we say your Attitude “interprets” reality, it may be more effective to understand that your Attitude “filters” reality. Both are valid descriptions. Though an Attitude is far from an imposition, it CAN be a limitation if you find you are not able to function within your ;particular Attitude's full spectrum of use. It can easily be said that, from the absolute worst struggles, to the most trivial of frustrations, these experiences are directly a reflection of how you are using your Attitude. When your Attitude is in its Negative Pole, regardless of what that may be, you have determined that you have completed your need for input for your basic philosophical stance. When the Negative Pole of the Attitude is in control, reality loses its creativity and flexibility, and instead becomes a tangled mess that must be understood immediately, even if the means to do so have not even come to pass. We can speak generally of Attitudes because the basic experience is quite consistent; it is the HOW of it all that is different among them. For instance, an Idealist in the Negative Pole and a Cynic in the Negative Pole will both share the struggle of trying to understand something within a limitation of input, but the Idealist will “naively” bumble his way through, while the Cynic will use “denigration” to destroy anything outside his comprehension. In the case of the Cynic, we do not mean an attempt to literally destroy, but that the Cynic will actively fight to remove any contradictions from his determined perception. In the case of each Axis of Attitude, you will find when they are in the Negative Pole, the reaction of the Attitude is to eliminate the Positive Pole experiences. When the Stoic is “resigned,” he will use inspiration to lead others into resignation, to validate his own perceptions. The Spiritualist will use inspiration to impose his beliefs on others as strongly as possible, to remove the need for verifying his perceptions. The Skeptic will simply express strong suspicions, riling others into an insecure space of perception, to remove the need for investigation. The Idealist will naively take on lofty goals and intentions, either with or without awareness, setting himself up for failure, so as to remove the experience of coalescence, which is the bringing together of parts to make a whole. The Cynic will actively remove all that contradicts his own determined perception. The Realist will insist that her perceptions are based in fact, even against the strongest of feedback that she is inaccurate, so as to remove her from having to be Objective. In addition, the Pragmatist will continue doing things, thinking about things, expressing things, exactly as they have worked for her to her satisfaction, regardless of the fact that input is dictating that there are more practical ways for the same things. The reason the Negative Pole is so strongly interested in eliminating the Positive Pole experiences is because the Attitude is the “brother or sister” to the Chief Features. We speak of these traits with anthropomorphic descriptions, only for the sake of relating, but we do not wish for you to mistake this means of description as if these parts of you are a separate consciousness. We do not say that they are, nor do we imply that they are. Because of our limitation of time, we will quickly point out what we believe may be the most important concern for your understanding of the Attitudes. Since the Attitude can be your prison or your means to complete freedom, we believe that when you are struggling in any area of your life, the first place to look would be to your Attitude. In understanding your Attitude, you would clearly be able to see that you may be in the Negative Pole, but the fastest and most effective means to move yourself out of it, is simply to choose a different angle of perception. Since the Attitude, while in the Negative Pole, so intently seeks to remove the experience of the Positive Pole of your Attitude, the “trick” is to use the Positive Pole of the Attitude that shares your Axis. If the effort is made, within minutes your life can change; or at least your attitude toward it, which can then lead to changing your life. When the Spiritualist is lost in her Beliefs and continues to find she is blocked from real, fulfilling Verification of her perceptions, it can free her to “slide” to the Positive Pole of Stoicism, which would be Tranquility. When Belief is in control, there is usually a strong need to get others to share in the belief, even if you, yourself have not Verified its place in your life. When the Spiritualist slides to Tranquility, she relaxes and surrenders gently to her perceptions. This then allows her to Verify things for herself, instead of finding others to do it for her. On the other hand, the Stoic may have given up on his life, resigning, which is a passive stance to the life. If he were to slide to Verification, he would be able to find that much of what he has resigned himself to is not even valid anymore as an imposition. We may not be able to go through all of the Attitudes with examples, but we will note that the Pragmatist has the ability to slide to ANY of the other Attitudes as a means to free himself from Dogma. We will now take any questions you may have, so we can respond to you, rather than use your time teaching what may already be available in print. QUESTIONS [MDFSage_Val] Can you describe a “spectrum of use” for an Idealist, or is this more an individual fragment thing/issue? [M_Entity] An Idealist lives within the spectrum of being “cursed” and “blessed” with the constant want for improvement. The Idealist has such a wider vision of most things that he can see patterns where others cannot. Within those patterns, he can also see how they can be improved, manipulated, or altered for the better. The struggle then comes from the Idealist being able to see the big picture, but not putting the effort into defining the STEPS it will take to get there. Therein lies the spectrum from Naivety to Coalescence. An Idealist can see that he has potential to run a marathon, but instead of taking the steps to prepare, he simply, naively runs in the marathon, until he collapses from the pain he could have avoided. [Suzanne] Michael, How would be best for an idealist & a spiritualist to relate to each other, one expresses while the other inspires? [M_Entity] The Spiritualist will always interpret relationships in terms of how inspiring they are, while the Idealist will interpret the relationships in terms of how much improvement is coming from them. [Suzanne] Rather interesting, as it can compliment. [M_Entity] If the Spiritualist feels her relationships are not inspiring, or that she is not inspiring, she will lose interest. The Idealist must feel as if the relationships are somehow improving each other, or he will feel they are not worth it. [Suzanne] Thank you, I understand better now [M_Entity] We are using pronouns randomly, for the sake of grammar. We are not intending anything to be specifically assigned to a gender. [Suzanne] Understood that too, thanks. [M_Entity] The Spiritualist could be said to be “cursed” and “blessed” with the philosophy that everything has potential. Within that spectrum, you will find the experiences ranging from blind faith or belief to valid verification of those potentials. We will point out one last point for your consideration before concluding tonight. When you are in the Negative Pole of your Attitude, you may find you are behaving more and more like the Attitude sharing your Axis, or attracting, or attracted to, those who share your Axis. This is your inherent move toward balance in perception and even if this is done without awareness, it manages, at least, to continue to give the option of choosing how you interpret your reality. So, an Idealist may tend to be very critical and skeptical as a means to balance his Idealism; the Spiritualist may find she is becoming less and less emotional and more passive as she seeks balance for her Beliefs. We shared as much as we could within your time allotted. We have much more to say about this topic, of course. We will conclude here. Good Night to all of you.
ASK Michael Live Chat February 1, 2015 Channel: Troy Tolley JeanAU: Hi Michael fragments of your Entity perform the same work, that is channeling? Are you involved in other activities, if so would you mind telling us what they are. Also do you feel any individuality. MEntity: Hello, Jean. All of our fragments are involved in channeling, but in different tiers that help us to accomplish this. In addition to those various tiers, we are also involved in any number of activities and explorations. "Life" as a Causal Entity is as diverse as life as a Physical fragment. In terms of our work through channeling, we have the first tier that works on holding our grounding or Anchoring. These are the fragments who hold our place in time and space relative to our students. Then we have a tier that works on our Cording, or the links that branch out from our fragments to other fragments. These are sustained with students and channels. Then we have a tier that manages our Agreements. Then we have a Tier that handles all Akashic Record research. Then we have our tier that does the work of Communication. Then we have our tier where we sustain our own ideals and vision and aim for evolution, or our Application tier. Then we have our Learning Tier, where we study with our own teachers. All of these Tiers: GROUNDING, CORDING, AGREEMENTS, AKASHIC, COMMUNICATION, APPLICATION, LEARNING, contribute to the dynamic that you experience as "channeling." This is also the case for us in our incarnations as Transcendental Soul. Fragments from among our entity rotate through these tiers. As for other activities, we have everything that would be familiar to you as "travel," "vacations," study, dreaming, bonding, arts, etc. No sense of individuality is ever lost, it is only enhanced to a degree very difficult to comprehend while Physical. It is as difficult to comprehend as it is to comprehend that "you" are a conglomeration of cohesive cells and atoms and microbes that contribute to all of who "YOU" are. We are, at once, completely whole as an Entity, but acutely aware of ourselves as parts within parts. No lifetime or Personality is lost. It is embraced and integrated. Never lost. JeanAU: That mAKES ME FEEL BETTER JeanAU: I believe we were sloth-like in the beginning on Sirius - over millions of years can you give us an idea of how we looked at various stages? MEntity: The species that was "sloth-like" started as large, lumbering, vegetarian, quadrupedal about the size of what you know as Elephants. These evolved into smaller and smaller versions rather rapidly over time, relatively speaking, and because of fruitarian/vegetarian diet, and the change in plant life over time, the species evolved into greater and greater use of the forelegs into forearms, moving from lumbering and into climbing. By the time of our transfer, we were still not entirely bipedal, and quite like Chimpanzees might be seen today, so our splicing with primates was the easiest. Because of the splicing from one species to another, the evolution of Human will always have a "missing link." Maureen: (Question via Rolf) What happens when someone releases a part, or parts, of their body post mortem for reuse? There are reports that organ recipients take over personality traits of the donor. If one is aware that the physical body is the manifestation of spiritual energy it would seem natural that something like an “energetic signature” would persist like a "psychic fingerprint". Maureen: What does this mean for the donor after death and what does this mean for the recipient? MEntity: We have always told you that the Personality is genetic. It is not merely "energetic." It is in the cells of the body. It is a series of switches, so to speak, that are on or off in combinations that are the base Personality. In addition to this, we have always said that the body is a local storehouse for memories, wounding, healing, etc. This is because memory is not local to the brain, though the brain manages it. In addition to this, there is imprinting, which is also not merely "energetic," but a kind of behavior modification that reaches into cellular levels. So an organ that remains alive and moved to a new body will retain whatever memories, programming, and imprinting. This retention is easily overridden, but can take as long as 7 years. Depending on the recipient, whatever has come along with the organ can be integrated, overridden, or ignored. However one would prefer to describe this phenomenon, it is very similar to how a Walk-in process is fulfilled. Except, in reverse. Rather than an Essence walking into a body, a body is walking into an Essence. So to speak. This is a topic that can be explored in a multitude of directions. Do you have further questions for now? Maureen: No, that was perfect Michael. JanaK: Hello Michael, could you please comment on validity/feasibility of pranic nutrition as described and allegedly practised by Henri Monfort, Prahlad Jani, (pratially?) Jasmuheen, and many others? I keep hearing about it and though I know it defies all we have been told about nutrition, the people I hear about it from don't give me impression of lying JanaK: Prahlad Jani was also medically observed in a hospital and confirmed not to eat of even drink for I don't know how long. I know Troy thinks it's bullcrap :) Can you see if these claims are valid and how is it possible if they are? Are they lying? MEntity: Troy's lack of "belief" is well-founded, from what we can see. We know of no humans living without food who can live longer than the usual time frame for the body that lives with no food. No credible proof of this has been offered within the very simple range that would be necessary to exemplify this. Humans do not photosynthesize for their primary nutritional purposes, and no Physical body simply lives off of "spirit energy." It is true that there is a life force that animates the body and is the difference between "living and dead," but that force is not unidirectional. It is part of a circuit. And while there is nourishment from spirit, and light is vital to Humans, neither of these can keep a body alive. Of course these fragments are lying. Either to themselves, to others, or both. In the observations that we know of, foods are still being eaten, however small in quantity. It is true that one can live off of very small quantities of food and extend the life beyond a breaking point if there were no food, but that quality of life force would diminish greatly, and require tremendous relinquishing of participation in life. Bodies are affected by beliefs, this is true, but the will to live does not trump the nature of Physical reality. If that were the case, the delusional man who truly believes he can fly would not crash, or the sheer number of individuals consciously or subconsciously terrified of crashing during a flight would bring down that aircraft. We know that many things are possible, and that the universe is never conclusive, however static its momentum, but if there are Humans who are living with no food and sustaining a healthy and active life by choice to feast only on light and breath, we know of no one. In most cases where this belief is upheld, there is delusion, escapism, and extreme variations on Arrogance at work. JanaK: Interesting, as the people claiming it seem quite humble MEntity: The greatest of arrogance is wrapped in self-deprecation. If you feel you resonate to the claims, it is because there is truth to the possibility, as there are many organisms who can live in such a way. They are not Human, however. If one were to begin training the body to live on minimal food, it would still not be because he were living on light or breath. He would merely be living on minimal food. brian: Hi Michael. I was wondering if you could comment on how the three types of centering affects relationships and how exchanges are processed and interpreted (or misinterpreted) ? MEntity: As with all Overleaves, it is more about the Poles than about the actual Overleaves, in terms of how these work together or work against each other. A Moving-Centered individual partnered with an Intellectual can work very well together from their Positive Poles, while two Emotionally-Centered individuals in the Negative Poles might destroy their relationship. In terms of Centering, this is even more flexible in that when one is in the Positive Poles, there is far more flexibility, as well, so that one is not habitual in Centering. Centering is not static. It can move through all Centers. One can move through all Centers. If you have two Sentimental Emotional fragments together who cannot let go of the past, then each will simply drag their "baggage" around with them and into the relationship, for example, and often presume the other person must do the work of either trumping their own baggage, or the work of relieving them of that baggage. Or two "Reasonable" Intellectuals who constantly justify their behaviors and/or choices without reaching any Insight about the choices and behaviors of the other. That being said, when there are two fragments in a relationship coming from two different Centers, the third Center would tend to be the common ground for help in either bringing resolution, excitement, breaks from patterns and habits, etc. So if an Emotional and Intellectual are in a relationship, some of their greatest common ground might come from the Moving. What that means is different for different fragments. For some, it might mean something as simple as DOING things together. Not just thinking and feeling. Many Intellectual/Emotional pairs can fall into ruts, routine, or second-guessing if there is no action to explore. For others it might mean creating something tangible together as representation of the relationship. So you would want to look to Productivity, or finding a new solution, direction, pattern, anything that might bring a different result. We cannot delineate all combinations here today, but we think this is a start. Bobby: Regarding the last paragraph in January's Energy Report "What Dreams May Come" would you provide some additional detail as far as what you had in mind on that last sentence: Tracking your dreams over January and through March may provide you with some bizarrely wonderful entertainment, at worst, and profound symbolic and prophetic patterns at best MEntity: We were being fairly literal here. The dreams might be entertaining, which is likely the case if you find waking state references that were from your day, or they may be prophetic in that they describe one of three scenarios: highly probable, highly improbable, or test probabilities. Some of which may come true. Does this address your question? Bobby: Um, ok, I was just testing the waters there MEntity: We understand. We were simplistically rather literal in that instance. DavidB: I noticed that Entity 1/2 has by far the most fragments planning to attend the first TLE gathering in September and that Entity 1/7 has the second largest group of fragments planning to attend. I've also noticed that some in 1/7 (perhaps more than usual?) seem to have their ETs in 1/2 and vice versa (including myself). I remember it being said that most fragments in Entity 7 of one Cadre usually have Essence Twins in the Entity 7s of other Cadres. Is there a unique tie between 1/2 and 1/7 to account for these apparent phenomena, or am I seeing something that isn't there? MEntity: A bout half of Entity 7 is paired with other Entity 7s, particularly of the next Cadre. This leaves about 600 paired across its own Cadre. Entity 2 is not more unique in its twinning with Entity 7, but it happens that 2 and 7 have tended to have a push/pull, love/hate, go/stay type of dynamic between the members when incarnated. Entity 7 is quite keen on completing external monads with as many members as possible from other entities, and entity 2, having been quite an eager and outgoing bunch, tend to be available quite often. In that sense, there is a kind of unique "Heart Linking" in high numbers between fragments of those two entities. Kurt: Hi Michael, Attitudes appear in social situations, so I was wondering if you could talk about how Spiritualists appear/act in socializing. MEntity: In the positive pole, Spiritualists will tend to be listeners and hear you out, no matter what you are saying. They will tend to be open-minded, and give you the space to share your truth, without feeling compelled to agree with it or challenge it. They do not feel you are asking of them to believe anything, and they do tend to trust that you would do the same for them. In the negative pole, Spiritualists may tend to use you as a launching pad for sharing anything that might add an "oohh or an aahhh" to the exchange. The sharing is far more conclusive and sometimes even competitive in terms of challenging beliefs. In other words, they can tend to stretch the truth just to hear you react in awe, or to drown out your own beliefs if they are not interesting to them. In social situations, look for the Spiritualist to be the most indecisive, or the most decisive if in the negative pole. In the positive pole, they would help make the decision, but will not impose one. There are more symptoms of the Spiritualist in social scenarios, but this is a bit of an idea. We will conclude here for today.