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February 13, 2005 Troy Tolley, Channel MICHAEL SPEAKS Online — Open Floor [M Entity] Hello to all of you. We are here. You may begin adding yourselves to the queue of questions and we will respond to you in that order. [sandt1222] Thank you. I still have a lot of questions of the basics. Tonight I would like to ask about the significance of the student groups who study together and the channel they choose. [M Entity] Channels through whom we work, (and channels who claim to work with us, but do not actually channel us) are all in some kind of Agreement with the students who are attracted to them. Some channels and teachers have Karma among their students, and the dynamic of their attraction to each other is based on that Karmic structure. Those who are attracted to Troy's channeling of us are in some way linked to the exploration of Perfect Imperfection; or put another way, “absolute comprehension, compassion, and acceptance of Self and Other.” For other channels, a student may be attracted to Empowerment themes, Relationship themes, Reality Dynamic themes, etc. It could then be said that each valid channel attracts three kinds of relationships: Monads, Agreements, and Karma. These Monads, Agreements, and Karma would be among the students as well as between channel and student. [See definitions at the bottom of this transcript for Monads, Agreements, and Karma.] [CearaQC] Greetings. Many books and websites speak about channeling one's higher self/oversoul. Do you have any advice and/or techniques to share with us on how this is accomplished? [M Entity] Yes. Through this channel, we have shared a great deal on that very concept. Troy will include those documents along with the transcript from this chat for your convenience. It is a collection of 3 sessions exploring that very topic and while we could briefly comment on it here, we believe a broader study of the topic as already explored would benefit you more appropriately. [NOTE FROM TROY: The series to which Michael refers was “Conscious Connection to Essence, Parts 1, 2, 3.” I am not really sure those transcripts will answer the question posed by Kara, so I am not sure why Michael suggested them. Unless they are seeking to emphasize a connection to Essence is the foundation for “channeling” your higher self, oversoul?] [BradburySE] I feel like I’m starting to notice the effect of this more and more lately in people around me and I'd like to see if my perceptions are valid. I would like to ask about the nature of sub-personalities. Are they something all of us have and carry within us; parts of our current personalities? Or are they negative influences that exist independent of a fragment? Are they parts of past-life personalities, or some astral fragment? [M Entity] Specifically-defined, a Sub-Personality is one facet of the Whole Personality that is usually unconsciously designated for specific management of specific feelings, situations, relationships, etc. Sub-Personalities are in communication with “each other,” which is the difference between a Whole Personality and a Personality challenged by Schizophrenia or Multiple Personality Disorder. Sub-Personalities are generated by the current Personality's experiences of the current lifetime. They are not independent of the Personality, as in “possession” of some sort, or some random “astral fragment.” To the extent that a Past Life is affecting the current Personality, then the Sub-Personalities MAY be a result of how the current Personality is managing that input, but this would still mean the Sub-Personalities are generated from within the structure of the current Personality, of course. Any “negative influences” or “astral fragments” affecting an individual's Personality behavior would not be considered in the same context as Sub-Personalities, but as rare and altogether different scenarios. Sub-Personalities can become nuisances and quite controlling of their particular psychological territory, but some can be quite beneficial and freeing of internal resources for challenges and growth. [BradburySE] Then someone in “whole personality” should surely remember what he or she said when a sub-personality was in control; is that right? [M Entity] You can identify when you are dealing with a Sub-Personality as you find yourself behaving in a seemingly automated manner within very specific circumstances. If a Sub-Personality is “cut off” from memory, it is no longer an issue of Sub-Personality, but of Multiple Personality Disorder, or Schizophrenia. Multiple Personality Disorder is the result of Sub-Personalities becoming disengaged from the Primary Personality Core, and each assumes it is the Core. Schizophrenia is the result of a specific Emotional element of the Personality being disengaged and assigned to a Sub-Personality to manage it. [Tibtyc] Greetings Michael. It seems to me that a lot of irritation, friction and strife between humans stems from differences in soul-age. Different ages have a hard time understanding, or just tolerating each other. Sometimes I think young and old should try to keep separate (as in the Indian caste system). Or at least that *I* should stay away from people whose valuations (probably soul age) are different from mine. But most of the time I mix & mingle, using lot of my energy to criticize, admonish, trying to correct what I see as “follies of youth,” in a collective, cultural sense. Maybe this is a mistake. What is a good attitude of one soul age to another, especially towards younger souls? Should one criticize? [M Entity] As with the progression of any maturation, the “older” will always be in the position of responsibility for understanding, teaching, redirecting, guiding, empathizing, and accepting the “younger.” So it is in Soul Age. The Older the soul, the more responsibility and capability there is within that soul to comprehend the previous soul ages. This does not mean one must condone or participate in the antics of the younger soul ages, but one can find peace, adaptability, and trust in those younger soul ages. In the same way that a parent must sometimes surrender to the power struggles of a teenager, so must the older soul surrender to the chaos of the Young and Baby Souls. Note that we use the word “surrender,” not “resign.” Surrender includes understanding and patience and trust, while resignation is the choice to abdicate all responsibility. We must also note that it can be quite tempting to stereotype the Soul Ages because of generalizations and media hype. It is assumed that only Baby and Young Souls, for instance, are responsible for the chaos in your world, but that couldn't be further from the truth. The apathy of an Old Soul does far more harm to your planet and people than any bomb from a Young Soul. The need to segregate one's consciousness from the rest of one's species as a means to uphold a false sense of spirituality or evolution is far more regressive than the zealousness of a Baby Soul. We make these statements as fact, not as judgments. As with every other aspect of life, a fragment may choose to do whatever he or she feels is most appropriate in all circumstances. In short, a “good attitude” toward younger souls is in the ability to see the innocence of their experimentation, chaos, and cruelty. Reaching into and resonating with the innocence of another Being is one of the most powerful means to transform the ripples of effect from those Beings' choices in your world. [Tibtyc] Should i take the part about “segregation” as referring to me? [M Entity] We do not specifically refer to you, though we are responding to the question as you stated it in terms of segregation based on a caste system. [flimflamdamn] So trying to connect with that innocence in another can help? [M Entity] Yes, Leela. That is what we said, but more specifically, we stated that it would “transform the effects on your world,” as in, “your personal experience” of the world. Changing your experience of the world is one of the most powerful means of creating your world in a “better way.” [Tibtyc] My understanding is that caste originally had to do with Age. [Annsge] (Think “Caste” had more to do with Essence Role) [M Entity] The caste system was originated and propagated only as a means of socio-political control, not as an extension of any mystical or spiritually-relevant systems; regardless of how that system can retrospectively be interpreted. [flimflamdamn] I know that I almost always ask about current events, so I'm sorry if this question is in any way redundant. But here goes: [M Entity] We do not require qualification of your questions, nor an apology. But you know this. [flimflamdamn] The government of my country seems to be more and more dangerous, both domestically and abroad. And so many of my fellow Americans seem to be asleep, self-obsessed, and ignorant of the rest of the world, just buying the whole program that's being sold to them. I and many people I know feel that our spirits have been broken, that we no longer live in a democracy, and we are frightened of our environmental and political future, not just here but all over the world. Right now, everything seems so status-quo, and the most destructive, selfish people seem to be getting their way in everything — I sense a future of diminished choice and degraded lives. What are the strongest probabilities this year, in this respect, and/or in terms of global or national events that affect us all? I should say I FEAR a future of diminished choice. [M Entity] In terms of “diminished choice,” we are assuming you refer to the privileged level of choices afforded the American lifestyle? [flimflamdamn] no…more like, the choice to control one's reproduction, the choice to live in a healthy environment, the choice to be part of a peaceful rather than war and fear-driven nation; not the choice to drive a Hummer or live in a McMansion; the choice to send one's kids to school, to be able to live rather than survive – that is what I refer to. [M Entity] The choice to “control one's reproduction, live in a healthy environment, and to be part of a peaceful nation” are still quite local to the United States' established privileges. [flimflamdamn] well then, perhaps that is what I am asking about. [upstaate] unfair distribution of the nations wealth? [flimflamdamn] Hard-fought freedoms [M Entity] If that is the case, we see no specific blows in the lack of choice afforded the United States' people in the year ahead. We suggest that the dynamic of division within the United States is not one-sided. The chief features of the older souls are as strong a contributor to the divisions and turbulence and fear as any younger soul. Consider the structure of a school: Physical Age would determine the levels of responsibility afforded the different groups of people participating in that school. Physical Age would determine the levels of (or circles of) choice allowed the different groups of people participating in that school. Physical Age would determine the available wisdom accessible to the different groups of people participating in that school. Consider that the “adults” are the Older souls and that they have resigned to levels of simple criticism, superiority, and other methods of huffing in disgust at the children. The population of children (younger souls), of course, outnumbers the population of the adults (older souls), so it is valid that there is very little that can be done to herd the mass of children into order by the adult standards. [flimflamdamn] but lately the children seem to be running things…and they seem bent on destruction. [M Entity] There are only two methods that an older soul can regain a sense of peace in that environment: through RESTRICTIONS or through FREEDOMS. [Tibtyc] Adults stand aside and just watch… [M Entity] Restrictions would require a great deal of energy that is usually not interesting to an older soul to expend. However, if that choice were to be made, it would mean a grand implementation of order to remove the ability of the young to make their own choices. [flimflamdamn] sounds disagreeable [M Entity] In fact, most literal adults use this method to train and grow literal children. The effects of that restriction, of course, are only to directly benefit one group of people, the adults (or older souls). The other choice is through the method of FREEDOMS. This means that the older souls, or adults, OFFER alternatives, educate those who are interested, and create paths that can help funnel the energy of the younger. [freyaisissuz] sounds like the Super Nanny's [Tibtyc] Choice, and not Laws… [M Entity] This then gives peace to the adults because now the experience of the personal world can begin to be filled with accomplishment, meaning, and support for the choice toward peace. This also diminishes the destructive effects of the younger souls because it only takes one fragment out of 1,000 fragments to change the minds, hearts, and actions of that 1,000. [upstaate] can you give us examples of the RESTRICTIONS? [M Entity] Examples of Restrictions might be: Lockdowns; Public Humiliation; Broad Judgments and Punishments; Removal of Services; Apathy; Callousness; Resignation; Force. Of course, the globe and life are not as simple as a school, but we use that analogy as a means of simplifying. [flimflamdamn] How does this apply to the very real dangers of what our leaders are doing, secretly and explicitly? [M Entity] Leela, this applies in a very real way. Rather than brooding about and condemning the children of your world, much can be done to funnel that energy into creating choices and paths for those who CAN support your vision of a peaceful world. The world is currently in no better or worse position environmentally, politically, socially, or politically than 10,000 years ago or before. There are simply more people, more choices, and more exposure. There is a tendency for the older soul to generate the worst visions of reality when there is an overwhelming diet of exposure to tragedies in the world. Those tragedies will exist with or without your consent and approval. We do not suggest one disengage from the reality of tragedies in your world, but we do suggest that you are not the parents of the world and that the children will eventually learn. You did. [flimflamdamn] thank you. This does help. I still fear the children who have nukes…but this does help. [M Entity] The horrors that each of you imposed on the freedoms of other fragments across your lifetimes are as much a part of this world as the current horrors being explored among other souls. Use your energy and your ability to choose a way to input into the world what you most want from it. Simply condemning the world to tragedy and impending loss is more telling of how you perceive your own life than as an accurate perception of your shared world. Leela, people do not “have to learn through horror.” People CHOOSE to learn through horror. It is quite popular. As soul ages become more condensed and exponentially accelerating in growth, so do the apparent horrors seem to match, as this is a very quick way to learn. Consider the deflection of a child’s hand from fire through your verbal restriction and intervention. Nothing was learned except that the adult is afraid of the orange light. A child who touches the flame will rarely, if ever, intentionally touch a flame again. [kittlekats41] My question is a follow up to Shannon's: are there a ‘usual’ or ‘reasonable’ number of sub-personalities each of us assume in a life, or does this vary based on soul age, levels and Overleaves too much to give an average? [M Entity] Most fragments generate at least 12 Sub-Personalities as an internal kind of support group. There would then be an internal facet who deals with Love, Knowledge, Compassion, Humor, Discipline, Anchor, Healer, Muse, Enlightenment, Child, Beauty, and Mentor. Each is actually assigned a name and a gender, internally and unconsciously. As a fragment begins to rely on their EXTERNAL Support Group, so does the sense of Wholeness and levels of consciousness/awareness begin cohesion. We are describing the classic picture of most Personality’s system of Sub-Personalities, but this is by no means a rule. We will conclude with the final question. [Annsge] Are there times when the sub-personality is perceived as negative by the Personality? If so, what can be done about it? [M Entity] A Sub-Personality is considered “negative” if the Core Personality is rendered helpless to the fearful choices and patterns of that Sub-Personality. The Core Personality will ALWAYS be able to override the Sub-Personality, but a “negative” Sub-Personality can be quite daunting and rooted. [Annsge] Is the Chief Feature a factor in this? [M Entity] Yes, Ann, the Chief Feature (when fear and division are involved) is always involved. Some means by which the Core Personality can override the patterns, fears, and momentum of a negative Sub-Personality are: ASKING FOR HELP — one should never underestimate the ability of an external resource to help one through difficulties. NAMING and GUIDING — one can consciously name the Sub-Personality and humorously begin to see how it has come to be in control, then use internal compassion as a means to educate that facet of self toward new ways of choosing. CORE CONSCIOUSNESS — this would be a deliberate, yet gentle, awareness of what AREAS of the life tend to be ruled by a Sub-Personality’s pattern and consciously examining those contexts, rather than waiting until the Sub-Personality has already risen to control. As a final note, we wish to clarify that these Sub-Personalities are NOT separate from you, nor are they “to blame” for your poor behavior. They are simply FACETS of you, in the same way that your Hand and Foot are still your Body. The more coordination and communication among your Body Parts, the more gracefully you live. The more coordination and communication among your Personality Facets, the more gracefully you live. We will conclude here. Goodnight to each of you. Definitions: Monad: A single unit of experience comprised of two polarized parts that eventually create inherent lessons and resolutions. There are internal and external Monads. Agreement: A casual commitment to share a specific experience usually made on a non-physical level of communication. Karma: The attempt to resolve a previous interference of someone’s choices that resulted in some kind of intensity.