The orange one and the IS

[Christian]

This is really more for fun.

 

How would the orange one react to meeting the IS?

 

Would the IS get through to him?

 

What might be a result?

 

I just had that random thought at work amd thought we might have some fun with it.

[Rosario]

I'm picturing the manifestations of the IS doing the Movements (a unique "dance" sequence from The OA series)  to stop him. LOL

(SPOILERS!)

 

 

Seems to me that the creators have tapped into the future or parallels, and overall collective consciousness. 

Edited January 27, 2017 by Rosario

[Sam K]

As I understand it, the IS ultimately "gets through" to everyone.  People might reject them or their message on a conscious level, and might even oppress or attempt to kill them, but on a spiritual level the very presence of the IS lifts everyone up regardless.

As for Trump, a likely scenario I can see would be that he initially reacts very negatively to the IS, perhaps even labelling him/her a criminal, gradually shifts over time to acting more from his positive poles due to the IS's influence, and then claims that his altered approach is purely due to his own epiphanies and wisdom.  On the other hand, for all his many, many, many faults, every source I've heard has claimed that Trump truly does listen to the counsel of others and consider what they say as long as they approach him with what he considers proper respect.  If they ever had a chance to meet and speak in person, I could see it having a deep and immediate impact on Trump for the better.

Edited January 29, 2017 by Sam K

[KurtisM]

10 minutes ago, Sam K said:

As I understand it, the IS ultimately "gets through" to everyone.  People might reject them or their message on a conscious level, and might even oppress or attempt to kill them, but on a spiritual level the very presence of the IS lifts everyone up regardless.

As for Trump, a likely scenario I can see would be that he initially reacts very negatively to the IS, perhaps even labelling him/her a criminal, gradually shifts over time to acting more his from positive poles due to the IS's influence, and then claims that his altered approach is purely due to his own epiphanies and wisdom.  On the other hand, for all his many, many, many faults, every source I've heard has claimed that Trump truly does listen to the counsel of others and consider what they say as long as they approach him with what he considers proper respect.  If they ever had a chance to meet and speak in person, I could see it having a deep and immediate impact on Trump for the better.

Trump is a Young Level 7 Sage-cast King. If the IS has a big enough impact to do anything like that "to" him then that would be interesting.
Consider how much of an exemplification he would be for Young Souls moving forward IF he manifested +Dissemination, +Mastery, +Inculcation and +Achievement all at once- that's one powerful person.
The IS could be just the person needed to propel his movement into the 4th IM. Wouldn't that be something? XD

Of course, all is choice. Trump could just as easily project his fears upon the IS and stall himself in his -Poles "for good".

[Sam K]

2 minutes ago, KurtisM said:

Trump is a Young Level 7 Sage-cast King. If the IS has a big enough impact to do anything like that "to" him then that would be interesting.
Consider how much of an exemplification he would be for Young Souls moving forward IF he manifested +Dissemination, +Mastery, +Inculcation and +Achievement all at once- that's one powerful person.
The IS could be just the person needed to propel his movement into the 4th IM. Wouldn't that be something? XD

Of course, all is choice. Trump could just as easily project his fears upon the IS and stall himself in his -Poles "for good".

Exactly!  That's the really frustrating thing about the King in Orange: he has this amazing potential in him just waiting to break out and help resolve problems that this country's struggled with for decades, but his own insecurities and the prejudices of the people he's surrounded himself with keep him locked in Tyranny most of the time.  You can see flashes of his positive potential occasionally, even in a couple of the executive orders he's put out (killing TPP, the lobbying ban for his cabinet members).  But then he rants on Twitter about crowd sizes or bans immigration from countries without any warning or grace period for those with visas, and you remember who you're watching.

[Evelin]

As Trump is a narcissist (a very sad and lonely condition, really) he is wired to see everything that happens to him or near him as because of him. So the IS will probably be there because his greatness somehow invited him, because the IS wanted to be near to an equal for a change (ha), or some other such logic.
Alternatively, the IS will symbolize all of his darker emotions he can't deal with so it will be The Black Sheep of black sheep and therefore a great danger.

Essentially, narcissism develops because a child didn't have enough support, help and attention as a child to deal with the strong emotions of childhood, to get a feeling of safety and to learn empathy. So they become the center of their own world, will lack empathy, project their feelings onto others and make everything about themselves.

 

(One of my parents is a narcissist. When it's not massively sad or infuriating, it's quite amusing because they are so predictable.)

I recall Michael saying that Kings, when disconnected from Essence, see themselves not as a PART of a situation, but APART, so when things get messy, they just want to wipe the slate clean, disconnect from it all and start over... how very horribly dangerous in this case.

[Sam K]

2 hours ago, Evelin said:

I recall Michael saying that Kings, when disconnected from Essence, see themselves not as a PART of a situation, but APART, so when things get messy, they just want to wipe the slate clean, disconnect from it all and start over... how very horribly dangerous in this case.

Heh, so if things get bad enough, Trump could just bug out on a plane somewhere and abandon the presidency without warning?  THAT would be a first...

[Leela Corman]

If he encounters the IS, I'm fairly certain it'll be like the climax of "The Wizard Of Oz".

[Sam K]

7 hours ago, Leela Corman said:

If he encounters the IS, I'm fairly certain it'll be like the climax of "The Wizard Of Oz".

 

You mean Trump putting on a grandiose display and the IS seeing right through it to the man behind the curtain?

[Leela Corman]

@Sam K Nooooo, I meant this part, natch! 

 

[Sam K]

Ah.

[NicholasV]

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MEntity:Krishna is one of only a few examples of a Transcendental Soul manifesting Infinite. 

If Krishna manifested Infinite while in reality being a Transcendental Soul, I think that route might be open for other folk as well. I know you can't skip Soul Ages

 but maybe you can jump them? Could it be a chance that Trump attains Infinite in his presidency?

 

 

I haven't read of the possibility to manifest as older than ones true soul age anywhere here. I wonder how that works within the Michael Teachings system. It appears like Troy does that from time to time when he channels information which is beyond or outside of his current level of Soul Age knowledge.

[Bobby]

33 minutes ago, NicholasV said:

Could it be a chance that Trump attains Infinite in his presidency?

 

I won't go into all of the logistics for why that would never happen.  Instead, I'm more interested in your persistence with this idea that Trump may be or have the potential to be more than he is, a Young King who clearly operates from his negative poles?

[Maureen]

1 hour ago, NicholasV said:

 

Could it be a chance that Trump attains Infinite in his presidency?

 

 

@NicholasV, I don't know why you continue to bring this up here on TLE.

 

Firstly, the thought of anyone seeing Trump for anything other than what he - the idiot King (I'm holding back here ...don't get me started) - is not only insulting to intelligent people everywhere, who see clearly through the bravado and the bullshit, it also borders on negligence with a level of delusion that is breathtaking to take in.   

 

Secondly, an Infinite Soul will only manifest in a 7th Level Old Essence/Personality. Period. 

 

[NicholasV]

24 minutes ago, Maureen said:

 

@NicholasV, I don't know why you continue to bring this up here on TLE.

 

Well it looks like there isn't any room for Uranic hypotheses here on this webpage.

 

[Nicko]

4 hours ago, NicholasV said:

Could it be a chance that Trump attains Infinite in his presidency?

Not without the tao itself glitching up like it was developed by microsoft.. unless you refer to infinite stupidity, in which case, already achieved by the looks of it.

You do get me curious tho, as I thought priests were adept people at manipulation, which comes with the added bonus of being able to see through other people's manipulations.
Are you honestly telling me that a 4th level old priest in his 20s or 30s(you've got that young face) can't see through the highschool level of manipulation donald pulls?

EDIT: Just noticed you've got self-destruction mixed with impatience. On that end, I can understand your vote of confidence in trump.
*hums* I'm on the hiiiighway to hell.. yeea, hiiiighway to hell.. humdidumdidum ;)

On topic: I think donald would get really confused and really scared if he met an infinite soul.

Edited February 23, 2017 by Nicko

[John Roth]

4 hours ago, NicholasV said:

If Krishna manifested Infinite while in reality being a Transcendental Soul, I think that route might be open for other folk as well. I know you can't skip Soul Ages

 but maybe you can jump them? Could it be a chance that Trump attains Infinite in his presidency?

 

 

I haven't read of the possibility to manifest as older than ones true soul age anywhere here. I wonder how that works within the Michael Teachings system. It appears like Troy does that from time to time when he channels information which is beyond or outside of his current level of Soul Age knowledge.

I think we need to go back to Basic Michael 101 here.

 

An "Infinite Soul" is a manifestation of a reunited cadre or larger structure, that is, at least 8000 Essences. You can think of the manifestation as a month-long (maximum) mediumistic trance, in that it completely displaces the body's Personality for that amount of time.

 

Anyone who hosts the Infinite Soul has spent a hyuuuuge amount of time in spiritual and energy practices to toughen the body to where it can take that level of energy. The Gospels represent Jesus as being a magician and exorcist. Modern materialist society discounts that, but I would suggest taking it seriously - especially since Michael, in MfM, says exactly that. The legends around the Buddha say he went through a lot of study with Hindu masters before he manifested the Infinite Soul. For one week.

 

If Trump were to attempt to be a host for the Infinite Soul, the result would probably be a twitching puddle of goo on the floor. Assuming he didn't simply burn up.

 

As far as Troy manifesting higher than his soul age while he's channeling, no he isn't. What he's doing is communicating telepathically with Michael, and then unpacking the result into English. At least, that's what I understand from what he's said.

 

It's not possible to manifest higher than your soul age, although it's quite possible to have imprinting from parents or elsewhere that would be appropriate to a higer soul age.

 

 

[John Roth]

2 hours ago, NicholasV said:

Well it looks like there isn't any room for Uranic hypotheses here on this webpage.

 

Most of us are quite serious about studying the MT, not on entertaining wild suggestions from other strands of occult teaching, especially when many of them were made up out of whole cloth to sound awesome enough to attract followers, and they're presented in a manner that's reminiscent of a classic troll.

 

You might want to read John Michael Greer's current column at the Well of Galabes, where he discusses this exact topic.

[Sarah]

I think there's sometimes confusion about the purpose of a situation like this. Someone like Trump might shake us up and make us think differently, leading us to try to make the world a better place. But then... it would be as a reaction against him, not because of him, as would be the case if he were a truly inspiring leader. I've seen it voiced quite frequently lately that on some level, Trump's presidency is a good thing because he's bringing people together to fight against all the crap he's trying to pull.

 

But that's not the same as saying Trump himself or his policies are a good thing.

[NicholasV]

I'd say that Trump is utilizing a technique which is regularly used by the species known as the Pleiadians. It's where 20% of what is seen is of true validity and 80% of what is really valid goes entirely unseen. It's a way of impulsing instinctual reactions in a sentient group which may be notably unconscious and allowing them to self-generate a response that seeks to raise the conscious awareness.

 

It can be thought of like a mini version of the Tao imploding upon itself and then reconstituting those pieces to be a more solid diamond-like bonded conscious thing.

 

 

Michael may be a magnificent and beneficial teacher for all of humanity, but he is giving his teaching from the view of the casual plane. Imagine how less limited and more non-linear a teacher from one of the higher planes (I.e. higher emotional) might be. 

Edited February 23, 2017 by NicholasV

[Kasia]

9 minutes ago, NicholasV said:

I'd say that Trump is utilizing a technique which is regularly used by the species known as the Pleiadians. It's where 20% of what is seen is of true validity and 80% of what is really valid goes entirely unseen. It's a way of impulsing instinctual reactions in a sentient group which may be notably unconscious and allowing them to self-generate a response that seeks to raise the conscious awareness.

 

Viewpoints of Trump aside, I've seen you post stuff that's outside the realm of the Michael Teachings before, and I'm curious where you're getting it from. Can you cite sources to validate your points of view? I hope you don't take this as an attack on what you post, I'm just not familiar with most of it and genuinely curious, especially since this is a Michael Teachings community, and as John Roth stated above, many of us are serious MT students, which part and parcel includes validation. I don't think this is the best platform for theorising outside of the Teachings, but I for one would be happy to see cross-validation from other approaches if you can provide it in a way that relates to what this site is about, namely, a collaborative community of the Michael Teachings.

 

Now as far as Trump is concerned, who/what do you think he is? Again, genuinely curious here. If you were to write up your view of him, what would you write?

[NicholasV]

1 hour ago, Kasia said:

I've seen you post stuff that's outside the realm of the Michael Teachings before, and I'm curious where you're getting it from.

I'm able to access information via self-remembering. Consciousness and life house utterly gigantic vaults of information.

Edited February 23, 2017 by NicholasV

[Heidi]

[Cong]

I think you're living in a delusion. And this is not from a point of judgment. We all at one point live with our fake personality and maya, some of us rise above it, some of us continue to be confused. When the delusion level is high enough, it's dangerous and harmful to yourself and will create serious wounding.

 

Maybe you carried some serious wounds around truth to start with in this life. Have you made an effort to reflect and heal those? Are you brave and confident enough to even challenge your own truth? If you're truly confident, you should at least be more open to other people's suggestions here.

 

I have read most of your posts btw. To me, you did not study any of the things you mentioned well, including Michael's, including I Ching. You read a tiny little, and then manipulated the glossary in a way to justify your delusion. Each time you start mentioning I Ching, I want to correct your mistakes. I don't know where you get your I Ching information from, but all of them are quite fabricated. None of the ones you mentioned stay true to the Chinese originals.

 

And you made some similar mistakes with Michael's teachings too. A lot of them have been pointed out in this post.

 

Most people here have much more kind and nice manner than me. But I think you need an unapologetic badass scholar-cast sage like me to point out that you have not find your true self yet. You need to do a lot of study, including the study of self, before you should bring up a serious enlightening discussion about infinite souls. I do not have kind words for you, but it does not mean that I do not hold a place of inclusion for you. 

 

Simply put it this way, if you do not love yourself and search more truth about yourself, no one and no teachings can help you go anywhere. 

[Nadine]

46 minutes ago, NicholasV said:

I'm able to access information via self-remembering. Consciousness and life house utterly gigantic vaults of information.

 

You've spelled "self-delusion" wrong there, mate.

 

Like seriously, you just made any further discussion moot with that response. And yes, maybe this is the wrong site for this (it is for sure) because it is the site of a teaching whose core idea is VALIDATING information. And you are asking us to ignore anything we can validate to just BELIEVE some information you claim only you have access to. No.

Edited February 23, 2017 by Nadine
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