20170916 MMW: Understanding YOUR Overleaves

[Bobby 20,612]

 

MMW - September 16, 2017 - Understanding YOUR Overleaves

 

MEntity:
Hello to each of you. We are here, now. We can begin. We will suggest further clarification of this format for this topic:

 

We encourage our students to never become complacent with knowledge. There is no end point to learning, as far as we know. There are plateaus upon which one would explore a focus on application as a means to gain experience, but one must continue to move to another plateau.

 

The overleaves tend to be a point of re-entry for most of our students and they quickly become a foundation upon which all other elements of the teaching are built.

 

It is often assumed that once one grasps the general idea of overleaves and their details then there is no more to learn, but continued learning is vital for this teaching to remain alive and valuable to you. A discussion such as the one posed for today is not a revisit to Overleaves, but a continuation of learning.

 

There are 7 paths of continued study in our teaching or any other subject of deep interest: EXPOSURE, EXPERIMENTATION, CHALLENGES, APPLICATION, MEANING, SHARING, TEACHING. Application is the assimilative stage and can be inserted anywhere in this map.

 

Many of our students will choose a path of study and then move into Application, but not move to another path.

 

Most of these terms should be fairly self-explanatory, but we will briefly elaborate before opening to questions.

 

EXPOSURE - the initial introduction to any new concept or new angle on a known concept.

 

EXPERIMENTATION - questioning, testing, observing, exploring that new concept.

 

CHALLENGES - the concept is met with conflict, conflicting experience, confusing experience, debate, doubt, and found to not work as expected.

 

MEANING - the concept is finally owned, understood, and its value clear to the student.

 

SHARING - you see the concept could be valuable and meaningful to others and seek to find ways to share your knowledge as insight, guidance, advice, or introduce others to the concept for them to explore on their own.

 

TEACHING - the student now lives with the concept fully integrated so that simply existing becomes a model for the concept and others can see the effects and influence of this teaching with or without actual introduction to terminology or details.

 

APPLICATION - the concept is at a resting plateau as other concepts are explored and pieced together with it.

 

The sequence of learning tends to be in this order, with Application inserted as necessary.

 

More accurately, this is the Sequence of Continued Study.

 

Once one has reached a Teaching stage, it is always likely that a new angle will come on what was previously thought to be fully understood.

 

Today we will focus on your questions and then you may see where you fall into the Sequence of Continued Study.

 

We open the floor now to your questions about any Overleaf and any context.

 

FLOOR IS NOW OPEN

 

Johanne: Is APPLICATION = plateau, a halt in the sequence?

 

MEntity: Not exactly a halt, but a slowing down.

 

Johanne: You said: choose a path of study and then move into Application, but not move to another path. What is this path?

 

MEntity:
Application is a kind of resting point give one the room to see where one has been, where one is, and where one might go next in studies.

 

Johanne, that path would be relative to the individual. For example, many of our students enter at Exposure and this is quite inspiring and exciting, and then move into Experimentation as a way to understand themselves better in light of this new terminology, and then will move into Application because she feels she now has a basic grasp on what her own Overleaves mean. She remains in Application and does not move on to Challenges because she feels understanding herself to a certain extent is all that matters.

 

Johanne: Ok, I got it clearly. Thanks

 

MEntity: NEXT, Lucianna.

 

Lucianna: I would like to understand more about passion mode. When, for example, I think it's the family problem. This would be an manifestation of the negative pole of passion mode, the identification. Or is it something else?

 

MEntity: Luciana, we ask that you clarify what you mean by "I think it's the family problem."

 

Lucianna: I mean me. I always had the feeling that the biggest concerns of my family. The worst of the bad parents was about me and my future. I had some difficulty at the beginning of school life. And some difficulty getting a job. This raised some concern as to what I would get. And I already felt like being the family problem.

 

Lucianna: I wrote some things wrong

 

MEntity:
We understand.

 

Yes, Passion is involved here, but the core of the pain comes from your Acceptance, the Goal.

 

Your challenge and motivation in this life is all about Acceptance.

 

One of the most painful and beautiful things you will learn with a Goal of Acceptance is that Acceptance is not the same thing as APPROVAL.

 

Lucianna: ok

 

MEntity:
You may never receive the approval you seek, and you may not approve of how your family behaves or supports you, but you can accept them and they can accept you.

 

The pain comes from when you feel you must be different, to be something better, to be something more, to meet some condition of expectation in order to be accepted.

 

Lucianna: yes

 

MEntity: INGRATIATION is when one assumes that one should comply to the expectations and standards and conditions of others as a way to be accepted. INGRATIATION is also when one expects others to comply to expectations, standards, and conditions before being accepted.

 

Lucianna: I see

 

MEntity:
What you will learn with the Goal of Acceptance is that your loved ones are also human and have their fears, their wishes, their worries, their hopes, etc. and they can be messy in how this is expressed if they are about you. If they express frustration with you, or disappointment, or higher wishes, or worries about you, this is not the same thing as being accepted or rejected.

 

Others will always have their own ideas about what you can do to be a better person or have a better life. Listen to them and use what inspires you, but if it does not inspire you, it is not for you. It is not about you.

 

Passion Mode can add to the pain because it can feel as if the criticisms from loved ones is about you as a Being. Though it is not always clear, loved ones often mean to criticize actions and choices, not the person, not the innocence and beauty of the person.

 

Lucianna: yes, I understand

 

MEntity:
It is up to you to learn the difference between messy criticism and hurtful insults. If you determine it is only hurtful insults, then you have every right to establish your boundaries. If you determine it is simply messy criticism, then you can use that when it is useful, and discard it when it is not.

 

We must move to another question to accommodate group dynamics, but the response above is a start in helping to understand your family dynamics better.

 

NEXT, DIANE

 

Diane: Pat posted not too long ago that she has a hard time figuring out the roles/overleaves of family and long-time friends. I've noticed that I have the same experience of having a hard time discerning overleaves of family, and some I’ve had profiles channeled that I can't validate easily or at all. I'm wondering if this is because I grew up with them and are used to seeing them a certain way, because they behave in certain habitual patterns around family (which I do too), because they're behaving according to imprinting...or what?

 

MEntity:
Your assessment is correct. Through this channel we deliver that which is on record in the Akashic. Those Manifesting Essence and True Personality are quite rare, particularly when in family or social dynamics. The tendency is to immediately present the most presentable persona, and/or the most protective persona.

 

What can help in validation is to start with the ATTITUDE. This tends to be the most difficult to hide for long if there is interaction of any depth.

 

It can also help if you design a set of Overleaves that describe how you understand and experience the other person. Let this stand as your interface for understanding them until they are more revealing of their True Personality.

 

The above suggestions are for when the information delivered in channeling is fairly accurate, but there may also be instances when the information is distorted or incorrect. A Student will always have to consider that possibility.

 

Diane: That helps, thank you

 

MEntity: NEXT, JOHANNE

 

Johanne: I am working as a team with 2 other people. We are not fully functionnal because one seems to me to be in the negative poles of her discrimination goal and realistic attitude. The two others: we are both in acceptance goal; for attitude: one is pragmatic and one is spiritualist. How such 3 set of overleaves could work better together or how to help each other to get out of the negative poles? The 3 of us are in observation mode. We all have arrogance in one of our CF.

 

Johanne: to be brief, you can focus just on the discrimination: how to help go from the negative to the positive

 

MEntity:
REJECTION comes when one does not want to make a choice. One tends not to want to make a choice when the choices are not appealing, or when the choices are unclear, or one does not want the responsibility of choice. It is "easier" to simply reject than it is to do the work of Refinement. REFINEMENT is a state of responsibility for choice, the work of understanding and clarifying and questioning.

 

Sometimes the process of Refinement for Discrimination can look like the Negative Pole to others who do not use the same process for making choices.

 

If the individual is in the Negative Pole, there will be no effort to understand. If the individual is working through a personal process and is simply being difficult for those who have a different process, then it is likely not the Negative Pole.

 

Those in Discrimination, even in a sustained Positive Pole of Sophistication/Refinement, can often be deemed "difficult."

 

Johanne: ok, may be it is the process that is hard on us (acceptance). Very hard on criticisms.

 

MEntity: Yes, this is Good Work: to consider if you are the ones implementing defenses against something that you do not like or understand. Acceptance can quite easily fall into the assumption that others or the self must comply to make things easier.

 

Johanne: Having a realistic and a spiritualist working together is a bit of a challenge too

 

MEntity: Many times it is not about easy or difficult, but about listening and compassion and patience.

 

Johanne: Very right indeed

 

MEntity: Experiencing challenges is something you can work with. Even when all are in the Positive Poles there will be challenges. It is only when Fear becomes the currency of exchange that you lose the capacity to move forward together.

 

Johanne: I will remember that !

 

MEntity:
It can be helpful to announce and clarify that each of you bring a strength of perception to the collaboration and that you welcome all of it. Make time to hear each other out. But make it clear that a process must be in place that is acceptable for final decisions, even if you do not like that final decision.

 

Acceptance and Discrimination will always benefit from the experience of "being seen and heard." That is at the heart of either of these Goals.

 

Johanne: thank you!

 

MEntity: NEXT, BOBBY

 

Bobby: With my Mode being Perseverance and the fact that our Mode is how we relate one on one, would you perhaps speak about how exactly you see that I do that with this Mode and what obstacles come to the surface most for me when I attempt to use it?

 

MEntity: For Perseverance, "ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS" is a motto to live and die by. No amount of talk or presentation or explanation cuts it for Perseverance. You have to see results. This is true of how Perseverance relates to others and to the self.

 

Bobby: Poor Troy

 

MEntity:
Perseverance despises weakness and insecurity and excuses, particularly when they are only used as a means to avoid Right Action.

 

Perseverance learns about himself and others by constantly assessing the value of ones Actions. This can lead to relationships that are full of scrutiny toward your own Actions or lack of Actions, or can lead to relationships where attention is focused on others and what they are Doing or Not Doing so as to avoid your own insecurities, weaknesses, and excuses.

 

Eventually, when Essence is Manifest and True Personality is present, the pitting of the self against others, and the pitting of the self against the self, comes to an end. Perseverance shifts into unity and combination of strengths to help fill in for weaknesses, not out of resentment and obligation, but from true vulnerability and responsibility.

 

Weaknesses are no longer despised, but are healed.

 

Actions are no longer assessed in terms of superficial standards to comply with expectations, but are assessed in terms of HARMFULNESS.

 

This is the difference between UNCHANGING and PERSISTENCE.

 

UNCHANGING is not about moving forward, but about holding someone or the self back.

 

UNCHANGING is about locking someone into their flaws and insecurities and not letting them grow until they show some sort of acceptable remorse, guilt, shame, etc.

 

PERSISTENCE is about moving forward, flaws, insecurities, frustrations, and all.

 

You Persist. You learn how to carry everything and keep moving forward.

 

This is true for yourself as well as any relationship.

 

You draw the line if there is HARM.

 

Bobby: Would you see it as it exists currently at the Application, Sharing or Teaching stage?

 

MEntity: You are in SHARING.

 

Bobby: Ok. Thank you!

 

MEntity: FINAL QUESTION: Maureen

 

Maureen: What are true abrading Overleaves?

 

MEntity:
All Overleaves in the Negative Poles. All Overleaves on an Axis. Overleaves with numerical values that add up to more than 7.

 

For example, the Exalted Action Axis carries an inherent value of 7 and will tend to have the most abrasion with other Overleaves. A King must learn very quickly how to work with this natural state of abrasion. It is what hones the King into a great leader.

 

The Exalted Inspirational Axis has an inherent value of 6 and can be quite abrasive to all Overleaves not associated with Server (1).

 

The inherent bond of a set of Overleaves on an Axis that "adds up" to 7, such as Re-evaluation (1) and Growth (6) also comes with inherent abrasion by being on an Axis together. This makes for a kind of yin/yang dynamic that helps the personality "slide" between these as necessary.

 

It is a misnomer for us to use a King as an example above. We speak of the Axis that are King Overleaves. Abrasion is rarely between Roles, only the Overleaves and how they are used.

 

We will conclude here for today. There is more to learn. There is always more. And we encourage our students to continue banking their questions for when the time is determined by you as ready to ask. Allow your plateau of Application to be useful, but you will always move into another stage or path if you wish to continue studies.

 

Good day to each of you.

 

Goodbye, for now.

 

[Luciana Flora 11,938]

I really loved attending this workshop. Michael's answer to my question made perfect sense to me. My profile is making more sense to me now. Mostly the passion mode has become a little clearer for me.

Edited September 16, 2017 by Luciana Flora

[Guest Matt]

35 minutes ago, Bobby said:

Sometimes the process of Refinement for Discrimination can look like the Negative Pole to others who do not use the same process for making choices.

 

Boy isn't that the truth.  People misread me all the damn time on this.  They always say i am negative and crap. I'm not negative, i just know what i don't like.   Oh, i'm so sorry i don't want to put up with you bullshit and be your whipping boy.  I guess call  me negative then.  I really wish teaching of overleaves were in our school system.  It would make it so much easier for people to understand where we all are coming from.  

 

36 minutes ago, Bobby said:

Those in Discrimination, even in a sustained Positive Pole of Sophistication/Refinement, can often be deemed "difficult."

I am sure i am called difficult behind my back by many people, LoL.  Oh well, i can tell them to blame it on my soul for picking the overleaves.  

 

37 minutes ago, Bobby said:

Yes, this is Good Work: to consider if you are the ones implementing defenses against something that you do not like or understand. Acceptance can quite easily fall into the assumption that others or the self must comply to make things easier.

Some truth in this session.  I see this happen all the time with people.  

[Erick 726]

a bit of an incomplete answer on the dynamics of overleaf abrasion, seems like it may be a question that could be its own session some time.

[NicholasV 559]

Totally agree with @Matt in that discrimination combined with refinement is very often misread by people into thinking it's negative. It's more like the person is doing serious taxing mental work which is very important actually.

[Luciana Flora 11,938]

2 hours ago, Matt said:

 I really wish teaching of overleaves were in our school system.  It would make it so much easier for people to understand where we all are coming from.  

I think it would be really cool. I just think that the majority of people would have difficulty accepting the source of the information. But I really think everyone would benefit from these teachings. This teaching helps us to better understand each other.

[KurtisM 15,972]

Ooh boy time to my update by descriptions!

 

Of all the overleaves, I feel like the only ones I still don't understand are:

Aggression Mode.

Goal of Re-Evaluation.

 

 

I understand the centers well, and will come to understand the higher centers better when we have the transcript on how to access them more.

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I understand each of the attitudes fairly clearly and consistently. And I find the info here to look at that context first when validating ols to be very useful.

For those of you that don't know. I've received some info on what each attitude shows up like in social situations. You can read those in the study library for a start.

It made it easy to validate my mom and sis, but not yet my dad.

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I understand each of the modes well and fully see how each relates, though my understanding of Aggression is not as coherent.

This Perseverance info is useful btw and I see now when i've used it!

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The goals I also understand more and more.

Though some info would be nice for both Re-Evaluation and Dominance. And maybe a bit more on Submission.

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I understand the body types well thought theres still some kinks and missing links to work out.

Im using my current Ask M time to ask about them, and would encourage anyone else to join in.

 

 

I pretty much understand soul age, soul age levels, internal monads and roles as well. Though I'd like more on the Artisan, Sage and Warrior's polarities.

Maybe also the King.

Also it would be awesome to understand how all the roles show up in each soul age.

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I anticipate for more info on the castings in the future.

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And lastly I understand the chief features so much more now.

Though it would be nice to get more on Self-Destruction, Greed and Martyrdom.

We still need the 7 angles of transforming the expression axis CFs as well.

 

All in all, loving how much we've received on the overleaves in the last 7 years.

We're nearly ready for a basic intro book on them!

[Tyrone 637]

2 hours ago, Matt said:

I really wish teaching of overleaves were in our school system.  It would make it so much easier for people to understand where we all are coming from. 

 

18 minutes ago, Luciana Flora said:

I think it would be really cool. I just think that the majority of people would have difficulty accepting the source of the information. But I really think everyone would benefit from these teachings. This teaching helps us to better understand each other.

 

There was a tidbit in one session (might've been the Education one) about not only one vision of Michael's being to help overhaul the education system, but also that one thing that would lead to it was the discovery of the validity of the genetic influence of overleaves.  If these things are uncovered and validated through the avenue of the scientific process, I don't think we'd have much of a problem with the information source.

 

:-T  ....  I realize the irony of that last statement with the U.S.'s current political climate, but long term I think it checks out.

 

[KurtisM 15,972]

33 minutes ago, Tyrone said:

 

 

There was a tidbit in one session (might've been the Education one) about not only one vision of Michael's being to help overhaul the education system, but also that one thing that would lead to it was the discovery of the validity of the genetic influence of overleaves.  If these things are uncovered and validated through the avenue of the scientific process, I don't think we'd have much of a problem with the information source.

 

:-T  ....  I realize the irony of that last statement with the U.S.'s current political climate, but long term I think it checks out.

 

The answer about the long-term effects seems pretty simple to me- regardless of whether people source the material to this teaching or not.

 

If the young paradigm overthrows the mature one, scientific progress and genetic markers of OLs would become forms of maximizing your capital.

So traits would be exploited/oppressed out of entitlement at worst- and used as a source of personal accomplishment, mutual competition and self-expression at best.

 

If the Mature paradigm includes the younger soul ages, scientific progress and genetic markers would be seen in terms of how they affect each others well being.

So traits would be complicated by feelings of projection/indignation/fairness and be compromised with at worst- or be sources for helping increase perception, empathy, sensitivity and paths toward cooperation at best.

 

I'd want the latter of course to unfold- but I think it's still important to realize the cons in either paradigm.

Edited September 16, 2017 by KurtisM

[PPLD 12,138]

On 16/09/2017 at 9:27 PM, Bobby said:

What can help in validation is to start with the ATTITUDE. This tends to be the most difficult to hide for long if there is interaction of any depth.

 

It can also help if you design a set of Overleaves that describe how you understand and experience the other person. Let this stand as your interface for understanding them until they are more revealing of their True Personality.

 

This is such a good suggestion!

I'm travelling to my sister's later this week, where I also will meet our mother and naturally my brother-in-law. Preparing a little "template" for each with their possible Overleaves (only know my mother's Role/Casting).

Thank you for asking this question @Diane! Will report on how it worked! ?

 

[PPLD 12,138]

@Johanne, wow! To me your team sounds like a dream team ?

Realist, Pragmatist and Spiritualist is like a recipe for success! 

I'd think however that with Discrimination and double Acceptance there can be a bit short on the leadership/push-forward front. To me it sounds also like it must be really hard on the Discrimination. Siding with them here ? Love that approach to life. @Matt, come by, and let's be insanely choosy, picky and scrutinising together. For me it's inherent for some reason (imprint I think, but I like it).  

[Guest Matt]

22 minutes ago, PPLD said:

. @Matt, come by, and let's be insanely choosy, picky and scrutinising together. For me it's inherent for some reason (imprint I think, but I like it).  

haha, sounds cool.  Since people would call me a snob for trying to only choose the best of things and what i really like, i guess we can be called Michael or TLE snobs, LoL.  

[Felicitas 854]

16 minutes ago, Matt said:

haha, sounds cool.  Since people would call me a snob for trying to only choose the best of things and what i really like, i guess we can be called Michael or TLE snobs, LoL.  

Woahahaha, count me in then and I'm not even in discrimination 'officially'. ??

[PPLD 12,138]

48 minutes ago, Matt said:

haha, sounds cool.  Since people would call me a snob for trying to only choose the best of things and what i really like, i guess we can be called Michael or TLE snobs, LoL.  

 

Jeez man, the stories I have... From all sides of life!

 

In my first profile, channelled by Karen Murphy, she saw me with the Goal of Discrimination. At that time I didn't fully understand the concept of Goal, and I was soooooo impressed by her channelling, that she could perceive this side of me so clearly! ? (So I know what you mean @Felicitas Brenner)

 

Then I learned a little more about the Overleaves and understood that Discrimination is nothing I am working on and learning. I am bloody THERE friend! Driving people around me to insanity!  

 

(Which also brings some light into how well it's going with my actual Goal that is ... Flow... ?)

Edited September 18, 2017 by PPLD

[Guest Matt]

speaking of Discrimination, one of my favorite TV shows is Frasier.  Frasier and his brother Niles sure seem like they are in Discrimination.  There such snobs, it's hilarious.  I remember one episode they were in a spa and it had a gold door, and they loved it, until they saw in the spa there was a platinum door they weren't allowed in.  They were complaining about how crappy the gold door area was all of a sudden, because it couldn't be as good as the platinum door area, LoL.   

[PPLD 12,138]

Just now, Matt said:

speaking of Discrimination, one of my favorite TV shows is Frasier.  Frasier and his brother Niles sure seem like they are in Discrimination.  There such snobs, it's hilarious.  I remember one episode they were in a spa and it had a gold door, and they loved it, until they saw in the spa there was a platinum door they weren't allowed in.  They were complaining about how crappy the gold door area was all of a sudden, because it couldn't be as good as the platinum door area, LoL.   

 

I LOVE Frasier!

They are hysterical!

And there are many levels where I easily can relate, oh yeas...

Talk about "learning how to choose" ?

[Johanne 980]

8 hours ago, PPLD said:

@Johanne, wow! To me your team sounds like a dream team 

I'd think however that with Discrimination and double Acceptance there can be a bit short on the leadership/push-forward front. 

 

Yes @PPLD. They are both great people to work with and we have done lots together. However on the last 2 years, it has been a bit challenging. I thought it could be related to the discriminant goal being stuck in the negative pole, but no, I had it wrong. I had a blind spot: I thought if one is in the positive pole, everything will be smooth and harmonious and pleasant and easy (my acceptance goal??). It is not quite what Michael said however: challenges is always there and being in the positive pole does not mean not going into the negative, but being able to move out of the negative. It ended up being an enlightening session. And the advises of Michael (But make it clear that a process must be in place that is acceptable for final decisions, even if you do not like that final decision) is well relevant for some of the issues we have had lately.

 

[Johanne 980]

I wonder why I has so much trouble to understand "Appreciation" during the workshop?, now it is so much clearer?.

@Bobby there is a line missing for the last question. When Maureen asked for the true abrasive overleaves, first Michael said:

All Overleaves in the Negative Poles. All Overleaves on an Axis. Overleaves with numerical values that add up to more than 7.

 

I can understand what they mean for the first case, and they explained at length the third case. But what could they mean by the second?

 

[PPLD 12,138]

Guys, question level basic here: what are "abrasive Overleaves"???

Is is something I could read about somewhere?

Made a search here on TLE, but the only posts that pop-up are when the phrase is mentioned, and no explanation to what that actually entails.

I understand what abrasive is and what Overleaves are, but the combo makes no greater sense to me.

Heeeeeelp... please... ?

 

[Felicitas 854]

34 minutes ago, PPLD said:

Guys, question level basic here: what are "abrasive Overleaves"???

Is is something I could read about somewhere?

Made a search here on TLE, but the only posts that pop-up are when the phrase is mentioned, and no explanation to what that actually entails.

I understand what abrasive is and what Overleaves are, but the combo makes no greater sense to me.

Heeeeeelp... please... 

 

I think there is info about this in the Michael books. I will check it out tonight, after work and let you know what I found. I have understood this to mean that certain overleaves don't go well together, something like someone in impatience not dealing well with someone in re-evaluation. I guess there are better examples, but can't think of any right now. 

[PPLD 12,138]

4 minutes ago, Felicitas Brenner said:

I think there is info about this in the Michael books. I will check it out tonight, after work and let you know what I found. I have understood this to mean that certain overleaves don't go well together, something like someone in impatience not dealing well with someone in re-evaluation. I guess there are better examples, but can't think of any right now. 

 

Aaah, the books. Maybe I should read them at some point? Thank youuuuuuuu @Felicitas Brenner. You're such a brilliant Scholar-cast Priest, you are! ? ? ?

[AnnaD 10,822]

This!! This is excellent!! Why do people not get beyond application especially if it is something that love? I get it if you don't go beyond doing what "you have to do " because you hate doing it, but surely most of us who love certain activities and pastimes go the whole hog and do all seven. Take it to the limit!!

 

Many of our students will choose a path of study and then move into Application, but not move to another path.

 

Most of these terms should be fairly self-explanatory, but we will briefly elaborate before opening to questions.

 

EXPOSURE - the initial introduction to any new concept or new angle on a known concept.

 

EXPERIMENTATION - questioning, testing, observing, exploring that new concept.

 

CHALLENGES - the concept is met with conflict, conflicting experience, confusing experience, debate, doubt, and found to not work as expected.

 

MEANING - the concept is finally owned, understood, and its value clear to the student.

 

SHARING - you see the concept could be valuable and meaningful to others and seek to find ways to share your knowledge as insight, guidance, advice, or introduce others to the concept for them to explore on their own.

 

TEACHING - the student now lives with the concept fully integrated so that simply existing becomes a model for the concept and others can see the effects and influence of this teaching with or without actual introduction to terminology or details.

 

APPLICATION - the concept is at a resting plateau as other concepts are explored and pieced together with it.

 

The sequence of learning tends to be in this order, with Application inserted as necessary.

 

More accurately, this is the Sequence of Continued Study.

Edited September 19, 2017 by AnnaD

[Maureen 24,018]

11 hours ago, PPLD said:

Guys, question level basic here: what are "abrasive Overleaves"???

Is is something I could read about somewhere?

Made a search here on TLE, but the only posts that pop-up are when the phrase is mentioned, and no explanation to what that actually entails.

I understand what abrasive is and what Overleaves are, but the combo makes no greater sense to me.

Heeeeeelp... please... 

 

 

@PPLD,  as @Felicitas Brenner said it is mentioned in the CQY books. We can have externally Abrading Overleaves with others and internally Abrading Overleaves within ourselves.  As mentioned by @Erick - "a bit of an incomplete answer on the dynamics of overleaf abrasion, seems like it may be a question that could be its own session some time" - I think it would be a great idea to have Abrading Overleaves as a full length topic.

 

The reason I asked about Abrading Overleaves in the MMW is it's come up for me a couple of times, once recently in my blog The "Hook" in Priests' Inputs where they mentioned this in response to a question: The primary layer of consideration here is simple Personality/Overleaf Abrasion, and one other time that I can recall. 

 

The other time I recall asking about Abrading Overleaves (although I didn't use the term) I got a really interesting answer from Michael and shared it in a blog called Geometry of the Overleaves. Here's a short excerpt:  

 

MEntity:  The dynamic of his Overleaves would naturally make for a rather complex Personality, in that a great deal of his design is not particularly "straight-forward."

 

MEntity:  If you can imagine the "shape" of Overleaves, many may be more like a faceted egg-shape when working together as a Personality, but some are more like blocks connected by circuitry.

 

MEntity:  In the same way that some of our students explore our system as "Michael Math," there is also a kind of "geometry" to the Overleaves.

 

MEntity:  In some combinations, the system is less cohesive, and relies upon a kind of circuitry among the parts, and this can sometimes break down, or seem disjointed to someone whose Overleaves are more "seamless."

 

[Bobby 20,612]

15 hours ago, Johanne said:

 

@Bobby there is a line missing for the last question. When Maureen asked for the true abrasive overleaves, first Michael said:

 

 

Johanne, the omitted line after Maureen's question has now been added.

 

Thanks :)

[PPLD 12,138]

5 minutes ago, Maureen said:

 

@PPLD,  as @Felicitas Brenner said it is mentioned in the CQY books. We can have externally Abrading Overleaves with others and internally Abrading Overleaves within ourselves.  As mentioned by @Erick - "a bit of an incomplete answer on the dynamics of overleaf abrasion, seems like it may be a question that could be its own session some time" - I think it would be a great idea to have Abrading Overleaves as a full length topic.

 

The reason I asked about Abrading Overleaves in the MMW is it's come up for me a couple of times, once recently in my blog The "Hook" in Priests' Inputs where they mentioned this in response to a question: The primary layer of consideration here is simple Personality/Overleaf Abrasion, and one other time that I can recall. 

 

The other time I recall asking about Abrading Overleaves (although I didn't use the term) I got a really interesting answer from Michael and shared it in a blog called Geometry of the Overleaves. Here's a short excerpt:  

 

MEntity:  The dynamic of his Overleaves would naturally make for a rather complex Personality, in that a great deal of his design is not particularly "straight-forward."

 

MEntity:  If you can imagine the "shape" of Overleaves, many may be more like a faceted egg-shape when working together as a Personality, but some are more like blocks connected by circuitry.

 

MEntity:  In the same way that some of our students explore our system as "Michael Math," there is also a kind of "geometry" to the Overleaves.

 

MEntity:  In some combinations, the system is less cohesive, and relies upon a kind of circuitry among the parts, and this can sometimes break down, or seem disjointed to someone whose Overleaves are more "seamless."

 

 

This is fab Maureen! Will go to the sessions you're linking to!

 

But just so I get where I am starting (that's the core of my confusion...):

 

Is 'abrasive' used here in the meaning of the result = abraded to the level of being polished, smooth

or

In the meaning of the process = coarse to the level of creating friction

 

Do you get what I mean? I'm quite sure a part of it is the second- language speaker. I just can't get a 'feel' for the phrase.

 

h.e.l.p. ?