Has the U.S. ever had another Baby or Young King in Tyranny before Trump?

[Brian Taylor]

Is Trump the only president we've had who was a king in tyranny?

[Tristan]

Good question... it would be interesting to compare the historical contexts. I was on the fence about the USA being the parallel to Rome but....we’ll now I see there are SOME similarities....(laughter followed by tears ??)

[Sam K]

I think Andrew Jackson would be a solid bet.  Openly violating a SCOTUS ruling so you can commit mass displacement and de facto genocide is pretty hard to top, as bad presidents go.

Edited June 20, 2020 by Sam K

[PPLD]

1 hour ago, Tristan said:

Good question... it would be interesting to compare the historical contexts. I was on the fence about the USA being the parallel to Rome but....we’ll now I see there are SOME similarities....(laughter followed by tears )

(FYI: That was a hysteric/desperate laughter smiley, mind you.)

[Crystal]

That's a really good question! I agree with @Sam K that Andrew Jackson fills the bill quite nicely. I recall that John F. Kennedy was a King, but he wasn't in Tyranny (or if he was, it didn't impact on the country!).

 

I'd love to find out from the M's more about the US Presidents - I don't expect them to run down a list of every one! But the more prominent and influential ones, certainly. From what I recall reading here, and Messages from Michael: Abraham Lincoln was an Old Sage, Franklin Roosevelt a Mature Sage, Bill Clinton another Young or Mature Sage, Barack Obama a Mature Priest, Bush 41 a Priest, Theodore Roosevelt a Young Warrior, Richard Nixon a Baby Scholar. We in the US do love our Priests and Sages! ?

 

ETA - George Bush Jr. is a Baby Scholar per this transcript (scroll down): 

 

Edited October 5, 2017 by Crystal
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[Mike Cleverly]

The original Michael Transcripts have President John F Kennedy down as a Young King... I don't get the impression he wasn't often in Tyranny though. 

[Mike Cleverly]

On 04/10/2017 at 11:00 PM, Tristan said:

Good question... it would be interesting to compare the historical contexts. I was on the fence about the USA being the parallel to Rome but....we’ll now I see there are SOME similarities....(laughter followed by tears )

 

I have been pondering the idea of Trump's reign being a parallel to that of Caligula...

 

The original Michael group transcripts say that the US is parallelling the Reign of Augustus (27BC to 14AD, 40 years)  That was channelled 45ish years ago, so now we are parallelling somewhere approx 18AD to 58AD and Caligula was 37AD to 41AD.

 

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Philo of Alexandria and Seneca the Younger describe Caligula as an insane emperor who was self-absorbed, angry, killed on a whim, and indulged in too much spending and sex.[102] He is accused of sleeping with other men's wives and bragging about it,[103] killing for mere amusement,[104] deliberately wasting money on his bridge, causing starvation,[105] and wanting a statue of himself erected in the Temple of Jerusalem for his worship.[98] Once, at some games at which he was presiding, he ordered his guards to throw an entire section of the audience into the arena during the intermission to be eaten by the wild beasts because there were no prisoners to be used and he was bored

 

Sounds like the kind of thing Trump would love to do...

Edited October 6, 2017 by Mike Cleverly

[Juni]

17 minutes ago, Mike Cleverly said:

 

I have been pondering the idea of Trump's reign being a parallel to that of Caligula...

 

The original Michael group transcripts say that the US is parallelling the Reign of Augustus (27BC to 14AD, 40 years)  That was channelled 45ish years ago, so now we are parallelling somewhere approx 18AD to 58AD and Caligula was 37AD to 41AD.

 

 

Sounds like the kind of thing Trump would love to do...

Holy shit.

[Maxim [memorial profile]]

50 minutes ago, Mike Cleverly said:

The original Michael Transcripts have President John F Kennedy down as a Young King... I don't get the impression he wasn't often in Tyranny though. 

 

Kennedy had charisma  and was an inspiration to a lot of people.  He started the Peace Corps.  He also liked to have fun... frolicking in the White house pool with nude female staffers.

[PPLD]

10 hours ago, Maxim said:

 

Kennedy had charisma  and was an inspiration to a lot of people.  He started the Peace Corps.  He also liked to have fun... frolicking in the White house pool with nude female staffers.

 

Nice balance between responsibility and leisure. 

Don't know the Soul Age Level he was on, but definitely further in completion of his IMs than Drumpf.

[Brian Taylor]

I think I remember that JFK was a young king -- probably self-destructive.   Certainly not in any way comparable to Trump.   Even the baby scholars Bush 43 and Nixon are no match for the destructiveness of Trump.   I even think Nixon tried to move the nation forward.  He begin the EPA, used diplomacy to lessen global tension.  Of course, he had the same blind spot when it came to Vietnam and the 'threat' of global communism that Johnson had.   I guess Trump's role is pretty rare in human history.   I think a  better question to pose is this:   any presidents in tyranny, no matter what their role.

Edited October 10, 2017 by Brian Taylor

[Juni]

On 10/6/2017 at 3:32 PM, Maxim said:

 

Kennedy had charisma  and was an inspiration to a lot of people.  He started the Peace Corps.  He also liked to have fun... frolicking in the White house pool with nude female staffers.

I seem to remember he and Robert Kennedy being channeled in the books as having CFs of Martyrdom, but my memory might be faulty.

 

[AnnH]

On 10/10/2017 at 7:43 PM, Juni said:

I seem to remember he and Robert Kennedy being channeled in the books as having CFs of Martyrdom, but my memory might be faulty.

 

I recall that JFK had a CF of Martyrdom. It wouldn't surprise me if Robert didn't, too. It seems they both had to sacrifice themselves on the altar of their father.