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Our super slow progress through soul age levels, and the effect of TLE?


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Michael has said in several occasions, that moving through soul ages and soul age levels is very slow, and finishing all internal monads on the positive pole is definitely not the norm. In a transcript i read earlier today
(http://our.truthloveenergy.com/articles.html/library/soul-ages-levels/levels/soul-age-levels-change-slowly-relevance-of-past-lives-r100/) they said,
 

 

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Most of you have been within one level of your current Soul Age since the last manifestation of the Infinite Soul. For the thousand years approximately before the manifestation, those of you present here, moved only one or two soul levels.

 

That just sounds slow in EXTREME. How many lifetimes is that per level??? This seems to me quite weird, thinking that in all those lifetimes, old soul lifetimes, internal monads would have not been completed on the positive pole. I know it's not easy, but still. I wonder how much the era would play part though, and shorter life spans in general? Do the figures look much different in this day and age, or in the future from now?

 

So correct me if i'm wrong, or likely wrong, as it would seem to me more likely than not that people of this community would complete their IM's on the positive pole. It's hard for me to imagine that only like 10% would do this, thanks to all the information, peer support, and access to Michael that are available and make it so much easier to have and keep a conscious look at our lives through the turbulance. Is this really rare? Are we truly super privileged and blessed in this incarnation, and are we going to "break the norm"?? Just wondering....

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When it is a given that you WILL eventually complete the Grand Cycle process... does it really matter how long it takes?  ?

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We live and learn....many of my experiments have turned out to be lethal. oops.?

 

I don't think we're special BUT we shouldn't underestimate the effect Ms have, it is incredibly useful to know which questions to ask yourself to proceed and I remember reading about a "vacuum effect", it's like if you wanna get rich, hangout with rich people, wanna pass your monads find those who have done it.?

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This transcript also says that most of us old souls would have been reincarnating for 6 million years. According to the human timeline, I would have been an Orrorin, a kind of chimpanzee as an infant soul. This would have been more than 4 million years before homo erectus. 

If my soul age is divided over this 6 million year period, I would have become old soul around the time when homo sapiens had evolved.

According to a reading done in 1989 by Jose Stevens, I had my first infant soul incarnation 32000 years ago.  This seems more plausible to me.

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I honestly have no idea if 6 million years is a reasonable time or not. I confess that I do not read much about this part of the teaching.

Because right now I do not think it's important for me to know when I started this great cycle. So I focus more on information that I believe can help me improve my current life.

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10 hours ago, Bobby said:

When it is a given that you WILL eventually complete the Grand Cycle process... does it really matter how long it takes?  <img height=">

 

Time is irrelevant of course. I was simply thinking about all the suffering experienced staying on negative poles. I think i've been currently spending some time on the negative pole of phase 4 of my 4th IM and if i got stuck here for the rest of my life, i don't know how soon i would even want to reincarnate! ? 
I am just so incredibly grateful for Michael. I don't always manage to be grateful for all the things i woud like to be gratefu for, but I get teary just thinking about my gratitude for M.

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When it comes to time or timelines, I get the feeling that all metaphysical wisdom or teachings become fuzzy or break down. After all, time is connected to the material plane and very pliable. I think our souls/ Tao can play with it like it was a playdough. All questions about time would then be answered in a manner of a child being asked how a clump of playdough looked like. Neither is time linear nor absolute when it comes to reincarnation. According to Michael, parallel livetimes are not uncommon. We could also be living out our last lifetimes 30000 years ago. When it comes to 6 million years, the question about our lifeforms being ready for sentient life arises. Then again, is sentient life that important? I see the deva stages as an important stage in the evolution of our souls, forming our environment and building life Itself. They are after all setting the stage for the more consious sentients exploring and playing out their drama at a ”later” stage. Then.... I am a deva building my future sentient species and I am incarnated in these same evolved bodies. What would the answer then be about when I had my first incarnation? 

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23 hours ago, Miizle said:

Michael has said in several occasions, that moving through soul ages and soul age levels is very slow, and finishing all internal monads on the positive pole is definitely not the norm. In a transcript i read earlier today
(http://our.truthloveenergy.com/articles.html/library/soul-ages-levels/levels/soul-age-levels-change-slowly-relevance-of-past-lives-r100/) they said,
 

 

 

That just sounds slow in EXTREME. How many lifetimes is that per level??? This seems to me quite weird, thinking that in all those lifetimes, old soul lifetimes, internal monads would have not been completed on the positive pole. I know it's not easy, but still. I wonder how much the era would play part though, and shorter life spans in general? Do the figures look much different in this day and age, or in the future from now?

 

So correct me if i'm wrong, or likely wrong, as it would seem to me more likely than not that people of this community would complete their IM's on the positive pole. It's hard for me to imagine that only like 10% would do this, thanks to all the information, peer support, and access to Michael that are available and make it so much easier to have and keep a conscious look at our lives through the turbulance. Is this really rare? Are we truly super privileged and blessed in this incarnation, and are we going to "break the norm"?? Just wondering....

 

Well, the progress is understandably slow.

Once I got some hard data from Michael, I was doing some math for fun. Yikes. ?

 

According to the Ms, this is my 218th lifetime and I am on 5th level Old. 

Since there are 35 levels in total, there were 32 levels that I have completed.

I got the info that this is my 6th lifetime on this level, which would mean that the 212th was the last one as 4th level Old.

That would make 32 levels and 212 lifetimes, meaning I spend on average 6-7 lifetimes on the same level. 

 

So, yeah. Very slow. ? It´s okay.

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On 3/29/2018 at 11:30 PM, Miizle said:

So correct me if i'm wrong, or likely wrong, as it would seem to me more likely than not that people of this community would complete their IM's on the positive pole. It's hard for me to imagine that only like 10% would do this, thanks to all the information, peer support, and access to Michael that are available and make it so much easier to have and keep a conscious look at our lives through the turbulance. Is this really rare? Are we truly super privileged and blessed in this incarnation, and are we going to "break the norm"?? Just wondering....

 

Although this community offers a helpful and interesting view of our collective existence and how to navigate it, I don't think being a Michael student would necessarily mean you would complete the IMs any faster. Everyone, Michael student or otherwise, likely has their own place of learning similar to this one which helps them along their course, so we are not unique, at least I don't think so. There may be plenty of lifetimes also where the Ms are out of reach to a Michael student, in these instances, perhaps there is a different teacher involved, or the path is nonetheless resolved anyway. There are many different variables as to what could happen in a lifetime so it doesn't surprise me that a 'correct' sequence would take awhile. Life is experimentation, it's meant to be explored in strange directions, even if that means one becomes stranded on a hopeless course for a bit just to see what that is like for a while.

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I’m thinking of that phrase “can’t teach an old dog new tricks,” so yeah it makes sense that it would take a long time to level up. We make the same mistakes over and over in a lifetime before we figure out we should try to solve the problem a different way. Also, people generally hate change. 

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I wouldn't want to speed through it either. But i would like to be on the positive poles more and get there more easily. I would like my family access and react from positive poles. In no way would it normally make your life shorter and you die faster if you struggle less. That would mean the most miserable c*nts live the longest, and eventhough that may sometimes seem to be the case, i'd say it's mainly because we wish good riddance :P .

 

Also i would like to point out that in no shape or form did i mean that WE are 'special'. I meant this learning environment is rather special.

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Michael ended my last session with these words:

 

If you focus on the pleasure and value of the process, it does not matter the pace.

 

It wasn't about IM or Soul Age, but it feels applicable to just about everything.  Knowing there is no end point, what's the point of rushing?

 

@BogiI'm on life 327 and *only* 4th Level Old so you seem to be going super fast to me LOL!

 

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4 hours ago, Wendy said:

If you focus on the pleasure and value of the process, it does not matter the pace.

LOVE THIS!

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6 hours ago, Wendy said:

Michael ended my last session with these words:

 

If you focus on the pleasure and value of the process, it does not matter the pace.

 

 

I love it too!! This is what I'm working on. LOL

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6 hours ago, Wendy said:

Michael ended my last session with these words:

 

If you focus on the pleasure and value of the process, it does not matter the pace.

 

That helps me to lessen the pressure on myself and be ok with resting, no matter how long it takes.

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If there's one thing I've learned at 7th Level Old,  and being able to take in the bigger picture, it's what MEntity said to @Wendy.

 

If you focus on the pleasure and value of the process, it does not matter the pace.

 

Once you comprehend this, to your core, it can become a daily ritual to remind yourself of the beauty and awe that surrounds us ALL THE TIME. There are no special circumstances required. This is why Older Souls move to a state of Be-ingness over Do-ingness. We need to be still enough to perceive what is, to perceive "All That Is", and the perception of Beauty can lead us to awe... if we let it. Paying attention to Beauty through the use of Vividry is an act of self remembering because all that we perceive is a part of us and we are a part of everything. Each of us knows this at our core but we need to remember it, again and again, each lifetime and that's where our best teachers come in. They remind us of who we are and what we are truly capable of... and we ARE capable of perceiving the greatest Beauty in even the minutest of moments or events throughout our days... and you may be surprised that the greatest Beauty, of all, is you...  and you... and you... ad infinitum. The sum is greater than all it's many parts.  :wind:

 

Be_YOU_tiful.jpg

 

 

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I came upon this blog post because I was interested in automatic writing. And I came upon this comment by @Bobby:

Because of my unfamiliarity with the internal monads, I decided to look into it and I came upon this sentence from michaelteachings.com:

 

Due to the inherent difficulty this involves, it may take several lives to complete the internal monads for a particular soul age level.

 

This sentiment was repeated again under the soul age as it was under the internal monads:

 

Each level averages three lifetimes to complete, sometimes more, sometimes less.

 

And, again, this sentiment was repeated above.

 

However, Michael channeled my soul age and level as 2nd Level Old on February 12, 2020 and as 4th Level Old on September 9, 2020.

 

My manifested soul age is understandably mature to old, so I would like to ask if there is something that I am misunderstanding.

 

Thank you!

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7 hours ago, neskinchennyy said:

However, Michael channeled my soul age and level as 2nd Level Old on February 12, 2020 and as 4th Level Old on September 9, 2020.

 

 

You're going to have to add some context to that above quote.  Channeled by whom?  Was it two different channels?  Was it the same channel?  Was it channeled each time and done by Troy?  This makes a huge difference for your attempts to validate what you got.

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Oh, I apologize!

 

It was channeled both times by Troy.

 

The first time was within a 15 minute / 1 question session where the first question was about my soul age and level:

 

MEntity

Hello to you, Oksana. We are here, now. We can begin. 

O

Hello, Michael. Are you able to determine my Soul Age/Level? 

MEntity

Yes. We see your Soul Level and Age as 2nd Level Old. 

O

Thank you. 

 

The second time was within a standard profile:

 

Soul Age/Level: Old/4

Manifested Age: Mature to Old

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I'm 5th level Old in my 208th lifetime, which would put me around 6 - 7 lifetimes per level on average. I'm in no hurry to level up to the purportedly somewhat rough 6th level. Obviously, I've done 6th level 4 times already (Infant, Baby, etc.) but I've had enough emotional pain this lifetime that I don't think I'm ready for the 6th level challenges just yet. Also, I have no idea where I am with my IMs; pretty sure I completed the first three in the positive pole this lifetime, but have no idea what happened with the 4th, as I don't recall anything resembling that kind of self-revelation; based on age alone, I should be in my 5th if not finished with it, but I've no idea what's going on there, either. Yet another question to ask the Ms.

 

All of which is to say that I think that completing IMs - either in positive or negative poles - and leveling up are very individual processes, and each of us proceeds at our own pace.

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I can't remember where I read this, but I thought Michael said at one point that the progression of lifetimes is not necessarily a completely linear timeline. That is, an Older lifetime does not necessarily occur in the future relative to a Younger one.  I might be misremembering, though.

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11 hours ago, Sam K said:

I can't remember where I read this, but I thought Michael said at one point that the progression of lifetimes is not necessarily a completely linear timeline. That is, an Older lifetime does not necessarily occur in the future relative to a Younger one.  I might be misremembering, though.

 

Yes, Michael also mentions DaVinci and Tesla by name as examples of "non-physical 'time-travel'" in the link below

MEntity: As we said, non-physical "time travel" is far more common, and does not affect a timeline. In most cases, it is done for practical reasons, such as the interest in experiencing a time frame that was missed due to review after a lifetime, or for experimenting with resources that went unnoticed during a first run through that time frame. In the case of this fragment, it is the latter that is of interest. It may have no effect on the future of the species, but for that fragment, it is priceless.

 

 

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What I don’t quite understand about going through IMs and moving onto another soul age, how does it work with our parallels?

What if I go through all Monads in the positive pole in one parallel but not in others. Would that be ‚enough‘ or does it have to be finished in the positive poles in the majority of parallels or even all parallels? 

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