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This is from a session on 10 April 2018

 

Does the universe run like clockwork or is it governed?

 

FROM MICHAEL: Both. There are forces of momentum at work that we as a Causal Entity still have no concept or conclusion about that origin of energy, but it has mappable and predictable cycles or “clockwork” patterns. However, this is also “governed” by those who participate in and contribute to these forces. If not for that participation and contribution, the cycles would have ended by “now.”

 

Would you please give a mechanistic and energetic overview of the seven planes of existence particularly emphasising the place of humans in the scheme of things?

 

FROM MICHAEL: In mechanistic terms, consider the planes to have been set in motion like the orbiting of planets around a Sun by a force we are still studying and learning to know. These mechanics are stable and timeless, even as they are from a lower infinity. An energetic overview might be that the consciousness that moves through and creates, perpetuates, and sustains these planes are from a set of higher infinity and will exist long after the planes no longer exist.  

 

 

 

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Juni

Wait, there are levels of infinity? What?

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Uma

I think my remaining circuits have been blown. WHAT???? @Troubadour. What did this answer do to you? and @Juni ditto!!!!

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Michèle

Mindblowing ? Love it. The Causal Plane is studying unknown forces. I always think there is a "beyond the Tao". It just doesn't make sense otherwise. Fractals. But I can't explain it.

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Philip Wittmeyer

"The study of infinity is much more than a dry, academic game.  The intellectual pursuit of the Absolute Infinite is, as Georg Cantor realized, a form of the soul's quest for God. Whether or not the goal is ever reached, an awareness of the process brings enlightenment.  INFINITY AND THE MIND has been written with the average person in mind." -- from the introduction.

 

Infinity and the Mind is a book by Rudy Rucker written in the early eighties, 350 pages, paperback. It is one of my favorite mathematics books, influential. Yes, it is mind-blowing. There are levels and types of infinity.

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Troubadour

@Uma. There are many questions I would like to ask regarding this. I'm going to post a few below. If anyone has input I'd love to hear it. 

 

Do the scientific laws that apply to the physical plane also apply to the other planes? What is the medium (physical construct) of each plane?

 

Does the energy of cadres, entities and fragments express in miniature the energy of the planes they reside upon?

 

If there is a universal government 'who' are the members?  Is the government a democracy or (benign) dictatorship or of a format we (humans) haven't discovered? Are there checks and balances? Does everyone in the government agree or is there debate to decide what happens? Is there a hierarchy? What is the purvey of the government? Is there a police force to implement decisions? 

 

Michael mentions the role of consciousness in answering my question regarding the energetic overview of the universe. I asked the following question in my session which may shine some light on the issue:

 

What is consciousness and where is the seat of consciousness in humans and discarnates?

 

FROM MICHAEL: Consciousness is not so much a thing, but a process of remembering, of becoming aware, awake. It is something that can only grow, but never diminish. It is also contextual in that while one may be conscious in the Astral, one must then become conscious in the Physical Plane, and so on. One is always increasing consciousness.

 

Consciousness does have a quantifiable weight and position that can be most easily discovered and identified in mathematics. This quantifiable weight and position would only be a micro-symbolic representation, but it would at least be a “thing” then that could be factored into new equations. When consciousness becomes a meaningful factor in mathematics, a tremendous leap in technology and evolution is at hand.

 

There is no standard “seat of consciousness” in the body. The weight and position that represents consciousness is fluid and moves throughout the body, sometimes stationary for great lengths of time, and sometimes moving regularly throughout the various bodies. Different Roles will tend to hold their consciousness in different ways. Frequency can also give clues as to how one holds consciousness in the body.

 

There is always a body involved for consciousness until the Buddhaic Plane, so this variation on “seat of consciousness” works the same in the higher planes.

 

 

 

 

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Jeroen

Love your questions. I often have thoughts about the Tao or "all that is" and possibilities of this being a microcosm as part of a macrocosm. That everything we know including the Triad of Truth, Love, Energy, Tao, 7-planes of existence, and the stacked Universes are a tiny fracture of something more. It is beyond comprehension but fun to think about. There are so many questions that come to mind when thinking about the "bigger picture".

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Uma

@Troubadour Your questions have been answered in part in various sessions I have read, although at this moment I do not have the time to gather the quotes. I remember reading that Michael spoke about the physical laws of the universe not being uniform with what we understand at this point in our evolution, that the speed of light, for example, does vary from what we know. 

 

Your questions are fascinating and I too would love for Michael to expound on them. Thank you for your quote on consciousness

14 hours ago, Troubadour said:

FROM MICHAEL: Consciousness is not so much a thing, but a process of remembering, of becoming aware, awake. It is something that can only grow, but never diminish. It is also contextual in that while one may be conscious in the Astral, one must then become conscious in the Physical Plane, and so on. One is always increasing consciousness.

 

Consciousness does have a quantifiable weight and position that can be most easily discovered and identified in mathematics. This quantifiable weight and position would only be a micro-symbolic representation, but it would at least be a “thing” then that could be factored into new equations. When consciousness becomes a meaningful factor in mathematics, a tremendous leap in technology and evolution is at hand.

 

There is no standard “seat of consciousness” in the body. The weight and position that represents consciousness is fluid and moves throughout the body, sometimes stationary for great lengths of time, and sometimes moving regularly throughout the various bodies. Different Roles will tend to hold their consciousness in different ways. Frequency can also give clues as to how one holds consciousness in the body.

 

There is always a body involved for consciousness until the Buddhaic Plane, so this variation on “seat of consciousness” works the same in the higher planes.

 

Those two last sentences seem especially fertile ground for new exploration with Michael. Thank you for sharing this. This, to me, is the outstanding feature of our community--the willingness to share what we have received from Michael with everyone so generously. This makes our studies so much more profound and multi-faceted, with each of us bringing our own consciousness to the focus of study and seeing how that reveals the 'whole'. I'm overflowing with gratitude to @Troyand TLE. ❤️

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Maureen

Great questions and excellent explorable material!!  I may ask a question at my next session about how consciousness is held in my Priest's body with a Frequency of 55.

 

I'm wondering if it will be similar to how we hold wounding in our bodies -- but different.

 

There is no standard “seat of consciousness” in the body. The weight and position that represents consciousness is fluid and moves throughout the body, sometimes stationary for great lengths of time, and sometimes moving regularly throughout the various bodies. Different Roles will tend to hold their consciousness in different ways. Frequency can also give clues as to how one holds consciousness in the body.

 

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This, to me, is the outstanding feature of our community--the willingness to share what we have received from Michael with everyone so generously. 

I whole-heartedly agree

 with you - nay, with every dimension of my multi-dimensional existence! I think it says a lot about Troy and the community as a whole and I am deeply grateful that I came across TLE. I truly delight in the lively, friendly, yet very serious (in a fun-Sage way) discussion of the Michael teachings. Thank you all for making this such a marvelous forum. ?? 

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Troubadour

Which brings me to another question I asked in the same session. I was prompted to ask this because of a theme I occasionaly found in my readings of the Michael Teachings.

 

I’m sorry that I can’t quote where the question and answer below come from.. I got it sometime in the last few months so it probably comes from TLE somewhere but I have read all the original Michael books, most of Shepherds books and much of the original transcripts of the 70s sessions so it may come from anywhere as I have a habit of occasionally collecting what I consider to be the most salient bits. Apologies to the original questioner.

 

I would like to ask about the meaning of “synthesis”. I have the theory that it means putting the knowledge into effect for growth.

 

THAT IS VALID. YOU CANNOT BEGIN TO PUT THIS INTO PRACTICE UNTIL YOU FULLY UNDERSTAND IT. THE SYNTHESIS WILL ALLOW YOU TO SEE THE ENTIRE SYSTEMS OF IDEAS AS ONE UNIFIED IDEA — THE CONTINUOUS CREATIVE FORCE. UNDERSTANDING WHY THOSE AROUND YOU ARE LIKE THEY ARE WILL OPEN YOU UP TO AGAPE, AND TRUE ACCEPTANCE. THIS WILL ALLOW YOU TO PUT PERSONAL AGENDAS ASIDE AND PURSUE THE PATH TOWARD COMMUNION WITH THE HIGH TEACHERS.

 

Another example is from Michael Speaks Live

How Reincarnation Works -- Part I  June 28, 2014 Channel: Troy Tolley 

 

MEntity-- Many of our students come to our teaching with presumptions of how reincarnation works, and most never ask about it. As our teaching is built from the questions of our students, and not from our simply deciding what you should know, the subject of reincarnation has been overlooked, despite its being such an intrinsic premise of this teaching.

 

 

So on April 10 2018 I asked this question..

 

I am interested in attempting to attain a synthesis of the Michael teachings.

I have noticed that on occasion you advise students that you impart information when it is requested, not simply because you think we should be told. I suspect this has to do with the evolution of consciousness and I’ll bet we don’t have all the information

you have to give. My guess is that it is the questions that are important.

 

Having the wit and tenacity to work out what the parameters of the teachings

are is possibly beyond me as an individual but I suspect that in concert with the collective at TLE we may have a good shot at it.

 

Would you approve of a collective TLE project aimed at working out what

those questions might be and do you have input as to how we should go about it?

 

FROM MICHAEL:

We never offer approval or disapproval

as this would impose on your capacity for choice. We seek for no student to please us or earn or win our approval. We support your choices and offer tools that help you to choose how to learn, and learn how to choose.

 

That being said, your suggestion is a sound

suggestion and is already, organically, in effect. It is valid that questions are key to evolving our common ground of communication of our teachings, and that is one of the primary functions of the members of “TLE.” The co-creation of common ground through

shared and cross-referenced questioning has opened up your access to areas of our teaching we did not expect to explore for another generation or so.

 

As for our input on the matter, we can only

suggest that for those students who are most interested, a casual but committed group be formed with an agreed upon parameter of shared resources of time and energy and focus for exploring specific topics of interests.

 

Synthesis can come with or without this form

of exploration of the teachings. Synthesis is merely the application of the teachings in a way that it is remembered as natural and essential.

 

 

My reading of Michael’s reply above is that going for the synthesis like a bull at a gate is not the way forward but

‘communion with the high teachers’ sounds like it could be interesting. And I would be interested in exploring specific topics of interest with a casual but committed group if the idea appeals..

 

 

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Uma
9 hours ago, Troubadour said:

MEntity:   ....already, organically, in effect. It is valid that questions are key to evolving our common ground of communication of our teachings, and that is one of the primary functions of the members of “TLE.” The co-creation of common ground through shared and cross-referenced questioning has opened up your access to areas of our teaching we did not expect to explore for another generation or so.

 

 

9 hours ago, Troubadour said:

I would be interested in exploring specific topics of interest with a casual but committed group if the idea appeals..

@Troubadour Two things: There are several clubs here on TLE where members can explore various aspects of Michael Teachings, plus there is an ongoing discussion of topics that members would like to have Michael discuss/expound/explore further, which you could also add your questions and areas of interest to for consideration. The Forum is called Topics and Workshop Requests and Suggestions.

 

I just want to say that it delights and surprises me to read members' sessions for that very reason. When I first came to Michael through the Yarbro books, I had only my own questions and lines of pursuit, which were very related to my circumstances and situation in this lifetime. It is only after finding TLE that I have realized the range and scope of what is available to be asked and explained, and that has been a total joy. I look forward to hearing your questions and Michael's answers as you get them and share them. The discussions that ensue from those exchanges are what really opens things up for further pursuit. So, thank you for sharing.

 

 

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petra
@Troubadour,  Thank You so much, I am in !!!  That's what I am after, as wide and far as we can come up with.
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