The Truth, Love and Energy of Astrology ~ Part Two

[Maureen]

4th and 10th Natal Houses

• 4th House could be called: The House of ~ IMPRINTING (or Belonging)
• Astrological counterparts: Water (Personal), Cancer, Cardinal, Moon, #4
• Relationship to the Michael Teachings: The Intellectual Center ‘Truth’, –The Resources, Roots of Self-Karma
• 10th House could be called: The House of ~ CONTRIBUTION (or Contributing)
• Astrological counterparts: Earth (Universal), Capricorn, Cardinal, Saturn, #10
• Relationship to the Michael Teachings: The Higher Intellectual Center ‘Truth’, +The Resources, Symbolism of Self-Karma, the House where the Body Type is influenced at the point of conception

 

 

Maureen:  Michael – Please give your perspective on the Astrological, Natal 4th House and the Natal 10th House. And…as you have been doing them as a pair please note: There is dispute over which parent rules which house – the 4th or the 10th. There is a convincing argument that the “shaping parent” is found in the 10th – the one who had the greatest influence on our societal development. While the more “hidden parent” – the one whose influence may have been less outwardly visible, but possibly stronger at an unconscious level – is found in the 4th.

The 4th House traditionally rules everything that relates to the foundation and roots of our existence: home, family, ancestors and homeland. It is thought to be a deeply private house – the place where we can go to rest or recharge ourselves. It is said to indicate the beginning and end of all things, representing childhood experiences that give rise to an unconscious emotional experience of life, the vulnerability of old age, the process of death, and funerals. The beginning of the 4th house is the Nadir or the lowest point of the Natal chart. The Moon has been given natural rulership of this house.

The 10th House traditionally rules your career, your public reputation, your worldly status. It suggests your optimum contribution to society, the qualities for which you'd like to be admired and respected. What you “make of yourself” is a 10th house matter. Claiming your authority is THE 10th house passage. Planets in the 10th and/or ruling the Midheaven suggest how authority figures are perceived and conditions the way they're seen. It is thought to be an “inescapably” public house. The beginning of the 10th house is the Midheaven – the highest point of the Natal chart. Saturn has been given natural rulership of this house.

Maureen:  Please comment on the significance of my Moon being conjunct my Midheaven in the 10th House (opposed my Nadir, 4th House) – as a way to illuminate the function of the Houses.

MEntity:  The 4th House is an Intellectual House that can help describe those influences of imprinting that come from within the intimate or immediate circle.

It can also describe the basic roots of Self-Karma that will then be played out in the world through the symbolism of the 10th House. It also helps describe how one thinks of himself beneath the surface of how he presents himself.

The 10th House can describe the imprinting influences that come from outside of the immediate or intimate circle, such as those in institutions and communities.

It can also help describe how one goes about presenting himself to the world (10th House) in comparison to how he feels about himself (4th House).

The 10th House is Higher Intellectual, and is the process of extracting truth from the insights gained by the Intellect.

It could be said that the 10th describes the path that may be created in pursuit of the truths that are important because of the ideas collected from the 4th.

MEntity:  Your Moon in the Tenth House might suggest that your pursuit of the truth is through the resonance and empathy gained by your own emotional experiences and wounding.

In other words, you navigate to those who share in similar struggles, which is then met with a mix of repulsion and attraction, of course.

This is because the navigation comes from the intention of using your own inner stories and insights to help bring truth to others, but you may find that they also have truths for you. The latter can sometimes be met with resistance/repulsion (hence, the opposition to the 4th).

Understanding that the 10th House qualities not only lead you to those with whom you can share new truths, but also to those who can share them with you.

MEntity:  The 10th House is also where the Body Type is influenced at the point of conception, as the 10th House could be said to describe one's own ideas given form, be they in terms of career, or creating a life.

5th and 11th Natal Houses

• 5th House could be called: The House of CREATION (or Creating)
• Astrological counterparts: Fire (Social), Leo, Fixed, Sun, #5
• Relationship to the Michael Teachings: The Moving Center ‘Energy’- in terms how it is used to secure the Life Force, –The Goal,
• The True and/or False Personality and how it is being manifested, and also – the challenges or strengths one has in allowing one’s Support Circle or the Development of Support
• 11th House could be called: The House of CONSTELLATION (or Uniting)
• Astrological counterparts: Air (Universal), Aquarius, Fixed, Uranus, #11
• Relationship to the Michael Teachings: The Higher Moving ‘Energy’ – the Utilization of Support developed in the 5th House, +The Goal, House where the Goal is held

 

 

Maureen:  Michael – Please give your perspective on the Astrological, Natal 5th House. The 5th House traditionally rules risk-taking, gambling, creativity, children and love affairs. It’s the House of joy, fun, giving love and spontaneous self-expression. Planets placed here would likely describe how we act out our child-like innocence and fantasies of our specialness.

Please give your perspective on the Astrological 11th House. The 11th House traditionally rules “hopes & wishes”, groups, organizations, community, friendships and allies. In the 11th House we discover we are not alone in the world, we can experience the strength of a collective stand and the society of others. Planets placed here would likely show how well we “fit in to the group” or what type of group we would choose to “immerse” ourselves in.

MEntity:  We may respond to both questions as one answer to cover both.

 

 

The 5th Natal House could be said to symbolize the Moving Center in terms how it is used to secure the Life Force. The 2nd House could be said to symbolize how the Moving Center is used to secure the Body's survival, but the 5th is what is then done with that Body.

Maureen:  As a follow-up question -- Would the 5th House then relate to the 3rd CF ?

MEntity:  In response to the follow-up question: As Chief Negative Features are developed as habits after the life begins, they are not natively described in Houses. However, a retrograde or opposing angle may give hints as to where and how the Chief Negative Features are developed.

MEntity:  Though correlations can be drawn between Houses and certain Overleaves, it might be said that the 5th House describes the whole that is greater than the sum of the parts, in terms of Overleaves. The True and/or False Personality and how that is being manifested.

This is the House that also describes the challenges or strengths one may have in terms of allowing one's Support Circle.

While the 2nd House might describe how or what one does to survive, the 5th House might describe how or what one does to feel alive.

We remind you that our responses are abbreviated, and that no response on this subject should be considered complete while exploring it in this format.

The 11th House, then, might be best understood in terms of being related to the Higher Moving Center.

It is the House that represents how one is utilizing the Support gathered in the 5th House. The 5th House is the development of Support, while the 11th is the utilization of that Support.

This House is also where information about the Goal is held.

Maureen:  in what way?

MEntity:  The Goal is the entire motivation for a lifetime and a Personality. It is action-based, and requires interaction with the world for fulfillment, therefore, it is the part of the Personality that ends up moving that Personality into the path of people.

It could also be said that this is the House of Agreements and Configurations.

In terms of "in what way" the House holds information about the Goal, that information would be revealed by what Sign rules the House, what Planets may be present, their Angles, and any other considerations relative to that House.

The combination of factors would have to be interpreted as a whole, just as any other aspect of Astrological insight.

Maureen:  If there is time - for illumination - what is the effect of having my South Node in the 5th House / North Node in my 11th?

MEntity:  We cannot interpret your Nodes in any meaningful way in this allotted time , but we can say that this combination you describe suggests a process for the Personality to learn to remove or rise above the demands and expectations imposed upon your relationships, and returning them to states of pleasure, innocence, and playfulness.

6th and 12th Natal Houses

• 6th House could be called: The House of WHOLENESS (or Perfecting/Self Improvement)
• Astrological counterparts: Earth (Social), Virgo, Mutable/Cadent, Mercury, #6
• Relationship to the Michael Teachings: Emotional Center ‘Love’, –The Plan, Ordinal/Inspiration: How one is Inspired
• 12th House could be called: The House of MERGENCE (or Merging/Healing)
• Astrological counterparts: Water (Universal), Pisces, Mutable/Cadent, Neptune, #12
• Relationship to the Michael Teachings: Higher Emotional Center ‘Love’, +The Plan, Cardinal/Inspiration: How one Inspires

 

 

Note: This was the first question – on the 12th House – that started me off asking Michael about all the Astrological Natal Houses.

Maureen:  I have 3 planets (Sun, Venus, Mercury) in my 12th house. It is often described as being the house of isolation, hospitals, i.e., retreats of any kind, BUT I find this incongruent with the overall description of what it means to be “above the horizon”, usually pointing to “exposure” of sorts, for any planet placement.

What is Michael’s take on this? What is the “true” meaning of the 12th house in Astrology?

MEntity:  We would not qualify our response as clarifying the "true" meaning of the 12th House of a Zodiac, but we can say that it is A truth. As Astrology is a system of symbols, the flexibility of meaning and "truth" can accommodate a great many perspectives, maturities, and contexts.

Our perspective of the 12th House, in terms of the Natal Zodiac, tends to be that this is where issues of collective inheritance comes in, with the planets emphasizing how these would be brought through the Personality.

By "collective inheritance" we mean that which is a collection of imbalances, ideals, woundings, and/or patterns that are relative to a group of past Personalities of your Essence (past lives) or relative to those who your Essence intends to include as part of the current life.

For those who lean toward an emphasis of Healing within the lifetime, either of the self or others, there can be a tendency for planets to populate this House.

It could be called "The House of Healing," for that matter.

When the Sun is present, we would think this is relative to SELF; with Venus present, it would indicate realms of Intimacy; and with Mercury present, it might indicate the realms of Communication. Each of those areas may come with built-in challenges that prompt a development of techniques and methods for Healing.

This is a highly simplistic response, but a good start for consideration.

As a follow-up, at a later session, I asked the next question:

Maureen:  The 12th House: I find it incongruent with the overall description of what it means to be “above the horizon”, usually pointing to “exposure” of sorts, for any planet placement. Is it that planets that are placed in the 12th House could actually or potentially face such great “exposure” (being “above” the horizon) that the only recourse in “this life” is to seek retreat of some kind… so that healing can take place?

MEntity:  One of the only ways for healing to occur is through the exposure of wounding. Most are walking around exposing their wounds far more so than is realized. The 12th House helps to clarify that. The 12th House then is the exposed wounding, even if well-hidden. Healing is unnecessary without wounding, so there is a polarity, or dynamic here.

Maureen:  Thanks -- I've been wondering about that for years!

MEntity:  It can be a description of the patterns that have emerged in the life as a result of navigating with those wounds, but also the potential paths for healing.

At another Session, to complete the pairing, I asked about the 6th House:

Maureen:  I started (last time) with the 12th House – this time I would like to hear your perspective on the opposite house – the 6th House. Traditionally it has been called the house of service/bondage, health and work with the more modern twist leaning towards personal crisis or transformation -- where you either suffer or grow. The 6th House can also refer to daily time and how we spend it.

What is Michael’s take on this? What is your perspective on the 6th House?

MEntity:  In response to your question: it might be said that the 6th House is one where issues of Self-Improvement are of emphasis, which can show up all matters of the Self, such as health, career, work, how one experiences Time, and uses Time, and as such, refer to the use of Emotion.

It might be said, then, in simplistic terms, that the 6th House is relative to one's Emotional Center and how that manifests in one's personal world, whereas the 12th House might reflect how one's Higher Emotional Center manifests beyond one's personal world.

To expand upon that, it could be said that the 6th House describes how one is inspired, and the 12th House is how one inspires. Both are explorations of Inspirational qualities, relative to ordinal and cardinal contexts.

MEntity:  We have more to say, of course, but this is a start.

 

 

[Evelin]

Maureen, thank you so much for asking these questions, and posting the answers!

 

I have a "heavy" 6th house and despite being a somewhat-student of astrology since age 16, I've really struggled with the deeper meaning of the 6th house in the context of traditional astrology. Now as a Michael student, and in my personal context, I'd translate it into Growth, especially emotional Growth in my case.
My Moon is in conjunction with Neptune in the 6th, Uranus and Pluto are also in the 6th, so it's pairing the Moon-mundane with very out-there planets. Which is how I go about my daily inner life! I find correlations between my emotional state and astrophysics... I look at microcosmic things like the skin of my child and wonder about the crust of the Earth or the time-space fabric of the Universe. The way crema whirls on my morning coffee always reminds me of beautiful galaxies and gives me a visual boost far before the caffeine. (Yes, I have a Sagittarius Moon, LOL)
I also go through deep empowering changes (Uranus and Pluto) when processing intense emotions, and my dream life and imagination (Neptune) helps with this immensely, these inner transformations also hugely influence my health. As my 6th House is ruled by Mercury, it's about giving a voice to the Emotional center which tends to be mute on its own, and this voice very much makes me feel alive (Mercury in the 5th). Also, my house of Self-Esteem (immunity) is ruled by the Moon, so I "excel" at emotional illnesses, but getting through the emotional depths gets me back to better self-esteem and thus better health.

 

Wow... one hour of Michael Astrology and suddenly I understand my natal chart better than after two decades of independent research and reading several interpretations by experienced astrologers! ??

 

6th as the House of Wholeness really speaks to me, too. I'm not 7th Old, but I feel like I am doing a midterm overview of past personalities and subpersonalities in this life, gathering pieces that feel lost or fragmented, and integrating them, quite consciously, on many levels at once.

Maureen, I think you'd enjoy reading about the Houses and planets in the context of "esoteric astrology", which speaks more about the inner, psychological and symbolic aspects rather than "service, inheritance, hospitals" and the like, which always puzzled me, too I have all my books packed up at a friend's house right now, but once I move back to our renovated home, I might find some references.

Edited October 1, 2018 by Evelin

[Maureen]

6 hours ago, Evelin said:

Maureen, thank you so much for asking these questions, and posting the answers!

 

I have a "heavy" 6th house and despite being a somewhat-student of astrology since age 16, I've really struggled with the deeper meaning of the 6th house in the context of traditional astrology. Now as a Michael student, and in my personal context, I'd translate it into Growth, especially emotional Growth in my case.
My Moon is in conjunction with Neptune in the 6th, Uranus and Pluto are also in the 6th, so it's pairing the Moon-mundane with very out-there planets. Which is how I go about my daily inner life! I find correlations between my emotional state and astrophysics... I look at microcosmic things like the skin of my child and wonder about the crust of the Earth or the time-space fabric of the Universe. The way crema whirls on my morning coffee always reminds me of beautiful galaxies and gives me a visual boost far before the caffeine. (Yes, I have a Sagittarius Moon, LOL)
I also go through deep empowering changes (Uranus and Pluto) when processing intense emotions, and my dream life and imagination (Neptune) helps with this immensely, these inner transformations also hugely influence my health. As my 6th House is ruled by Mercury, it's about giving a voice to the Emotional center which tends to be mute on its own, and this voice very much makes me feels alive (Mercury in the 5th). Also, my house of Self-Esteem (immunity) is ruled by the Moon, so I "excel" at emotional illnesses, but getting through the emotional depths gets me back to better self-esteem and thus better health.

 

Wow... one hour of Michael Astrology and suddenly I understand my natal chart better than after two decades of independent research and reading several interpretations by experienced astrologers!

 

6th as the House of Wholeness really speaks to me, too. I'm not 7th Old, but I feel like I am doing a midterm overview of past personalities and subpersonalities in this life, gathering pieces that feel lost or fragmented, and integrating them, quite consciously, on many levels at once.

Maureen, I think you'd enjoy reading about the Houses and planets in the context of "esoteric astrology", which speaks more about the inner, psychological and symbolic aspects rather than "service, inheritance, hospitals" and the like, which always puzzled me, too :D I have all my books packed up at a friend's house right now, but once I move back to our renovated home, I might find some references.

 

 

@Evelin, this work with Michael took me a year to get through and every session blew me away. Actually, it still does ...when I look at it again.    I didn't publish it, in it's entirety, until we had completed the whole thing. I think I wanted it to read like a book.

 

Good analysis! It sounds like you are right on track. I feel this work fits perfectly with Michael students who understand enough of Astrology to follow it but want to learn even more about how their Personality fits within this lifetime, through the lens of an astrology chart and the Overleaves, and also (somewhat) within the grander theme of lifetimes. So, yes, "Good Work"' ...you are most definitely a good student.  

 

In regards to you "...doing a midterm overview of past personalities and subpersonalities in this life, gathering pieces that feel lost or fragmented, and integrating them, quite consciously, on many levels at once." I feel a kinship with anyone who is close to where I am on "the spiral" - no matter what "level" it is. Wholeness is wholeness. My husband is 7th Level Mature and he and I have a lot in common, with how we live our lives and understand one another, based on where (I can see) we both are at the "ends" (there are no actual ends - hence the quotation marks) of the completion of our cycles.

 

My favourite astrology teachers are Liz Greene and Richard Idemon. I met Richard Idemon and attended some classes he did in Toronto in the 70's for the Guild of Astrologers of which I was a member at the time. I loved him as a person, as a very fine astrologer, and as a brilliant teacher. His teaching style and wealth of esoteric and applied information was unparalleled. I couldn't say it any better than this memorial for him at this LINK. The Guild was only around for 12 years (one full Jupiter Return!) but we had some really terrific speakers and classes and met some extra-unique people.  

 

Richard Idemon died in 1987 (born 1938). In regards to Richard's work, he never published while he was alive but people who loved his work published his recorded seminars posthumously. Here is a quote "After Richard's death two people unselfishly worked with transcripts of Richard's seminars. Turning transcriptions into publishable material is a far more difficult task than one can imagine, so we have to thank Howard Sasportas and Gina Ceaglio for making Richard's vast knowledge and penetrating insights available in two books: Through the Looking Glass (1992) and The Magic Thread (1996)."

 

I found his work in the early 2000's when I was going through a contracted period (like depression but different) and needed a boost of nostalgic learning. I really missed attending substantive seminars like his and was delighted when I started reading his two books (which I ordered out of nostalgia) that they were literal transcripts. I was in "class heaven". As I read them (I'm really good a tuning in) I literally felt like I was a student at one of his seminars, again. His books remind me of the Messages From Michael and More Messages From Michael, etc. as you feel like you are included (as you read them) as part of the greater group of students who are participating in the classes. There is more than one way to be a virtual student - isn't there?

 

[Uma]

On 5/20/2016 at 11:17 PM, Maureen said:

MEntity:  One of the only ways for healing to occur is through the exposure of wounding. Most are walking around exposing their wounds far more so than is realized. The 12th House helps to clarify that. The 12th House then is the exposed wounding, even if well-hidden. Healing is unnecessary without wounding, so there is a polarity, or dynamic here.

 

On 5/20/2016 at 11:17 PM, Maureen said:

with Venus present, it would indicate realms of Intimacy;

 

very relevant to me and my chart! Thanks, @Maureen. A million thank yous for every word you have posted. It all helps me heal. YOU help me heal.

[Luciana Flora]

On 21/05/2016 at 0:17 AM, Maureen said:

MEntity:  One of the only ways for healing to occur is through the exposure of wounding. Most are walking around exposing their wounds far more so than is realized. The 12th House helps to clarify that. The 12th House then is the exposed wounding, even if well-hidden. Healing is unnecessary without wounding, so there is a polarity, or dynamic here.

I have 2 planets in house 12. Moon and Neptune.
I do not know exactly what it means, but what I read about the moon in box 12 says something about seclusion.

[Uma]

On 5/20/2016 at 11:17 PM, Maureen said:

MEntity:  In response to your question: it might be said that the 6th House is one where issues of Self-Improvement are of emphasis, which can show up all matters of the Self, such as health, career, work, how one experiences Time, and uses Time, and as such, refer to the use of Emotion.

 

@Wendy RosnerWhat's happening in your 6th House?

[Uma]

On 5/20/2016 at 11:17 PM, Maureen said:

4th and 10th Natal Houses

 

• 4th House could be called: The House of ~ IMPRINTING (or Belonging)

   

• Astrological counterparts: Water (Personal), Cancer, Cardinal, Moon, #4

   

• Relationship to the Michael Teachings: The Intellectual Center ‘Truth’, –The Resources, Roots of Self-Karma

@Wendy RosnerYou should enter your chart here so TLErs can comment and maybe give some helpful insights!

[Uma]

Looking at your chart @Wendy, this is really applicable to you. And the 6th/12th Axis is relevant to my chart. So much great info here for understanding astrological influences. Thanks @Maureen

 

[NickG]

Thank you for posting this Maureen. My own natal charts has most of my houses in the 12th house, and reading the description Michael gave you explains much about my life in terms of internal and external experiences. It's comforting in a way to see this is what was intended, at least through astrology's understanding, of my life and how it's unfolded.