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"eville expanded on the theme of how each of us is literally the Creator clothed in human flesh, slumbering to his own divinity. We live, Neville said, within an infinite network of coexistent realities, from which we select (rather than create) experiences by the nature of our emotionalized thoughts and expectations."

https://www.signature-reads.com/2018/02/neville-goddard-and-the-metaphysics-of-aspiration/

 

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ihynz

oops, *Neville

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Tawanyh

Hey there,  I was thinking of starting a thread on Neville because his work has been of great help to me these past few months, but I found this thread. Would love to discuss his writings with you 🙂 

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ihynz

Tawynyh!  Let's do this!

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Heidi

I'm in! Currently reading all of his works.  I've been wanting to ask Michael for his Overleaves. 

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Tawanyh
5 minutes ago, Heidi said:

I'm in! Currently reading all of his works.  I've been wanting to ask Michael for his Overleaves. 

Welcome! Glad to now have 2 people to discuss Neville with 🙂

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Maureen

“Capture the feeling associated with your realized wish by assuming the feeling that would be yours were you already in possession of the thing you desire, and your wish will objectify itself.”  ~Neville Goddard

 

From what little I've read of Neville Goddard he reminds me, a lot, of Abraham-Hicks. (Please add to or correct this observation if you feel it doesn't fit.  I just realized using the word "feel" was a bit punny ...considering). He seems to focus a lot on emotion and the imagination and not too much on action. Here is what Michael had to say about Abraham and his relationship with Esther Hicks:

 

Michael on Abraham

Excerpt from TT: 2009-09-13

 

Question:  Hello, Michael. You have begun to answer these questions in many ways throughout this chat. Perhaps, though, you could elaborate more specifically. 1) Are you aware of another mid-causal teacher who calls itself Abraham? They teach about the law of attraction and how we create our own reality/experience. 2) How do your teachings about karma and essence choices relate to their teaching? They teach about how we create our own reality through our vibrational offering and how we can control much of what comes into our experience by guiding our thoughts in a certain direction and paying attention to how we feel. They teach that what shows up in our experience is always (without exception) a match to our vibrational offering. My main question is 3) How much can we “control” from this PERSONALITY perspective? For example: if essence wants to learn lessons about poverty, would I be able to co-create wealth by my conscious, NOW focusing of my thoughts and attention?

 

MEntity:  In response to your questions:

 

1) yes, we are aware of this entity, who acts as a “channel” themselves for other entities. The entity who is identified as Abraham is of the Astral Plane, however, and acts as a medium for Causal Plane entities who are the source of the teaching.

 

2) We find our teachings dovetail quite well with the source of Abraham’s teachings, but we see some of that validity is lost in the translation through the channel and furthermore in the reception by the students. The emphasis on emotion and feeling is an emphasis of the Astral entity who is learning all about the dynamics of emotion on that plane, so that entity is teaching what it is learning, but leaving out some key elements that the Causal sources are offering. The emphasis on “vibration” is an Astral teaching, because that is the direct medium of experience in that plane, but this is a difficult and rather intangible term for most to find useful to any extent while Physical. It often leads to frustration and further division within the self as it seems this should be such an easy concept to harness and use. This is not to say that many do not “get it.” Many do. But those who truly grasp the teaching also grasp the limitations.

 

MEntity:  In answer to number 3: you have COMPLETE control over your lifetime as Personality. This is said, of course, with the caveat that “complete control” is meant in terms of CHOICE, and choice is often confined to certain parameters imposed by the nature of the Physical Plane, and the impact from others who choose to impact you. However, Essence NEVER imposes. Essence does not impose a lesson of poverty, for instance. Instead, it learns from the choices of Personality when those choices lead to a life of poverty. It is true that Essence may be curious or want to learn about poverty, but it does not impose those lessons. Essence may choose to be born within the conditions of poverty, but from there, the Personality is in control. Everything leading up to the first breath is the choice and creation of Essence. Beyond that first breath, everything is a result of choice made by the Personality.

 

The entire concept of “lessons” is a misnomer, by the way. Essence does not impose lessons, and neither does the universe, god, or any other force. Instead, “lessons” are simply what one chooses to gain from an experience. 20 children can be in the strictest of classrooms with the greatest of impositions to learn a certain subject, and all will leave having learned something varied, even if all of them can now add 4 plus 4.

 

You can create what you want with this life, within the parameters of what tools you have, what tools you gain, with your intentions, with your call for help and your openness for support, and your use of energy in a direction that is aligned with your desires, and your willingness to deal with the obstacles that arise from within and without.

 

Question:  What are some of those key elements that are left out of Abraham’s teachings?

 

MEntity:  What is missing is too much to explore here, but can be summed up in being the Causal aspects. The equation of creation that requires Cause, Force, or Action to be a part of it. The emphasis from the entity known as Abraham focuses on vibration, thought, and feeling, with some emphasis on doing, but the doing is then stripped from the teaching in the recipients’ interpretation as they are left presuming that reality is created merely from positive feelings and proper thinking.

For those who realize that reality is not simply something you wish into existence around you, but is one that is generated from your force in the world that is generated through your acts of choice, and your choice in action, then the teaching can be of great use.

 

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Janet
On 1/6/2019 at 12:16 PM, ihynz said:

oops, *Neville

Just in case you hadn't noticed, you can choose the Edit option to edit your posts to correct simple things like typos or to completely change the content if you change your mind on what you wanted to say or how you wanted to say it. 

 

I just point it out because it's not like the chat room where you can't edit, and some people might not have noticed this. 

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Heidi

@Maureen I respectfully disagree. I'm not a fan of Abraham-Hicks and think Neville's use of the word feeling in this case was taken a bit out of context. He is usually referring to what he calls "living in the end," where we use our imagination to create a desired outcome. Action and participation is still involved, of course. In all of his works, he encourages responsibility of the self, choice, and imagination as a powerful tool. I find a lot of his teaching dovetails with Michael, but I know he isn't everyone's taste.

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Tawanyh

Thank you @Maureen and @Heidi. Somebody recommended an Abraham-Hicks book and I have the e-book sitting on my laptop. I'll have both of your comments in mind if I decide to read it. And it's interesting to see the differences among Hicks, Michael and Neville, from where each is speaking and what each means by feelings, for example. 

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KurtisM

I dunno if this is totally relevant here but I'll share my perspective on Entities from both Planes:

The Astral and Causal are both useful when we apply them together.

Astral Entities share that if we surrender to the now & see and feel ourselves as if we already have what we want in the moment- we can create a vibration that is not as concerned with having what we desire as something outside of us, but with being who we desire and/or who we truly are. They're all about how manifestation occurs through reception, attraction and intention. So we see that feeling is not created through having, but through being.

Causal Entities share that if we choose to act on and effect/affect causes, and actively respond to any consequences beyond our control, our actions will build up to create a different reality for ourselves and others. However they also share that everyone is a factor and variable participating in this reality, so they are more objective and less obscured by sentiments. They're all about how manifestation occurs through cause, effect and dynamism. We see that all realities can diverge and merge through what we do.

 

Causal Entities sometimes transcend the emotional and inspirational factors that we as humans are still moving through. 

Astral Entities don't yet realize or account for the causal, active aspects that create and change our physical and multidimensional reality.

 

So put them together and we get the best of both worlds as guides for our evolution. The imagination and creation support each other. If we're only trying to create we can forget to check in with ourselves. If we're only trying to wait and perceive, we can forget to do something.

Although, I do wonder if Mature Souls are more likely to connect to Astral Entities (seeking and learning love) and Old Souls are more likely to connect to Causal Entities (seeking and learning truth).

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Tawanyh

@KurtisM thank you so much. Food for thought. I'll meditate on that. I'll reply to that tomorrow or another day but it definitely gives interesting thoughts. 

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Luciana Flora
12 hours ago, KurtisM said:

Although, I do wonder if Mature Souls are more likely to connect to Astral Entities (seeking and learning love) and Old Souls are more likely to connect to Causal Entities (seeking and learning truth).

@KurtisMI really think what you say here makes sense.

I say this because of the following, due to the few souls in Brazil and Michael saying that there are great pskets of mature souls there, I imagine that most of the people I met in spiritual groups in Brazil are mature souls ..

  And in Brazil no one knows entities like Michael. Mihcael, Seth no one has ever heard of these things around .. I'm really an exception ..

But teachings like those of Abranh are very popular in Brazil. What you describe about encinamentos de entidadfes in the astral fits perfectly in the speeches that I hear from the spiritualists here ..

But among Brazilians who live in Brazil it seems that only I know Michael .. and I really looked .. IoI
 

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Tawanyh

And this makes me think about, for example, when does love equate truth and when does it not? Do you think truth always has somewhere an element of love (even if it's "tough love")?

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Rat Attack

Michael has told me about Neville, but I've never felt compelled to explore his works - what would you recommend for a novice?

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Tawanyh
37 minutes ago, Rat Attack said:

Michael has told me about Neville, but I've never felt compelled to explore his works - what would you recommend for a novice?

"The complete reader", I suppose. Or "the collection". There's also a website with his lectures as audio, PDF and Text.

 

What did Michael say about him/his work to you? 🙂

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