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Former Alt Right Guy Talks About His Experience

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Man, if you guys have time in your day, check this video out. It's this kid who talks about the circumstances that took him from a liberal skeptic to a full blown alt right race realist. And how he made the journey back! It's totally captivating and eye opening. I got a lot out of it mostly because god knows I can be a total SJG (social justice general) and it causes me to skip over the humanity of some of these people I see as enemies. His story is really moving!

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michael_k

Interesting video. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people who believe in so-called 'race realism' live very sheltered lives, as the whole IQ argument collapses as soon as you learn something new from someone who is neither White nor Asian and bear witness to their intellect. I actually went through a long while where I questioned the worth of how we view intelligence altogether when I graduated from University and struggled to find my place like everyone else. I was always told that I was a smart person because I did well at my studies, but out in the real world, I was just trying to get by like everyone else, what was it worth? I now believe everyone can be intelligent in their own way no matter how society likes to measure by IQ or standardised testing or whatever, if you have something to give, you have something to give and the rest is just subjective judgement in one way or the other..

 

Ideology wise, I too like many people, wanted a free society when I started thinking about politics as a young adult, and also noted the need for cohesion for a free society to work. This didn't lead me down a conservative path, it actually lead me straight towards Marxism, as I felt that the corporations and the wealthy were responsible for preventing the freedom of the common person for their own selfish gains. While I believe this point can certainly be argued, I now believe that no society is perfect, and even the great socialist heroes didn't have all the answers or manage to perfect their society. Sometimes in fact, they made things a lot worse, and now I think its better to have a balance between powers like corporations and government, to provide the best freedom for people.

 

I liked the part where he said that he didn't think that attacking the alt-right with insults such as "Racist!" were doing any good, as I have noticed that myself. If people are shunned like that, it leaves them with little room to go but further into whatever toxic ideology they've come across, and the cunning people within that ideology group are only going to draw them further in and brainwash them more, worsening the issue considerably.

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Leela Corman

Interesting, I'll check it out when I take a longer break. I got very upset with my partner this morning for retweeting an article whose headline was "Why we should listen to Richard Spencer's wife" regarding his violence towards her. She's a translator of Russian neo-Fascist texts. That's her job. She's a Nazi. I found that I have nothing in me for them. Let them turn on one another, as they always do. I was struck, though not surprised, by the intensity of my feelings about this. Lie down with Fascists, wake up with bruises. This is not meant to be a judgment of an abused woman. This is about Nazis. I will recognize their humanity when they recognize mine, and that of my fellow citizens. Those people destroyed my culture, murdered my family, and would kill me and my daughter and my Black and Muslim and Latinx neighbors and students and friends. Fuck them. Let them turn on one another.

 

I made him delete the tweet. There are other women to extend our compassion to, who aren't white supremacists who want to kill the rest of us. I'm totally into people who come around, but I'm not one of those who can stick around to do the labor of helping them see the error of their ways. My energy is for the rest of us.

 

Phew sorry. I'm always glad when people leave these harmful beliefs behind but when they haven't, I'll just keep walking.

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Sam K

It's curious to me.  There are people willing and able to go out and do the work of pulling people like this guy out of the madness they've fallen into, and there are those who don't have the desire or ability to do so and prefer to focus on supporting those already on their side. 

 

This difference seems entirely natural to me, and a practical way for a larger movement to divide tasks, especially when PoC, women, and LBGTQ individuals are directly threatened by people with these beliefs and might be putting themselves in physical danger by even trying to reach out.  But I've also observed a very visceral friction between the two positions.  That is to say, those who are in a position to try to reach out and rehabilitate reactionaries often seem dismissive, or even outright offended by those who aren't, and vice versa.   

 

I don't understand why this is.  It's Good Work, but it's not Good Work that everyone should be expected to do.  Why the need to get on each other's cases about it?

 

 

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michael_k

@Sam K I've thought the same thing before. I think the people who want to stay with their own team and defend themselves get scared when they see others trying to communicate with the enemy side as they feel it is possible for those people to be converted to the enemy team and turn on the people they were previously defending. That, or they worry about people becoming not-so-enlightened centrists and trying to see both sides to the extent that they lose all clear principle and give platforms to negative ideas out of a sense of idealism or 'everyone having a point'.

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