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So we have gorillas and bees about to go sentient. Both under grave danger of going extinct (well, if bees go, we go too...)

Is this a *coincidence* or are there some meaningful themes playing out here given our own history of being saved and transported as a species right at the start of our infantry? Has this been discussed?

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Some Gorillas are already Sentient. Bees are not yet, to our knowledge.

 

I think the burgeoning Gorilla Sentience says more about the Essences exploring life in Gorilla bodies than it does about Humans. I don't see it as a 'karmic test' for Humanity, or as something that was ever destined, or meant to be, because ultimately it was the freely made choice of those Essences to incarnate as Gorillas, and they would not have chosen to do so if they had not found some value in the prospect of sharing a planet with Humans.

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@Juni, @AnnaD  there is a mention from fairly recent, i just can't find it with the search now! Fairly recent might also mean that *i* read it fairly recently 😏 .... I'm pretty sure it was liked or commented by @SunSand so Justine if you remember where it was...? 😕
 

However i did find another mention i had not read before myself, which is from one of Geraldine's sessions as below. Although here it says "has been considered for sentience" while i'm sure in the other transcript it was more like "about to become sentient".

"By no means is size relative to sentience. In fact, a species that has been contenders for Sentience on your own planet has been what you call Bees. 

 

The key for Sentience in its choice for a species includes the relative amount of manipulation capable over the environment, the relative amount of exchange with each other the species can have, the depth of experience that the species can access, and how closely it can be to the Sentient species already in place."

 

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20 hours ago, Connor said:

Some Gorillas are already Sentient. Bees are not yet, to our knowledge.

 

 Yep true, i was sloppy with my delivery. It was a "hey i'll post this question literally 1 minute before having to rush off!" sort of scenario - the only way i get anything done 😅 Sad but true, hello Impatience! 😛

Anyhow, thanks for the link. And you may very well be right with your speculation. It seems kind of odd, though, so i was also wondering if it was purely coincidental or somehow common for any reason for sentience to do this... it would seem really "dumb" though, to start the journey of sentience at the looming brink of a disaster, so i doubt any creature would want to plan it that way, but rather the exact opposite. And Michael did say our own situation was unforeseen. Which makes more sense. So coincidences, i guess. I just tend to find coincidences suspicious 😄

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From what I recall, the transcript you posted is the more accurate, i.e. that bees were/are under consideration for sentience, but aren't yet sentient. I want to say that elephants were another species that was a very high contender for sentience as well. 

 

There is a transcript somewhere I think that mentions that, while gorillas are endangered in this parallel, there are others where they are less so or not. So the sentience that is gorillas is/will continue in some form whether or not they make it "here."

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Oh elephants, makes so much sense! They are quite incredible. But i suppose their natural habitat and survival is not going so great either 😕 -_- I wonder if there is a parallel where their sentience was or will be a go.

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This transcript from 2008 is also worth exploring, since it asks one of the questions you asked: Why have Great Apes become ensouled when they’re on the verge of extinction?

 

MEntity: Both Human and Cetacean species were on the verge of extinction upon gaining sentience. Part of how a species develops sentience is often linked to the refining of the species to a small population.

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What a nice thought 😍

What kind of bees? You have different kind of both solitary and bumblebees as well.
The largest colonies are those those of Apis mellifera (European honeybee) that can grow to 80.000 or more.

Bumblebees nests during summer have around 300 bees and Indian honeybees (apis cerana indica) maybe 2000 - 3000. 
 

I would guess Apis mellifera to be the candidate then.
 

I keep three colonies at the moment each with an unique  personality. It is very fascinating to get to know them. If you tune in you can sense the intelligence and emotions going on. I never wear gloves and only put on veil if I feel the mood shift when checking the hives. Physically they will give short bumps on my torso or head to warn me and others or kind of buzz in a certain tone to indicate their irritation. Then I’ll take precautions. Only time I get stung is usually with other people in attendance that causes stress or makes me loose focus. I feel very familiar and harmonious around these fascinating insects, feeling love and admiration for their ingenuity and superb social structure. 

 

Bees have a very complex communication with “dancing“ and vibrations. They are highly sensitive to your emotions and Intentions. Humans and bees have a long history together (from the human perspective) going back 10.000 years. I sense that we might have some kind of an agreement together when it comes to the transition to sentience. 
 

A hive being then would be somewhat different from a human being even if we too could be said to be composed of different cooperating cells, bacteria and other forms of life.
 

A hive can send parts of its consciousness to different areas within 3km radius of its center of being. These parts can interact with other hive consciousnesses. At present it is very important during mating when groups of drones (male bees) travel afar often spending nights in different hives. These drones will end their live in midair during mating with queens that will then use the dna to “father” a new hive being. 

I can picture these intelligent sentient hive beings cooperating in building structures and advancing as a species  by developing  biological technology. 


One great thing about colonies of honeybees is that they will not wage war on each other. That might of course be due to the fact that their society is matriarchal. I would give everything to shift our society to being matriarchal as well, what problem that would solve!

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@Hjortur Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and experience on this! I have been meaning to start a whole new thread on bees, actually. I might do that rather than write my response and further thoughts here.

 

(and now i also saw that response from @Connor i had missed before 😀)

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@Miizle I'm looking forward to your new thread 🙂 Just some last point about their intelligence. I find that bees have a very special kind of intelligence and they can surprise a beekeeper in infinite ways 😉

 

What is known is that they understand advanced mathematics and communicate using complex vector analyzes on what route to take to pollen, nectar and water. They will offer a sample of their findings to other bees and then somehow vote on what to go for. 

 

Here are two videos I found on Youtube. 

 

 

 

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@Hjortur I will definitely check those out. You know, as a notification came on my computer screen about your message just then, it was the very moment another image appeared on my screen as i was looking through some designs:
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