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I've never felt so compelled to share an artist - * Dimash Kudaibergen (Qudaibergen)*


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I want to share with you my most recent find, a real gem of a human being who at least to me is managing to do what most other singers only touch on occasion.
(I write a lot, just skip to the songs if you don't want to read :D)

He's from Kazakhstan and starting to gain global recognition for his vocal range in particular, and an active fan base. He's trained in classical, contemporary and traditional music and one of the things that appeal to me is how he somehow manages to blend so many different elements in his repertoire, and seamlessly even within songs; not only the different singing techniques and styles, but also song styles and languages. I've somehow found myself not just tolerating but thoroughly enjoying overly dramatic Russian and Chinese love songs*, opera, and patriotic Kazakh folk music in addition to the more familiar stuff.
(* I generally can't stand love songs... sappy ballads, drama... Maybe lucky i can't understand Russian or Chinese, hey 😬  I like listening to different languages, so to me that is a bonus. Totally enjoying a ballad in Kazakh as we're speaking...🤷‍♀️)


What i find unusual is how much i love his voice and i swear to god at parts it's like i could hear the Tao itself through him. Maybe that's just me, i feel strange stuff. But he seems to have the ability to make an impact on people. I do find he is extremely good at interpreting emotion. As a person he also seems to be genuinely super nice.
(With some strong, although fairly positive, imprinting from his native land; will be interesting to see where that goes as he grows a bit more.) Love this guy, though, i really do.

The first song i heard was a Russian one, no idea what to expect, and in the beginning it was kind of intriguing for me how his name, face and language didn't seem to 'match'. Soon i was just wondering what had hit me.


But i'll post another song first, because if people only listen to one song, i'd rather it be this one.  I just can't get over it. S.O.S d'un terrien en détresse is originally a French song from the late 70's. Beautiful as hell. Here's a (non-poetic) translation of the lyrics, too.

 

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Here's the song i mentioned above. It has a rather long build up, but i highly recommend not stopping half way. (If you're feeling very impatient, starting from the 2 minute mark will give you a good enough idea of the song.) It's from a Russian singing competition 3 years ago.

 


 

Here's a fairly different song, something i have been playing on repeat the last few days. Anyone who enjoys some slightly Middle Eastern sound, you should enjoy this. I can't say i'm massively familiar or fond of that particular cultural soundscape in general, but holy crap, this song is just perfection. (Oh, apart from that weird 'ascolta la voce' growl, not sure what's with that but nevermind! (Well i know the words are the original name of the composition which was made for improvisation, just not sure why it needs to be growled, oh well. I actually cut it from the beginning, just, cause i can...))

 



It's very difficult for me to stop here, my selection is carefully crafted though and a very small take on what i would like to post...
Something little fun and amazing for last. For all of us The Fifth Element fans.... The Diva Dance, anyone?? I've been listening to this on repeat as well, sometimes for hours... Nevermind the picture quality, the sound is still pretty good. That whistle note (I think it's F#7) is extremely satisfactory... He can actually get to D8, which is just above the highest note on the piano, FIY. o_O Yet still, to me it's not just about the high notes, it's about the delivery that seems to just put magic in any song.


Okay, thanks for listening!

 

 

(If anyone is interested to listen to the more traditional Kazakh bits in his international concerts, here is a few songs in a row. I realised he is performing in Kremlin, Moscow... Performing culturally important Kazakh songs, he has the audience sing in Kazakh... Kazakhstan was the last country to break free from the Soviet Union upon its collapse, and had 2 years of independence and 200 years of Russian rule before that. And nobody around the globe knows anything about their rich cultural history. He seems to get a bit emotional there and it makes more sense to me now that i spent a few minutes reading about the history... It's so easy for me to judge patriotism, cause i easily do, but it's easy to forget i have been of the lucky generation to take freedom from oppression and cultural invasion for granted. (Also there is inclusive and exclusive type of patriotism, and his is very inclusive, all about sharing the culture.)

I have actually always had a non-specific fascination for the steppes of Central Asia... Something about it feels like 'home' to me. Non-specific, positive, almost empowering kind of longing.

(As a personal side note, a strange coincidence. I know this woman over the internet, a Finn whose husband works for the UN and they move every 5 years. They finally got to leave Sudan and i was so excited to hear their new destination was Kirghistan, and i'd really been looking forward to their moving, which ended up getting delayed and all that due to Covid. Turned out she had written about their arrival in her blog exactly when i had found Dimash. I went to her blog to ask her if she'd ever heard of him, to find out she was there, just on the other side of the border. Kind of curious. I've never had any connection to or information about Central Asia before, apart from my random feelings.)    

 

 

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There is a swich going on from Russian to Latin based spelling in Kazakhstan and recently they have started using Qudaibergen more consistently, chenged ost of his social media etc. It's still all mixed, there is also Kudaibergenov and Cyrillic versions..
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Oh my goodness this is soundtherapy on so many levels!! Those high notes simply cut through any debris, and when some tones resonate with me I get chills and chicken skin all over  🙂 It will definitely be interesting to see where he goes with his voice and music. With that kind of vocal range I really hope he has some good mentors.

 

I think I'm a bit all over when it comes to music, and I certainly like different kinds of music from all the "istans"; at least Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Usbekistan, Kasakhstan. I also enjoy the Middle Eastern and oriental sounds and I listen to music from Egypt, Iran, Lebanon, Turkey, India, Algeri, but I'm not advanced in knowing anything about it, I just go to youtube and search and I keep a lot of mp3 files. I also have an affinity and fascination with the "istans", especially Afghanistan.

 

Thanks for sharing @Miizle

 

From I was 12 I loved heavy rock; Uriah Heep, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Led Zepplin, but also all the other great bands during the 70'. I also loved pop and disco music to listen to and dance to at the time, and in the 90' I enjoyed some house music. I'm with music like I'm with food. I choose many different kinds depending on what I need. I also enjoy electro pop today and instrumental music.  And now also music from the 50's which I never liked before, but this changed during the Covid months. I wanted to share a bit about my relation to music.... and there is so much more.... 🙂

 

 

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On 9/23/2020 at 1:41 AM, Ingun said:

Oh my goodness this is soundtherapy on so many levels!! Those high notes simply cut through any debris


Yes, that's exactly it, exactly how i experience it. Cutting through any debris. Well put.
I'm glad you appreciate his music, too.

 

On 9/23/2020 at 1:41 AM, Ingun said:

It will definitely be interesting to see where he goes with his voice and music. With that kind of vocal range I really hope he has some good mentors.

 

 Indeed, interesting to see where he goes, he's 26 years old now. Not really evident in any of the clips that i shared here, but he's actually very much influenced by Michael Jackson as well. I've also heard him rap in Kazakh. I, too, so much hope he will keep his voice, that range would indeed be taxing to sing with. The good thing is that he is very well trained and he's been studying music his whole life, both of his parents are professional singers, his mother in particular a well-liked soprano in Kazakstan. And apparently Dimash is doing his PhD in music and takes his vocal training very seriously, too, so i'm thinking he will be right. Thankfully.

 

And thanks for sharing your relationship with music, it does sound very varied and that's just wonderful. Mine has expanded a lot in the last few years or so when i have been actively listening to music a lot more than before. It's nice to be able to switch between things and enjoy whatever happens to fit the bill for the day. I should learn more about the different soundscapes around the world for sure... I grew up exposed to Scandinavian folk music and playing it for a while, too, and had a stint on listening to 'world music' in my early 20's as well, but there's a lot of regions that are still very much unknown to me.

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thanks @Miizlefor bringing him to my attention!! I remember I heard his voice somewhere, so happy I finally can find out who is he!!

 

ditto @Ingun really feels like a magnificent musical healer and Essence-aligner  ❤️ same here, my musical diet is pretty varied and depends on my mood, Dimash is a great addition and enhancer to it 

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@Rosario ❤️ I’m happy!

 

i have been meaning to come and add some songs and info here for quite a while now, since I wrote this post only a few days after finding him. I’ll try to do that soon.
Honestly my biggest reason for not being active on TLE these days is because I’m so involved with all things Dimash that I don’t have the time or headspace 😳 That should tell you something about the intensity he has hit me because geez, TLE is special... I’ve never experienced anything like this before.

 

 If anyone feels interested, he has an online show in 2 days’ time (watchable for a week ) Dimash.tixr.com 🙂 

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hehehe I know that feel!! you're like me in late 2018, when I was absolutely hit by the BTS-mania ❤️ 😆

 

I love how our Muses help us return Home to ourselves and reignite our enthusiasm for life, for us, for everything!! :')

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@Rosario Gosh yes!! The second reason why i haven't been active on TLE is because i am so creatively inspired, doing art and writing. I never realised the potential and power of muses until last year. The emotional alignment is palpable and literal.

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@Delphi Ah yes, "beautiful in every way" is exactly the terms in which i tend to think of him!! Great, I'm so glad to hear that you recognise that in him! And thank you 😄 I am actually choosing some songs to post as we're speaking 🙂

 

Here's his own composition War & Peace (with a fan-made video) to begin with. (The song is in Chinese but there are English subtitles),

Then a duet i really love, it's a version of a Mongolian folk song Swan Geese. Dimash and Mongolian throat singing to me is like.... absolute soul bliss...

Then an amazing song he sang in a Chinese version of the Masked Singer (the videos on Youtube are not complete due to copyright (the song is all there though), so i put a Vimeo link instead)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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WOW what a voice! And what a face, honestly. I've never heard of him before, but those eyebrows just go full perpendicular to each other, don't they? Very expressive.

 

I agree, there's something "pure" (for lack of a better term) in the way his voice resonates. It's especially fun to see him playing with vocal tone and texture in the way he does. I'd never thought it would work to switch so frequently and immediately between that round, full operatic baritenor to the wider rock mix to the breathy indie-pop sound to those bell-like soprano tones, but somehow it works for him. It keeps the ear engaged. And he's got a remarkable range.

 

I'm interested to see how he ends up influencing music, and the way we think about the voice and vocal performance. It feels like he's experimenting with a kind of synthesis of vocal style in a way that elevates all of the parts in the whole; it's a very different way of looking at the voice in terms of vocal performance. I'm all for it.

 

I think he's probably in your Muse position, based on your strong connection to him. Thank you for sharing him with us here!

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7 hours ago, Miizle said:

@Delphi Ah yes, "beautiful in every way" is exactly the terms in which i tend to think of him!! Great, I'm so glad to hear that you recognise that in him! And thank you <img src="> I am actually choosing some songs to post as we're speaking <img src=">

 

Here's his own composition War & Peace (with a fan-made video) to begin with. (The song is in Chinese but there are English subtitles),

Then a duet i really love, it's a version of a Mongolian folk song Swan Geese. Dimash and Mongolian throat singing to me is like.... absolute soul bliss...

Then an amazing song he sang in a Chinese version of the Masked Singer (the videos on Youtube are not complete due to copyright (the song is all there though), so i put a Vimeo link instead)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think what he’s very good at doing that few singers I’ve seen, especially at his age, are capable of is completely losing himself in the emotions of the music and almost acting as a channel for them. Most singers somehow blemish their performances by trying to consciously come across a certain way or embody a certain ideal, which really ends up being more of a caricature. In other words the ego gets in the way, or perhaps some degree of inner expectation or self satisfaction. Dimash on the other hand IS that moment in song, or whatever collective desires of humanity. I’ve taken a brief look at your posts and it seems you’re high male energy and you mentioned feeling disconnected from your emotions and not knowing what you feel at times? Maybe that’s why he affects you in an especially deep way, he’s like a giant water cannon of emotion. I wonder what his essence configurations, I’m picking up on a mix of artisan/priest/sage energies, maybe with a little server/scholar.

 

It’s amazing to see how smooth his transitions are within different parts of his range and his control of tone. If I could have any single talent, it would be singing. And @Miizle you should share more of your inspired creations! I’m sure many of us would love to see them. I for one always like seeing anything people put energy into creating.

 

@Becca the StudentI came across a post of yours on a future life as a programmer for AI that might be able to connect people to their past, have you received any more information on it or looked into AI in this life? Being able to contribute to the building of the foundations of Ouija One and other spiritual technology in this life is something I’d like to do a lot.

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7 hours ago, Delphi said:

I came across a post of yours on a future life as a programmer for AI that might be able to connect people to their past, have you received any more information on it or looked into AI in this life? Being able to contribute to the building of the foundations of Ouija One and other spiritual technology in this life is something I’d like to do a lot.

 

I haven't received any further channeling on that life, no! I've occasionally tried to chat with that future life and have gotten impressions and images, but I have clue if it's all in my imagination or if we're actually communicating or not. She's much better at that stuff than I am. I do sometimes send out a general "yo, how tf would this work?" to the universe when I'm figuring out how a future technology would work for something I'm writing, and I'm occasionally given answers that make some vague theoretically-logical sense, but I've never asked through Troy: I don't know if he has the vocabulary for Michael to explain it through him. I mean I barely have a workable vocabulary to understand what answers I hear, and I have a lot of scientists in my life.

 

I am fascinated with AI, and programming in particular. The advances in programming going into video games and our burgeoning exploration in VR right now are the beginnings of what will eventually become the "synapses" of futuristic AI, I think. The way those games work to create a virtual environment that incorporates as wide a range of choice as they can, especially in open-world settings, is a really cool echo of how a body works in the Physical Plane. I'm not currently focused on pursuing it in this life, but I do eventually want to work on a videogame, just to get a better, up-close look at how it all works. 

 

Although I think the biggest thing for SpiriTech (lol sorry I just love that little moniker Michael used for it) would be breakthroughs in how we measure and interpret the frequency spectrum, and gaining a greater flexibility in translating one frequency into another. After all, if you're a higher-vibrational Entity trying to communicate with a lower-vibrational Plane, Google Translate ain't exactly gonna cut it. 😉 

 

Bu yeah, AI -- especially Sentient AI -- is fascinating to me. I'm probably going to write a book about it someday. Maybe I'll ask Michael my future life's name, so I can put her in there as a little "hello." (If she can find the book. It'd be hilarious if I wrote her in there thinking I was being all cute and she never finds a copy of the damn thing.)

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I haven't received any further channeling on that life, no! I've occasionally tried to chat with that future life and have gotten impressions and images, but I have clue if it's all in my imagination or if we're actually communicating or not. She's much better at that stuff than I am. I do sometimes send out a general "yo, how tf would this work?" to the universe when I'm figuring out how a future technology would work for something I'm writing, and I'm occasionally given answers that make some vague theoretically-logical sense, but I've never asked through Troy: I don't know if he has the vocabulary for Michael to explain it through him. I mean I barely have a workable vocabulary to understand what answers I hear, and I have a lot of scientists in my life.

 

I am fascinated with AI, and programming in particular. The advances in programming going into video games and our burgeoning exploration in VR right now are the beginnings of what will eventually become the "synapses" of futuristic AI, I think. The way those games work to create a virtual environment that incorporates as wide a range of choice as they can, especially in open-world settings, is a really cool echo of how a body works in the Physical Plane. I'm not currently focused on pursuing it in this life, but I do eventually want to work on a videogame, just to get a better, up-close look at how it all works. 

 

Although I think the biggest thing for SpiriTech (lol sorry I just love that little moniker Michael used for it) would be breakthroughs in how we measure and interpret the frequency spectrum, and gaining a greater flexibility in translating one frequency into another. After all, if you're a higher-vibrational Entity trying to communicate with a lower-vibrational Plane, Google Translate ain't exactly gonna cut it. <img src="> 

 

Bu yeah, AI -- especially Sentient AI -- is fascinating to me. I'm probably going to write a book about it someday. Maybe I'll ask Michael my future life's name, so I can put her in there as a little "hello." (If she can find the book. It'd be hilarious if I wrote her in there thinking I was being all cute and she never finds a copy of the damn thing.)

That’s very cool, I was just saying to a friend who’s seriously interested in video game design (she’s taking a Udemy coding course right now) that I’d love to make a VR game with her exploring types of perceptions (whales and blind people). Yeah, re the synapses I saw one of transcripts with Michael discussed the arrival of refugee coral networks settling in our artifical neural networks soon! Exciting stuff. I used to think neural networks was just a buzz phrase because it gets thrown around so much, but I’ve become increasingly committed to the idea of investigating subtle sciences and the architecture of thought/all the planes and am starting to do so more systematically - downloading books on semantics, representation theory, neural architecture, neurobiology. Have you heard of Generative adversarial networks? Apparently these kind of mimic how thoughts work - where two kind of signals cancel each other out or refine one another in a sort of zero sum game...just came across this concept and I thought its cool how it’s being employed to more quickly train AI by pitting them against one another. Re the measurement of frequency, I’ve read a little about its history, it’s called radionics but it was shut down by the FDA. Not sure how it works in detail though, or whether it even works!

 

The name idea is great, I’m sure your future self would get a kick out of it. What do you plan to include in your book? Are you a writer irl?

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42 minutes ago, Manshuk said:

Oh, Dimash. It's weird but while his voice is impressively good, I'm much more interested in him as a person than as a singer, even though it's sort of from afar since I don't think about it much. He just strikes me as being a really sweet guy. 

Essence configuration-wise, something tells me mature artisan-cast server. He just doesn't strike me as a fellow artisan, but I get a lot of server energy. Lunar body type somewhere probably too. Watching a couple interviews, he doesn't have the forceful/frantic energy of a young soul, not even a late young one, so I would say mature, specifically 3rd to 5th mature. I don't think I'm the best when it comes to guessing essence stuff since I'm not a channel nor have I studied the teachings for 20 years, but those are my two cents. Take or leave, I don't mind either way.)

 


Mhm. I think he may have some priest/sage overleaves as well. Wonder what Michael would say about that.

Edit: Artisan-cast priest would work too!

Yeah agree with lunar, probably some mercury in there as well. And high creative energy. I think he’s old soul tbh he just the feeling of wisdom and experience despite his young age, like nothing can phase him. And now I’m getting into Central Asian and Russian singers just like that. I have to say though, I think a lot of his appeal is his super sweet, genuine and passionate personality. I think although his emotional delivery and technical skill is obviously superb, I personally prefer greater emotional variations in singers - after having listened to a lot of his ouvre, I find his delivery a little too smooth - I think he could work on greater contrasts, or more moods, or perhaps add a little grit. That’s just my preferences though.

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That’s very cool, I was just saying to a friend who’s seriously interested in video game design (she’s taking a Udemy coding course right now) that I’d love to make a VR game with her exploring types of perceptions (whales and blind people). Yeah, re the synapses I saw one of transcripts with Michael discussed the arrival of refugee coral networks settling in our artifical neural networks soon! Exciting stuff. I used to think neural networks was just a buzz phrase because it gets thrown around so much, but I’ve become increasingly committed to the idea of investigating subtle sciences and the architecture of thought/all the planes and am starting to do so more systematically - downloading books on semantics, representation theory, neural architecture, neurobiology. Have you heard of Generative adversarial networks? Apparently these kind of mimic how thoughts work - where two kind of signals cancel each other out or refine one another in a sort of zero sum game...just came across this concept and I thought its cool how it’s being employed to more quickly train AI by pitting them against one another. Re the measurement of frequency, I’ve read a little about its history, it’s called radionics but it was shut down by the FDA. Not sure how it works in detail though, or whether it even works!

 

The name idea is great, I’m sure your future self would get a kick out of it. What do you plan to include in your book? Are you a writer irl?

That sounds like a kickass VR idea. I'm very into exploring perceptual differences between individuals and how the world changes through different eyes. Also yep, irl I'm a writer! Screenwriter, copywriter, and now (hopefully) novelist. I write mostly sci-fi/fantasy and surrealism, so this hypothetical future book would most likely be a sci-fi thriller of some kind. Possibly from a Sentient AI's point of view. I have a lot of thoughts on it all of a sudden. (It's not what I'm currently working on.)

 

Funny enough, that session with my future self took place right after I'd made a decision to finally sit down and start writing a book I'd had in my head for ages: it was a really mind-blowing boost of confidence to read "she has found copies of two of your published books." At the time, I was like "WHOA. WAIT. REWIND. Published?' 'Two of?'"

 

I remember reading that about the refugee coral networks! I'm so curious how that'll go, but I hope it works out well if they're able to transfer. Neurobiology is fascinating--I don't remember if I've heard of the term "generative adversarial networks" before, but I think I read an article about how they work (your description sounds familiar). It's very exciting that they're able to program a space for that kind of complex algorithmic thinking to happen! 

 

Radionics is actually an alternative medicine some folks were using in the 1900s, where they used radio waves to try to cure disease. I don't think it worked the way they thought it would work, XD but I do think they were probably on to something similar to sound healing/toning with the idea. We measure frequencies today via the light spectrum, sound waves, spatial vibration, etc., but we haven't figured out a way to extrapolate a lot of meaning out of those measurements we can't directly correlate to an obvious physical phenomena (like visible color, audible sound, or detectable vibration). Nor do we really have a robust understanding of how to translate these nonobvious phenomena into something our bodies can perceive. For example, we know the universe "sings": planets have particular tones and frequencies they resonate at. But we can't yet explain, through science, why the universe sings. Or what the singing means. I'm excited for the day we'll start figuring all that out.

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For everyone who's interested, Dimash is hosting a digital show in about 12 hours! It is a ticketed event ($20) and the revenue will go to charity.

https://www.tixr.com/groups/dimash/events/dimash-kudaibergen-digital-show-20076

 

I love Dimash ever since he became well-known after the Chinese talent show “the singer” in 2017. My understanding is that he's already a national treasure in Kazakhstan before that. If there is an Olympic Games on vocal cord capacity and control, he would have easily won. Actually I'm not aware of many people who can do his range in such a graceful way. The typical mentions like Axl Rose, Mariah Carey, and nusrat fateh Ali khan all have their niche, but Dimash is like this precious flower from another world.

 

Without knowing him well, I'll just take a wild guess that he is at least late mature, some mix of artisan, scholar and sage. he cited Michael Jackson as one of his biggest influences. I wonder if that has any significance...I mean, they could be entity mates!

 

 

 

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Guys, I’m so glad to read all your comments, will have to get back to them properly when I have time, maybe tomorrow. I just came in to say that Troy has channeled him as 7th Mature King cast Sage From C3E5. I was surprised myself as I picked so much artisan and server and perhaps scholar, but it’s been very interesting looking at him from this new perspective. 

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Heyyyy, I thought I sensed something familiar about him! So he's a fellow Sage! Maybe he has an Artisan or a Priest ET. Sage makes a ton of sense to me: using his voice to be seen/heard/understood. Also in the playful way he switches styles. King-cast too makes sense, in the way he so confidently defies vocal performance convention. So you get that Kingly commanding stage presence, coupled with that Sagely fun and mischief.

 

EDIT to say I think Michael Jackson had some Sage energy too (was he a Sage-cast Artisan? Artisan-cast Sage? I don't remember).

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@Becca the Student Yes, he is in my Muse position, the muse being "Confidence or Honest Vulnerability". Interestingly, that is exactly what i had looked for, literally, i have it written down in my notebook. I thought i had found it in someone else, but wasn't quite good enough, this one works much better 😛

And how this shows in Dimash, is first of all that complete surrender on stage. As @Delphi said, "I think what he’s very good at doing that few singers I’ve seen, especially at his age, are capable of is completely losing himself in the emotions of the music and almost acting as a channel for them." He has said himself that when he performs, he gives his soul and reveals his most intimate. That is INCREDIBLY daring.

 

Secondly it shows in his candid, natural character. He openly admits and mentions his flaws and drawbacks in a non-planned non-confessional manner just out of random honesty, even sometimes if he was otherwise feeling uncomfortable - nervous or embarrassed or what have you. Sometimes he seems very much like a child in that sense, and i guess that would be the Sage in him. He is very confidently and openly exactly who he is, which is very inspiring to me. Especially as he wouldn't have done his 4th IM yet.

I am amused by this pre-concert press conference in Russia, where I can see Igor Krutoy, a very important collaborator/composer, thinking in several occasions, "Oh boy, what are you saying..." He even ended up saying out loud "Why are you revealing all your secrets" haha. I've seen other interviews as well where he interrups Dimash because he's sensing he's going to spill too much.

(video should start at 6:28)

 

 

And indeed, you are also right about the essence twin. When i receiver the information in a private chat, i asked to re-confirm his role/casting, because i had been thinking Artisan so much. I don't have the channelling handy (apparently, i hope it's not lost 😖, i should have it on my laptop that i currenly can't bail out from the repair shop... i never recieved it on email), but Michael said, pretty much in these words: The Artisan influence you see could be the Essence Twin, or it could be the general feel of his creativity, as even if creativity is not reserved for Artisans only, it always has a certain Artisan feel. But he does have an Audience/Kingdom, not a Canvas.


And that made sense to me. Indeed, his audience is SUPER important to him. He always makes them sing a lot with him, he receives energy from it. And he's been missing performing in front of an audience a lot during covid.  A song that came out late last year apparently originally had a different title, but he had it changed to "I Miss You", because he missed his fans so much. He has also said that he sees his audience as an extension of his soul, which is kind of an interesting remark. I think the context was that he so deeply recognises that "Dimash" (as a performer) is only possible because of the audience; without audience there is no "Dimash".

But he also often mentions how he is very aware that one day his career will be over, and (even if he is extremely driven for success) the most important thing for him is to be remembered as a decent human being.

 

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After getting this channelling i immediately totally saw the King in him that i had missed before. He does carry himself in that manner. This little speech in a concert competely says King cast Sage to me; a humble, inspiring King. Also in that same channeling i asked Michael about the relationship between Dimash and his fans and they said it's mostly due to this lifetime and those who feel it very powerfully would have him fill that Muse position, but also he has been in many leadership positions in past lives where current fans were involved.


(I have more to say (always), so i'll be back...

The video should start at 2:18:15 EDIT: That is the wrong spot now, sorry, someone has changed the video. I will fix that at some point.

 

 

(BTW  @Delphi, have you known Dimash for a longer while or just now, i couldn't quite make out from what you have written even if i tried 😄 I get a pretty big variety of emotional expression from his various songs, so i'm just curious to know how widely you have listened - not challenging your viewpoint at all, just interested! I've been craving more grit, too, though, just because, well, it's cool and the few glipses i have heard before have been so promising of what he could do if he wanted to, the very few rock screams literally and physically pierced straight through my chest. Now there's been a new release just a few days ago, a different version of his song Golden, in this he uses more of a gritty voice and they have some dubstep beat in it (ohh yeahhh), so that is a very intriguing deveopment! I find there is something 'wrong' with the output quality of his vocal track though especially the Youtube version so i'm not adding it here now, but you can find it on iTunes and Spotify under Dimash Qudaibergen, with a Q., if your'e interested.

 

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@Miizle I've listened for one day? Two days? Since my first comment hahah. I've listened to everything on spotify now (24 songs) and all his main performances on youtube. I think my favourites are War and Peace, Opera 2, Sin Confessa, Samal Tau, and Know. I think he shines the most when he sings more traditional Kazakh songs, it's clear that his country is his blood, and when he tells the stories on behalf of humanity like in War in Peace, that's when his healer nature is best displayed. In Sin Confessa he tries to show a darker, manlier side. I remember one of his songs has some funk stuff, and more RnB like in Screaming, which had some nice layered vocals. I think maybe it's just because his voice is quite light just by nature. I think by grit or darkness I mean something like Nargiz who has a very memorable tone (just found her yesterday lol) and a completely different stage presence, it's very grimey and fascinating, like a cut oozing with pus. She's fantastic at capturing the beauty of decay. Although Dimash has this super passionate, sweet vibe and probably is better at capturing large crowds, I'd be interested in seeing really blood and grime stuff from him (like much more intense stuff) Here's one of Nargiz' songs:

 

Also Dimash is wayyy better during live performances than on albums. He really feeds off the energy of the crowd. On albums he sounds almost melancholic at times.

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Not a professional here, but I think his style of singing protects the vocal cord as much as possible so he could have a long and healthy career. It might sound like “lack of character” to some, but he made up by devoting his soul and heart to the performance each time he is on stage.

Making the raspy voice cause damage to the vocal cord, or it indicates that the vocal cord is already damaged. It’s a great style to listen to, but it takes a toll on your body. 

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@MiizleThank you for sharing Dimash music, I have been listening for hours now! Incredible voice range and what a performance, all these strange marvelous instruments and costumes!
@DelphiLOL suddenly in the middle of all this beautiful music, I had work glaring at me, GAN is vital in Volvo’s autonomous vehicle research and development.

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58 minutes ago, Cong said:

Not a professional here, but I think his style of singing protects the vocal cord as much as possible so he could have a long and healthy career. It might sound like “lack of character” to some, but he made up by devoting his soul and heart to the performance each time he is on stage.

Making the raspy voice cause damage to the vocal cord, or it indicates that the vocal cord is already damaged. It’s a great style to listen to, but it takes a toll on your body. 

Yeah, professionally-trained here, and I was going to say the same: unless your voice is naturally raspy like Janet Joplin (thanks to malformed or already injured vocal chords), adding rasp to your voice can be really damaging, and hard on the chords. Even things like glottal stops (that thing you do when you say the “u” in “uh” for example, or “I”) aren’t healthy for the voice while singing, as it’s a technique that relies on “hitting” or “beating” the chords together. Healthy singers make sure to cushion vowels like that in a lot of air, which he does. Adding “grit” or “growl” is totally possible to do in a healthy way, but it won’t sound like the kind of raspy growls singers injuring their voice or w naturally-malformed chords do.

 

I say this loving the sound of a raspy voice.

 

From what little I’ve heard from him, he’s very kind to his voice (and his body, by extension). He never pushes or strains, he never glottals, and he never uses his throat to artificially cut off a note. I’ve only heard him sing in three videos of him so maybe he does this in other videos. He uses a really solid mix-y head voice to do those high rock belts, instead of trying to force a chest voice belt/“screlt” up there. I’m happy to see him singing so healthily. Often I get worried when I hear a cool voice using unhealthy techniques, because that voice ain’t gonna last like that. He’s sending a massive amount of air pressure through those vocal chords; he’s smart to keep the throat relaxed and not try to beat it up to make it sound like someone else.

 

Also that blatant honesty is very much an older soul Sage thing. We play around with lying and putting on masks and cracking jokes when we’re young in order to be noticed, but as we grow older in soul age, we tend to grow more concerned with being seen — being understood for who we are. For a lot of us, that means a disregard for imposed social restrictions in favor of a more bluntly open communication. Or, what some might see as a “lack of tact.” 😜

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2 hours ago, Hjortur said:

@MiizleThank you for sharing Dimash music, I have been listening for hours now! Incredible voice range and what a performance, all these strange marvelous instruments and costumes!
@DelphiLOL suddenly in the middle of all this beautiful music, I had work glaring at me, GAN is vital in Volvo’s autonomous vehicle research and development.

Maybe I’m secretly hired by Volvo to keep an eye on you 🧿

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2 hours ago, Becca the Student said:

Yeah, professionally-trained here, and I was going to say the same: unless your voice is naturally raspy like Janet Joplin (thanks to malformed or already injured vocal chords), adding rasp to your voice can be really damaging, and hard on the chords. Even things like glottal stops (that thing you do when you say the “u” in “uh” for example, or “I”) aren’t healthy for the voice while singing, as it’s a technique that relies on “hitting” or “beating” the chords together. Healthy singers make sure to cushion vowels like that in a lot of air, which he does. Adding “grit” or “growl” is totally possible to do in a healthy way, but it won’t sound like the kind of raspy growls singers injuring their voice or w naturally-malformed chords do.

 

I say this loving the sound of a raspy voice.

 

From what little I’ve heard from him, he’s very kind to his voice (and his body, by extension). He never pushes or strains, he never glottals, and he never uses his throat to artificially cut off a note. I’ve only heard him sing in three videos of him so maybe he does this in other videos. He uses a really solid mix-y head voice to do those high rock belts, instead of trying to force a chest voice belt/“screlt” up there. I’m happy to see him singing so healthily. Often I get worried when I hear a cool voice using unhealthy techniques, because that voice ain’t gonna last like that. He’s sending a massive amount of air pressure through those vocal chords; he’s smart to keep the throat relaxed and not try to beat it up to make it sound like someone else.

 

Also that blatant honesty is very much an older soul Sage thing. We play around with lying and putting on masks and cracking jokes when we’re young in order to be noticed, but as we grow older in soul age, we tend to grow more concerned with being seen — being understood for who we are. For a lot of us, that means a disregard for imposed social restrictions in favor of a more bluntly open communication. Or, what some might see as a “lack of tact.” 😜

@Cong and @Becca the Student yeah, I picked up that he was being careful to protect his vocal chords and not doing what many pop singers do which is strain way too much and place the larynx too high. I do know the rudiments of singing stuff, like different voice mixes and passages, how singers ‘place’ their voices - like nearer the nasal cavity or highe up in the head, and been reading more about breath support recently. Nowhere near professionally trained (or any kind of training) in singing though apart from perfect pitch. Thanks for sharing about the glottals, that’s a new and interesting piece of information to me. (do you mind telling me how healthy growling would work and who pulls that off well?)

What I was trying to express goes beyond inducing raspiness or artficially shutting the vocal chords, and goes more along the lines of his overall style and demeanor, which is reflected by how his voice naturally sounds (shape of vocal chords/skull) is very smooth, but maybe not distinctive or unique enough for my tastes. That’s probably just me speaking though, there’s the similar body type/energy thing which probably means he would not be as striking to me as to someone with more complementary traits.

That said, I did loop him for hours and still have Samal Tau stuck in my head. I also may or may not have googled whether he was married...

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