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Religion: The mechanism of turning truth into bullshit


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2 minutes ago, Delphi said:

I think the key to not coming across weird and fringe is showing step by step how certain conclusions are reached, starting from shared assumptions and beliefs. 

May work for some things like art or science. It doesn't matter how you present your views on politics or religion. Even the most free thinking group has a mean you need to conform to, because it's a group.

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I always thought of religion as a question that's dressed up to look like an answer. The original primordial question, "who am I?"/What is this life?" has been plowed over with an 'answer'. Religion i

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@petra you are cracking me up - you’re on fire today!    @Anirudh Ramachandran that was all very interesting. I really enjoyed how you mapped out your process! I certainly hope the Michael teac

1 minute ago, Anirudh Ramachandran said:

May work for some things like art or science. It doesn't matter how you present your views on politics or religion. Even the most free thinking group has a mean you need to conform to, because it's a group.

haha those people need a framework for individual evolution, and the deeper reasons for taking on certain views...maybe like michael teachings lol. cant run before u walk.

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20 minutes ago, Anirudh Ramachandran said:

Oh wow. You really need to give yourself some credit. You don't come across as a dumb person at all. I was just thinking I wish I had your knowledge when I was at that age.

you are too kind haha...also the internet and ebook industry is probably far more developed now. my memory is honestly quite poor for someone supposedly studying history and just in general i can't recall many important facts and like glossing over peoples arguments a lot because im always rushing to get to the point.

 

but speaking of being fringe, i've found a lot of people like to tell me whats so - might be because of youth/gender, or maybe a general aura of receptiveness which some may confuse as just plain confusion, ignorance or weakness. 

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34 minutes ago, Delphi said:

you are too kind haha...also the internet and ebook industry is probably far more developed now. my memory is honestly quite poor for someone supposedly studying history and just in general i can't recall many important facts and like glossing over peoples arguments a lot because im always rushing to get to the point.

 

but speaking of being fringe, i've found a lot of people like to tell me whats so - might be because of youth/gender, or maybe a general aura of receptiveness which some may confuse as just plain confusion, ignorance or weakness. 

Recalling facts isn't as important as understanding and applying.

 

And most people meander instead of getting to the point.

 

Self deprecation does that to you. People think you're stupid when you're just not confident. Work on your feature, and the world will change.

 

This was an amazing conversation. I feel like I've finally found my people. Let's all be weird together!

@petra @Delphiloads of love to you both!

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I always thought of religion as a question that's dressed up to look like an answer. The original primordial question, "who am I?"/What is this life?" has been plowed over with an 'answer'. Religion is a changeling, a system of beliefs that are inculcated, then administered. And is now all about power over people. The 'answer' provides what ee cummings might call a "cosmic comfort station" for the believers, but it kills the deep inquiry.

The primordial question is a special one. It is not a subject/object or call & response where there is a questioner(subject) who then gets an answer(object). This question is a fire that is stoked hotter and hotter until it consumes the questioner and what remains is the answer. The questioner stands in the place where the answer will come, and must vacate. What Dame Julian described as "the purification of the motive in the ground of our beseeching". The darkness cannot stick around to be there when the light comes on.

There are no caterpillar test-drives or try-outs for the role of butterfly. Nor does the seed live to see the flower.

 

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1 hour ago, Troy said:

I. Love. This.

Ditto!! 

 

Needing a definitive concrete answer to a question that exists to exist. Quite Baby/Young, isn't it? "Who am I?" "Why am I here?" As we grow older we learn through experience these questions are prompts, invitations to creation, to choice. I can see how religion will naturally fade to the background of society as we Mature and grow Old -- learning to be inclusive of paradoxes, of differing experience, and of individual choice. Looking at it through that lens, it does suddenly seem as inevitable a part of evolution and Michael says it is. Thank you for that framework, @William!

 

Also seconding @petra, I just read this entire thread this morning, and wow was it like reading a train leaving a station and chugging up to maglev speeds. Absolutely joyous watching such a bouncy exchange of ideas!

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5 hours ago, William said:

I always thought of religion as a question that's dressed up to look like an answer. The original primordial question, "who am I?"/What is this life?" has been plowed over with an 'answer'. Religion is a changeling, a system of beliefs that are inculcated, then administered. And is now all about power over people. The 'answer' provides what ee cummings might call a "cosmic comfort station" for the believers, but it kills the deep inquiry.

The primordial question is a special one. It is not a subject/object or call & response where there is a questioner(subject) who then gets an answer(object). This question is a fire that is stoked hotter and hotter until it consumes the questioner and what remains is the answer. The questioner stands in the place where the answer will come, and must vacate. What Dame Julian described as "the purification of the motive in the ground of our beseeching". The darkness cannot stick around to be there when the light comes on.

There are no caterpillar test-drives or try-outs for the role of butterfly. Nor does the seed live to see the flower.

 

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That's intense! You've clearly put in a lot of thought into this.

 

I see that you're second old like me. Is this just part of the soul age (stability and balance of truth) that we feel an inclination to search deeply for truths?

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7 hours ago, William said:

I always thought of religion as a question that's dressed up to look like an answer.

This is the best. I laughed out loud. Thanks @William high five entity mate. 

Also, @Anirudh Ramachandran, you had me at "Religion: The mechanism of turning truth into bullshit". I don't need to read anymore.... in that I can deeply sympathise with that statement more than I'd want. 

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