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https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/02/scientists-entered-peoples-dreams-and-got-them-talking

 

In the movie Inception, Leonardo DiCaprio enters into other people’s dreams to interact with them and steal secrets from their subconscious. Now, it seems this science fiction plot is one baby step closer to reality. For the first time, researchers have had “conversations” involving novel questions and math problems with lucid dreamers—people who are aware that they are dreaming. The findings, from four labs and 36 participants, suggest people can receive and process complex external information while sleeping.

 

The researchers asked 158 questions of the lucid dreamers, who responded correctly 18.6% of the time, the researchers report today in Current Biology. The dreamers gave the wrong answer to only 3.2% of the questions; 17.7% of their answers were not clear and 60.8% of the questions got no response. The researchers say these numbers show the communication, even if difficult, is possible. “It is proof of concept,” Baird says. “And the fact that different labs used all these different ways to prove it is possible to have this kind of two-way communication … makes it stronger.”

After several questions, the dreamers were woken up and asked to describe their dreams. Some remembered the questions as part of a dream: One dreamer reported math problems coming out of a car radio. Another was at a party when he heard the researcher interrupting his dream, like a narrator in a movie, to ask him whether he spoke Spanish.

 

The experiment provides a better way to study dreams, says lead author Karen Konkoly, a cognitive neuroscientist at Northwestern University. “Almost everything that’s known about dreams has relied on retrospective reports given when the person is awake and these can be distorted.” Konkoly hopes this technique could be used in the future therapeutically to influence people’s dreams so they can better deal with trauma, anxiety, and depression.

 

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Looks like scientists are one step closer to figuring out how to deliberately manipulate the astral and the world of the mind...my previous session on a parallel where scientists made much progress in mind reading and used it for nefarious purposes...

 

"4. Can you elaborate on my 22nd century dystopian dream? Was there validity to my perception of the subconscious being sealed off by certain biochemical inhibitors, or the way I consciously focused my thoughts on nonsense to prevent my mind from being read by the government?   

 

MEntity

In response to FOUR: It is quite valid that there comes a controversial period of time where the mind of individuals can be readily exposed to biochemicals that block certain neural functionality, such as memory and subconscious. This has already started in your current lifetime in medicine, and it evolves over time to truly help repair and revitalize many who suffer from 

 

trauma, indoctrination, and mind-fuck. In the time period and parallel in question, it has been weaponized and attempts made to alter entire populations."

 

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Manshuk

Jesus. This is the exact reason why I'm extremely untrusting of "progress". It always has the potential to be weaponized and it often is, since "the masses" are often seen as an uniform well, mass, of idiotic and robotic people you can just use as your own guinea pigs. Science becomes nothing more than a political tool, not an actual way to understand how physiology and biology works on a physical level, and now it's very hard to discern what has been altered to fit the current agenda from what is actually true. And those inventions that we don't even need! I mean, it is a good idea for people with trauma but... we have helped this for the longest time ever and it works, so why get into something as dangerous as manipulating the mind like that?

This scares me beyond belief. I sincerely hope this parallel doesn't ever happen, just like a future that is overloaded with tech to the point we're almost no longer human beings.

 

Nobody touches my astral and my mind!

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Becca the Student

Oh man, do scientists like to crow about officially recognizing something that already exists. 😆 Therapeutically working in the dream-state/the Astral is something we're already doing: it's called therapeutic hypnosis and meditation. Maybe this legitimatizes that work in the neuroscience community somewhat, but it's nothing new. We've been doing it since ancient times.

 

That said: as someone who has had to deal with anxiety disrupting my life, I find the possibilities this may open up for modern psychological medicine heartening. Recognizing the dreamspace as a valid reality where you can communicate could lead to some cool breakthroughs in healing. @Manshuk I understand fears of possible dystopia, but a) it's a parallel, which means it's one of multiple timelines, and you may or may not be there. If you're present in that parallel, it's because if you're interested in exploring it; if you're not interested, you're probably not there. 🙂 And b) I know many people, including myself, whose everyday lives would benefit immensely from a better understanding of the human brain. We do need better treatment for trauma, depression, and anxiety. Our current treatments for these are not effective. I say this from personal experience: I've gotten some help and some relief, but I'm still living with crippling anxiety, and it effects everything I do. Nothing's 'healed,' just 'somewhat alleviated.' Most people living with the effects of trauma are in the same boat as I am. Normal life is out of reach for us -- and that sucks. Medicine must evolve.

 

Try to work through your fear of the future. If you don't want this dystopian parallel to come into being in this timeline, for example, than do the work here and now to ensure it doesn't. Be kind to people. Support good causes. Create a kinder world now, and you build precedents and standards for the future. If it really scares you and you're a creator, feel free to write or draw about it as a kind of societal warning. There are many more parallels currently in existence where technology improves our lives and our relationship to the planet than there are dystopian techno-autocracies. 😉

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1 hour ago, Becca the Student said:

Oh man, do scientists like to crow about officially recognizing something that already exists. <img src="> Therapeutically working in the dream-state/the Astral is something we're already doing: it's called therapeutic hypnosis and meditation. Maybe this legitimatizes that work in the neuroscience community somewhat, but it's nothing new. We've been doing it since ancient times.

 

That said: as someone who has had to deal with anxiety disrupting my life, I find the possibilities this may open up for modern psychological medicine heartening. Recognizing the dreamspace as a valid reality where you can communicate could lead to some cool breakthroughs in healing. @Manshuk I understand fears of possible dystopia, but a) it's a parallel, which means it's one of multiple timelines, and you may or may not be there. If you're present in that parallel, it's because if you're interested in exploring it; if you're not interested, you're probably not there. <img src="> And b) I know many people, including myself, whose everyday lives would benefit immensely from a better understanding of the human brain. We do need better treatment for trauma, depression, and anxiety. Our current treatments for these are not effective. I say this from personal experience: I've gotten some help and some relief, but I'm still living with crippling anxiety, and it effects everything I do. Nothing's 'healed,' just 'somewhat alleviated.' Most people living with the effects of trauma are in the same boat as I am. Normal life is out of reach for us -- and that sucks. Medicine must evolve.

 

Try to work through your fear of the future. If you don't want this dystopian parallel to come into being in this timeline, for example, than do the work here and now to ensure it doesn't. Be kind to people. Support good causes. Create a kinder world now, and you build precedents and standards for the future. If it really scares you and you're a creator, feel free to write or draw about it as a kind of societal warning. There are many more parallels currently in existence where technology improves our lives and our relationship to the planet than there are dystopian techno-autocracies. <img src=">

I think its great to be honest that we have technologies that make the choices so stark, I think most people are awakening to the consequences of apathy more and more. I have a feeling that we're going to select the positive parallel. The therapeutic work is not new, but widespread investigation means we can systematically make progress, remove biological or physical obstacles to emotional and mental wellbeing. i mean caretakers clearly have advanced psychic technology, so i'm sure we can if we would like one day too. just, of course, we have to be ethically ready for it. but discussion of scary alternatives like this is actually important in terms of highlighting the power of choice. 

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11 hours ago, Delphi said:

The experiment provides a better way to study dreams, says lead author Karen Konkoly, a cognitive neuroscientist at Northwestern University. “Almost everything that’s known about dreams has relied on retrospective reports given when the person is awake and these can be distorted.” Konkoly hopes this technique could be used in the future therapeutically to influence people’s dreams so they can better deal with trauma, anxiety, and depression.

TW TRAUMA TW SEXUAL TRAUMA TW CSA (i was 18 but that's a child imo)

 

~unapologetic celebration for myself and all trauma survivors for this news lol~

 

as someone who suffered for years with excruciating nightmares due to sexual trauma for a few years (and still occasionally worry they might pop up), this is really and truly wonderful news. i remember when i first self-diagnosed myself with ptsd before i could get a dr to do it, they said it lasts forever/the rest of your life and to an 18 year old that DID NOT SOUND FUN AT ALL  -____- 😞lol. anyways all of the progress they've made over the years with research on neuroplasticity and epigenetics and (with my own research) traditional non-western medicine, energy work, psychedelics 😉, cannabis (in moderation!), unhealthy habits i had to shake off etc etc...truly amazing. truly hope-filling and world-expanding and inner child calming. i'm living proof lmfao 

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Becca the Student
41 minutes ago, Delphi said:

I think its great to be honest that we have technologies that make the choices so stark, I think most people are awakening to the consequences of apathy more and more. I have a feeling that we're going to select the positive parallel. The therapeutic work is not new, but widespread investigation means we can systematically make progress, remove biological or physical obstacles to emotional and mental wellbeing. i mean caretakers clearly have advanced psychic technology, so i'm sure we can if we would like one day too. just, of course, we have to be ethically ready for it. but discussion of scary alternatives like this is actually important in terms of highlighting the power of choice. 

Oh, absolutely. I was more responding to Manshuk's fearful rejection of all technological progress and scientific investigation than responding to your original post. I think when you're in a rejective fear like that, it's important to recognize the wide range of choice: yes, it's absolutely important to recognize there are scary alternatives, but the existence of probable harmful options doesn't negate/preclude the existence of probable beneficial options. Focusing solely on the negative makes it difficult to navigate your life (says the girl with anxiety). I was hoping to help Manshuk widen the perspective a bit, to see a more whole picture of what's possible. 🙂

 

It's absolutely cool that neuroscientists are starting to work on verifying what goes on when we dream, and I'm thankful you shared this! It helps to verify some of the Astral stuff we talk about here, and I think it may be a step toward recognizing consciousness as a mathematical variable in life.

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