Essence victim

[Jean-François Lozevis]

A humoristic question: can the personality be the victim of its own essence? Essence can choose a bad event to happen in the life of the personality who asked nothing of that.

Maybe my skepticism overleaf pushes me even to not trust at 100% my own soul... At 'face' value.

More seriously, I believe that everything in the material world is fallible by moments, Tao, Angels and all. Maybe it's a wrong belief.

What do you think of these rantings?

[Juni]

Essence only gets involved if invited. The Personality is in control from the first breath to the last, otherwise. The Ms are very explicit about that.

[Sam K]

"Victim" generally implies an external perpetrator. I don't view Essence and personality as being so separate that one can "victimize" the other as such. They're the same being, acting under different parameters. Essence makes decisions that, when combined with the decisions it makes "later" while enmeshed in the limited perspective of a personality, can create unexpected outcomes. Not "bad" outcomes, mind you, as there's no such thing for Essence. But Essence-as-personality may, in the moment, perceive them negatively.

[John]

7 hours ago, Jean-François Lozevis said:

What do you think of these rantings?

 

I find such musings engaging (not sure if "entertaining" is the best word for them!) 

As for the specific scenario posed by your question, my own answer would be more "no" than "yes" -- but while I don't think Essence is necessarily in a position to choose particular bad events to happen in the life of a given Personality (at least, not once the Personality is out of the planning-their-life phase and immersed in existence) ... I do think Essence can choose to send a Personality into a time, place, society, or (very broadly) "life" which the Personality does not consent to be in (and, if they had been provided with sufficient information to form an informed opinion ahead of time, the Personality would never have consented to be incarnated into.)

But then again, my own outlook on the whole Essence/Personality dynamic/relationship situation (in as much as the two are different) is ... hmm ... let's say jaded at very best!  Even bitter!

 

On the plus side, it seems that problematic situations seem rare -- as my own views on the subject are very much in the minority!  Huzzah for that!

[Crystal]

I don’t think it’s so much as Essence saying “muah ha ha ha, I will now torture a Personality for funsies!” But Essence wants to gain experience, and sometimes things look trivial on the non-physical planes that are a Very Big Deal on the physical. Think of reading a Stephen King book versus being a main character in a Stephen King book. And if Essence wants the experience, sometimes it writes a check that Personality can’t cash. 

 

Personality is not a victim but can find itself in over its head. Or finding out that a fun adventure has been ruined by rain, crappy hotel rooms, and a twisted ankle. Nobody’s fault but rather “the best laid plans of mice and men…”

[Jeroen]

9 hours ago, Jean-François Lozevis said:

A humoristic question: can the personality be the victim of its own essence? Essence can choose a bad event to happen in the life of the personality who asked nothing of that.

Maybe my skepticism overleaf pushes me even to not trust at 100% my own soul... At 'face' value.

More seriously, I believe that everything in the material world is fallible by moments, Tao, Angels and all. Maybe it's a wrong belief.

What do you think of these rantings?

 

There are two different perspectives to consider. One is the perspective of the personality and the other is the perspective of the Essence. When we are born, we are usually born with a blank slate in terms of memories. We incarnate into a new body as a new personality with no memories of who we were before. This can make it feel like the lifetime was imposed upon us by an external force and that we are being punished through what we experience. In truth, Essence is actually us and we chose to create our lifetime before we are born even as we may not remember that we did so. As we navigate through a life and begin to remember the wholeness which we are a part of, we may begin to remember that this life was not an imposition but a choice. We may remember our life task that was chosen by us too and choose to live in ways that align with that task.

 

From an Essence perspective, Essence knows that it is truly safe. However, choosing to incarnate comes with inherent risks that Essence may through its own naivety not have a true comprehension of. The physical plane can be messy and painful. There are risks to the wellbeing of the physical body in relation to how much care is given to the body and from sharing in space with other people. The body can be harmed and even die under certain circumstances. For example, you may have all these life plans and then you cross a road and are unexpectedly run over by a concrete truck which wasn't planned for and happened because one or the other wasn't paying attention. It happens. That is the nature of this plane of existence. As the future cannot be predicted due to the power of choice and due to living as part of a reality shared with others who have a choice too, the life may unfold in ways that are different from what was originally planned.

 

The personality in many cases has a choice in how to navigate through a life and to create what is desired, but there will always be risks and pain. In some scenarios, other people who we share a space with may interfere with our power of choice. Sometimes plans that a personality makes in a life fail because there are no guarantees that those plans will work out. All you can do is lift yourself up and try again if you choose to do so. Depending on where the personality lands for Essence manifestation in a lifetime, there may come a point where the life is co-created by Essence and the personality together through the work of overcoming division within the self. This is beneficial because then the broader perspective of Essence can help you navigate to where you would like to be. I don't think Essence ever desires to cause harm to a personality that is a part of it. This would be the equivalent of causing harm to itself and wouldn't make any sense to do. From what I understand, Essence has infinite compassion for it personalities and lifetimes. The expectations that an Essence may have for a life may be very different from what the personality experiences as expectations from others or that have been placed upon themselves.

 

From personal experience, I would say that the more you include Essence, the more Essence becomes aware of the full nature of a lifetime that includes all variables such as the spectrum of emotions that range from pain/sadness to joy/pleasure, dream and desires, disappointments and successes, and more. It is just a matter of including Essence so that there is an awareness of what is being experienced and what is desired. No lifetime is going to be positive, successful, and full of ecstasy from birth to death. There will always be challenges along the way. Helping Essence to have awareness of what is going on in a life opens up possibilities to navigate through those challenges in ways that may not have been considered before.

[L. P]

When you (as a general "you") understand in fundamental level that you are not your mind, all sence of victimhood just drops off. After that it just does not matter. You are Essence. Essence is  you. Mind is just a survival machine and can't perceive much above that. As long as you identify with your mind, you also can't perceive much above that.

 

After letting go of my mind and stopping demanding it to find solutions to my problems, I've seen literal magic happening. Problems get solved, sometimes in the last minute, without me lifting a finger. It takes lot from me to just trust that Essence will take care of things, it is not easy, but when I do, things just work out somehow. I also communicate to Essence and guides what I want or need, out loud or in writing. Sometimes it works fast, sometimes nothing seems to happen. We are living in a co-created world, there are tons of other people here too, so orchestrating things will take time. Sometimes there are agreements and simply things that Essence wants to experience. You can kick and scream, or you can just let go of your mind and co-create with Essence. I have tried both and the latter is much easier way to live imho.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 12, 2022 by L. P

[Katja]

Here was a moment of synchronization. I argued with my Essence about the same topic, couple of nights I couldn't sleep. My platform this year is Perseverance, and I really had to struggle with trust. Sometimes I go deep to feeling of worthlessness and insecurity, but I come soon back to surface. It is possibility to learn, if I am willing to learn. If not, I can continue struggling and arguing, but Essence will learn anyway.

 

@Jeroen, I love your description. Thank you for it. 

 

"You are not your mind"

@L. P, that is a good point to remember. Mind makes simple things more complicated than is necessary. 

[Katja]

I remember that there was quite similar thread some time ago, and I found it, here is it! 

 

https://our.truthloveenergy.com/topic/4087-is-personality-just-a-puppet-to-essence/

[Jean-François Lozevis]

On 12/12/2022 at 5:07 AM, Jeroen said:

From what I understand, Essence has infinite compassion for it personalities and lifetimes.

Are you sure of that? I wonder...

[petra]

@Jean-François Lozevis  I found this from 20030803 Michael Speaks: Energy Report and Open Floor: Excerpt:

 

It is the Personality that "controls" the lifetime, not the Essence. While Essence can offer an overall theme to the lifetime, it is the choices and decisions of Personality that create the path of a lifetime. As each choice is made, Essence can "spin off" versions of that lifetime into "parallels", allowing thousands of versions of the Personality to fulfill. Eventually, and as part of any final cycle of lives, the Personality and Essence become "ONE" and a kind of "telescoping" of all lifetimes occurs, with all Personalities across time finally experiencing a sense of Home.

[Philip Wittmeyer]

Apologies that my response to this thread is happening long after it has gone cold or stale.

A couple of decades ago this question was asked in the michaelteachings.com discussion list.

Attached find an edited version of the answer that I gave then.

It more or less concurs with the gist of the answers already given.

SelfKarma.pdf

[Crystal]

Thank you, @Philip Wittmeyer, that was a very helpful paper to read. It does more or less concur with what I had thought of as “self karma.” Also that, as the Kenny Rogers song goes, “every hand’s a winner, and every hand’s a loser” - you can’t always tell what someone will do with the hand they are dealt.