Elizabeth Holmes and Steve Jobs

[ckaricai]

Originally posted to eTLE by DianeHB

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I've posted about Elizabeth Holmes before on the old TLE site after first reading about her in Forbes. I really resonated with her because she's really all about doing something that benefits people on a large scale. At first I felt bad about myself because she's close to my age and already running a multi-billion-dollar company, and she knew what she wanted to do with her life early on. However, I felt better after finding out that she's repaying massive karma and had to get a move on. ;) I personally am pretty excited about access to more frequent and cheaper blood tests to get better health information, so I can't wait for her company's technology to become more widespread.

 

From 9/2/2014:

 

DianeHB: May I have the Role, Casting, ET, Soul Age/Level, Cadre/Entity for Elizabeth Holmes (founder and CEO of a company called Theranos)?

 

MEntity: If we are seeing the correct fragment, this looks to be the mid-Mature Artisan-cast Priest from Cadre 3, Entity 5, with the Warrior Essence Twin.

 

DianeHB: Oh ok, I thought she had to be a King.

MEntity: There are Cardinal/Action Overleaves here, as well, but you may also have intuited the Action of the Essence Twin through the Cardinal Role.

 

From POF 4/19/2015:

 

DianeHB: You once mentioned that Steve Jobs was repaying collective karma incurred in his lifetime during the Inquisition where he used his creativity to invent new forms of torture. I'm wondering if Elizabeth Holmes, founder of a company called Theranos with the mission to innovate blood testing technology, is also repaying collective karma in a similar vein to Steve Jobs. Jobs is her big role model, and that's what made me wonder. I read that she is actually quite afraid of having her blood drawn, which led her to invent a technique that can do a large number of tests on a few drops of blood. I'm wondering if the blood thing is a resonance with lifetimes involved in war and torture.

 

MEntity: Your assessment is correct. The fragment in question here helped to implement various methods of stripping skin from bodies while keeping the individual conscious.

 

DianeHB: Holy shit

DianeHB: Also during the Inquisition?

 

MEntity: Yes.

 

DianeHB: Also, was Steve Jobs another Artisan-Cast Priest like Elizabeth Holmes? What Cadre/Entity is he in?

 

MEntity: The fragment in question is not a Priest, but an Artisan. We can explore this question in more detail in another exchange.

 

Follow up on 5/19/2015:

 

Diane:  Can I get the Casting, soul age/level, and cadre/entity for Steve Jobs? You gave me Artisan role before.

 

MEntity: We think this is the 7th Level Mature Priest-cast Artisan from Cadre 3, Entity 3.

Edited May 30, 2016 by ckaricai

[SunSand]

Damn. I always had a feeling about Steve Jobs like there was something pretty wrong with him. I never really liked the guy even though he is 'role model' and I probably should because I like design and I work with technology. Then again the feeling could just only be my bad experiences with Apple products that I project upon him. 

Edited August 19, 2016 by SunSand

[Janet]

Steve Jobs did not do those awful things nor Elizabeth Holmes either. They are both different personalities from the ones that incurred the karma, and it was not required of them to attempt to resolve the karma. It was their choice to take actions that may have helped do this. I suspect that every one of us has past lives where "we" did all varieties of pretty rotten things.

 

 

[Miizle]

Hm, i didn't really think of it when i read this, but in fact i, too, have always had trouble believeing in the goodness of Steve Jobs. I thought it was just because of all that big corporation stuff. I heard he was a zen buddhist... i didn't believe it... There was always something slightly vile about him for me, even if i knew almost nothing about him (and still do). I don't know if it's related in any way, though. We've all had lives with some pretty bad activities... Although that is really quite evil (if evil existed =P) and fairly recent (if linear time existed =P)

 

edit: oh yeah, Janet beat me to it.

I'll just add this, that i've had this repulsion/fascination towards torture, so it does make me wonder if there is any link between me and Jobs and those inquisition times. I went through a phase as a teenager when i was very interested in withes and witchcraft, and around that time, too, had this recurrent fear i was going to be blamed and procecuted for things i hadn't done... Still, no idea if this is at all related though.

Edited August 19, 2016 by Miizle

[Juni]

Maybe his Priest-casting was showing up as Zealous?

[Sarah]

Does anyone know if there is more information on Cadre 3, Entity 3? That's my Entity. I'm curious as to the Entity's composition. I'm Artisan, too. Are there lots of those in C3E3?

[Janet]

If you use search and enter 'Cadre x Entity y', or 'CxEy', and you don't find much of anything, it's because no one has yet asked questions about the entity (and POSTED the answers, which is key). 

 

The majority of 'visible' Michael students are from Cadre 1, and they've been around long enough to ask a lot of questions and receive a lot of answers about their entities. (Some Michael students even make the mistake of presuming you're from Cadre 1 if you show up in the Michael community to any extent; that's how active Cadre 1 has been to date.) 

 

Cadre 2 started showing up here at TLE in strength at about the same time that I arrived around 2010. I have personally asked quite a number of questions about my own C2E6 and now there is quite a bit of information about that entity here on the site.

 

Cadre 3 just hasn't had sufficient active students show up and start asking questions (yet).

 

The moral of the story: if you don't find the info about your entity here and you're interested in knowing more, it's up to you to ask the questions. There are freebie Ask Michael events, and there are reasonably priced POF sessions as well as private sessions. If you've paid for a subscription, there are the special subscription events as well. 

 

[H2nna]

8 hours ago, Janet said:

Steve Jobs did not do those awful things nor Elizabeth Holmes either. They are both different personalities from the ones that incurred the karma, and it was not required of them to attempt to resolve the karma. It was their choice to take actions that may have helped do this. I suspect that every one of us has past lives where "we" did all varieties of pretty rotten things.

 

 

Yes, but reincarnation (or getting through a grand cycle) is team work. Karma can give a lot of extra drive to "be successful" or whatever is needed to balance the energy.

I'm also very fascinated what happened to Elizabeth Holmes' company?!?!

[Cong]

7 hours ago, H2nna said:

Yes, but reincarnation (or getting through a grand cycle) is team work. Karma can give a lot of extra drive to "be successful" or whatever is needed to balance the energy.

I'm also very fascinated what happened to Elizabeth Holmes' company?!?!

 

Her company is in major trouble now. A few months ago Wall Street Journal published an article questioning the validity of their blood test results, and it cost quite a stir. It was then revealed that they never received favorable reviews from the FDA. My understanding is their machine can only cover a small portion of the few hundreds tests they claim to do, and for the ones that they can test with a few drops of blood, the result is not really accurate and consistent enough to be of medical use. The blood samples they took get heavily diluted in the process and it's causing an inconsistency. Also if you look at the company's board members, you will find ex Secretary of the States, ex Secretary of defense, senators...etc. Wouldn't it be bizarre for a technology company to have majority of its board being politicians?

 

Personally, I believe she had good intentions and was on the way to create a product that will benefit people on a large scale when she first started. But unfortunately they decided to cover unsuccessful results by lying to the investors and the public when there are money and fame at stake. I hope she can learn the lesson here and eventually comes back with a device that's truly beneficial.

   

Edited August 20, 2016 by Cong

[Guest Matt]

8 hours ago, Sarah said:

Does anyone know if there is more information on Cadre 3, Entity 3? That's my Entity. I'm curious as to the Entity's composition. I'm Artisan, too. Are there lots of those in C3E3?

My wife Amy who is also on this site is C3E3.  I only have info on C3E2.  

[H2nna]

Maybe this is karma creating more karma? It's an incredible story, I'm dying to know what's really going on. And how long Holmes was "corrupted", she had to know...

[Janet]

7 hours ago, H2nna said:

Yes, but reincarnation (or getting through a grand cycle) is team work. Karma can give a lot of extra drive to "be successful" or whatever is needed to balance the energy.

 

I agree, but I don't think it's right to assume a current personality is evil because a past personality did something horrible, nor to assume a current personality is a saint because a past personality did something awesome. 

[ihynz]

I'm confused, who was the Inquisition torturer, Jobs or Holmes?

[Connor]

On 8/20/2016 at 7:44 AM, Cong said:

I hope she can learn the lesson here and eventually comes back with a device that's truly beneficial.

If that happens, we'll have to wait at least ten years. She's entered into a settlement with the feds. In exchange for not getting thrown in jail for committing massive fraud, she relinquished majority control of Theranos, paid a $500,000 fine, and agreed not to helm a public company for a decade.

Elizabeth may need to try again next time.

[DianeHB]

8 hours ago, Connor said:

If that happens, we'll have to wait at least ten years. She's entered into a settlement with the feds. In exchange for not getting thrown in jail for committing massive fraud, she relinquished majority control of Theranos, paid a $500,000 fine, and agreed not to helm a public company for a decade.

Elizabeth may need to try again next time.

 

All of this sounds somewhat karmic, doesn't it?

[Cong]

It sounds karma-generating to me.

[Connor]

Yeah, sounds like she's compounding her Karma rather than balancing it. If her product had been genuine, the Inquisition Karma would have been balanced beautifully, but she lied and put peoples' lives at risk by telling them Theranos could test far more in a drop of blood than what was actually possible, risking missed diagnoses and misdiagnoses, which could kill a person under certain circumstances. And she would have known that, despite her "good intentions".
Even if she'd just been honest about how her product wasn't where she expected it to be, maybe she would have lost funding, and maybe she never would have been able to start it up again, but it would certainly count for something that she TRIED. Now she's ruined even that much. Very unfortunate.

Edited March 15, 2018 by Connor

[Maureen]

Diane (my sister) pointed me towards a Book Review written by Bill Gates... "I couldn’t put down this thriller with a tragic ending."  The new book is on Elizabeth Holmes and her Theranos debacle written in a Thriller format.

 

Bill Gates Review on Bad Blood: Secrets and Lies in a Silicon Valley Startup

 

Here's an excerpt from the Review:

 

Bad Blood: Secrets and Lies in a Silicon Valley Startup by John Carreyrou details the rise and fall of Theranos. If you aren’t familiar with the Theranos story, here’s the short version: the company promised to quickly give you a complete picture of your health using only a small amount of blood. Elizabeth Holmes founded it when she was just 19 years old, and both she and Theranos quickly became the darlings of Silicon Valley. She gave massively popular TED talks and appeared on the covers of Forbes and Fortune. 

 

By 2013, Theranos was valued at nearly $10 billion and even partnered with Walgreens to put their blood tests in stores around the country. The problem? Their technology never worked. It never came close to working. But Holmes was so good at selling her vision that she wasn’t stopped until after real patients were using the company’s “tests” to make decisions about their health. She and her former business partner are now facing potential jail time on fraud charges, and Theranos officially shut down in August.

 

The public didn’t know about Theranos’ deception until Carreyrou broke the story as a reporter at the Wall Street Journal. Because he was so integral to the company’s demise, Bad Blood offers a remarkable inside look.

 

[Maureen]

Here’s the latest update on Elizabeth Holmes.

 

[Christian]

We need to stop worshipping the vision of tech.

 

So much of Silicon Valley is promises without substance.

[Minna]

14 hours ago, Maureen said:

Here’s the latest update on Elizabeth Holmes.

 

She did wrong but 20 years in prison is so looong time.. In generally punishments seems to be very strickt in the USA.

Even life sentence in Finland is only 12 years..:

https://oikeus.fi/en/index/laatikot/rikosjarangaistus.html

"The maximum period of imprisonment that courts can impose is 12 years or, in the case of multiple offences, 15 years. Any sentence of imprisonment of more than two years is always unconditional and is therefore served in prison. Sentenced prisoners are usually released on parole before they have served their full sentence."

[Christian]

2 hours ago, Minna said:

She did wrong but 20 years in prison is so looong time.."> In generally punishments seems to be very strickt in the USA.

They are.

 

The US has always viewed those sent to prison as being undesirables. Even once someone is out, they face a lifetime of being ostracized, loss of voting right, jobs denied to them, etc.

 

Which leads to recidivism.

 

We can thank the 13th amendment for that. If you are a prisoner of the state, you are essentially the state's slave. 

 

This is why for profit prisons exist.

 

Only for profit prisons have contracts with the states that specify they will have 80% capacity of prisoners.

 

Thus entered 3 strikes laws. Mandatory minimum sentences.

And other draconian laws.

 

And let's not forget that the US prison system has more POC prisoners than white prisoners even though the white population is the majority.

 

Because the entire legal system of the US is racist. It is also Classist.

 

So I would expect that the judge will adjust things that they can in sentencing. There is also the appeals process that she is usually automatic.

 

Given that it is fraud she will most likely be eligible for parole.

 

But yes.

 

The US legal system is fucked up.

[Juni]

6 minutes ago, Christian said:

They are.

 

The US has always viewed those sent to prison as being undesirables. Even once someone is out, they face a lifetime of being ostracized, loss of voting right, jobs denied to them, etc.

 

Which leads to recidivism.

 

We can thank the 13th amendment for that. If you are a prisoner of the state, you are essentially the state's slave. 

 

This is why for profit prisons exist.

 

Only for profit prisons have contracts with the states that specify they will have 80% capacity of prisoners.

 

Thus entered 3 strikes laws. Mandatory minimum sentences.

And other draconian laws.

 

And let's not forget that the US prison system has more POC prisoners than white prisoners even though the white population is the majority.

 

Because the entire legal system of the US is racist. It is also Classist.

 

So I would expect that the judge will adjust things that they can in sentencing. There is also the appeals process that she is usually automatic.

 

Given that it is fraud she will most likely be eligible for parole.

 

But yes.

 

The US legal system is fucked up.

If you are rich or famous, it likely won't even make a dent in your career. 

[Christian]

9 minutes ago, Juni said:

If you are rich or famous, it likely won't even make a dent in your career. 

Nope not a dent.

 

And in some cases will enhance it.

 

Robert Downey Jr was arrested a couple of times high om cocaine.

 

He got clean and became Ironman and is more popular than ever.

 

 

Edited January 4, 2022 by Christian
Clarity

[Christian]

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/05/1070474663/theranos-whistleblower-tyler-shultz-elizabeth-holmes-verdict-champagne