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OMW - Aug 6, 2011 - Validating Your Profile

 

Channel: Troy Tolley

 

[MEntity]
Hello to everyone. We are here.

 

We will begin with discussion about the concept of Validation.

 

We have shared on this subject many times, but will do so again, as it is a subject worth revisiting on a regular basis, or as necessary for rekindling the active process of validating.

 

We have described the processes of Validation to include INTERNAL Validation, EXTERNAL Validation, and TRUE Validation.

 

INTERNAL Validation is the process of determining what is valid and true for the self, and this does not have to be valid and true for anyone else.

 

EXTERNAL Validation is the process of determining what is valid and true for others, and this is not always valid or true for the self.

 

TRUE Validation is the process of matching Internal and External Validation into a kind of wholeness.

 

The Validation process is never about absolutes, and is always about personal truths.

 

Truth that is from the Global or Universal Levels of Truth require no validation for them to be Truths, but Internal and External Validation can help one to work with those truths, reject them, work around them, etc.

 

For instance, Gravity is true for your planet and everyone on it, regardless of whether you have validated this for yourself, or not.

 

However, if you fall down, you now have an experience that may validated the truth of Gravity for you, Internally validating it. If you see someone else fall down, you may then have witnessed the validity of Gravity for others, Externally validating it.

 

This is True Validation.

 

But in terms of Validation, it only means that it is now "true for you."

 

However true and valid Gravity may be, there may be some who refuse to validate it for themselves, or they ignore the implications of what falling down may mean.

 

This kind of logic and equation, if you will, remains the same for Universal, Global, and Personal Truths.

 

NONE of them are true and valid for YOU until you Validate them.

 

Validating from only one side, Internally or Externally, does not mean a truth is half-valid, or not valid, but that it is only true IN THOSE CONTEXTS.

 

For instance, Love is a Universal Truth. You may have validated that it exists Externally, because you see it play out around you, and hear about it, and know others claim to have experienced it, but you have never truly grasped the validity of it for yourself. This means that Love is true and valid Externally, but not Internally. For YOU.

 

Conversely, you may have grasped the magnitude of what Love truly is, moving unconditionally and with agape through your social and intimate relationships, accepting yourself and others, but having a hard time seeing this same state played out among your fellow humans in the world; seeing a great lack of love around you in others' lives.

 

You know that Love is True. For YOU. But you have not Externally validated it in a way that it shows up in the world around you.

 

Keeping this difference between Internal Validation and External Validation in mind can free you from a great deal of confusion and frustration when one is lacking.

 

We often see our students using Validation as a form of defense against participation in the world, or as a means to delude themselves, or resist ideas and insights, because they have decided what is true Internally, but forget that it can also be validated Externally.

 

Some of our students decide what their Overleaves and Role are, and regardless of feedback or evidence to the contrary, or evolving understanding through study, will continue to uphold that those Overleaves are valid. And they are. To them. And some think this is as far as Validation needs to go.

 

Others may receive an inaccurate set of Overleaves from a channel and then work hard to make those Overleaves fit, because this set has been presented as valid, Externally, via the channel. Some think this is as far as Validation needs to go.

 

In other words, Validation is reduced to "If I say it is true, that is all that matters." or "If [a channel] says it is true, then it must be."

 

To some extent, both of those statements are true and valid, but only if you decide they are.

 

Determining what is true for you, or accepting as truth what is true for others, are fair ways to work through experiments and explorations of the Physical Plane, but neither of these bring wholeness, and neither of these allows you or Essence to be fully present in your world.

 

True Validation is not "easy," and it is often a dangerous obstacle to evolution, but it is also one of the only ways to truly evolve.

 

When we say that it is "not easy," we mean that it is not often the case that you can find Internal and External agreement for validation.

 

When we say that it can be a "dangerous obstacle to evolution," we mean that sometimes when both Internal and External validation matches up, those involved can resign from validating or questioning beyond that.

 

An example of the first might be a homosexual teen who knows "who he is," and yet his family insists he is wrong about, or for, his sexuality.

 

An example of the latter might be something like that which comes from cult thinking, such as "Jim Jones," "Manson," or "Heaven's Gate."

 

This is why we build into our teaching an insecurity or instability that will always remain as a means to keep our students questioning, grappling, trying to make sense, taking separate stances, etc., because it is a teaching that supports your evolution, and is not meant to provide comfort and sanctuary.

 

As soon as all of our students would agree, this teaching would no longer be a teaching.

 

We share all of this with you because the process of Validation is not as simple as deciding what the truth is, and it is not as simple as someone else deciding what the truth is, and it is not as simple as everyone agreeing.

 

It could be said, then, that Validation is "an active, conscious, constant navigation of Internal and External truths that can never be presumed conclusive."

 

Before we get into the Overleaves, we will share one more consideration regarding Validation.

 

Validation is a Monadal Process: a process of returning to a state of wholeness that is compromised of seemingly contrary or divided forces or states.

 

This Wholeness is ultimately greater than the sum of the parts.

 

Validation, then, is a constant dance between Internal and External truths.

 

When one insists on one or the other, division is the result, regardless of how true something may be Internally or Externally.

 

But there is a solution, even if only temporary, along the way to True Validation.

 

And along the way through True Validation.

 

And that is through the truth of: I DO NOT KNOW.

 

Or: THEY MAY NOT KNOW.

 

Taking the example of the homosexual teen who has struggled with accepting his sexuality, and has done so with great love, but is rejected by family for having done so, with their insisting he is wrong or bad, how can Wholeness for the teen come from this?

 

He would embrace these conflicting truths, allow them to exist, under the umbrella of "THEY MAY NOT KNOW" and "I DO NOT KNOW.

 

In this case, "They May Not Know" would refer to the fact that the family may simply not understand that that this difference in sexuality is of no threat, no consequence, no sin, and nothing more than a small part of him. This grasping of their lack of knowing can help to cultivate patience, and to help deflect the personal feelings of rejection and hurt that come from their lack of knowing.

 

"I DO NOT KNOW" might refer to the fact that he does not have the skills right now to manage the rejection, the necessity to educate them, the impact of their words, etc.

 

NOT KNOWING is always a viable bridge between conflicting truths.

 

It "buys you time," allows for patience, compassion, effort, awareness, insight, perception, etc to come into the process.

 

To be even more inviting of those helpful qualities, it might be helpful to add: "It is okay for now... that I do not know." or "It is okay for now, that they do not know."

 

All of what we have shared above can help in the process of validating your Profile, Overleaves, Essence, and all channeling that might come through our channels, as well as your explorations of self, relationships, choices, and life.

 

It can also help you in moments of conflicting truths where the battle to impose an External Truth over yourself, or to impose an Internal Truth over others, is simply useless and pointless.

 

True Validation never comes through imposition, but through education and invitation.

 

If you find that you are uncomfortable with a truth, or trying to force a truth, it does not necessarily mean that this truth is not valid, but that you "do not know." And that is as profound to embrace as knowing.

 

Now we will move this into application for validating your Overleaves.

 

Before we take on specific questions, we will say that the above can be applied in this way:

 

Your Overleaves can be Internally Validated by you through your understanding of the terminology and how those accurately describe and lend insight into how you understand yourself. Your Overleaves can be Externally Validated by others through your seeing the behavior and feedback of others in relation to you, as you gain this self-understanding.

 

External Validation of your Overleaves does not necessarily mean that someone else decides, "yes, that term fits." To rely only on confirmation of terminology would never give you True Validation.

 

But if you find that your Internal Validation of the terms as they help you understand yourself is also affecting how others respond and react to you, as well as how you respond and react to them, then you may have found True Validation.

 

In any case of terminology where you may not KNOW, the next steps are education and invitation. Which is why we are here with you today.

 

We will leave it to Geraldine to choose the order of the questioning, but we will now open the floor to your questions about specific elements of your Profile. We will offer what we can for help in your, at least, Internally Validating the term, and then your External Validation may come in time.

 

FLOOR IS OPEN

 

[Martha] my question is about true vs public/private - is that on the table?

 

[MEntity] Yes, Martha. Formulate your question about this and we will respond.

 

[Martha] some of the overleaves for me are so different between true - public - private that it seems it speaks to me not having my subs integrated or something along those lines especially the centering was completely different for each one so some help with understanding that is what I'm looking for

 

[MEntity]
The Public and Private sets of Overleaves are shortcuts to understanding how, in general, one wishes to be seen, and how one is seen. They do not speak to sub-personalities, but do speak to the facets/personas that one may have developed.

 

In your case, your sets describe the distance between how you see yourself vs how others see you, or how you wish to present yourself vs how you tend to be received.

 

[Martha] So I act like a server and look like a warrior? LOL

 

[MEntity] Though personas/facets may be related to sub-personalities, they are not necessarily connected.

 

[Martha] or act like a warrior and look like a server?

 

[Martha] but all sage cast :)

 

[Martha] it's confusing

 

[MEntity]
In your case, the profiles speak more to the fact that you find yourself falling into positions of subservience and nurturing on a rather regular basis, but because of the resentments that may come from that, you can show up as harsh, frustrated, coercive, pushy.

 

To respond to the Sage Casting for both, it would simply mean that you will still be expressive in either case, and often in loud ways.

 

[Diane_H] I would like more clarity on Server casting. How I use it, etc. You previously mentioned I mainly serve myself, which I agree with. But most of my days I act more Scholarly.

 

[MEntity]
Though the Role is how one "shines" in the world, it requires the presence, or Manifestation, of Essence for that to happen on any regular basis, and this is something a Personality may or may not strive to do in a lifetime. However, Casting will always show up, as it is how the Personality defaults to functioning on a day-to-day basis.

 

To help with Validation of any Role or Casting Position, it can help to look at other qualities that describe that Axis.

 

In the case of the Server, you would want to look at the fact that this is an Ordinal Casting, first.

 

It is Ordinal/Inspirational, next.

 

This means that on a day-to-day basis, you may find that you naturally gravitate toward one-on-one scenarios, rather than group scenarios, and because you are Inspirationally-Cast, it would mean these one-on-one scenarios may require some sort of Meaning for them to be at all.

 

[Diane_H] That's true, I hadn't thought about the Inspirational aspect.

 

[MEntity]
If something of Meaning can be brought to the exchange, then it may be more comfortable or pursued, but meaningless or random social or intimate contact is usually not of interest to the day-to-day functioning.

 

The Priest seeks to bring Meaning to the masses, or a path to the creation of Meaning, whereas the Server seeks to bringing Meaning to the individual, or at least a path to the creation of that Meaning.

 

[Diane_H] That really fits.

 

[MEntity]
If Server Casting is valid for you, it may show up as your being an important contact person for an important handful of fragments over time as you connect them to Meaning.

 

Looking further, it might show up as a Re-evaluation in your pursuit of your Goal, Reserved in your Relationships, Stoic in your Perceptions, and even Self-deprecating, in general, in your day-to-day functioning.

 

Re-evaluation of your Goal would show up as your constantly ebbing and flowing, halting and launching, always questioning the progress of your pursuit of your actual Goal in terms of the Overleaf, but also in terms of general goals, such as career.

 

[Diane_H] Wow, that's a bull's-eye

 

[MEntity]
Reservation in your Relationships would mean always monitoring yourself, sometimes with Restraint, and sometimes with Inhibition, as you build yourself up in contexts of intimacy and resonance.

 

The Stoicism in Perceptions might show up as your always keeping cool, or appearing cool, unfazed, no matter what you see, or how something is perceived, sometimes through Tranquility, and sometimes through Resignation.

 

Though you will have your spectrum of Overleaves that describe you in much more detail, your Casting Position is like a packaged form of that entire Axis, and it will permeate the other Overleaves in some way.

 

[Diane_H] But I also have all neutral overleaves, how would I begin to tell the difference between sliding and effects of casting?

 

[Diane_H] Or perhaps I slide to the Server overleaves more easily?

 

[MEntity]
Neutral Overleaves ALWAYS appear like other Overleaves, hence their being Neutral.

 

Neutral Overleaves will always "slide" as a means for functioning, and they may often go to the Axis of the Role or Casting.

 

In your case, for you to truly Flow, you will slide to Growth or Dominance. Both of these are on the Axes related to your Casting and Role.

 

The GOAL will remain the same, which is to Flow, but your means of Flow is to sometimes turn your challenges into opportunities for Growth/Evolution, and sometimes into opportunities to return yourself to a position of Dominance/Leadership.

 

Validating Neutral Overleaves will always go back to looking at the Positive and Negative Poles as descriptions of where you land.

 

For example, you tend to "take charge" and move into Dominance because you have fallen into Inertia, or feeling like life is not going anywhere, or is moving in a direction you would rather alter, and though you will use Dominance to alter that Inertia, it is still for the sake of Freedom, or returning yourself to a state of peace, not a state of control.

 

[Diane_H] Very true

 

[ClaireC] My "True Work/Life Task" seems rather abstract, no doubt because it probably relates to the "Big Picture". I'm able to validate that I do find commonalities amongst apparently disparate people and groups of people, however, could you give me other examples of how the pursuit of my "Task" has manifested in my life?

 

[MEntity]
Yes, Life Tasks are deliberately broad in scope, because we do not wish to define for you how you fulfill your Tasks, but our descriptions should still be able to be found in evidence, if valid, and if the Task is actually pursued.

 

In some cases the evidence is obvious and grand, and in some cases, it is "right under your nose," and completely missed.

 

In your case, the pursuit of this Life Task is still being explored, and there are only hints of its fulfillment at the moment. Most paths of fulfillment of a Life Task are rather subtle in the beginning, and are often not even clear until retrospect is possible.

 

Your pursuit seems to show up most often in two ways: through being "in the middle" between those who are divided in some way, and by pulling together concepts from various systems that can then be translated into something useful for yourself or someone else.

 

You seem to do this so naturally that you might even take it for granted.

 

[ClaireC] Yes, this really resonates with me.

 

[MEntity]
Some may dive into a system and that becomes a core around which other systems must adapt, which is just as valid a means of exploration as any, but in your case, your Life Task is to bring systems together like gears in a clock.

 

And by "systems," we also include people.

 

For now, with minimal evidence of your Life Task, we can offer this up as a means to help with your Validation: Beneath your relationships and philosophies, you may find a dominant undercurrent question that may be something like, "Now, how and where does THIS fit..."

 

[ClaireC] That's exactly how I function....like a giant jigsaw puzzle

 

[MEntity] Others may relate to that kind of questioning, as well, but in your case, it shapes a great deal of your choices and pursuits, all funneling into the Life Task to find or create commonalities/common ground within various systems.

 

[carolyn] Hello it's vey good to meet you here. I would like to ask if stepping into a designated "space of information" regarding the nine realities, could be used as a valid way of creating greater understanding around the True Validation of Overleaves. Particularly if this involved working in tandem with an entity mate or someone from your Circle of Support 

 

[MEntity]
If we are understanding you correctly, we would say that is a valid means for bringing True Validation. This would be a process of recognizing that you may not share the same understanding, insight, experiences, "reality," but that your intention to invite and educate so that you can build some shared understanding, insight, experiences, and even "reality," then.

 

It can also be the same if you already share these things, so that feedback is felt to be trusted and honest when exploring who you are to yourself and someone else.

 

[carolyn] Share the same Overleaves?

 

[carolyn] Well an aspect of your overleaves to be more precise.

 

[MEntity] If you already share a reality with someone, share truths, share perceptions, it can be helpful for the validation process, but only if the intention is for validation, and not justification.

 

[carolyn] By "inviting" say the Enlightenment position from your Circle of Support to assist, could this help further validate as opposed to justify?

 

[MEntity]
Those who share the same overleaves may show up as completely different Personalities because of how those Overleaves are used, so this would need to be considered, but there would be core traits that can be used by both.

 

An Enlightenment Position from your Support Circle, such as we are for you and our students, is quite helpful for validation of such esoteric, philosophical, and intangible elements of the self and life.

 

The Enlightenment Position helps one to develop the structures through which experiences are organized, understood, and processed, and having that in place can help a great deal when seeking True Validation of anything.

 

Have we understood your questions accurately?

 

[carolyn] Yes, thank you.

 

[Geraldine] I've never completely validated to my satisfaction that I'm Sage-casted Sage; however, I think that is in large part due to poor definitions for Old Soul Sages in positive poles. I've validated my saginess more from how I acted when younger more than as I've been during the past 20 years or so. Although, I'm accepting that Old Sages may be far more wise and involved with truth than we give them credit for being. But, I liked how you worked with Diane's casting based on her Axis. Would you do similarly for me, even though I have matching casting/role?

 

[MEntity]
First, we will say that in the case of Sage for Casting or Role, the "packaging" would include Acceptance, Power, and Idealism, even Greed. In your case, these would show up not only when you "shine," but as a means for functioning on a day-to-day basis.

 

Regardless of Soul Age, Sages will ALWAYS be affected by issues of Acceptance, and regardless of the Goal, will always move in directions that support or encourage Acceptance. This progresses in cycles of pushing for Acceptance of the self and of pushing for Acceptance of others.

 

Beneath every motivation of a Sage is somehow connected to the pursuit of being Accepted.

 

[Geraldine] Yes, I'm prone to a sweeping feeling of being rejected on a heartbeat.

 

[MEntity] In other words, Dissemination or Oration will always be related to a Sage's navigation of Acceptance. For example, most Sages who Orate do so as a means to compensate for a sense of not being Accepted.

 

[carolyn] I was cast with Sage as a discarnate Essence Twin, Priest role and Artisan cast. They all seem to fit on some level.

 

[MEntity] Common to the motivation of all Sages would be statements that might go something like "I am telling you this so you can accept me;" or "I am telling you this so you can accept that;" or "I am telling you this so you can accept you;" or "I am telling you this so I can express my acceptance."

 

[Martha] Oh yeah, that fits

 

[Martha] A Sage must have come up with the "Like" button

 

[MEntity]
Going further, all Sages take a stance of Authority or Oppression in terms of relating information to you.

 

Sages RELATE to the world, or to others, in terms of Expression in the face of Oppression, or sharing information as an Authority on that particular information. Power Mode is about being Present, and this is how Sages make their presence known.

 

This is why Sages can come across as "obnoxious" and as "know it alls," because this is their nature: to be themselves, even when you wish they would not, and to speak or communicate with confidence, even as they know there may be more to learn.

 

Sages have PRESENCE, or in our system, POWER.

 

Sages cannot relate to others without feeling PRESENT.

 

Otherwise, they are invisible, and invisible equals non-existent.

 

No other Role (or Casting) requires their Presence to be known as a means for experiencing existence.

 

Sages must show up somehow, to someone, or they die, either or both metaphorically and literally.

 

Going further, all Sages, regardless of Soul Age, see the world in terms of how it can be improved. Regardless of the Attitude of the Personality, there will always be a theme of communicating for the sake of improving what has been deemed in need of improvement, whether this is a slow conversation, an awkward moment, a relationship, or a paradigm.

 

Sages may do this through telling you all of the steps necessary for that improvement (coalescence) or by simply telling you it needs to improve (naivety).

 

To Geraldine: are you finding resonance with these descriptions?

 

[Martha] (I know I am)

 

[MEntity]
We will continue.

 

In terms of the validating your Overleaves, will offer up statements and questions that can help in determining the validity of your set of Overleaves:

 

[Geraldine] (and yes, I was)

 

[MEntity]
For your GOAL, a helpful way to understand how it shows up in your life is to ask: Is this a state to which I constantly strive to return my life, or the lives of others?

 

For instance, those with a Goal of Acceptance will always find a theme of effort to be accepted, accept themselves, accept others, and encourage others to accept each other.

 

Always.

 

No matter what is going on in the life, the pursuit of this quality represented by the Goal is always a motivating factor in every choice.

 

The Positive Pole is usually the most obvious way to find the validation in terms of your aim, and the Negative Pole is usually the most obvious in terms of when you feel the most ineffective or defeated.

 

In other words, someone in Discrimination may see it most obviously in terms of moving his life into a state of refinement, or Sophistication, but can also validate Discrimination by seeing that he turns to Rejection as a way of dealing with defeat or ineffectiveness.

 

Acceptance can see that he aims for bringing more affection or Agape into his life and the lives of others, but responds with Ingratiation when feeling defeated or ineffective in doing so.

 

For your MODE, it can most often be validated by what you seek to encourage out of others, and what you often see is missing in others.

 

For instance, Passion Mode would tend to encourage Passion out of others, and may gravitate toward others who lack Passion.

 

Observation Mode might encourage others to pay more attention, and often gravitate toward those who have a hard time seeing clearly.

 

For the ATTITUDE, it may be most easily validated by seeing what it is you most often find yourself trying to convince in others.

 

The Spiritualist will try to convince others to the possibilities, and the Cynic might try to convince others to see the other side of the obvious, while the Idealist would try to convince others that the self, relationship, life can always be improved upon.

 

We do not have time in this format to go through each overleaf, but these efforts to convince can show up in both positive and negative ways, relative to the poles.

 

For instance, the Spiritualist would seek to convince others of possibilities, and can do so through helping others verify those possibilities, or by encouraging blind faith, or belief.

 

In another format, in another time, we can describe all of the overleaves in terms that are far more capable of use for validation.

 

We will conclude here for today. Our channel is fading in focus. Good day to each of you.

 

Goodbye.

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IIrc, the "Packaged Axis" was also asked for Artisan-casting, Warrior-casting and Scholar-casting outside of this session.

I think the ones who asked this were @Ingun, @Maureen and @Martha.
Am I right that you guys got these? Could you post them here for completion's sake if so?

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1 hour ago, KurtisM said:

IIrc, the "Packaged Axis" was also asked for Artisan-casting, Warrior-casting and Scholar-casting outside of this session.

I think the ones who asked this were @Ingun, @Maureen and @Martha.
Am I right that you guys got these? Could you post them here for completion's sake if so?

 

I do have something on it and I will look for it. In the meantime, you may not recall that you also asked about Warrior Casting in an ASK Michael on April 6, 2014. Here it is:

 

Kurtis:  Hi Michael, I just love this description of the Server Casting that I found you wrote:

 

Kurtis:  Server Casting might show up as a default, keen awareness of the needs, feelings, and behavior of those around you, sometimes to the extent of distraction. It might show up as a sensitivity and kindness that wishes only the best for others, while being rather frustrated, or even infuriated, with those who are inconsiderate and disrespectful of boundaries. It might show up as being in a position among friends and family that is more often than not turned to for insight, help, nurturing, availability, and understanding.

 

Kurtis:  This was your answer to one of Al’s questions a while back, and many have said these hold true who are Server Castings, so I was wondering if you could write the same format above, but for the Warrior Cast.

 

MEntity:  Of course.

 

Kurtis:  :)

 

MEntity:  Warrior Casting might often show up as a default keen awareness of sincerity and authenticity in various experiences or people in the life. This Casting would tend to gravitate toward those who generate meaningful challenges to the Personality so that there is no sense of complacency or apathy. This attraction to those who might bring this honesty, authenticity, and challenge can mean that many fall short of the expectations of this fragment, and there may easily come a system of navigation that comes to be based on presumptions and prejudices. This, then, becomes a wall through which those who seek intimacy will have to "prove" themselves to the Warrior-Cast, even if that Warrior-Cast does not realize this is in place.

 

MEntity:  This can bring about a rather dismissive stance from the Warrior-Cast that would, eventually, have to be addressed by that Warrior-Cast if the desire for authenticity and honesty outweighs the actual experience of it.

 

MEntity:  The above is just one of many ways we can respond to such a question seeking elaboration, but this will suffice for now.

 

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Here's another one from Michael... 

 

Warrior Casting for Sally Forsberg

 

Your Essence’s Casting as a Warrior has helped each lifetime to be treated as if it is “worth it,” even when it was quite daunting. The Warrior-casting contributes to the endurance, but also to the overall focus of commitment and loyalty to following through with a creative idea, even if it takes lifetimes to do so. You are quite loyal to life, even when it might not feel as loyal in return. The Casting shows up quite often as also being a strength for others to turn to, depend upon, and even to take for granted. In general, you are quite strong, brave, and courageous in most of your lifetimes.

 

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@KurtisM,  here you go...

 

From a POF on September 7, 2011:

 

Maureen:  I would like an explication on how my casting (Warrior) affects the other Overleaves – like you gave Martha in the last POF Session.

 

MEntity:  Those who are Warrior-Cast may find themselves functioning from the Axis of the Warrior, which is Ordinal Action, in their routines, and daily means of functioning. This can show up, regardless of the technical Overleaves, not because it overrides them, but because Casting is often a more obvious presence, or energy.

 

MEntity:  At the most immediate level, there may be a constant activity running through the person with Warrior Casting. Constant. An ever-present flow of energy that compels one TO DO, even when there is "nothing to do."

 

MEntity:  This can be a problem, if the fragment does not have a regular physical activity that is entirely for the point of "burning energy," or for sexual exhaustion.

 

MEntity:  This constant access to energy can show up in the daily interaction with the world in terms of the Poles of Warrior, so that one presents himself or herself as Persuasive or Coercive.

 

MEntity:  When it is an energy of Persuasion, the interactions and experiences of the day may show up as challenges that simply need to be addressed, presented in ways that are encouraging to others for participation and solution, and generally feeling a sense that one has made a difference through his or her efforts.

 

MEntity:  When it is an energy of Coercion, the interactions and experiences of the day tend toward frustrations, reactions, a conclusion that others are stupid or just not catching on, and maybe even a sense that you must resort to manipulation and strategy, rather than Persuasion.

 

MEntity:  This range comes from the resonance to Submission as the Goal, because Submission is a complete submersion into a direction that has been decided is worth going. This shows up as Devotion on the Positive end, and Subservience on the Negative.

 

MEntity:  When one has Warrior Casting (or is a Warrior), there is almost always a strong drive to translate Effort into Meaning. Devotion is when one discovers or creates the direction that is felt to be of value, while Subservience is when one has either resigned from discovering or creating it, or someone else has decided it for the person.

 

MEntity:  Because the Warrior "must do," it does. And it will take a Subservient position that at least means something important to someone else, even if not to them.

 

MEntity:  In relationships, the Perseverance will show up as a near-undying loyalty to whomever has been deemed worthy of the actions of the Warrior.

 

MEntity:  Not all will make that cut, however.

 

MEntity:  And that cut is rather clearly defined

 

MEntity:  It is not easy to return across any lines that put someone on the outside of the Warrior's circle of loyalty.

 

MEntity:  In terms of philosophy and perspective, Cynic may show up as always being able to present or see the other side of most situations. Warriors and Warrior-Casting "love" to play the "Devil's Advocate," for instance.

 

MEntity:  All of the qualities we described above would be delivered via the actual Overleaves, and not directly.

 

MEntity:  For instance, the Cynic would not show up for you as simply contradicting a person's perspective as a means to challenge them, but presenting it from the Realist angle, pointing out the facts, pointing out the obvious, or what Is.

 

Maureen:  Excellent – Thank you!

 

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49 minutes ago, KurtisM said:

Excellent @Maureen thanks so much!

Am I good to add these to the Library?

It's been ages since I read the one from Sally. We "lost" quite a bit in the site transfer.

 

Yes, I'd say we're good to go!  :student:

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I found this on my computer, but there was no date added:

 

[GeraldineB] During the Validating Overleaves OMW session, we received information for several of the Casting Axes and how Casting influences the various overleaves -- We've received Server, Sage, Scholar, and Warrior (two of those as follow ups).

[GeraldineB] I'd like to get similar information for Artisan Casting at this time.

 

[MEntity] For the Artisan Casting, regardless of Overleaves, there can be a tendency to approach the Goal through processes that require one's capacity to say NO, to Discriminate. The Artisan is often challenged by this process of saying and meaning YES, and actually saying NO when necessary.

 

[MEntity] The Mode, or relationships, are often affected by Caution, in that these are formed quite Deliberately and carefully, or they can sometimes suffer from paralysis as Phobia comes into play.

 

[MEntity] The Attitude, or one's philosophy when Artisan-cast, can be distancing and divisive as there is always a Skeptical eye affecting that fragment, regardless of Attitude, and can show up as either questioning just enough to learn, or so much so that no answers are ever accepted, leading only into Suspicion.

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From here Ask M - April 6 2014

 

[Janet] Will you please provide information on Artisan Casting similar to what you just gave Kurtis for Warrior Casting?

 

[MEntity] Artisan Casting might often show up as a default keen awareness of integrity and self-awareness among those with whom this fragment shares experiences and relationships. This Casting would tend to gravitate toward those who are consistent in "who they are" and are quite clear in their motives. From what we have seen, it can often drive an Artisan-Cast fragment to infuriated tears when others are not cohesive in their sense of motivations or ideals. This means this Casting will tend to gravitate toward those who are quite comfortably-defined, but flexible, in where, how, and who one is as individual, but when this comes to be few and far between, the Artisan-Cast can start to simply make up backstories for all of the participants in the life as a means to bring that sense of consistency.

 

[MEntity] What happens, then, can be a falling into paranoia, gossip, and over-analysis, particularly when that Artisan-Cast cannot seem to get his or her bearings on the motives or ideals of a person or project.

 

[MEntity] Depending on the path of the Artisan-Cast, he or she may then gravitate toward challenging people and experiences that provoke discord, and then this Casting will figure out how to bring harmony.

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On 5/30/2016 at 5:51 AM, Kasia said:

For instance, Passion Mode would tend to encourage Passion out of others, and may gravitate toward others who lack Passion.

 

Story of my life. 

At least in terms of romantic relationships. 🙄😆

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Thank you for bringing this back up to the top, @Bogi! When I read about trying to fit oneself into the overleaves provided, I remember that with my first Michael profile oh so very long ago (Poppy Bush was President then!). I was told I was a Priest, so...I really really tried seeing myself in that role. (Probably doesn't hurt that Artisans are chameleons...)

 

Then when I got my profile from @Troy and found that I was a Sage-cast Artisan, the best way I can explain the feeling is, it was like coming home and taking off a tight pair of shoes. "Sage Cast Artisan" was ME, it resonated, I didn't feel like I was forcing myself into an alien shape because I was "supposed" to be a certain way. (Like, OK, if I'm a Spiritualist Priest, why am I such a goddamn skeptic? Well since that is the Artisan Attitude, it made so much sense to me that I'm this "skeptical spiritualist.")

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5 minutes ago, Crystal said:

Thank you for bringing this back up to the top, @Bogi! When I read about trying to fit oneself into the overleaves provided, I remember that with my first Michael profile oh so very long ago (Poppy Bush was President then!). I was told I was a Priest, so...I really really tried seeing myself in that role. (Probably doesn't hurt that Artisans are chameleons...)

 

Then when I got my profile from @Troy and found that I was a Sage-cast Artisan, the best way I can explain the feeling is, it was like coming home and taking off a tight pair of shoes. "Sage Cast Artisan" was ME, it resonated, I didn't feel like I was forcing myself into an alien shape because I was "supposed" to be a certain way. (Like, OK, if I'm a Spiritualist Priest, why am I such a goddamn skeptic? Well since that is the Artisan Attitude, it made so much sense to me that I'm this "skeptical spiritualist.")

 

One of the few things that I, the first channeler and Troy agreed that I am a Scholar.

I read a description about the Roles on a site before I found TLE, and I was almost 100 % sure of being a Scholar. It just fit like a glove.

 

I am always interested when I see a Sage-Cast Artisan, since I teamed up with an ET Sage-Cast Artisan.

We were supposed to meet this year. Thanks Covid!

 

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@Bogi You are in for "a wondrous ride" with a Sage-cast Artisan, they are amazingly expressive in any way. I know, I live with one for 2 decades.

Even as we share a Heart Link and are Entity Mates, the whole experience is quite extraordinaire using the whole spectrum available.

This year is not over yet, wish you get your ride!

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On 5/30/2016 at 12:51 AM, Kasia said:

[Martha] some of the overleaves for me are so different between true - public - private that it seems it speaks to me not having my subs integrated or something along those lines especially the centering was completely different for each one so some help with understanding that is what I'm looking for

 

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The Public and Private sets of Overleaves are shortcuts to understanding how, in general, one wishes to be seen, and how one is seen. They do not speak to sub-personalities, but do speak to the facets/personas that one may have developed.

 

In your case, your sets describe the distance between how you see yourself vs how others see you, or how you wish to present yourself vs how you tend to be received.

 

[Martha] So I act like a server and look like a warrior? LOL

 

[MEntity] Though personas/facets may be related to sub-personalities, they are not necessarily connected.

 

[Martha] or act like a warrior and look like a server?

 

[Martha] but all sage cast 🙂

 

[Martha] it's confusing

 

[MEntity]
In your case, the profiles speak more to the fact that you find yourself falling into positions of subservience and nurturing on a rather regular basis, but because of the resentments that may come from that, you can show up as harsh, frustrated, coercive, pushy.

 

To respond to the Sage Casting for both, it would simply mean that you will still be expressive in either case, and often in loud ways.

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I found this part interesting because I recently asked about my public Overleaves and they are very different from the real Overleaves. So different that they seem to describe people who are completely differe

nt.

  I still intend to ask about my proven Overleaves to see if they are also so different .. but I think that the difference between my public and real profile can explain why I had so much difficulty seeing myself on my profile ..

 

  I found it interesting too. She being a warioor with server as public Overleaves because this is also my case ... and michael saying that this has to do with subservience ... I think maybe that is my case ... I really think that in the case of mine relationship with my family .. there was, for most of my life, subservience .


 

 

 

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