Ask Michael - August 7, 2016

[Bobby 20,149]

Ask Michael - Aug 7, 2016

 

MEntity: Hello to each of you. We are here, now. We can begin. ***QUEUE IS NOW OPEN*** 

 

Nan: This question follows from the Michael Gathering held in April at Sevenoaks in Virginia.  During the gathering, Caris Turpin channeled that “We (Michael) need the gatherings”.  Later there were comments that there are likely many Michael students out there who do not even know that the gatherings happen.  So the questions:  Would Michael elaborate on how they need the gatherings?  And—what advice can we have about finding or reaching Michael students who do not have information about the gatherings?  What do people need to know to decide to come to gatherings? 

 

MEntity: We cannot be a teacher without our students. To that extent, we "need" you. We learn from our students, as well. To that extent we "need" you. Any gathering of physical proximity among our students is an opportunity for us to not only assess where we are in terms of our dynamic as teachers and students, but in terms of where to go in the evolution of our teaching. 

 

MEntity: The gatherings act as a kind of uploading/Review process for our students. 

 

MEntity: Many students allow themselves a period of time during these gatherings to shed most of their imprinting and subpersonalities of defense in ways that are different from when we work with them outside of the context of a "safe space." 

 

MEntity: So in that regard, we "need" these gatherings as a more accurate and immediate assessment of a handful of active students and this helps us to know where and how to go next in our teaching, or what needs to be reviewed. 

 

MEntity: However, we "need" you only in terms of this being a helpful form of assessment. They are not required. 

 

MEntity: If no gatherings were to occur and our students remained as scattered among the masses, our work with you and our teaching would not be hurt. 

 

MEntity: Think of it is these simple terms: 

 

MEntity: All teachings must address the Inspirational, Intellectual, Moving, and Assimilative elements for that teaching to truly be alive and well and useful. Your daily lives provide a great deal of demands on the Emotional, Intellectual, and Action, but these gatherings bring permission of emphasis on Assimilation. 

 

MEntity: As for bring more students to the gatherings, this is not necessary. Our students find us. They are not lost. 

 

MEntity: Students need not come to an organized gathering to count as attending a gathering. Studying with a friend can be a "gathering." 

 

MEntity: One of the reasons our teaching has a fairly low profile is because it is not concerned with recruitment or saving anyone. There is no urgency. We know that some of our channels and students may wish to imbue some urgency, importance, and eagerness but that is counter to our teaching. 

 

MEntity: We chose to put "need" in quotes because we prefer for the term to be understood in its practical terms, not loaded with urgency and sentimentality. 

 

MEntity: Our students cycle through in waves of contact with us over lifetimes. Not everyone needs or wants to see us during their lifetime. 

 

MEntity: When they do, they find us. This teaching is an invitation. 

 

MEntity: As long as it is available, and there are those who can keep the invitation visible, that is all that is necessary. How that visibility is implemented is up to you. 

 

Nan: We are grateful for such a full answer. 

 

NEXT

 

Connor: Hello again, Michael. 

 

Two things: 

 

First; you are amazin.g 

 

Second; During our between-lives Astral interval, provided we complete our Reviews, we do the work of planning our next lifetimes. After everything is ready to our satisfaction, we then prepare for rebirth. What happens to us when rebirth occurs?

 

Are we going to wind up in an infant body with amnesia? Or do we continue to live on the Astral, ‘separately’ from the new Personality we just helped design? 

 

I know Personalities continue to exist on their own terms, but I also know that what I consider as ‘me’ is far more than just a Personality. I am also an Essence, and Essences go back to Earth. Perhaps my confusion stems partially from the profound blurring between Essence and Personality that occurs by the Old Soul Age – I have little notion of where one ends and the other begins. (end of question) 

 

MEntity: Your final sentence is the voice of Essence. 

 

MEntity: We will share this analogy to help in understanding this more fully: 

 

MEntity: When "you" plan your day, your week, your general future, this could be said to be similar to Essence. You use what resources are accessible to you, and you anticipate what resources will be accessible to you, and you do this based on what you know and what you have learned from previous days, weeks, and your general past. 

 

MEntity: However, once you are IN that day, that week, that general future, "you" are still "you," but you are now bumping up against many elements of life that were not a part of the plan. Regardless of what you saw from your position before you entered your day, your week, your general future, you are now LIVING it, which means you are different now because you are no longer dealing only with a higher vision, but immediate vision.

 

MEntity: We use this analogy because this is similar to how Essence works in terms of Personality. Personality is still Essence, but just focused on the day, so to speak. 

 

MEntity: In the same way that you may describe how you experience yourself in very different days, your Essence experiences itself as different lifetimes. 

 

MEntity: The point being that the line between "you" on one day vs another day is not often drawn by "you." You still know yourself as you, even as you remember your bad day, your good day, your painful day, etc.

 

Connor: I find that both beautiful and horrifying. 

 

MEntity: Your good day, your bad day, your painful day, your blissful day will continue to live with you AS you. 

 

MEntity: Now, to continue the analogy: 

 

MEntity: When you retire from your day, it makes a great difference in your next day how you end your day as "you." 

 

MEntity: And so it is with Essence. It can only evolve from Essence Contact and Recognition. This is the only true form of evolution for Essence. 

 

MEntity: Essence Recognition and Contact would be similar to your remembering your vision, remembering your value, remembering your worth, remembering you. 

 

MEntity: Remembering each other. 

 

MEntity: When you remember, you create a circuitry among your days, your weeks, your months, your relationships, your years so that the "you" that started it all is the you that is living it all. 

 

MEntity: When Personality remembers Essence, or Recognizes the validity of Essence in self or another, even if only for a brief moment, you create the circuitry that is necessary for blurring the lines between the you who started it all, and the you who is living it all. 

 

MEntity: This dance is happening on such vast scales between you, your past lives, your Essence, that we cannot possibly convey to you the beauty of it. 

 

MEntity: We only addressed the concept of blurring or defining the lines between "you" and Essence, but to respond more directly to your other questions: Reviews need not be completed before planning the "next" life. The concept of "next" is a bit flexible from the Astral. 

 

MEntity: Many Personalities take many lifetimes for their Review to be completed. 

 

MEntity: The Soul Age Levels are indicative of this because the 6th Level tends to be when the Personalities do the work of helping address all lingering processes of Review among the Personalities from that Soul Age. 

 

MEntity: In other words, lifetimes during the 6th Level are all about living lives that help other lives bring closure. 

 

MEntity: When you are born, you do not experience amnesia, but the comparison is fair. 

 

MEntity: It is not that you experience amnesia so much as it is you have a new brain that has never remembered anything before. 

 

MEntity: Essence and Astrology help direct the first 7 years toward experiences that will unpack over time in a way that facilitates an eventual meeting point between local experiences/memory and higher experiences/memory. 

 

MEntity: What there is to unpack depends greatly on Soul Age and Level, and then the life experiences either activate that unpacking, ignore it, distort it, or expand upon it. 

 

MEntity: The older the soul the easier it is to reach that meeting point between collecting new experiences and the context of your ancientness. 

 

MEntity: Personalities do continue to live on the Astral as themselves on their own terms and continue to live in such a manner for as long as they wish. 

 

MEntity: There does come a time when the blurring between Connor and Essence will be so "blurry" that there is no interest in sustaining that differentiation. 

 

MEntity: You are no more lost in that blurring than any of your days are lost in you. 

 

MEntity: We know we cannot convey these concepts in one exchange, and we encourage continued angles on these questions for greater access to the truth that cannot always fit into words. 

 

Connor: Thank you Michael, until next time. 

 

NEXT

 

Mizzle: Hi Michael!  You have said before through Troy, that the vaccinations / autism link is real, and also that  "In the use of any vaccine, there is always a risk, but the risks that are posed are limited to a small percentage of the population. In most cases, a vaccine either works, or has no effect at all. In isolated cases, the effect is not as desirable.". Could you please elaborate further on dangers/benefits of vaccinations? Is the autism only linked to the MMR vaccination and African-American boys, as some research suggests, or does it increase risk for other groups as well? Would you be able to comment on dangers/benefits/anything else related to the following common childhood vaccinations:   Diphtheria/Tet 

 

Diphtheria/Tetanus/Pertussis/Polio/Hepatitis B/Haemophilus influenzae type B (INFANRIX® -hexa), Rotavirus (RotaTeq®), Pneumococcal (PREVENAR 13®), Measles/Mumps/Rubella (M-M-R® ll) (Boost injections: Haemophilus influenzae type b (Act-HIB) Diphtheria/Tetanus/Pertussis/Polio (INFANRIX™-IPV)) 

 

I understand you may not be able to make certain types of health / decision recommendations etc. A comment on what one should concentrate on when making a decision on getting vaccinations for their children (or themselves) and how to avoid harmful effects would be appreciated. Thanks! 

 

Sorry the formating disappeared... 

 

MEntity: In smaller populations on a planet, the necessity of vaccination is unnecessary and may not be worth the risks, but when there is not only overpopulation but great, rapid, and constant exchanges of contact among the various parts of the population, then vaccinations are more vital than a risk. 

 

MEntity: The dangers are fairly minimal, but that is not helpful for the fraction who are affected by those dangers. The risks are infection, immune collapse, neurological interruptions, developmental disorders. We do not see these risks as particular to any group, though there may be patterns observed among different groups at different times because of common factors. 

 

MEntity: The vaccinations listed are less the problem as it is the variations of biology among Humans. However well any medicine works for most, there will always be some who receive no benefit and some who experience only harm from it. 

 

MEntity: Until vaccines can move away from the use of formaldehydes, aluminum, and animal products, they will always pose risk factors. 

 

MEntity: When making your decision, you would want to focus mostly on reality of the risks as they stand at this point: 

 

MEntity: If you wish for a child to reduce the risk of ill health due to contagions, then vaccinations are a priority, despite the potential adverse effects. This could be compared to how you must choose between various methods of delivering your child to school vs keeping him or her at home where it is "safe." 

 

MEntity: Risk is a part of the gamble of living, and in terms of greater or lesser risks, this is one of the lesser risks. 

 

NEXT

 

Ckaricai: Hi Michael, my question is about dreams. How can we tell if we are making essence contact with other people or if the people we dream about are only symbols?

 

MEntity: If there is speaking or affection. 

 

MEntity: There are other scenarios where contact may be valid, but those will vary. Speaking and affection, however, are nearly 100% specific contact. 

 

MEntity: Keep in mind that even when contact is valid, it can still be riddled with symbolism. 

 

MEntity: No understanding of a dream should ever start in literal terms. 

 

NEXT 

 

We can take a final question 

 

Ckaricai: I have so many more questions now. But I'll save them for another time. This is great info. Thanks. 

 

Bobby: What would have normally happened approximately 1000 years from now to get the Earth to that point that you mentioned in the State of the Planet session back in January with climate that we are experiencing already now prematurely? 

 

MEntity: We request a rephrasing of your question. 

 

Bobby: Basically, you stated that the point that we are at now with climate change has pushed us forward by about 1000 years.  Why would the climate be where we are now 1000 years from now? 

 

Bobby: Was there something out that far into our future that was waiting to likely happen? 

 

MEntity: We understand now. 

 

MEntity: What we speak of is the natural evolution and shifts of climate across a planet due to changes in rotation, radiation, atmosphere, geological changes, etc. This has happened many times over so that what you recognize as distinct climate zones now were far from similar to that eons ago. 

 

MEntity: Pollution has accelerated these shifts. 

 

MEntity: However, we wish to clarify that we do not mean that this acceleration is like a faster move from point A to point Z. 

 

MEntity: This acceleration injects greater variables so that the line between A and Z is more chaotic and less accommodating to adaptability. 

 

MEntity: There was no distinct event in that future to shift the climate, but the climate as it is shifting now would have come gradually over approximately 1000 years, giving life more time for adaptability. 

 

MEntity: Does this answer your question? 

 

Bobby: Yes, thank you!

 

MEntity: Good evening to all of you, to each of you. Goodbye, for now. 

[Heidi 7,951]

57 minutes ago, Bobby said:

MEntity: There does come a time when the blurring between Connor and Essence will be so "blurry" that there is no interest in sustaining that differentiation. 

 

Another gem, here. This helps explain even more the conundrum some of seem to have with "When do Personality and Essence merge on the astral?"

 

Thanks for asking this great question, @Connor!

[Connor 8,044]

Thanks Troy.

Great questions all around.

[Heidi 7,951]

3 hours ago, Bobby said:

Ckaricai: Hi Michael, my question is about dreams. How can we tell if we are making essence contact with other people or if the people we dream about are only symbols?

 

MEntity: If there is speaking or affection. 

 

MEntity: There are other scenarios where contact may be valid, but those will vary. Speaking and affection, however, are nearly 100% specific contact. 

 

Wow. Okay, that answers a lot! Thanks, @ckaricai *checking the ol' dream journal now*

[ckaricai 6,471]

1 hour ago, Heidi said:

Wow. Okay, that answers a lot! Thanks, @ckaricai *checking the ol' dream journal now*

Thank Heidi. I've been having dreams lately that feel real so I had to wonder. I guess this would mean that whenever we have dreams about celebrities where we talk to them or dreams with people we haven't seen in a while that would mean there was essence contact. I'm wondering what the other valid scenarios are and what counts as affection. Those are questions for another day tho. 

[Maxim [memorial profile] 4,874]

Another great session!

 

This is a great reminder about lack of urgency.  Down here on earth things can seem awfully urgent.

 

5 hours ago, Bobby said:

MEntity: One of the reasons our teaching has a fairly low profile is because it is not concerned with recruitment or saving anyone. There is no urgency. We know that some of our channels and students may wish to imbue some urgency, importance, and eagerness but that is counter to our teaching. 

 

This quote from Connor's Q&A makes me think of Gurdjief's idea of self remembering which he said was the most important thing to do.  He said it wasn't just self awareness but something else that he couldn't easily explain.  Maybe this is what he was talking about... or had an inkling or was attempting to articulate.

 

5 hours ago, Bobby said:

MEntity: And so it is with Essence. It can only evolve from Essence Contact and Recognition. This is the only true form of evolution for Essence. 

 

MEntity: Essence Recognition and Contact would be similar to your remembering your vision, remembering your value, remembering your worth, remembering you. 

 

MEntity: Remembering each other.

 

 

[Maxim [memorial profile] 4,874]

I see my quote on urgency got removed.... here it is.

5 hours ago, Bobby said:

MEntity: One of the reasons our teaching has a fairly low profile is because it is not concerned with recruitment or saving anyone. There is no urgency. We know that some of our channels and students may wish to imbue some urgency, importance, and eagerness but that is counter to our teaching. 

 

As I recall Gurdjief was into urgency.

[Heidi 7,951]

@ckaricai Exactly my thoughts. Their simple answer seems to sum up a lot of questions about dreams, but you definitely opened a whole new can of worms. Can't wait to hear something more in depth about this. It just makes me think back immediately to a lot of dreams where I had impassioned conversations with people...and affection. Hmmm...

[KurtisM 15,544]

I've often talked in my dreams. Making plans, discovering mysteries, asking questions etc. But some of the most memorable dreams of mine are either where big catastrophes happen and I'm on big adventures, or there's a strangely deep attraction and affection built with another in the dream. 

I wish I could ask about them. Does anyone here have any theories as to why I dream about more out-of-the world adventures and stories and catastrophes? I haven't ever had many "normal" dreams.

[Guest Matt]

Thank you Mizzle for asking about Vaccinations.  This is a topic close to my heart, since i believe vaccine damage is the most likely explanation for my son's issues.  

My theory on how to handle vaccines is the following:  The closer to 3 years of age you can wait before you vaccine the better, so you give the blood brain barrier a chance to mature.  It takes until about 3 years of age to do so.  Plus does a baby that sits in a crib all day really need a hepatitis vaccine 20 minutes after their born. Second, never more than 1 vaccine in a day.  They give multiple vaccines in a day, way to much and it overloads the immune system.  Also, never give tylenol with a vaccine, that is maybee the worst thing you can do.  Tylenol depletes the bodies glutathione which is the bodies main antioxidant which is protecting the body from vaccine damage,  way to many Dr's are oblivious to this, and that isn't even disputed, it's all over the medical journals that tylenol does this.  Lastly,  i am not for vaccines for illnesses that aren't that bad to begin with. Is a chicken pox vaccine really necessary, HPV vaccine makes me want to go insane thinking of giving an 11 year old kid a vaccine for sexually transmitted disease.  

Edited August 10, 2016 by Matt

[Dawn 3,314]

These are all great questions! It never occurred to me that students gathering together would benefit Michael as a teacher, but it does make a lot of sense. @ckaricai your dream question has we wanting to dig further too. Also made me realize I haven't remembered any dreams for 3 or 4 weeks now. ?

[Heidi 7,951]

@Matt I had no idea about avoiding Tylenol with vaccines. I'm sure I've done this, or at least baby Motrin. Will make sure not to in the future!

[Juni 8,585]

Having caught the chicken pox at the age of 20, I would have really appreciated having a vaccine. I was extremely ill and incapacitated for about a month, and I ended up with a nasty secondary ear infection that I suspect damaged my hearing. It was so painful that anyone speaking above a whisper hurt my ears, and no painkillers really worked to mitigate it or help me sleep so I could heal.  I had very low energy and was sluggish and unable to do much for months afterward. It's not no big deal. Chicken pox can kill. A vaccine would have prevented months of extreme suffering for me.

[Guest Matt]

On August 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Heidi said:

@Matt I had no idea about avoiding Tylenol with vaccines. I'm sure I've done this, or at least baby Motrin. Will make sure not to in the future!

Motrin is ok, that is ibuprofen, it's probably best not to give anything, but if you have to motrin is way better than tylenol. I think probably the best thing, is to eat food filled with antioxidants before and after, like a big bowl of fruit and vegetables the day your getting a vaccine.  Strengthen the bodies natural defenses. a good way to boost glutathione is to eat sulfur foods like broccoli, garlic, brussell sprouts.  

Edited August 10, 2016 by Matt

[Guest Matt]

getting Chicken pox as an adult can be bad, but not as bad when your a child.  I know parents personally who took their kids to get measles shots and they stopped talking and regressed into autism.  There is a whole court set up in the United states for Vaccine damages. It's all a gamble, and i have nothing against anyone wanting to get vaccines as long as they don't force me to get them.  All these health worries really suck, but all i can say is from my own experience, it's a lifetime mistake for some people who do have a reaction, and thats the part that sucks so bad.  In rare cases chicken pox can be very bad and even kill a very rare few cases every year, but thats the gamble part, hindsight is always 20/20 and if you actually get something bad then of course you wish you would have gotten vaccinated.  How many people have been damaged by chickenpox vaccines versus how many die from the disease every year, i don't know the answer, but none of this is black and white, there is a huge gray area.  

Edited August 8, 2016 by Matt

[Janet 18,566]

I asked a question similar to Nan's following the 2013 Gathering. It's in a blog called Essence Contact and Recognition and Manifesting Soul Age but I'll add the relevant content here for comparison. It was a very similar response.

 

Janet: I am interested in your comments about the gathering of Michael students in Virginia that recently concluded. I think most of us were delighted with the experience and I’m curious as to how you regard the intent and the results of this type of gathering. 

 

MEntity:

Our experience of events such as this is limited to what is made available to us by our channels and students. We do not often have any direct experience of the Physical Plane, and even when we do, it is by proxy of channel or student and how he or she is experiencing it. 

 

Nearly everything we gather about the Physical Plane at this point is relative to our own past, or the constant updates from our thousands of extant students and channels, and the Akashic Records. The proxy method is high when fragments gather for the intent of working with us, so we are able to "piggy-back" on many of our students and channels during those times, if that student or channel allows for it.

 

What we gain from these gatherings is a profoundly helpful assessment of where our students are in applying our teaching, understanding it, and evolving it. This is not for the point of grading, of course, but for the point of calibrating where we are with what we share.

 

We are able to see where our students are in terms of healing, when we can see how freely one might drop the Chief Feature when in an environment deemed "safe," and whether that same effort is then carried forth into more challenging environments.

 

Essence Contact and Recognition are high in these gatherings, and this is perceived by us in ways that are like synapses among students that propel and revitalize.

 

The comparison to synapses, particularly of electrical synapses, is quite literal.

 

All of this helps us to bring more relevance to what we may share, and how we share it.

[Sarah 1,089]

I had no idea Michael was pro-vax... and, to be honest, this really concerns me, as they sound like they've bought into the industry line.

 

Aluminum, mercury, and animal/human DNA aside, the question that needs to be asked is one that Matt alluded to. Just because some vaccines have some effectiveness doesn't mean that they should necessarily be given. The problem with some is that they prevent people from getting childhood diseases as children... and then they might get those diseases as an adult when they're more severe. And if a mother's never had those diseases, she can't pass on maternal antibodies to her baby through breastmilk, meaning the baby is at risk until they're old enough to get the shots (leaving them more vulnerable at the worst time). It's a vicious cycle we've gotten ourselves into, and for no good reason. Deaths from these diseases were already declining before the vaccines were introduced due to better sanitation practices and nutrition. Some doctors didn't even see the point of a measles vaccine when it first came out! Then there are some of the new studies coming out that suggest having some of these diseases (like chickenpox, measles, and mumps) as children can actually lower your risk for certain cancers later in life. Quite frankly, I'm pissed off that that was taken away from me.

 

So we've traded a few weeks of misery as children, bypassing important training for our immune systems, and actually made the whole disease problem worse by shifting the age at which people usually get these diseases to more dangerous times with vaccine "immunity" that wears off.

 

And don't even get me started on vaccine shedding...

 

As far as I know, there's no way to make a safe vaccine. Those disgusting ingredients are in there to be used as a growth medium for viruses or bacteria (that's where the human or animal DNA comes from) or to provoke an immune reaction (that's the aluminum) or to preserve the solution (that's the mercury). There's also no incentive to produce a safe vaccine, as the manufacturers have no liability. Maybe these ingredients are cheap. Maybe they're the only ones that produce the desired response. I don't know. But they don't have any place being injected into a human body.

 

This is a hot-button issue for me. The MMR fucked up my gut at age one, and I've been dealing with the fallout ever since. (Your gut affects EVERYTHING.) I've even had a stern talking-to with my Essence, as I don't want any other poor Personalities do any more lives where they end up vaccine-damaged and struggling, forced to abandon whatever they had planned because everything's gone down the crapper. Until people smarten up and get over this obsession with vaccines, I don't want my Essence coming back. Vaccination is an outdated and dangerous idea, and the sooner we learn that, the better off our species will be.

[Guest Matt]

i so agree with everything you said Sarah.  I disagree with Michael's minimization of vaccine risks.  This makes me have to remember that Michael is not all knowing, and i know they would never claim to be.   People also have to remember the amount of vaccines most of us received as children are nothing compared to the amount they get now. Like i said before though, i don't care if you want to get vaccinated as long as you don't make me get them.  We live in a much more toxic world today than we used to, so adding another toxic insult like vaccines is maybee just too much considering how many other toxins humans of today are dealing with.  It's all accumulation of  our toxic world.

 

Edited August 10, 2016 by Matt

[Jana 1,719]

Michael isn’t pro-vax or bought into industry line. But I do agree that they underplay the risks. I think we should avoid labelling anyone pro-vax or anti-vax though because it’s a objectification (simplifying someone so that we can handle them easier). No sensible person who gave the subject any thought can say 100% yey or nay - for 100% of cases.

 

Their statement “Until vaccines can move away from the use of formaldehydes, aluminium, and animal products, they will always pose risk factors. “ is consistent with my understanding after an extensive study of the subject. So are the risks they list. It is also true that majority of vaccinated people will not be disabled or seriously damaged. Subtle damage may be more wide spread and difficult to conclusively link to any one cause, and the cause might not be singular but cumulative. And while the seriously damaged percentage is not by far in majority, it is too high.

 

One has to look at risk vs potential benefit ratio. And this will differ vastly between various vaccines. So many books and articles have been written about this - no-one can give a sensible answer in such a small amount of space. Anyone who wants to seriously inform themselves about this should read them. And once one decides to get a particular vaccine, they should get it at an optimal time and optimal form - not necessarily what the vaccination calendar says, and not necessary the same vaccine as is freely available. The calendars are made by non-medical people and is more a matter of convenience and the vaccines might include antigens against which you don't wish to vaccinate.

 

And finally if you personally or someone near you have been one of the unlucky ones, I totally understand you don’t give a toss about statements like “Risk is a part of the gamble of living”.

 

Edited August 10, 2016 by Jana

[Troy 20,645]

I never got the impression Michael was "pro-vaccinations" or "anti-vaccinations." They tend to walk that fine line on a lot of topics we feel passionate about. There have been many private sessions where they cover a whole range of perspectives on the topic, but this session hosted only one angle on the topic. One thing I've learned from Michael about many many topics that are sensitive to us is that they have a way to cut through the speculation and bullshit. I love them for that, even if I often disagree with them.  

 

FULL DISCLOSURE: I have my own theoretical anti-vaccinations stance because I know several Michael Students who raised their kids with no or minimal vaccinations and they have had no issues, and I don't quite understand how they work, and I don't see any evidence that they were really of any significance in reducing illnesses in history (all historical scenarios cited had the illnesses already in decline before vaccinations were administered). I say that my stance is theoretical because I don't have children and I was vaccinated as a child and I still concede to the pressures of vaccinations. I have no *real* reason to be against them other than speculation and my own range of understanding, but one thing I *do* know is that I don't really know shit about any of it. I just have my theoretical position because of my own speculation, intuition, and experience, but nothing substantial to back that up. 

 

This is an important example of how we have had to learn to channel Michael without our own biases coloring the channeling. And ohhhh the biases I have. LOL Michael's teaching would be very different if my biases were considered. Whoosh. As many of you know, I am a bit more volatile and confrontational and opinionated. Just sayin.

 

Something I've noticed in regard to vaccines is that there is as much speculation and unfounded fears over vaccinations as there is blind faith and unquestioned defense of them. But the truth is probably somewhere between that where science and history and substance do show both the benefits and dangers of them. I know that's where Michael is coming from in this question for them about the dangers and benefits. I think it's just a fact that *most* people have no adverse effects from them, and it's just a fact that *most* of civilization is probably benefited by them in ways we can't even fathom, so Michael speaks to that, but they also speak to the reality of the dangers and risks for many who *will* have adverse reactions to them. Even if only 1% or .5% or .25% or even .01% of the population have an adverse effect, that's still a lot of people, so it's not a factor that can be dismissed. To be fair, most of those adverse effects are speculative and we don't really have any substantial science to link them. I know this because my own bias keeps me interested in finding data to defend my theoretical stance, but it's just not there (yet?)

 

I see Michael's response being only what it always is: a balanced and practical and insightful perspective that rises above the usual prejudices and projections that we get so attached to while incarnating.

[Jana 1,719]

One thing that has changed a lot over the recent years is the number of vaccines children get. There is a vast difference between what vaccines I got as a kid vs what children get today. Some of the most controversial vaccines are the very new ones, such as HPV that have been around only for a few years. And the amount of jabs that babies get has increased dramatically.

 

And it would be very naive not to acknowledge that it's a business and as such there is profit concern and as such some stuff that is happening is motivated by it.

 

What is most problematic is that risks are seriously underplayed by official sources and unless parents are aware and questioning enough to find their own information, they are typically blindly trusting these and sometimes this leads to personal tragedies. But most people want it this way. They want to be served information pre-digested, simplified, and black and white.

Edited August 10, 2016 by Jana

[Lori Abrams 493]

On ‎8‎/‎8‎/‎2016 at 2:59 PM, Juni said:

Having caught the chicken pox at the age of 20, I would have really appreciated having a vaccine. I was extremely ill and incapacitated for about a month, and I ended up with a nasty secondary ear infection that I suspect damaged my hearing. It was so painful that anyone speaking above a whisper hurt my ears, and no painkillers really worked to mitigate it or help me sleep so I could heal.  I had very low energy and was sluggish and unable to do much for months afterward. It's not no big deal. Chicken pox can kill. A vaccine would have prevented months of extreme suffering for me.

 

We didn't have a vaccine for chicken pox growing up, but it was highly recommended among mothers, to have their child exposed to it from another while young.  I'm wondering if back in the day, when we gathered in small communities, they knew that getting it as an adult was not favorable?  And everyone reacts differently to these "childhood" illnesses too.  I had an average of 4 pox on my body.  My brother caught it from me, and he was bedridden with pox all over his body.  My husband never got them either, as a child, but caught the virus from a child at a baseball gathering.  He was a mess, also.  Poor thing, he came down with shingles a year later too.  He was in the Navy at the time so, 800 mg of motrin was the norm for everything.  Although, they gave him something where he never experienced any itching as they healed.  He had them EVERYWHERE. 

 

 

[Guest Matt]

I truly believe that they have the science that shows how dangerous they can be. Check out videos of Dr Suzanne Humphries who explains this issue so well, or Judy Mikovitis. Check out movie Vaxxed for a real eye opener. People are living longer but were way more sickly then ever, hospitals are booming. One thing i am certain of, vaccinating a baby that was born 20 minutes ago is freakin wrong. I basically believe most family Drs are oblivious and i dont have much respect for them. Big medicine drones. The Drs who truly want to heal and help people are special, they are out there, but you have to look hard. I know 2 Drs like this personally who live for healing people, and surprise surprise both are against vaccines unless your immune compromised or elderly. 

 

 

 

 

[Lori Abrams 493]

39 minutes ago, Jana said:

One thing that has changed a lot over the recent years is the number of vaccines children get. There is a vast difference between what I got as vaccines as a kid vs what children get today. Some of the most controversial vaccines are the very new ones, such as HPV that have been around only for a few years. And the amount that babies get has increased dramatically.

 

And it would be very naive not to acknowledge that it's a business and as such there is profit concern and as such some stuff that is happening is not motivated by it.

 

 

I agree about the many more vaccines being introduced to growing babies these days.  I was at the delivery of my grandson, when minutes after he was born, they informed my son about the HPV vaccine they were going to administer.  I was shocked!  What, an std vaccine for newly born baby.  (Luckily I knew what it was from being formerly in the health profession.) I told my son, NO.  (he had to sign a waiver form because of it). He could always discuss with the baby's doctor at his first few appointments.  It would also give them time to look it up, for themselves.  Also, young adults have groups and blogs where they can talk with other parents about this, and have found lists of pediatricians that do give out single doses, (many do not).    I do the same for my animals' vaccines. I do not have them get the mega dose shots.  Yes, that means more paid appointments, I am told.  Not a problem.    So much confusing information, and some downright theft in the medical establishment, that you practically have to be your own physicians' assistant.  :-/

 

I just want to mention that a group of nurses from a few large hospitals near my area,last year, got together as a group to refuse the mandatory flu shot the hospital says they have to have.  When nurses balk, you better pay attention.   

[Jana 1,719]

3 minutes ago, Lori Abrams said:

I was at the delivery of my grandson, when minutes after he was born, they informed my son about the HPV vaccine they were going to administer.  I was shocked!  What, an std vaccine for newly born baby.  (Luckily I knew what it was from being formerly in the health profession.) I told my son, NO.  (he had to sign a waiver form because of it).

That's crazy and good for your grandson that you were informed. How many babies got it because their parents were not and scare tactics and pressure was applied?